Why Bay Rap SUCKS? The answers........

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Oct 10, 2004
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and yeah as fdar as beats i think someone said it best when they want million dollar results on a 50 cent budget thats the str8 up thruth ........
 
Aug 26, 2002
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#82
why is it when an aritist comes up on here and posts his opinion on why bay rap sucks and such, people take it as criticism or no big deal, but when a regular joe schmo comes up on here and posts the same shit he is a hater or dont know what the fuck we are talking about. we are the consumer and we know what we like. people on this board be actin all bitch made like that it fuckin disgusts me.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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TUNEZ_PWP said:
when k lou tells me to do somethin i shut the fuck up and listen and try to do it to the best of my abillity i wish more people could do the same
That's why so many peoples music turns out wack as fuck! Everyone thinks they have a golden ear and a god-given gift when realistically that couldn't be farther from the truth... But then again those cats don't have a real career either so it all works out accordingly.
 
Oct 10, 2004
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your opinion is respected but keep this in mind k lou got like 20 platinum and gold plaques
not sayin that makes him god but thats more then i got so i listen and if im not happy with it fuck it delete it and start over im not trippen alls i ment is sometimes its wise and good to try new things but at the end of the day its wether your happy with the outcome or not
 
Nov 4, 2004
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I think people should criticize albums and songs more, than praise them. People tend to say that everything they hear is tight. There are too many people overrating stuff that they hear. Not that a song or an album isn't good, it's just not as good as some people say it is.

I think it was Too Short who said that he would rather have someone who tells him that they didn't like some of his songs or beats, than someone who keeps telling him, "That's bomb!". And an artist who keeps praising himself will never reach his potential because he thinks that he's already good enough. There shouldn't be a such thing as good enough.

Look at artists like Tupac or X-Raided. Tupac's last two albums (Makaveli and All Eyez On Me) were his best work. X-Raided's Madman album showed that even after all the classics that he came out with, he still keeps getting better as a rapper. Most of their songs also have a lot of self expression about all sorts of topics, which gets a wider range of people to relate to what's being said on each track. Both of these artists had outstanding work ethic which lead them to get better after each album, and never let a half-assed product hit the shelves because they never settled for something that was just "good enough".
 
Jan 2, 2003
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#86
ive been hollerin production/beats fer awhile!!!....all of the mixtapes prove what bay artists could do with the right beats...and im feelin tre-8 on j"ust tryin to make a buck"...
 
Oct 19, 2004
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There garbage music everywhere. If you dont like Bay shit dont listen to it. fact is the bay has all the tools musically we need to blow. Its just the know how and the means in which to make it happen that we need to improve upon. So dont make a fuckin thread talkin bout Bay music sucks becuz thats simply not true. Of course not all of it good but thats the case everywhere. Why dont you post some of yo shit so we can truly see what is and isn't garbage.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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TUNEZ_PWP said:
your opinion is respected but keep this in mind k lou got like 20 platinum and gold plaques
not sayin that makes him god but thats more then i got so i listen and if im not happy with it fuck it delete it and start over im not trippen alls i ment is sometimes its wise and good to try new things but at the end of the day its wether your happy with the outcome or not
Maybe I didn't make my comment clear... Cats NEED to be shutting their mouths & start listening. You're doing the right thing! Learn everything you can!
 
