how bout i tell you all the truth! sorry..... failure is immenant

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LA is in a better location than us obviously and is better known then Nor Cal....when i lived in Tucson everyone thought i was from LA.....when one of my homies would introduce me he be like "this my boy from LA..." and id have to correct him everytime and say "no im from Northern Cali"....and he would jus say "whatever its the same shit".....cuz they jus dont know about us plain n simple.....
 
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us being 3rd in money as a country is due to silicon vally. and id say 5% of the whole silicon vally listens to rap and thats a high estimate. so next theory!!!!!! i love this game!!!!!

its kinda like lets fix the bay reality show!!!!!!!!
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
here we go. dont know how to tell you this, but this is why the bay area is the hardest place to blow up.

1. if you get in your car, and drive for 6 hours you can be in l.a. or just about 3-4 hours shy of portland. you can be half way to vegas "a tourist town" not really built for selling records, but a great place to visit, or reno (see vegas on a mini level). if you live in philly, jersey, new york, atlanta, nashville, houston, new orleans, kansas city or any other decent sized market, and get in your car and drive 6-8 hours in any direction you will touch 3-6 states. they say you can go new york to florida in 10-15 hours. SO BASICLY THE WHOLE EASTERN SEA BOARD! california alone is a 10-12 drive and you only have 2 major markets. i mean fresno and bakersfeild are cool for small indie grind, but no real numbers can come from there. so even l.a. has pheonix, tucson and all of new mexico being shared with texas. all within that days drive. THIS PROOVES THE FACT THAT THE REST OF THE MSUIC BUSINESS LOOKS AT US AS REGIONAL BECAUSE WE ARE BASICLY ON OUR OWN ISLAND. WE HAVE BASICLY GEOGRAOHICLY PLACED OURSELVES AS FAR FROM NEW YORK, OOOPS, I MEAN SUCCESS IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE! CONGRADULATIONS WE HAVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY THEY STEAL FROM US AND NEVER GIVE BACK. THEY DONT HAVE TOO! WE ARE IRRELEVANT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i love this. why im not sure, but fuck it i love it anyways!

you pile indie label on top of indie label, broke as fuck with no real hit making capablity right here in the bay and you get what we (bay area labels and rappers) are. a bunch of copy cat, broke, shadows of our old self. with no selling power. it now boils down to what street cred? hahahahahahahahah that and .50 cents will get you a cup of coffee at def jam, universal and or interscope. oh and it will also get you anywhere from probation to life in prison! so have at it! we have 3-5 bonified clicks in the bay area who are finacially successfull on even the smallest scale. smallest scale being 3-4 releases a year which sale 10-20,000 units a peice. (not including E-40 and Too-SHort) and i guess you can throw Baby Bash in that too) cause the days of any rapper NOT just bay rappers selling 100,000 indie ARE OVER! THEY WILL NOT BE BACK. SORRY.


i hate typing, but ill be back with more reasons. trust me i have about 30 as to why failure may be the only option! hahahahahahahahaha

let the hate begin you fuckers dont scare me!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahah
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Interesting perspective.

Just one of the many elements and variables that go into making a business successful that most bay area "artists" aren't hip to.
 
leftcoast415

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You made some good points. But didnt Bay Area artists have a good amount of success back in the early to mid 90s? A good amount of artists went gold + (not too sure about that cuz that's before my time). Why can't something like that happen again. I've heard people say that hip hop goes in cycles, every region gets its shine for a while, then people want to hear something new, so they move on.

Bay Area artists have been making nationwide moves lately...we'll see how mistah fab, clyde carson, ya boy, and san quinn do with their next release before we can say that "failure is immenant."
 
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mistah fab, clyde, ya boy and quinn all are movers and shakers. they get out of the state and net work. you are talking about 4 rappers out of 25,000 bay indie artist. thats less than 1% that see this problem and have the ways and means to get over that hump and the results are indie success and money off rap life.

interesting to say the least......
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
mistah fab, clyde, ya boy and quinn all are movers and shakers. they get out of the state and net work. you are talking about 4 rappers out of 25,000 bay indie artist. thats less than 1% that see this problem and have the ways and means to get over that hump and the results are indie success and money off rap life.

interesting to say the least......
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What do you expect, 1,000 rappers to make it? The market is already oversaturated. Everyone can't make money off hip hop. A few make it big, a few do their thing on the local level, the rest give it a shot and if they dont have what it takes, they move on to something else.
 
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leftcoast415 said:
What do you expect, 1,000 rappers to make it? The market is already oversaturated. Everyone can't make money off hip hop. A few make it big, a few do their thing on the local level, the rest give it a shot and if they dont have what it takes, they move on to something else.
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Real Talk. How many rappers from any region actually make it????? I'm talkin moving units not just local celebrity. The real problem is no unity and over saturation of niggaz tryna push they music. Every nigga ain't goin platinum, the internet and music downloadin made sure of that
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
mistah fab, clyde, ya boy and quinn all are movers and shakers. they get out of the state and net work. you are talking about 4 rappers out of 25,000 bay indie artist. thats less than 1% that see this problem and have the ways and means to get over that hump and the results are indie success and money off rap life.

interesting to say the least......
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^ONLY THE TRUE DEDICATED TOP 1% MAKE IT FROM ANY REGION THO'... FEEL ME?

