Who should be responsible for fixing the problems with blacks in the US?

[Locahontas]

@Nitro

I DO understand that not all WHITE people were involved in slavery. Just as I understand that not all BLACK people were slaves & not all BLACK people's ancestors were slaves. I'm just using the terms black & white because it's much easier than having to repeatedly type out specifics like Germans, Italians, French, British, Nigerian, Ethiopian, etc, etc, etc. I should hope that any person with a reasonable intelligence knows that not all people of European descent were involved with slavery. I'm generalizing like everyone else. In everyday conversations, you hear people refer to 'black' & 'white', not usually specific countries of origin. There are billions of people on this planet. It would take far too long to write about the case of each individual or their heritage. I think you understood what I was saying. So that kills that (I hope). =)

Of course, we must also understand that we were not all taught from the same history books. But in the books I had in school, the basic timeline was like this: (once again being VERY VERY general since I don't have the book in front of me to site pages)
some stuff happened in England, France, and Italy
some stuff happened in Spain & Portugal
Christopher Columbus
Plymouth Rock
slavery
Constitution
Declaration of Independence
and here we are today.

What I was saying was that the books I had made it seem like the only significant role that blacks played in history was that of slaves. And as far as comparing Benjamin Franklin to Benjamin Banneker...I was using that as an example because both of their names were BENJAMIN. I was not using it as a comparison as far as who accomplished greater things than who. That's a matter of personal opinion. I was saying that I never ONCE heard of any of the black inventors(- I know I'm generalizing with the word black (again), but oh well) on this list :http://www.geocities.com/logicalthinker_2000/black_inventors.html
And no, WE are not worse off. I am just fine. Thank you.

Whats your point? I never said he wouldn't get convicted of anything. In fact I stated that he could get convicted of Involuntary and maybe even direct Manslaughter charges which produces sentences much like the ones you specified. MURDER is when one premeditates and intentionaly takes the life of another, that is not the case here.

Dude, calm down. I typed that before I spent 2 more hours reading the rest of the replies. I was simply saying that he could be charged with something. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong. That's what my point WAS. I never once said, 'No Nitro, you are absolutely incorrect.' I was saying that I wouldn't claim anything to be impossible when it comes to the law. Shit. You're being way too defensive for the smallest things.

You say you've never seen a store owner follow someone around a store. Well, just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just like I've never seen Mars(with my own eyes), but that doesn't mean Mars doesn't really exist.
I wasn't taking ALL the bad incidents in my life & accounting them to race. I was using a few that seemed to ME to be clearly based on race. For example, if I hear someone say, 'Watch those 2 BLACK girls,' that statement was clearly about my RACE. And yes, I have been called honky & cracker. Thank you very much. And about my schoolwork being rejected...I just thought it was odd that I was the only black person in my class, and the only one whose work was questioned. And I was in gifted classes, so it's not like I was outrageously smarter than anybody else in there. It is possible that a situation can seem one way to me & another way to you. Everyone is entitled to their own OPINIONS.

When I walk into a liquor store in my neighborhood I get looked at just as much as any other person walking in.Your providing scenerio's that I can't possibly relate to, much like me asking "has a black rapper ever been rejected because he is black?".

I never said that non-black people don't get looked at when they go into a store. And of course I'm providing scenarios that you can't relate to. You're not me. Everyone has their own experiences. If everyone could relate to everyone else's experiences, this would be a boring ass place to be typing right now. Don't ya think?

Just because I know your wondering, no, my friend was not black, he was white. Now if this same thing happened to you, can you honestly tell me that you would not have made it a race issue?

Now you're generalizing. Because actually, I wasn't thinking that your friend was black. And no, I can not honestly tell you that I would not have made it a race issue if the same thing happened to me. And that's because I've been exposed to different life experiences than you have. I don't live where you live, and you don't live where I live. Out here, there is a constant battle between the police and the black communities. This is because of how many young black men have been killed by white police officers in the past few months & years even (sorry, I don't know their specific nationality, they just look like they have European ancestors, but I guess I could go ask them their family history & then come back & edit this post). If a Muslim store owner had his store burnt down right now, would he be wrong for thinking that someone burnt it down because he was Muslim? You might say yes, but I say no. He is probably basing this thought on the reactions towards the Muslim population after Sept 11th. Maybe another Muslim burnt it down because he was a competitor. But initially, the man will think that his store was burnt down because he was Muslim. I can't blame him for that. Everyone forms their feelings, emotions, & thoughts on different things. Mine just happen to be based on past feelings, emotions, & thoughts. Just like you said "everyone has their own has their own built up beliefs on why they hate what they do." So why am I so wrong for the way I think the way I do. I'm only human.
And YOU were the one who said

'The African Americans that are racist in this world for those reasons listed make up for a small amount of what exists.'

So I was interested in hearing the reasons you think the rest of the racist African-Americans are racist. I was not trying to discredit you (I'm Locahontas, not Heresy, lol), I was only looking for your opinons. And no, I'm not going to try to discredit your opinons because of you're not black. That's weak. I'm willing to admit that I don't know everything & I'm not claiming that I do. But I am willing to hear other people's opinions & maybe learn something in the process.

