Who should be responsible for fixing the problems with blacks in the US?

[HERESY]

nooooooo dough!!!! zero!!!!!!!!!!!

@Loca basically a 501c3 church is a church that has non-profit status. They get tax exemptions, grants etc etc etc from the government. However in return for those tax exemtions, grants yada yada yada they CANT and WONT say certain things about the us government, certain policies etc etc etc.


@Tenk have i ever gave you the link to that Jim Crow website?

@Nitro

Although im sure it must have made you feel good for just a minute thinking I didn't know any of that, but I simply must ask you, are you that retarded?

judging by your statements i would say that i SERIOUSLY doubt that you knew ANY of that. Am I retarded? By all means no. Are you well read? No.

I can pick out a random 8th grader and he could tell the same thing, try not impressing me with some speech like that again.

how could a random 8th grader tell you the same thing when MANY 8th graders are reading at a 3rd grade level? How can a random 8th grader tell you the same thing when that 8th grader has a biased history book? i have no REASON to IMPRESS *YOU* or *ANYONE* else on this PLANET. Keep that in mind.

What happened during the slave era was horrible, we all know that, but that was not you HERSEY, you were not a slave! And if for some reason you have been emotionallly scared by what has happened to your ancestors, that doesnt entitle you to a better life without working for it yourself.

that was not me. I was not a slave yet i have experienced racism and discrimination because of my skin color. JUST LIKE MY ANCESTORS. The discrimination against my ancestors is the SAME discrimination that i face today (in some shape or form). Was Malcolm x a slave? Was Garvey? Was king? Was Newton? Were these men slaves? No. Did they experience racism that trickled down? Yes. Who said that a person should be entitled to a better life without working for it? Who implied that?

Like I mentioned before, one thing keeping racism alive today is people thinking they are still slaves, all you have shown me here is you are one of them. I feel sorry for you, that is all.

you are that which professionals deem "blind racists". black people ARE still slaves in more ways than one. How about economic, spiritual, social and physical? let me ask you the following:

1.can you name five products that African Americans market and sell to the Asian, Jewish, Arab, white and Latino populations? Name five products that are marketed and sold to each group.

2. Can you name five products that Asians, Jews, whites, Latinos and Arabs market and sell to African Americans?

3.can you explain the faith based initiative program?

4.can you show me how the African American community compares to other races (the ones listed above) in terms of?

Aids rate

Average life span

Yearly income

Education level

Prison populous

It is the stupidest comment because it is simply the one you disagree with the most.

no its not the stupidest. just one of many...its not the one i disagree with the most.

Im sorry, who said the problem shouldn't be fixed? Avoid the statement, I don't give a shit. You are responsible for your own life, that's all there is to it. You need to put down the book, and go outside and look at the real world. Why don't you take a trip to where there are poor white people too, that is a problem as well or do they deserve no attention from you, they can make in on their own.

you have a warped sense of reality that shows in your posts. i put down the books and i experience the real world on a daily basis. i have been to where poor white people lived. Yesterday i helped more poor whites than i did poor blacks. i know that white poverty exists. However white poverty is NOT larger than BLACK poverty. Heres a little example.

you have ten white families. five of those white families are on welfare.

you have four black families and three of those are on welfare.

whites are the majority and blacks are the minority. now answer the following. who has the higher percentage of people on welfare (based on the example above)?

now lets take another look at your statement:

Im sorry, who said the problem shouldn't be fixed? Avoid the statement, I don't give a shit. You are responsible for your own life, that's all there is to it.

here is what you previously said.

Fixing the problems of "black" people is no one's responsibility whatsoever, not even “black” people as a whole are responsible for that. Each and every one of you are responsible for your own lives, making something for yourselves and getting an education, that is all your responsibility.

1.did you read that?

2.how can the problem be fixed when it has yet to be properly diagnosed?