BUT STILL EVEN OUR 1% TOP DOGS ARE STILL UNDERGROUND, EVEN OUR MAJOR PLAYER IS RELETIVELY UNDERGROUND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT... E-40 ISNT KNOWN LIKE DMX OR LUDACRISS. TOO SHORT IS OUR ONLY SUPER STAR NOW AND HE'S IN HIS 40'S ONLY PUTTING OUT RECORDS FOR THE FUCK OF IT.
 
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^I DONT THINK THATS MUCH OF A FACTOR BECAUSE I ONLY BURN CD'S THAT I WOULD OF NEVER BOUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE, IN A WAY IT MIGHT HELP BECAUSE IF I NEVER HEARD YOU AND I GET A BURNED COPY OF YOUR CD THAT I WOULDNT OF BOUGHT ANYWAY AND THINK YOUR TIGHT, I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR YOUR NEXT SHIT FEEL ME?
 
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Stepping outta bounds for a minute, this is not only a Bay Area problem. A lot of Bay Area Homies come through Monterey County and rock shows / sell Cd's. Maybe not a large scale, but they are known & respected out here by many.

IMO Dutch is right and it's happening over here in Monterey County too. We sell amongst ourselves like a fuckin' circle and add the Bay Area to that and the only thing that happens is, the circle gets bigger.

Nobody really stepping outside that circle and really making a difference in sales etc etc...
 
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MY SOLUTION IS ALL THE BALLERS IN THE BAY RAP SCENE GET TOGETHER WITH SOME INVESTORS AND START A MUSIC VIDEO CHANEL ON CABLE, START OFF SMALL LIKE JUST CALI AND THEN EXPAND TO THE WHOLE WEST COAST AND SOUTH WEST AND EVENTUALLY THE SOUTH... (EAST COAST WONT LISTEN TO OUR SHIT ANYWAY SO FUCK EM).

START PLAYING ALL THE BAY VIDEOS LIKE THE ONE'S ON YOUTUBE NO MATTER IF IT ISNT BIG BUDGET OR NOT AS LONG AS THE MUSIC IS GOOD.
 
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I dont know about u Dutch but I get in my car and in 20 minutes can reach San Jose, Oakland and in 15 min I can hit Pacifica, Frisco and Hayward... I got the game sewed up homie!!! Thats massive UNITS for 07'!
 
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^I always wondered why you came so dark on your first CD when you sounded not upbeat but more "happy" (for lack of a better word) when you were on 94.9
 
ValleyPainProduct

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well i wasnt disagreein wit you anyways but youd be suprised how many yuppies liseten to rap music.....but thier more likely to purchase mainstream rap anyways.....

one thing about this thread Dutch.....your assumin people give a fucc about havin the Bay come up.......everyone is in it for themself....like you said fab and the couple rappers thas doin thangs are the exception......cuz they doin it for themself in the long run jus like you do what you do for yourself.....jus like im a do what i do for myself......everyone is thier own island.....you think when Jay Z and Dash made Roc A Fella they were thinkin about helpin New York in any way???? or the East Coast.....no they was thinkin about themself and gettin rich which is how this world works.....
 
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leftcoast415 said:
What do you expect, 1,000 rappers to make it? The market is already oversaturated. Everyone can't make money off hip hop. A few make it big, a few do their thing on the local level, the rest give it a shot and if they dont have what it takes, they move on to something else.
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exactly....

and the ones who move on from rap aint gonna give a fucc if the rest of the bay did it or not cuz they left the scene and the ones who made it could care less if the rest didnt cuz they already did......
 
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INEED$$ said:
^I always wondered why you came so dark on your first CD when you sounded not upbeat but more "happy" (for lack of a better word) when you were on 94.9
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The battles r fun and upbeat.....my life isnt always that way..The battles reflected a hungry dude out there competeing against other rappers and the actual music reflects me and what I go through...Make sense?
 
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to be honest it doesn't really bother me that the bay isn't blown up. Who cares? I support the artists and all but if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out.... there will always be tight shit coming out of the bay, and just because new york isn't feeling it doesn't mean that its not dope shit
 
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dutch is very corret about the west being on its island, there are no chances for a hit record to bleed over to a new market like in the south, i own a house in nashvile tn, atlanta is only two hours away chicago is only 6 st.louis is about five,from nashville im within a 6 hour driving radius of 50% of the population of the united states 150 million people,

some cities have it poppin some dont, look at dallas compared to houston, look at detroit.st louis new orleans compared to baton ruoge etc this game aint for everyone, and you cant base your carrier (if you have one ) on where you live

on the flip side, good music is good music and when bay artist like fab the team or anyone else get the chance to shine they gotta give theyre best effort, the bay has some very big and succesful lables fat records has nofx.they sell alot of records, sixdegreesrecords in sf drops four to five cds a month shipping over 20k per title for new releases, good music is good music you need money luck talent a solid team and the ability to adjust to market trends unless your one of what i call the (special artist) lynch,technine,nickatina these artist dont need a major lable to be succesful they sell to a hardcore following,

more later gotta go
 
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