Calm down, you might have a heart attack. =)

 

[Locahontas]

Oh shit, never thought I'd see the day when I was making these long ass posts like Xianex & Heresy! Somebody puh-lease put me out of my misery! I think I've finally caught the siccness...lol

=)

 

[MOESES SOULRIGHT THE 2nd]

something i should point out from my experiences in the ghetto...

Mothers not taking care of themselves...
mothers drinking soda and eating candy, drinking liqour and smoking cig's, i see it all the time
then we have children in the ghetto with astronomical numbers of having ADD and ADHD...
kids who can't sit still in class and get in trouble all the time, the same kids who end up dropping out of school and being "gangsters"
I think that ALL parents need to take parenting classes for their first child or receive none of the tax benefits(all races)
I think that if mothers in the black communities we're better informed on what their diet can do to their unborn babies, we'd have a lot less black children with asthma, ADD/ADHD, and learning dissabilities...we know that children of the poor suffer from those symptoms at super high rates, and i think Diet is a big cause of it, and lack of education a big part of that...
but of course the Gov won't put money into the proper programs, so the problem will linger unfortunately...

 

[Locahontas]

That's a good point. But it's also true that doctors have been diagnosing children with ADD/ADHD when they don't really have it (they're just overly active). Of course, I don't have the medical evidence to say that a mother's diet & her children's behavior has any correlation, but I still agree with you. You would think that a person who takes good care of themselves should take good care of their children. And then the children will then grow up & take good care of themselves. I wish it worked like that all the time.

 

[Ethereal]

Nope, this actually doesn't work. Because I'm black and I'm talking about the racism from a black persons experience. I'm not jumping out of bounds at all. If you think I am than explain, and I'll give you examples of how white racism is a problem. It's funny how you come to the defense of ignorant and racist white people. If your not one than why be so defensive?

I think you are jumping out of bounds, not by what you just said, but by telling me I have no place to comment on any issues concerning the black community. Let me ask you this, if fixing "black problems" is everyone's responsibility, then how am I out of place by talking about the problems I am partially responsible for fixing? Much of the knowledge I have on the subject is by 'expierence', what I have seen and the people that I have talked to have affected my life indeed. I think if I agreed with everything you said you wouldn't have a problem in the world with me involving myself but because I have a different point of view, you want to lash out and tell me I shouldn't get involved. When did I start defending white racists? I asked you how in saying I shouldnt partake in the problems of the black community by speaking on them, how you can sit there and talk about the problems of white people weather that be racism or any other issue concerning "white" skinned people.

The worse part of slavery was the torture Africans went through, from the raping of black women, to the beatings, degradation, humiliation etc. This played a role in shaping the mindset of Africans minds. This is why TODAY lighter in the black community is perceived to be better. This mentality didn’t form a year ago, or 2 years ago, or 30 years ago, this started during Slavery. We’ve passed the mentality from slavery to today, this shows you that the past has affected the present. Dark skin sistas are the last in line when it comes to be hollered at by brotha just like it was back in the days. There’s a whole bunch of negative mentalities in the black community that has resulted from slavery.

The roughest period for African Americans was not Slavery but the Jim Crow Law era. After slavery Blacks felt that they were just as good as White people in America. And Rightfully so, because there’s nothing about lighter skin that makes you superior to darker skin. However racist and ignorant/racist didn’t believe so, they were in denial that Africans were of the same Homosapiens species as them. Matter of fact during those times the common belief was that Africans were Homo Erectus’s and Homo Sapiens didn’t evolve out of Africa. But anyways ignorant and racist powerful white men decided to pass the Jim Crow Law in the South. This was a chicken shit move by scared White folks, because if Blacks were truly behind the white man like on Charles Wright “Single Ascending Chart” which was being taught in schools why not give them equal opportunity? Denial of course….But anyways Blacks were denied equal opportunity to better themselves in America during those periods. Most black families were forced to live in poverty, the jobs weren’t there and if they were they weren’t paying very much at all. Schools in the ghetto were shitty compared to the white schools. Blacks couldn’t eat at certain restaurants, it was a ridiculous period.

More history lessons, not needed here.

Anyways you asked the question of how does this stuff affect the present.

Hold it riiiiiight there. I never asked how it has affected the present, thats exactly what I don't want to know. Im asking, how is discussing all of this history with me, how is discussing it with anyone else in this world going to help fix the problems of today, that the primary point on our topic. Whenever I hear a black leader, or any young black man talking about the problems of today and the black cummunity, all I hear is the rough history they have been through over hundreds of years. Now believe you me, I think it is something that should never lay to rest or be "swept under the rug" as someone else might say. However, if you want to really improve today you have to work with the problems existing right now. If you break a leg, how important is telling the doctor how you broke it as compared to what he really needs to know in order to fix it? I hate to put the question in that form but it seems you have missed my every attempt in trying to ask you the question. So with that said, how is preaching history to me, or any other person with knowledge of African history going to help the problems that exist today. This is not a trick question and im not looking for a "Well nitro I don't know, you got me there."; I would really like to know your reasoning.

 

[already dead.]

Locahontas you black? I thought I seen your pic and u was white.

 

[Locahontas]

LOL!!!

I'm very very light black. =)
http://members.blackplanet.com/Locahontas156

 

[already dead.]

