how bout i tell you all the truth! sorry..... failure is immenant

Fucky McFuckerson · Mar 19, 2007

joogrnot70 said:

LOL!Yeah, im sure all them South cats wanna take a step DOWN from their sold out shows in big arenas, continuous spins on MTV, BET, and every major radio station in the country, and fat houses and nice whips....JUST so they can be where the Bay is RIGHT NOW.

BTW-Where is the Bay right now?

Listen to what Dutch is saying.

Doc Truth said:

Did you say that Snoop and Dre "can actually rap"???Oh my good LORD please tell me you were drunk and high when you had this thought. Even Game isnt all that great.

You are HALF right. You wanna get famous? Just have a nice beat that gets played in the club...it has ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with having "tight lyrics".

How many "tight lyrics" do you hear on your nationwide top 40 radio station? Exactly. Everyone wants to down on the South for having shitty lyrics, yet they the ones makin bank.

Ask Mike Jones how his bank account looks...im sure he is doing just fine.

doodiejones · Mar 19, 2007

Jesse fuckin' Rice said:

WHO??? LOL

john_jay · Mar 19, 2007

Ya'll suffer from low self esteam....If you don't wan't to sell albums then stop makin' music.....Just because you don't see cats on BET don't mean they ain't doin' it...Why every couple of days someone comes up with a depressing thread about how The Area ain't gonna be this and that...Ya'll need to talk to a psychologist and work your issues out and get ya self-esteam game up cause ya'll sound like some suckas...

PsyDaL · Mar 19, 2007

Great read Dutch. I'm glad you take the time to put things into real prospective to the adults on this board. Some of these lil kids without parental guidence dont know how to act and react when grown folks are sitting around the table talking about grown folks issues.

Children this is a discussion on geography and economics at its finest. If you suffer poorly at paying attention this is not for you!!! If you are in school and you are familiar what the subjects are then this is very useful information so soak game so to speak.

I heard dutch got punked by aston kutcher, but thats for another thread....

Solitary 1 · Mar 19, 2007

DUTCH-F.E said:

here we go. dont know how to tell you this, but this is why the bay area is the hardest place to blow up.

1. if you get in your car, and drive for 6 hours you can be in l.a. or just about 3-4 hours shy of portland. you can be half way to vegas "a tourist town" not really built for selling records, but a great place to visit, or reno (see vegas on a mini level). if you live in philly, jersey, new york, atlanta, nashville, houston, new orleans, kansas city or any other decent sized market, and get in your car and drive 6-8 hours in any direction you will touch 3-6 states. they say you can go new york to florida in 10-15 hours. SO BASICLY THE WHOLE EASTERN SEA BOARD! california alone is a 10-12 drive and you only have 2 major markets. i mean fresno and bakersfeild are cool for small indie grind, but no real numbers can come from there. so even l.a. has pheonix, tucson and all of new mexico being shared with texas. all within that days drive. THIS PROOVES THE FACT THAT THE REST OF THE MSUIC BUSINESS LOOKS AT US AS REGIONAL BECAUSE WE ARE BASICLY ON OUR OWN ISLAND. WE HAVE BASICLY GEOGRAOHICLY PLACED OURSELVES AS FAR FROM NEW YORK, OOOPS, I MEAN SUCCESS IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE! CONGRADULATIONS WE HAVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY THEY STEAL FROM US AND NEVER GIVE BACK. THEY DONT HAVE TOO! WE ARE IRRELEVANT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i love this. why im not sure, but fuck it i love it anyways!

you pile indie label on top of indie label, broke as fuck with no real hit making capablity right here in the bay and you get what we (bay area labels and rappers) are. a bunch of copy cat, broke, shadows of our old self. with no selling power. it now boils down to what street cred? hahahahahahahahah that and .50 cents will get you a cup of coffee at def jam, universal and or interscope. oh and it will also get you anywhere from probation to life in prison! so have at it! we have 3-5 bonified clicks in the bay area who are finacially successfull on even the smallest scale. smallest scale being 3-4 releases a year which sale 10-20,000 units a peice. (not including E-40 and Too-SHort) and i guess you can throw Baby Bash in that too) cause the days of any rapper NOT just bay rappers selling 100,000 indie ARE OVER! THEY WILL NOT BE BACK. SORRY.

i hate typing, but ill be back with more reasons. trust me i have about 30 as to why failure may be the only option! hahahahahahahahaha

let the hate begin you fuckers dont scare me!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahah

BEST BART POST IN A MINUTE.