3.fixing the problems of blacks, whites, Chinese etc etc etc should be EVERYONES problem. However WHITE poverty and discrimination is not because whites were slaves. Arab discrimination is not because of slavery. Chinese discrimination is not because of a darker skin tone. THE DISCRIMINATIONS BLACKS ENDURE ARE BYPRODUCTS OF SLAVERY. BLACK POVERTY COMES FROM *ORGANIZED* DESTRUCTION AND DECIMATION. WHICH HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND CARRIED OUT BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. BLACKS HAVE TRIED TO PLAY "CATCH UP". ONLY TO HAVE BUSINESS AND PROPERTY DESTROYED (BLACK WALL STREET) LEADERS KILLED (MALCOLM X, KING) CHURCHES BOMBED (REGGIE WHITE FOR EXAMPLE) AND YOUTH ROBBED OF SELF ESTEEM AND WORTH...

If a lady gives birth to a crack baby, she ultimatley responsible for the mishap. She needed to take responsibility for her own life and child’s well being, not you.

this is NOT true based on the following.

1.i was PART of the *problem* by presenting the person with the drugs. If i had NEVER sold her the drugs *I* would not be responsible for that child’s health.

2.if i were CAUGHT for selling the drugs i would be incarcerated for doing it. It would be MY responsibility to do the time.

3.if the lady overdosed on the drugs that I sold her its a GREAT chance that i could be prosecuted for MURDER (if it can be proven that i sold them to her).

How is the responsibility NOT partially mine when it takes an entire village to raise a child? How does part of the blame NOT fall on me when i am a stumbling block to others? How am i NOT responsible for her child’s condition when I made decisions (based on GREED) to sell her something she did NOT need.

The only thing keeping you mentally enslaved is your damn self, no one else, you. You can keep thinking your being treated poorly and being enslaved all you want but it isnt going to do anything, don't you understand that?

this is simply not true.

1.how do schools in urban areas compare to schools in the suburbs? Are schools in the suburbs run down? Do they have old books? Do they have computers in the class and smaller class sizes?

2.how many liquor stores selling 40's and blunt wraps do you see in urban communities? What about the suburbs?

There are places in this country with races other then your's that have it just as bad, so stop being so selfish and deal with the entire problem, not just "your people".

do these people have it "just as bad" because they came here due to free will? Or do these people have it bad because their ancestors were forced into slavery and left to embrace the carnage of racism?

WHY are those people in poverty?

There are places in this country with races other then your's that have it just as bad, so stop being so selfish and deal with the entire problem, not just "your people".

compare that statement to the previous one you made

Fixing the problems of "black" people is no one's responsibility whatsoever, not even “black” people as a whole are responsible for that. Each and every one of you are responsible for your own lives, making something for yourselves and getting an education, that is all your responsibility.

you say to deal with the ENTIRE problem yet you say that its no one's responsibility to fix the problems of the black community? yes i AM responsible for MY *actions* and what i do. however what are my actions and deeds based on? am i a product of an environment that is designed to keep me down?

Im keeping racism alive by trying to bring black and white communities together to co-exist and not let the past seperate them? ... you have proven my entire thread before right just by this comment.

good ole massah jus sweep it unda da rug n we be all fine and dandy n da end. n da end we all be holdin hans and we be singin we shal ova cum....

No, and whats your point that there are racist white people? No shit, there are plenty of racist black people living in this country just the same, so spare me that shit.

you did NOT say that you were experiencing racism from black people. you said that WHITES were discriminating against you. YOUR personally PREFERENCE allowed you to be discriminated. you wont be discriminated by the white people if you didnt have her as your choice of mate. what would be the reason? racist black people? why are they racist? because of police brutality? because they are followed in stores everywhere they go? because they are the last to be seated and served in restaurants? The average skinhead hasn’t even interacted with black people...so his racism is based on what?


part 2 is next

 

[HERESY]

You kidding me right? No serious, your kidding me? Your arguing me just for the sake of arguing now, and your seeming to be more and more without thought. What, did you drive through some white enhabited part of Fresno now your basing the entire city on what you saw.

you made a statement that fresno was as ghetto as it gets. im not basing the entire city on what i saw.