Also I think MOE hit a very good point that isn't brought up often. Alot of times poor kids moms don't spend their money on bread, fruits, and vegetables or what the family really needs. They buy up cigarettes, liq, and shit like chips and cupcakes and ho-hos to feed the kids. These same kids who never get no proper diet also alot of times watch TV all day cause they can't or don't wanna go outside and end up with serious attention/focus probs.

 

[already dead.]

Oh ok you mixed. My girl is mixed.

See what I'm gettin at ?? Nah j/p.

 

[HERESY]

@ NITRO YOU SAID:

That black population in Fresno is not huge, it makes up for roughly 70,000 people, thats between 5%-10% of the population; it's hard to give you an acurate count because Fresno is one of the fastest growing cities in the nation, and whites make up for an estimated 55%. The Hispanic's make up for about 45% of the entire population. Do you really want me to tell you where the ghetto's are in this city? East, West, South and a big part of central Fresno contain what we would call "ghetto's", drive down Kings Canyon if your really interested. Fresno has one of the worst crime rates in the nation, don't get me wrong, there are good parts of the city as well.

OK SO KINGS CANYON IS THE GHETTO? ANYMORE? NOW OUT OF APPRX 70,000 PEOPLE HOW MANY WOULD YOU SAY ARE EMPLOYED OR NOT USING GOVERNMENT AID? COMPARE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE NUMBERS OF THE WHITE POPTULATION.

Well I havent been to Compton, and I have yet to see any other "ghetto's" outside of California, but I can imagine. My comment was not to say there is nothing more ghetto then Fresno, it was to say that I know what its like, there are parts of Fresno that are as bad as any ghetto out there. I have been to Oakland, may parts of L.A. and all over the Bay Area.

THANKYOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF CALI?

Oh god no, he's laughing his ass off at my comments, don't I feel stupid now. No that is not what im saying although im sure it would make your day had meant that. Im saying if a white person proposed a solution to a problem that you didn't like, you would reject it as opposed to hearing out the same solution had it been provided by an "black" person. Now im generalizing just like you are.

LMAO! ONCE AGAIN I TYPE THE FOLLOWING. ROFL!!! so are you saying that i would downplay and not accept a valid solution based on a persons skin color????? LMAO! ON WHAT GROUNDS AM I REJECTING TEH WHITE MAN? COLOR? SHOE SIZE? HIS TIE?

LISTEN IF A BLACK MAN HAS A SOLUTION AND ITS "LAME" WHY SHOULD I ENDORSE IT???? JUST BECAUSE HE'S BLACK? I DONT HAVE THE "WHITE IS RIGHT" ATTITUDE. YOU HAD WHITE MEN WORSHIPPING WITH MALCOLM X WHILE HE WAS IN MECCA. YOU HAD WHITE WOMEN MARCHING WITH KING DURING HIS TIME. YOU HAD WHITES SUPPORTING THE ABOLITIONIST MOVEMENT. WHAT STATEMENTS OR FACTS ARE YOU USING TO SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT?

Not as many as you claim to. I do what I can, with what resources and time that I have to do it with. I work 40-50 hours a week, go to school 15 hours a week so I don't have all the time in the world to do what I want. If it is within my power, I will do anything I possibly can to help out someone less fortunate then I am.

PEOPLE ON THIS SITE CAN VALIDATE. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT...BETTER YET GOD KNOWS SO ITS COOL. IF ITS WITHIN YOUR POWER TO HELP...HELP. GOOD JOB JUNIOR.

No, thats what you are doing to me and now your placing the blame of your own actions on me. I don't remember answering your questions with "useless info" or "I won't comment on that". Look at what you write from another perspective and you will see how really "ignorant" you look.

HAVE I HAD TO CORRECT MY STATEMENTS? HAVE I HAD TO GO BACK AND SAY "OH I DIDNT MEAN IT LIKE THAT I MAY HAVE BEEN BROAD"??? NO. YOU DID. USELESS INFO MAN. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE POINT.

YOU HAVE YET TO STATE A PROBLEM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND A SOLUTION.

I don't know the answer to that, and although im sure you have some futile plot to turn this against me, this has no relevance to what we are talking about.

IT HAS MORE RELEVANCY THAN YOU THINK. YOU MENTIONED "SLAVERY" AND BLACKS NOT BEING SLAVES. I LISTED THOSE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT BLACKS ARE IN ***ECONOMIC*** SLAVERY. THE BLACK LABOR AND MONEY HAS MADE ***EVERYONE*** RICH......EXCEPT FOR WHO?

Now, since your into 20 questions, answer mine. What is a SHARP? What is the purpose of a SHARP?

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME. IS IT AN LCD PANEL? A COMPANY? MICROCHIP?

Im not making any empty statements, you are still trying to "school" me in problems that exist in todays society, but I am not enquiring them from you. You can try all you want to show me up with your knowledge on the African American community, but why? Im not trying to hear that, most of the stuff your telling me I have heard a hundred times, yet your constantly preaching to me for what? To attract other people on this board to support you in arguing me? Stop dishing out useless information to me.

TENK IS SCHOOLING YOU. NOT ME. I DONT NEED **ANYONE** TO SUPPORT ME. I SUPPORT MY OWN VIEWS. YOU ARE TRYING TO SCHOOL EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. WHO WANTED YOUR VERSION? TENK IS BASICALLY TELLING YOU THE *SAME* THING IM TELLING YOU. ONLY HE IS MORE INVOLVED.