WHAT UP DUTCH

jotti · Mar 19, 2007

i think a good amount of people think bay area cats are too arrogant for their own good, this can affect their opinion in our music and artist.

Gemini · Mar 19, 2007

DUTCH-F.E said:

LOL!!!!

C'mon guy's just a few more pages...LOL!!!!

C.M.P CEO · Mar 19, 2007

awolf said:

the main site for the book is located at www.musicpowers.com
as far as comparing the book side by side with the book Jt The Bigga Figga wrote on the music industry,i cannot compare because i have not read his publication. however with music powers what seperates the book from the countless other "how to" resource guides that its dialog is not complex and it is easier to read,it was written primarly for upincoming artist/producers and writers who have more talent then money. the book is not primarily aimed at the pop and rock culture like the other books out on the market. i have spent alot of money on music industry books,and it seemed to me that it wasnt really cattered for the artist in true need,it seemed to always refer to those trying to pursue the pop genre.

Music powers intoduces exlcusive interviews and advice from some of the biggest artist/producers and executives in todays rap and rnb industry.

Personal Managers, Top Music Attorneys / Best Entertainmant Lawyers, Top Radio DJs, Artists, Music Publishers, Top Hip Hop Record Label A&R - CEOs, Music Consultants, Retailers, Top Mix Engineers and Vocalists.

Emperor Searcy - BME
"Multi-Platinum Producer & Remixer, On-Air Radio Personality for Hot 107.9 & Radio One, Credits: Ginuwine, Lil’ Jon & The Eastside Boyz, Trillville, Lil' Scrappy,YoungBloodz, 112"

D-Roc & Kaine / Ying Yang Twins
"Recording Artists (TVT Records), Songwriters (EMI Publishing)"

Harry Lyles - President of Lyles Media Group.
"The Lyles Media Group creates customized programming, marketing and sales for leading broadcast groups, radio networks and Internet media companies across the U.S. and Canada."

Big Oomp Camp
"Multi-Platinum Production Co., Record Label, UPN TV, Record Store Retailer w/ 7 stores in Atlanta, GA.

Credits: Sammy Sam, Baby D, Intoxicated, Loko"
Productions

Don Perry - Greenberg Traurig Consulting -
"Professional Consultant for Corporate Entertainment , Sponsorship & Artist Management"

William R. Morrow / 'Mr.Ball"
"WRM Productions, Inc. / Artist Development / Recording Studio

Credits: D-Roc & Kaine , Mr Ball"

DJ Toomp
"Grammy Winning- Multi-Platinum Producer, Songwriter-

Credits: T.I., Ludacris, Lil Jon, Young Jeezy"

Manuel Seal, Jr.
"Grammy Winning - Multi-Platinum -Award Winning Producer-Songwriter-Artist. Credits: Mariah Carey, Usher, Alicia Keys, Destiney's Child, Jagged Edge,Gerald Levert, Johnny Gill."

Mr. Collipark
"Grammy Nominated - Multi-Platinum Producer, Songwriter, CEO

Credits: Ying Yang Twins, Lil Jon, David Banner, Young Jeezy, Twista, Jamie Foxx"

Alvin Speights
"2X - Grammy Award Winning Mix Engineer, Multi-Platinum Producer, Songwriter, Musician

Credits: India.Arie, Outkast, TLC, Arrested Development, JT Money, Boyz II Men

Dina Andrews Management
Personal Management, CEO, Indie Label

"Andrews took on the responsibility of Personal Manager and built the foundation of Flyte Tyme Productions-now a multi-million dollar business for the song writing/producing duo known as Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis."

Debra Killings
"Grammy Nominated - Recording Artists, Vocalist, Multi-Platinum Producer, Songwriter, Musician - Credits: Jay-Z, Outkast, Da Brat, Tamia, Monica, Toni Braxton, TLC, Dallas Austin."