Dec 3, 2004
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#92
As someone who came up in the bay and dropped my first record in the bay with Mike Mosley in 1986 when Mike was 15 or 16 years old, I feel like I can speak on this topic. As someone who moved to NYC in 1990 and has tried to bring the bay area sound with me, I feel like I can really speak on this shit even more. I remember when i was bumpin E-40's Dusted and Disgusted up in Motown's office when it first came out, I thought someone was gonna stick a shank in my neck. Here I was bumpin some serious shit and these fools thought i was a clown listenin to crap they didn't want no part of. I also tried to get some of my bay area artist played up in Tommy Boy and Def Jam too. As hard as I tried, nobody wanted to hear shit I had to say. Every time new shit from Pac,E-40, B-legt, or any other dope ass bay area artist would drop, I would try to get my homies and peers in NYC to listen to it and tell me they liked it, but that never happened. I never gave up tryin. I mean even though i came up in the bay and i was on wax before just about everyone in the bay except Too Short, I was still listenin to Biggie, Nas, Wu, Run DMC and other eastcoast rappers, why the fuck didn't eastcoast embrace us the same way, then one day i figured it out. The bay never gave a fuck about radio or eastcoast. Sure Too Short got some air play from his cuts like "Life is" and a few others did as well like Hammer, but songs like "Cuss words" and "Blow job betty" were made for us, for the bay area street cats. Yeah yeah yeah, everyone would love to have some radio play so they can move some units, but in my opinion, most bay area cats never came at it like that, JT the bigga figga, RBL, Mac Dre, Dru Down, The Mac, Ant Banks, Spice 1, the list goes on and on. These are our artists and one day that's all gonna change. E-40 was the first to really leave the nest, but soon others will follow, and pretty soon, that whole bay area underground sound will be gone forever. Me personally, I don't give a fuck anymore if NYC or LA, or Sacramento don't get us. I get us, and the rest of the bay gets us. Nobody else matters. Look at the southern movement. I been bumpin the south since geto boys and gangsta nip, but since lil jon and them blew up, pretty soon their whole sound will be a thing of the past. In my opinion, the bay area is the only tru underground rap left in the USA and I pray that nobody ever takes that away from us... So even thougha lot of the bay area shit that drops right now may be wack in some people's opinion, there are many dope ass rappers and producers still puttin it down in the bay. Look at southern Cali, they ain't really done shit since Pac passed, Dre had to import Eminem and he had to import 50 cent, but now they got the Game puttin it down and it looks like the other part of Cali is on the upswing again. The bay has cats like the Jacka and Yuck who are doin some serious spittin right about now, and i've heard a few trax from Young DRU's new record V-TOWN and i gotta say, that shit is bangin and almost all the production was done by Versatyle, who in my opinion is one of the best producers in the bay right now. The bottom line is it always stings a lil when someone knocks the bay, because i am the bay and i will always love and respect what the bay is and has always been, "STR8 STREET SHIT"
There's always gonna be bitches who dont or wont get what we doin, but like Pac always said, "We don't love them hoes"... Holla back, DJ PIMP has spoken.

I'M THE HARDEST MUTHA FUCKA EVER WALKIN THE PLANET
FIRST I SPIT ON JURMAINE THEN I HIT ON JANET... DJ PIMP
www.mikemosley.com
 
Oct 20, 2003
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#93
doesnt mean bay muzik SUX- means ppl needa be more organized and pasionette about their muzik. not just wake up one day and say they want to be a certain stero type rapper.


i see what ur sayin - but i think u kinda phrased a few thigns wrong. ppl have alot of skill ... but ppl are forgettin what muzik is all about.
 
Oct 20, 2003
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and might i add- i will NEVER THINK RBL - COUGNUT - MAC DRE- MESSY MARV- B-LEGIT- QUINN- E.C.C- DARKROOM- SPEEDY LOC- E-40- DYNO - DELL-DRE DOG- OR ANY REAL ASS RAPPERS SUCK. FUCK THAT. now thats doin to much

u gotta be from the BAY to understand and feel the BAY AREAZ muzik. i gives a fuck about weather our shit is on mtv- or be.

they bite off west coast beats all the damn tiem ne way! it's a STYLE and we happen to have a very different one :]
 
Oct 26, 2003
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Tre-8 said:
whats missing is true producers( not beat makers)....

This thread touches too many topics so I'm only going to focus on the production aspect.

This is for those people sayin bay area rap sucks because of the producers. You can't say that Rick Rock, Mike Mosely and many other established bay area producers suck. I agree with Tre-8 on the things he mentioned that make a real producers. They are talented because they not only know how to make a beat, but they can mix, they know what frequencies to boost or cut back on for every sound to make the song sound cohesive as a whole and they also know where to put changes in the beats and when a vocal would sound good compared to a rap verse etc.. That is only a small aspect of the whole process involved in making a complete track from a real producer. These guys get paid good $ for what they do because of their experience and credibility. Go and get a track from Just Blaze, Rodney Jerkins, Lil Jon, Dr Dre, Scott Storch or any other producers outside the bay and see if you can convince them to hook you up with a track for cheap. You get what you pay for.

If you want those type of results, you have to expect to pay something close to that magnitude depending on the producer's credibility and knowledge. Now, I know not everyone has the funds to pay for them type of tracks but think to yourself, why should this producer make me a track at that quality level if he can? The point is that the producer didn't just drop a gang of scratch on all his gear, etc... to just devote a lot of his time into making you a track, getting other people to play live instruments, mixing and mastering your shit to commercial quality levels for free. The producer wants something out of it too. It doesn't always have to be money, if you're independent, you might hook him up with another artist, or tell him what you have on the table for the particular song. If you're a major artist, then of course the producer will get his royalties and the credibility, which I think most up and coming producers would probably jump on that opportunity rather than receiving a few bucks for a track that might not do nothing outside of the bay. The point is the producer wants exposure like the artist and has to have some incentive to put in his 100% quality and knowledge.

I agree the producer should put in his 2 cents about what sounds good, where something should be and whether or not something is missing or off. However, sometimes you get artists who are stuck on their ways and think they know how everything should sound. So, the producer either thinks shit I'm not getting paid enough to deal with an argument over something small or the producer might think shit he paid me, so he's the boss and decides where and how he wants shit as long as the artist is happy. That's why I think the producer and artist have to have personable relationship so that they trust each other and have good honest communication.