I ASK YOU SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND YOU CANT EVEN ANSWER. YOU SAY I HAVE USELESS INFO????? LMAO.

What the fuck? How are you going to completely switch this shit up now. Its called accessory, not guilty by assoiciation, haha. In California, there is no way you can be charged for Murder in a case like this. District attourney's could pin you with Involuntary Manslaughter at worst, and if your a raging asshole in court with no remorse, maybe even Manslaughter, but Murder? Do you know anything about the legal system? Heres an idea, how about I give you a bunch of useless information about the legal system and make myself look good..

LOL!"GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION" IS A TERM,SLOGAN SAYING WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU WOULD BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME AND BE "GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION". LOCA GAVE YOU A LINK. READ IT.

I HAVE TO GO NOW SO I WILL FINISH THIS AT A LATER DATE.


SEE YA JUNIOR

 

[EDJ]

CINCO CERO CINCO,
I STRESSED WHAT I STRESSED SOLELY BASED ON THIS THREAD. BUT I gUESS YOU REALLY ARE A CLOSET RACIST TO SAY OTHA SHIT ON OTHA THREADS. DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT RAP IS BASED ON BLAK CULTURE?

AND NITRO,
YOU MAKIN' YOURSELF LOOK BAD. YOUR gIRLFRIEND(IF SHE IS BLAK) NEED TO CUT YOU OFF. YOU MAKIN' HER LOOK BAD.

 

[Ethereal]

OK SO KINGS CANYON IS THE GHETTO? ANYMORE? NOW OUT OF APPRX 70,000 PEOPLE HOW MANY WOULD YOU SAY ARE EMPLOYED OR NOT USING GOVERNMENT AID? COMPARE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE NUMBERS OF THE WHITE POPTULATION.

No, I never said Kings Canyon is the ghetto. If you would have read my post you would see "East, West, South and a big part of central Fresno contain what we would call "ghetto's", drive down Kings Canyon if your really interested." I gave you one street amongst several places you can go. Now you want me to compare the number of of black people on welfare as compared to those of white color... why? I know the numbers show more black people are on welfare.

THANKYOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF CALI?

Again, if you would have read my post, you would find the answer. "Well I havent been to Compton, and I have yet to see any other "ghetto's" outside of California".

LMAO! ONCE AGAIN I TYPE THE FOLLOWING. ROFL!!! so are you saying that i would downplay and not accept a valid solution based on a persons skin color????? LMAO! ON WHAT GROUNDS AM I REJECTING TEH WHITE MAN? COLOR? SHOE SIZE? HIS TIE?

This post. What was it that you called me, a "blind-racist" because I see things differently then you?

WHAT STATEMENTS OR FACTS ARE YOU USING TO SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT?

You are my proof HERSEY

HAVE I HAD TO CORRECT MY STATEMENTS? HAVE I HAD TO GO BACK AND SAY "OH I DIDNT MEAN IT LIKE THAT I MAY HAVE BEEN BROAD"??? NO. YOU DID. USELESS INFO MAN. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE POINT. YOU HAVE YET TO STATE A PROBLEM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND A SOLUTION.

How is reclarifying myself useless info? My entire posting here is a problem that I see in the black community.

IT HAS MORE RELEVANCY THAN YOU THINK. YOU MENTIONED "SLAVERY" AND BLACKS NOT BEING SLAVES. I LISTED THOSE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT BLACKS ARE IN ***ECONOMIC*** SLAVERY. THE BLACK LABOR AND MONEY HAS MADE ***EVERYONE*** RICH......EXCEPT FOR WHO?

I would like to hear more from you about this. First can you elaborate on the "economic slavery" amongst African Americans, I know what your talking about, but I want to hear more from your point of view. Why do you think it's like this (try using as little history as possible)? Lastly, this is as close to the subject that were going to get so I want your opinion on something. In working for "equal opportunity", so he claims, Jonnie Cochran recently (last football season) told the NFL, in so many words, that when a coaching position opens up, that it be mandatory to interview a African American coach for the job, or "face him in court". Now do you think that is a good move for the African American community, or do you think he is taking it a little to far?

YOU ARE TRYING TO SCHOOL EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

I thought you just said I have yet to give any problems in the black community? Now im giving everyone my version? Stick with your original story, it made up for a much better offensive attack at me.

WHO WANTED YOUR VERSION?

Look at the topic of the thread, he is asking everyone.

I ASK YOU SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND YOU CANT EVEN ANSWER. YOU SAY I HAVE USELESS INFO????? LMAO.

What does not being able to answer certain questions have to do with anything? You, asking me all these questions is nothing but "useless". I am not in competition with you on who knows more about the black community.

LOL!"GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION" IS A TERM,SLOGAN SAYING WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU WOULD BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME AND BE "GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION". LOCA GAVE YOU A LINK. READ IT.

Way to beat around the bush. Im well aware of the term, it's just funny that you switched up the entire scenerio, then only find that term to use.

"charges of drug delivery resulting in death, criminal conspiracy to commit drug delivery resulting in death and reckless endangerment."