I live in Fresno, California which is as ghetto as it gets

now provide me with the information i seek (based on your statement). i asked you fresno has a black population of how many? does fresno have any large black communities? where are the ghettos in fresno?

can you please elaborate on your statement that fresno is as ghetto as it gets? can you tell me what ghettos YOU have been to (outside of fresno) that compare to fresno?

No, you don't have an open mind to any solution that a person other then that of the "black" race presents to you.

ROFL!!! so are you saying that i would downplay and not accept a valid solution based on a persons skin color????? LMAO!


1.YOU DONT KNOW ME. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT DICTATES MY DESCISIONS?

2. I WILL EMBRACE ANY LOGIC OR TRUTH AFTER I HAVE RESEARCHED IT AND APPLIED IT IN SOME SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION.

3.IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT COLOR A PERSON IS. IF I CAN *LEARN* FROM THAT PERSON ITS ALL GOOD.

4.I DONT EVEN ENDORSE THE MAJORITY OF BLACK LEADERS (LIKE SHARPTON OR JACKSON) SO WHY WOULD I NOT BE OPEN MINDED TO OUTSIDE SOURCES?

In other words when a "white" person would present to you a problem that may exist in the black community with a suggestion on fixing it, you would all reject it. If you don't believe me, go look at your reply's to me and see for your self.

1.PLEASE LIST THE PROBLEMS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT YOU FEEL EXIST.

2.PLEASE LIST YOUR SUGGESTION ON HOW TO FIX THEM.

3.WHO HAS OPENLY REJECTED IT?

SO FAR YOU HAVENT SAID ANYTHING OF VALUE OR SUBSTANCE.

If you don't believe me, go look at your reply's to me and see for your self. Like I said, if it's not completely what you want to hear, it can't possibly be true or have any worth because your ancestors were enslaved for 400 years and that is all that matters.

YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE IS A WASTE OF BANDWIDTH. ITS BASED ON WHAT?

Did you step on any white people along the way?

DID YOU?

All I really got from this is well, nothing more then I already had. From what I see your just a kid crying out for help, screaming for attention. Keep on thinking this is a white mans world, go ahead, but your not going to get any sympothy from me. I will help all people just the same without knowledge of color, I won't look for white people to help and dont worry about what im going to do or what I have done because it won't concern you.

THIS ALSO IS WASTE OF BADNWIDTH. USELESS INFORMATION.

WHY DONT YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION? YESTERDAY I TOOK MY TIME AND MONEY AND HELPED OUT MORE PEOPLE THAT WERE *NOT* MY SKIN COLOR.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HELP ON A DAILY BASIS?


:h:

 

[Ethereal]

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@Nitro judging by your statements i would say that i SERIOUSLY doubt that you knew ANY of that. Am I retarded?

I can seriously gaurentee you that I did know all of that, and that sir, is why I call you retarded. You assume all that you accuse me of and in doing so place me in a false light in order to make yourself appear as if you are right in this discussion. In fact, I knew the shit you said at or around the 8th grade. Weather you choose to believe it or not, really won't affect me the slightest bit. I get nothing out of convincing you of my knowledge on black history.

how could a random 8th grader tell you the same thing when MANY 8th graders are reading at a 3rd grade level? How can a random 8th grader tell you the same thing when that 8th grader has a biased history book?

There are grown adults that speak fluent English that can't read period, so whats your point? They learn by lectures in class and from those around them who are well aware of the history. Reading is the biggest source for knowledge but not the only one. Biased history book? You mean on behalf of your own beliefs.

1.can you name five products that African Americans market and sell to the Asian, Jewish, Arab, white and Latino populations? Name five products that are marketed and sold to each group.

2. Can you name five products that Asians, Jews, whites, Latinos and Arabs market and sell to African Americans?

What is the rellevance of those questions? Would you like me to say they Guns, Drugs, and Liquor are products sold to African Americans? Would that make you feel better.. Here I have a question, do you know what a SHARP is? DO you know what they do?