Bottom line is cats are wanting Dr Dre quality and time, but don't expect to give anything in return. That's why you get shitty music. Not because the producer sucks, it's because either the artist sucks, the producer can't really produce a whole song outside of making a beat or he doesn't have incentive to give you all of his effort. It's a combination of the artist and producer.

This is compressed opinion on the subject.

Thanks.

Versatyle Notable Work Credits:
Celly Cel (SicWidIt Records),Yukmouth (Rap-a-lot Records), Gemini (Universal
Records), M.C. Hammer, JayTee (Universal Records), Mixt-Up, The Mossie
(Jive/Sic WidItRecords), Mr. Stres of The Federation (Virgin Records), Young
Dru, Grand Skeme (Way2vicious Productions) and Papa Quis (Way2Vicious
Productions) to name a few.
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Way2Vicious Productions
231 Marketplace #139
San Ramon, CA 94583
[email protected]
http://www.versatylebeats.com (Beats)
http://www.way2vicious.com (Label)
http://www.cdbaby.com/grandskeme (Grand Skeme)
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Mar 29, 2004
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I felt tre -8's first comment. Thats all real folks need to put more effort in there shit whether they're from the bay or not, mainstream, commercial, underground what ever. Your shit aint gonna get national attention unless you make a quality album. Originality and creativity should always be key. The Frontline did a damn good album and thats why they got national distribution deals to re release with new tracks. They dont sound like idiots people all over undertand what the fuck they are talkin about. There is a different flavor in each song and they are actually talkin about some real shit we can learn from not only in the Bay or Richmond but all over. Folks can learn from them just like they learned from the O.G's before them. Business wise and musically.
Peace P Dubbbbbbbbb
 
Apr 7, 2004
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THE BAY DON'T SUK...NIGGAS IS JUST VERY STUBBORN AND VERY COCKY AT THE SAME TIME....AND THIS WAS ALL AT THE TIME WERE CATS NEEDED TO FIRST GET THE JOB.....I MEAN IT'S SORTA LIKE NIGGAS OUT HERE ARE LIKE FUCK THE WORLD AND AT THE SAME TIME WANNA SHINE IN THIS MUSIC SHIT.....IT'S JUST SO FUCKED UP OUT HERE IT'S HARD TO SUM IT ALL UP.......MONEY DOE CASH $ IS NEEDED HERE AND NOW IT'S LIKE WOULD ANYONE EVEN WANNA INVEST ANY MONEY DOWN HERE.......ALL I KNOW IS IMA TRY TO MAKE A MARK AND CHANGE A FEW THINGS..AND THAT'S JUST MUSIC WISE IF IT HAPPENS IT DOES...BUT MY MARKETING WILL BE DONE VERY DIFFERENTLY...THAT'S KEY
 
Apr 25, 2002
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On the subject of "producers"... We've been over this subject a bunch of times so it's not really necessary for me to smash again... But I will say this...

99% of these cats calling themselves "producers" don't even know what the title means, much less are deserving of it. A real "producer" can be left in a room by himself and by the time he comes out, he's made a hit. All these other dudes simply 'make beats'.
 
Jan 20, 2004
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#99
i can feel that thats sum real shit but dont forget about those producers from back in the 90's still doin it cause it still get done but most artist just copp beats then go on from there but i c where u comin from with this playa and thats sum real shit.
 
"99% of these cats calling themselves "producers" don't even know what the title means, much less are deserving of it. A real "producer" can be left in a room by himself and by the time he comes out, he's made a hit. All these other dudes simply 'make beats'.[/QUOTE]"

I agree with you on what a real producer can do. But in order for the producer to do that, the artist has to trust the producer to do his own thing. So there has to be communication there between both of them. Otherwise, the song isn't going to be it's best because the producer can't really do his thing.

Versatyle Notable Work Credits:
Celly Cel (SicWidIt Records),Yukmouth (Rap-a-lot Records), Gemini (Universal
Records), M.C. Hammer, JayTee (Universal Records), Mixt-Up, The Mossie
(Jive/Sic WidItRecords), Mr. Stres of The Federation (Virgin Records), Young
Dru, Grand Skeme (Way2vicious Productions) and Papa Quis (Way2Vicious
Productions) to name a few.
_______________________________________________________________
Versatyle- CEO
Way2Vicious Productions
231 Marketplace #139
San Ramon, CA 94583
[email protected]
http://www.versatylebeats.com (Beats)
http://www.way2vicious.com (Label)
http://www.cdbaby.com/grandskeme (Grand Skeme)
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2901369 (Grand Skeme)
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