Those were the charges anyway, not murder. They say they can go after them with murder, but convicting them is an entire different ball game. They charged Ray Lewis with murder without any proof, the result was he got probation, just a little insight on how prosecuters can charge at will. Oh yeah, one more thing, that is in Pennsylvania, we are in California obiding by CA laws. Thankyou.

 

[Ethereal]

YOUR gIRLFRIEND(IF SHE IS BLAK) NEED TO CUT YOU OFF. YOU MAKIN' HER LOOK BAD.

There is no reason for that. I could just as easily tell you, that if you want to make some money, you should cut off your rap career, but where will we be then?

 

[EDJ]

^BUT YOUR STATEMENT IS BASED ON WHAT? OPINIONATED VINDICATED SLUR? MY RAP CAREER AIN'T BASED ON THIS INTERNET SHIT AND YOU AIN'T HEARD OR EVEN MEDITATED ON WHAT I gOT COOKIN'. SO FOR YOU TO EVEN TRY TO SLANDER SOMETHIN' YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT JUST SHOWS YOUR IgNORANCE ONCE AgAIN.

ME ON THE OTHA HAND, PEEPED YOUR LOgIC AND WHAT YOU TRYIN' TO SAY. YOU TRYIN' TO MAKE YOURSELF AS HAVIN' THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS A BLAK MAN, THUS PUTTIN' YOURSELF IN HIS SHOES, BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUK YOU TALKIN' BOUT.

AND N-E STRONg SISTA AIN'T gONNA gO FOR THAT BULLSHIT. EITHA:
A.) YOUR gIRL DON'T KNOW YOU THINK THIS WAY AND YOU RUN A FRONT.
b.) YOU LYIN' ABOUT HAVIN' A BLAK gIRLFRIEND TO TRY AND ADD VALIDITY TO YOUR CLAIMS AND POINT
OR
C.) YOU WITH A WEAK-MINDED BITCH THAT NEED TO CHEK HERSELF

SO WHICH ONE IS IT?

 

[HERESY]

NITRO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF YOU HAD WAITED FOR MY SECOND PART. THAT WAY WE WOULDNT BE OUT OF ORDER.

LETS LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR MADNESS.

Now you want me to compare the number of of black people on welfare as compared to those of white color... why? I know the numbers show more black people are on welfare.

NOW READ ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUS REPLIES.

No, I never said Kings Canyon is the ghetto.

I UNDERSTAND THIS BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE SOMETHING. I ASKED YOU ABOUT GHETTOS IN FRESNO. IM NOT IMPLYING THAT KINGS CANYON IS *THE* GHETTO OF FRESNO. I SAID THE FOLLOWING:

THANKYOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF CALI?

YOU REPLIED WITH THIS:

Again, if you would have read my post, you would find the answer. "Well I havent been to Compton, and I have yet to see any other "ghetto's" outside of California".

IF YOU HAD READ MY POSTS YOU WOULD SEE THAT I ASKED YOU A SPECIFIC QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF CALI? YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU HAVE YET TO SEE GHETTOS OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA MEANS WHAT? YOUR REPLY DOESNT ANSWER THE QUESTION.

This post. What was it that you called me, a "blind-racist" because I see things differently then you?

YOU CAN SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY THEN ME. I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO. WE COME FROM DIFFERENT BACK GROUNDS,UP BRINGINGS ETC ETC ETC. I CALLED YOU THAT BECAUSE YOU EXHIBIT PATTERNS (YOUR STATEMENTS) THAT ARE USUALLY MADE BY "BLIND RACISTS".

ANOTHER THING IS THIS. I DONT SEE ANYWHERE IN THIS THREAD WHERE YOU (A WHITE MAN) HAVE PRESENTED A SOLUTION TO ME (A BLACK MAN) AND I DOWN PLAYED IT.

WHAT I DO SEE IS YOU POSTING AND MYSELF (AND OTHERS) NOT AGREEING WITH YOU...BECAUSE OF WELL...YOUR BLIND RACISM...

You are my proof HERSEY

NO IM NOT. :classic:

How is reclarifying myself useless info? My entire posting here is a problem that I see in the black community.

READ YOUR POSTS MAN.

I would like to hear more from you about this. First can you elaborate on the "economic slavery" amongst African Americans, I know what your talking about, but I want to hear more from your point of view.

SIMPLY PUT BLACKS ARENT ON THE LEVEL OF OTHER RACES. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO *OWNERSHIP* OF PROPERTY AND BUSINESS. HOWEVER IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE "BLACK DOLLAR" YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING. BLACKS SPEND *A LOT* OF MONEY ON ***ENTERTAINMENT***. INSTEAD OF NETWORKING, INVESTING IN TANGIBLES ETC ETC ETC MANY BLACKS WOULD RATHER "FLOSS". THE "BLACK DOLLAR" GOES A LOOOOONG WAY IN AMERICA YET WE OWN SO LITTLE. HOW MANY BLACK OWNED BANKS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY BLACK OWNED TV STATIONS? HOW ABOUT RADIO STATIONS? YOU DONT SEE MANY. YET ***EVERYONE*** ELSE IS ***EXPLOITING*** BLACK CULTURE AND LABOR FOR MONETARY GAIN. I LEFT THE "HISTORY" PART OUT.