3.can you explain the faith based initiative program?

It's a plan for the government to get involved with those that are less fortunate ie. homeless people and drug addicts, and yes, minorities as well as whites in areas that have very few option's for success.

can you show me how the African American community compares to other races (the ones listed above) in terms of...?

No, I don't have numbers for all of that and I don't feel like searching the web to find out, I know that African Americans are at risk in almost everyone of those catagories as opposed to other races, but your arguing the wrong person because I have full intentions of doing what I can in order to help the situation, and I wish everything was different, but I don't have a magic wand.

i put down the books and i experience the real world on a daily basis. i have been to where poor white people lived. Yesterday i helped more poor whites than i did poor blacks. i know that white poverty exists. However white poverty is NOT larger than BLACK poverty

I commend you on your accomplishments. If you would have said that from the get, I might have responded in a different fasion. Maybe you can tell me what it is that you do.

1.i was PART of the *problem* by presenting the person with the drugs. If i had NEVER sold her the drugs *I* would not be responsible for that child’s health.

2.if i were CAUGHT for selling the drugs i would be incarcerated for doing it. It would be MY responsibility to do the time.

3.if the lady overdosed on the drugs that I sold her its a GREAT chance that i could be prosecuted for MURDER (if it can be proven that i sold them to her).

And your friend is responsible for giving you a ride down there to sell the drugs, and your friends mom is responsible for lending the car to your friend to give you a ride to sell the drugs, I have been through the "blame game" in my youth and believe me it doesnt work like you want it to. Each and everyone of us are responsible for our own actions. It was her decision to take the drugs from you knowing full well the possible consequences. In one way or another you can place some sort of blame on a string of people for the lady's death had she over dosed but ultimatley it was her responsibility. Also, did you know it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pick up a murder charge for the woman dying of an overdose?

1.how do schools in urban areas compare to schools in the suburbs? Are schools in the suburbs run down? Do they have old books? Do they have computers in the class and smaller class sizes?

2.how many liquor stores selling 40's and blunt wraps do you see in urban communities? What about the suburbs? do these people have it "just as bad" because they came here due to free will? Or do these people have it bad because their ancestors were forced into slavery and left to embrace the carnage of racism?

If we keep this up, im going to have to educate you on how Africans were enslaved.. like I don't know ghetto's exist in this world. You might as well argue with me that there is oxygen in the air that we breathe.

why are they racist? because of police brutality? because they are followed in stores everywhere they go? because they are the last to be seated and served in restaurants? The average skinhead hasn’t even interacted with black people...so his racism is based on what?

Your generalizing waaaay to much there. The African Americans that are racist in this world for those reasons listed make up for a small amount of what exists.

fixing the problems of blacks, whites, Chinese etc etc etc should be EVERYONES problem. However WHITE poverty and discrimination is not because whites were slaves. Arab discrimination is not because of slavery. Chinese discrimination is not because of a darker skin tone. THE DISCRIMINATIONS BLACKS ENDURE ARE BYPRODUCTS OF SLAVERY. BLACK POVERTY COMES FROM *ORGANIZED* DESTRUCTION AND DECIMATION. WHICH HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND CARRIED OUT BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. BLACKS HAVE TRIED TO PLAY "CATCH UP". ONLY TO HAVE BUSINESS AND PROPERTY DESTROYED (BLACK WALL STREET) LEADERS KILLED (MALCOLM X, KING) CHURCHES BOMBED (REGGIE WHITE FOR EXAMPLE) AND YOUTH ROBBED OF SELF ESTEEM AND WORTH... this is NOT true based on the following.