Ricco Lumpkins
"Grammy Nominated - Multi-Platinum Producer, Engineer, Songwriter

Credits: TLC, 3LW, JT Money, Monica, Lauryn Hill, Outkast, Mya"

Cirocco (author of the book)
"Multi-Platinum Producer, Engineer, Composer, CEO. Music Credits: Johnny Gill, BET-Viacom, Michael Jackson, Motown, TLC, Quincy Jones, Artisan Pictures, PepsiCo, GM, Sega Corp."

Future of Music Coalition
"The Future of Music Coalition is a not-for-profit collaboration between members of the music, technology, public policy and intellectual property law communities."

Joel Katz - Greenberg Traurig
"Entertainment Attorney Representing more than 50 Artists and many of the World’s Best-Known Producers, Record Labels and Fortune 500 companies."

Vincent P. Phillips, Esq. BME Entertainment Attorney - CEO of BME,
"clients include: Lil’ Jon & The Eastside Boys, Youngbloodz, Lil Scrappy, Trillville, Pastor Troy, KP & Enyvi & Bone Crusher."

Jim Zumpano / ZAC - Stonehenge Recording

"World-Class Audio Engineer and Owner of one of the finest recording / mix facilities in the United States. "

Raaqim Knight, Esq.

"Entertainment Attorney - Intellectual property, Entertainment and Internet-related litigation."

the list just goes on. not only this but u get a huge contact list which is btw up todate..publishing and distrubution companys.major radio stations.major record companies.production companies.major producers.entertainment attorneys.managers. the list is huge....

the bok is highly affordable and is well worth the money....

it has been titled the bible of the music industry

THACRITIC408 · Mar 19, 2007

@ AWOLF
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK..SHIT IS REAL...

@DUTCH
I FEEL YOU 100%....DAMN SHAME THE WAY THE GAME IS ........BUT ITS REAL

C.M.P CEO · Mar 19, 2007

yes thats the same dj toomp who yal all saw with quinn in the youtube video....the number 1 company. whom im proud to say im involved with.alot of these people can be reached by emails...the bay is not dead,if iam able to make connections like this,then any of you should be able to do the same and more......i work for them to help push a great cause.its not about the money for me - thats not why i took part of this project,i did because i have gained so much knowledge from the man himself and the boo that i had to get it out here in the bay area for all the indie artist and producers and what have you....

they are willing to come out here and do summits/seminars and book signings, ive asked them plenty of times. if the bya area accepts this book out here they will have no problem doing seminars out here and bringing with them some of the highly successful people in the industry today. like i said....invest in your future,but more importantlyy invest in your self

C.M.P CEO · Mar 19, 2007

all it is really out here is corrupted mindsets...dont give up,follow yal heart the music industry has not went down it is highly sucessful,who ever told yal otherwise is lying.point blank - no pun intended

C.M.P CEO · Mar 19, 2007

and for those that love statistics and facts read this (direct quote from article)

The business (music) has earned more new revenue between 2004-2006 than ever before. The RIAA has called the file sharing of music "a public raping." They claim that piracy has cut sales by almost 30% over the last few years,and yes,any fool can see that file sharing has affected the business.But has it been in a negative way? Has it really cost the labels "Big Money" and is the business really suffering because of it?

No quite the opposite. I'll Tell you a secret: Revenue is not really down at all.. In 2005, album sales were 618 million units.In 2006 tey dropped to 588 million. a 5% drop. not 30%. not even 10%. Extremely negligible, and better than industries (like computer and automobiles) that have experienced bigger reductions in gross revenue. Okay. I hear you out there reading this. You're saying "But 5% a year adds up. doesnt that mean they've lost money and isnt that a bad thing?" No, because that 5% is more than made up for. the Warner music group said in their annual repot that recorded music sales for the fiscal year 2006 rose almost 3%, to 3$billion,and that digital revenue had more than offset the drop from cds

quote takin from EQ mag.....

there is alot more to it

C.M.P CEO · Mar 19, 2007

it goes on to talk abut how the RIAA doesnt include cd sales of indie artist, but only a decline in sales of titles on major labels. or the sales of paid downloads from itunes or yahoo emusic and many others or licensing fees for getting a hit song on a soundtrack....

it gets deep,

and whats more is that alot of this information is avaible to the public,but it takes effort from people like music powers and others to combined it all and package it up so u wont have to spend countless hours researching...