Why do you think it's like this

HISTORY (SLAVERY) PRODUCT OF THE ENVIRONMENT (GHETTO) LAZINESS ,NO REALIZATION OF SELF,DEPENDING ON OTHERS...THOSE ARE "LIGHT" EXAMPLES.

In working for "equal opportunity", so he claims, Jonnie Cochran recently (last football season) told the NFL, in so many words, that when a coaching position opens up, that it be mandatory to interview a African American coach for the job, or "face him in court". Now do you think that is a good move for the African American community, or do you think he is taking it a little to far?

IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY TO INTERVIEW EVERY *QUALIFIED* PERSON. I DONT BELIEVE HE IS TAKING IT TO FAR AND YES I DO BELIEVE ITS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. WHY? THE MAJORITY OF NFL PLAYERS ARE BLACK. YET THE MAJORITY OF COACHES ARE WHITE. TAKE A LOOK AT OWNERSHIP ALSO. HOW MANY BLACK OWNED NFL TEAMS DO YOU SEE? SO YOU CAN USE THEM AS "WORKER BEES" AND EXPLOIT THE TALENTS AND ABILITIES THEY POSSESS...YET YOU WONT ALLOW THEM TO "LEAD" AND TO "OWN"? BTW HAVE YOU NOTICED AN INCREASE IN BLACK QUARTERBACKS?

I thought you just said I have yet to give any problems in the black community? Now im giving everyone my version? Stick with your original story, it made up for a much better offensive attack at me.

YOU ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE BUT YOU HAVENT EDUCATED ANYONE. YOU HAVENT PRESENTED ANY PROBLEMS IN THE COMMUNITY. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS MADE THE OPRESSED THE OPRESSOR.

Look at the topic of the thread, he is asking everyone.

LOOK AT MY POST ONCE AGAIN.

What does not being able to answer certain questions have to do with anything? You, asking me all these questions is nothing but "useless". I am not in competition with you on who knows more about the black community.

NO IM AKSING YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE ***RELEVENT*** TO THE TOPIC. NOT ONLY THAT BUT IF YOU KNEW AS MUCH AS YOU CLAIM...OR HAD A "SOLUTION" YOU WOULDNT HAVE A PROBLEM OF ANSWERING.

Way to beat around the bush. Im well aware of the term, it's just funny that you switched up the entire scenerio, then only find that term to use.

IF YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF THE TERM I DONT SEE A NEED FOR YOU TO CUT AND PASTE WHAT I SAID. I NEVER SAID IT **WASNT** ACCESSORY TO MURDER. IM GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW YOU READ A LIL TOO DEEP INTO THINGS BUT DONT COVER YOUR ASS. I SAID THE FOLLOWING:

2.if i were CAUGHT for selling the drugs i would be incarcerated for doing it. It would be MY responsibility to do the time.

3.if the lady overdosed on the drugs that I sold her its a GREAT chance that i could be prosecuted for MURDER (if it can be proven that i sold them to her).

1.DID YOU SEE ME GIVE A LOCATION? I DIDNT SAY "IF IM IN CALI AND I SOLD DRUGS ETC ETC ETC"

2.THE TRANSACTION COULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN NEW ORLEANS, NEW YORK, DETROIT OR TAMPA BAY. IF I ***NEVER*** LIMITED MYSELF TO A SPECIFIC PLACE WHY WOULD YOU MENTION CALIFORNIA AND ABIDING UNDER CA LAW? BESIDES *YOU* WHO MENTIONED CALIFORNIA AS THE LOCATION OF THE TRANSACTION (OR IN REGARDS TO BEING CHARGED WITH MURDER)? IF I DID PLEASE SHOW ME.

3.HOW IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BE CHARGED WITH MURDER IF THEY WERE? IF ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE CHARGED WITH MURDER IN CALI HOW IS CA RELEVENT WHEN I *NEVER* GAVE A LOCATION?

HERES SOMETHING YOU SAID:

Also, did you know it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pick up a murder charge for the woman dying of an overdose?

NOTICE THE CAPS ON IMPOSSIBLE.

NOW TAKE A LOOK AT THIS

They say they can go after them with murder

SO QUICK TO SING A NEW TUNE.

:dead:

:H:

 

[Locahontas]

Here's another link (sorry, the story came from Virginia, but damn, I'm only one person). In this article, the man actually DOES get charged with murder...felony-murder to be exact. He hasn't gone to trial yet, so we don't know what exactly he WILL be found guilty of. But he was in fact charged with M-U-R-D-E-R.


Your welcome.

http://www.drug-overdose.com/news-3.htm

 

[Zer0.MediA]

MAN GET OVER THIS BLACC FOLK LESS OPPURTUNITY SHIT, I MEAN YEAH WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE BUT DAMN, AIN'T NUTHIN THAT CAN BE DONE BOUT THAT. ALL YOU CAN DO AS A BLACC MAN IS STOP COMPLAINING, GET THE FUCC OF YOUR ASS AND APPLY YOURSELF. IF YOU GET REJECTED FOR WHATEVER REASON, DON'T CRY ABOUT, JUST DUST YOURSELF OFF AND TRY AGAIN!!!
CUZ AIN'T SHIT GONNA CHANGE AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!

The black population has gone from fighting for civil rights along side the likes of Martin Luther King Jr. to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. The black community needs to tell these fools to shut their traps because they're doing nothing but making a race of people look like a bunch of whining fools.

Check out http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60291&pagenumber=1 for some opinions on this... Here's a few of my comments:

Tupac spoke for a black community without blatantly yelling "the white people are to blame!", which is why people listened... He wasn't just another Jesse Jackson jumpin on every bandwagon. He was an educated performer, and I think if he saw this book he'd be offended by it and tell Micheal Eric Dyson to shove it up his ass.

How come when black folk get some money, they leave the ghetto? Oh that's right.... because they know it sucks. Strange, the way people act it's as if there aren't any other places for a black person to go other than a streetcorner in a ghetto, yet in reality the second someone makes a few bucks what do they do? They leave the ghetto... Why? Because a ghetto isn't a ghetto unless it's a shithole, and a shithole is probably not on the top of people's lists of places to stay. Now I guess that would make those black people "uncle Toms" because they aren't just sittin' in the ghetto like most yappin their gums up and down about how hard they got it when they aren't doin' nothin' but sellin' drugs and makin' kids they can't afford.

Pac said the same shit... He knew what was real. That's why I liked him. He didn't sit around and whine about how white america is the cause of all his problems, he spoke about how black America doesn't set it's standards high enough because they've been livin' so long on the "White America holdin' us down" tip.

Hey, if you can't get out of the ghetto, maybe you should say "Hey mom, why the fuck was I born here" and see if her answer is "white people sweety"... Nah, it's probably because your mom was broke and had kids (and probably more than one) when she couldn't even afford to pay for an abortion, let alone the doctor bills to birth your ass, then the cycle just keeps turnin'.

I'm sorry that there isn't a federal aid program that would just drop a brand new house on your doorstep that could fly you out of the ghetto like an airship from Final Fantasy. Maybe if you didn't want to live in a ghetto like most white people, instead of goin' "I'm so street, I'm from the ghetto and that's where I belong" you could make some changes for your sorry self and get a fuckin' real job, and save some money, and try not to have 50 kids by 49 moms and get the fuck out. Nah, then when you fail you wouldn't have the excuse of white America to fall back on.

We've gone from Martin Luther King Jr. to Jesse Jackson... Need I say more?

Let's face it, talk to your grandparents and ask them what the "racism" you face to day is like compared to their day. I'm really finding it hard to understand why people keep complaining about racism these days, like the only type of racism that exists is white on black. Let's see my white ass walk down your block and see how many friends I make. THEN ask me why some white people are intimidated by blacks. As far as I'm concerned, the "hip hop" generation of blacks are basically ignorant to the the opportunities they've got because they're too busy complaining to go out and better themselves.

 

[Locahontas]

I hate to laugh, but damn, this was funny!

Hey, if you can't get out of the ghetto, maybe you should say "Hey mom, why the fuck was I born here" and see if her answer is "white people sweety"[/quote}

 

[Tenkamenin]

I think you are jumping out of bounds, not by what you just said, but by telling me I have no place to comment on any issues concerning the black community. Let me ask you this, if fixing "black problems" is everyone's responsibility, then how am I out of place by talking about the problems I am partially responsible for fixing? Much of the knowledge I have on the subject is by 'expierence', what I have seen and the people that I have talked to have affected my life indeed. I think if I agreed with everything you said you wouldn't have a problem in the world with me involving myself but because I have a different point of view, you want to lash out and tell me I shouldn't get involved. When did I start defending white racists? I asked you how in saying I shouldnt partake in the problems of the black community by speaking on them, how you can sit there and talk about the problems of white people weather that be racism or any other issue concerning "white" skinned people.

More history lessons, not needed here.

I think you have no place to comment about black problems if your not educated well enough. If you know what your talking about than I have no problem with you or anyone agreeing or disagreeing with me. You can go ahead and make comments, but you will continue to fumble.

Bro, you're having problems with the basics and thats putting 2 and 2 together.

"Whenever I hear a black leader, or any young black man talking about the problems of today and the black cummunity, all I hear is the rough history they have been through over hundreds of years. Now believe you me, I think it is something that should never lay to rest or be "swept under the rug" as someone else might say. However, if you want to really improve today you have to work with the problems existing right now.I hate to put the question in that form but it seems you have missed my every attempt in trying to ask you the question."

***scratches his head***

I didn't miss anything, you're the one who has missed everything.....

You say.....

"don't give me any black history lessons because I know it"

but yet you struggle to put together that our past is apart of the problem today. That was my point in explaining the history. This is why black leaders or young black men talk about it. If you can't see how the history is apart of the present than I don't know what to tell ya, because that is a big part of black problem.

If you read my post on page 4, my solutions to the problem in the black community was fixing the past problems. Learning African/African History and Black Economics/Investment classes that focus on the black community problems TODAY.

I also stated that there are soooo many problems in the black community it will be almost impossible to touch on all of those things in one thread.

Here's the exact post....