C.M.P CEO · Mar 19, 2007

i dont have all the answers but i do read alot,and i feel that i can in some ways help but i dont think their is a hugeeeee epidemic in any of this...to an extent,depending on how far you are willing to go

Sav Scorcese · Mar 19, 2007

DUTCH-F.E said:

I used to, why you wanna battle ?

I've been through the whole rap life thing already. I'm focusing on my family these days. I'm going to hold you to that birthday invite.

threefoe · Mar 20, 2007

DUTCH-F.E said:

here we go. dont know how to tell you this, but this is why the bay area is the hardest place to blow up.

1. if you get in your car, and drive for 6 hours you can be in l.a. or just about 3-4 hours shy of portland. you can be half way to vegas "a tourist town" not really built for selling records, but a great place to visit, or reno (see vegas on a mini level). if you live in philly, jersey, new york, atlanta, nashville, houston, new orleans, kansas city or any other decent sized market, and get in your car and drive 6-8 hours in any direction you will touch 3-6 states. they say you can go new york to florida in 10-15 hours. SO BASICLY THE WHOLE EASTERN SEA BOARD! california alone is a 10-12 drive and you only have 2 major markets. i mean fresno and bakersfeild are cool for small indie grind, but no real numbers can come from there. so even l.a. has pheonix, tucson and all of new mexico being shared with texas. all within that days drive. THIS PROOVES THE FACT THAT THE REST OF THE MSUIC BUSINESS LOOKS AT US AS REGIONAL BECAUSE WE ARE BASICLY ON OUR OWN ISLAND. WE HAVE BASICLY GEOGRAOHICLY PLACED OURSELVES AS FAR FROM NEW YORK, OOOPS, I MEAN SUCCESS IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE! CONGRADULATIONS WE HAVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY THEY STEAL FROM US AND NEVER GIVE BACK. THEY DONT HAVE TOO! WE ARE IRRELEVANT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i love this. why im not sure, but fuck it i love it anyways!

you pile indie label on top of indie label, broke as fuck with no real hit making capablity right here in the bay and you get what we (bay area labels and rappers) are. a bunch of copy cat, broke, shadows of our old self. with no selling power. it now boils down to what street cred? hahahahahahahahah that and .50 cents will get you a cup of coffee at def jam, universal and or interscope. oh and it will also get you anywhere from probation to life in prison! so have at it! we have 3-5 bonified clicks in the bay area who are finacially successfull on even the smallest scale. smallest scale being 3-4 releases a year which sale 10-20,000 units a peice. (not including E-40 and Too-SHort) and i guess you can throw Baby Bash in that too) cause the days of any rapper NOT just bay rappers selling 100,000 indie ARE OVER! THEY WILL NOT BE BACK. SORRY.

i hate typing, but ill be back with more reasons. trust me i have about 30 as to why failure may be the only option! hahahahahahahahaha

let the hate begin you fuckers dont scare me!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahah

None of this means anything. The Bay Area is the 4th largest music consuming market in the country and thats a fact. Good music is what sells. All that other bullshit is errelevant. And this is comin from somebody in the industry at a major label (warner bros) not no hear say like 99% of the bullshit that is posted on here.

DUTCH-F.E · Mar 20, 2007

mr warner bros. im speaking on an indie level. your major label associates may not think we are in a situation, but maybe you need a road map as well!

good music and great business, lead to the majors. but you still need a a freeway or an airplane to get to the meetings!

check mate! hahahahha

Mr. Illmannered · Mar 20, 2007

^^what happened to you tonight hoss??? get at me, i'm voyaging around the greater bay area tomorrow, let's gab via the use of cellular devices.

ValleyPainProduct · Mar 20, 2007

then do what yukmouth did and move to LA.....you makin enough rap money payin taxes on it and all.....move somewhere where you can walk to the meettings......

ValleyPainProduct · Mar 20, 2007

and CMP ill buy the book when you can name ONE rap start or producer or anyone makin good money in music that got thier career from a book.....

fact of the matter is there is no recipe....guideline.....book....or instruction on how to be successfull.....it jus happens when its meant to be and the person really wants it......

how bout i tell you all the truth! sorry..... failure is immenant

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