"Lets not kid ourselves, there are sooooooooooooo many problems in the black community it is not even funny. I'll start with education, because that is the most important problem to fix in our community. We need to educate Africans in America and not just on racist white men in the U.S./Europe history but on who Africans are, where they're from, culture, history, and the role slaves had on building this country. Out of all the American History classes I've taken I've yet to hear how slaves played a big role on America's stardom to super power. More blacks need to learn Economics, especially at a young age. I would love to see schools require black folks to take economic classes pertaining the black community. We need to breed a generation of Africans that know the value of the dollar, investing, and starting there own businesses."

 

[Ethereal]

I think you have no place to comment about black problems if your not educated well enough. If you know what your talking about than I have no problem with you or anyone agreeing or disagreeing with me. You can go ahead and make comments, but you will continue to fumble.

All wrong. In your eyes for one to be educated, they would have to agree with your beliefs, and please, spare me the arguement that its not true, because I have seen enough to know. Or maybe it's a coincidence that your supporters on this board, whom im sure you would refer to as being educated, all coincidentally agree with your claims.

Bro, you're having problems with the basics and thats putting 2 and 2 together.

I could tell you 2 and 2 is 4, but all you would do is argue with me why we get that answer, which I am not concerned with.

You say.....

"don't give me any black history lessons because I know it"

but yet you struggle to put together that our past is apart of the problem today. That was my point in explaining the history. This is why black leaders or young black men talk about it. If you can't see how the history is apart of the present than I don't know what to tell ya, because that is a big part of black problem.

Don't bother with these "you say" then "I say" comments, becase they don't help HERSEY one bit, and they certainly won't help you. Your problem is you struggle to acknowledge that I do know how black people got here, but the thought of me not knowing that is all you have left going for you here. If you would read my posts, I have said plenty of times that I am not concerned with that on this thread, I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HISTORY. If you go up to any given "educated" black man and ask him what is wrong with "today" he will tell you shit that happened a hundred years ago. That information will not help any poor struggling neighborhoods, that which is a big problem in this world.

"NOW READ ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUS REPLIES."

I did, and still pose the same question. Thanks for waisting my time.

"I UNDERSTAND THIS BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE SOMETHING. I ASKED YOU ABOUT GHETTOS IN FRESNO. IM NOT IMPLYING THAT KINGS CANYON IS *THE* GHETTO OF FRESNO. I SAID THE FOLLOWING: YOU REPLIED WITH THIS: IF YOU HAD READ MY POSTS YOU WOULD SEE THAT I ASKED YOU A SPECIFIC QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF CALI? YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU HAVE YET TO SEE GHETTOS OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA MEANS WHAT? YOUR REPLY DOESNT ANSWER THE QUESTION."

Yes I have been out of California numerous times. Now please explain to me what the relevance of that question is (with the knowledge of the answer I initially gave you).

"I CALLED YOU THAT BECAUSE YOU EXHIBIT PATTERNS (YOUR STATEMENTS) THAT ARE USUALLY MADE BY "BLIND RACISTS"."

You calling me a racist was nothing but a cop-out. I knew before I made my first reply that it would happen. You are far more of a racist then I will ever be. And I will give you as many reasons why I think that as you did when you called me one... here they are.

- BLANK -

"NO IM NOT"

You absolutely are.

"READ YOUR POSTS MAN."

I have, and I pose the same question.

"HOWEVER IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE "BLACK DOLLAR" YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING. BLACKS SPEND *A LOT* OF MONEY ON ***ENTERTAINMENT***. INSTEAD OF NETWORKING, INVESTING IN TANGIBLES ETC ETC ETC MANY BLACKS WOULD RATHER "FLOSS". THE "BLACK DOLLAR" GOES A LOOOOONG WAY IN AMERICA YET WE OWN SO LITTLE. HOW MANY BLACK OWNED BANKS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY BLACK OWNED TV STATIONS? HOW ABOUT RADIO STATIONS? YOU DONT SEE MANY. YET ***EVERYONE*** ELSE IS ***EXPLOITING*** BLACK CULTURE AND LABOR FOR MONETARY GAIN." ... I LEFT THE "HISTORY" PART OUT. HISTORY (SLAVERY) PRODUCT OF THE ENVIRONMENT (GHETTO) LAZINESS ,NO REALIZATION OF SELF,DEPENDING ON OTHERS...THOSE ARE "LIGHT" EXAMPLES."

There you go HERSEY, your really coming along now. You have just touched basis one one very big problem I see and will address later.

"LOOK AT MY POST ONCE AGAIN."

Done, now look at my question again.

"NO IM AKSING YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE ***RELEVENT*** TO THE TOPIC. NOT ONLY THAT BUT IF YOU KNEW AS MUCH AS YOU CLAIM...OR HAD A "SOLUTION" YOU WOULDNT HAVE A PROBLEM OF ANSWERING."

You have yet to explain the relevance.

"DID YOU SEE ME GIVE A LOCATION? I DIDNT SAY "IF IM IN CALI AND I SOLD DRUGS ETC ETC ETC""

Exactly, so I would have to assume that if you sold drugs, that you wouldn't travel to Virginia to sell a bag. We are in CA, obiding by CA laws, that is all there is to it, end of story. It saddens me that in a conversation of this magnitude, in dealing with the black community, that you sit here arguing with me about something as small and irrelevant as this, as if to show you have nothing else to argue that you have a slight chance of winning. I am going to start skipping some of your guys' posts that have nothing to do with the topic.