I didn't bother responding to half of what you said just because its random irrelevant preaching which I am not up for as well as constant repeating. I will however take a good chunk of what you said and lay it all down here, which is based on your reactions to my comments concerning who should fix "black problems". I have done alot of thinking about this question and have come to some conclusion. For me to say that "no one" is responsible for fixing the problems in the African American community was a bit broad, and may not be completely accurate. To some extent is is up to every concerned citizen to excercise diligence when trying to better these poverty stricken areas, but the way he stated it was to "fix" the problem, and I maintain that it is no ones responsibility to just "fix" it. If anything, it is up to us to help them to fix their own problems, and in doing so hope that they will succeed.

Now as for calling me a "blind racist"; call me all you want, I knew it was only a matter of time before you did. I said in my opening statements that any white person with ideas other then what an African American wants to hear will be rejected, and you have done more then prove me right by not only arguing every sentence of what I wrote, but resulting in racist labeling. Thank you.

 

[Tenkamenin]

Well, all you guys talk about are the black problems which lead me to believe that in so many words that is all you care about. Just from your first paragraph I can tell you are a man of some intelligence, although you have refered to me as being "ignorant" I am not one to return with any harsher of insults, i'll save those for the asshole's that park their car in my spot. Having said that I will first tell you that I have gained some respect by the way you have presented yourself, but there is one thing that I must address before we go any further. Just because someone disagree's with you, someone has different views of the world and how we can better it does not mean he is ignorant. I could call you ignorant because I don't think the things you say are completely accurate and different then mine, but that doesn't mean shit other then we simply disagree, so try to keep an open mind on not try and return fire just because I don't feel the same way as you. I refered to HERSEY as "ignorant" not because of his knowledge, but becase of how he uses it. His first objective to to prove me wrong, second is to understand what I say (if that). No I have not read any books on the history of slavery other then the ones I have gone through in highschool, nor do I feel I need to in order to converse about it. I know how horrible it was, I know it was multiple centuries of what happened over just a few years in Germany during the second world war. Believe me I have my deepest sorrows for everyone that was affected by it and although not nearly as bad as you, it has impacted my life too, probably more then you are willing to comprehend, but that's an entire different story.

DAWG, I'm BLACK what do you expect me to talk about? I know about the problems in the black community because I've seen it from our perspective. I'm not going to run my mouth about other groups problems because it would be IGNORANCE on MY part. You have to have GREAT KNOWLEDGE before you talk about another groups problem. I can not tell you that I know all the problems in the Hispanic community, I know some but I don't know enough to say "Lets target this problem" or whatever problem. So I would refrain and step back instead of making myself sound like a fool by spewing my nonsense about there problems. HOWEVER I will support any hispanic leaders or peoples solution to fixing there problem in the community.

As far as the ignorant comment goes, that refers to your lack of understanding the problems in the community. Lets take this comment for an example....

The main thing that keeps racism the way it is today is the unwillingness of African Americans to have an open mind to a solution. All they want to hear is how they have been fucked over and they deserve this and that because people they don't even know were enslaved for hundreds of years.

R U Kidding me? You think all blacks want to hear about how they've been fucked over forever? Get real!! Just think about what you said for second. Instead of looking at Blacks as whiners have you ever stopped and thought about what they were complaining about? You haven't, this is why I said that you haven't been able to APPLY black history to the present. The past has affected the present, no one wants to whine about slavery, no one wants to whine about racism. Your focusing too much attention on Blacks, and you COMPLETLY wiped the slate on racist white men that have played a problem in black struggle. Why is that? This is the primary reason on why I called you ignorant. Turn around and look at the powerful white men in history that have successfully done everything in there POWER to hold black people down. The Jim Crow Law is an example.

Like I said, it doesnt matter that you call me ignorant. As quickly as your reasons surface for using the term, so surely they will die just as fast. My issue with that comment is not so much that you want to educate "your people" on this subject, but you act as its the primary focal point in the education you wish to teach these young kids. "Not only racism but..." How about teaching them who they are, where they are from, then maybe find some time to teach them about the history of racism, and maybe, just maybe, you can find a way to show them that not all white people are like that, rather a subclass of depleting racist "white skinned" people that rejected the thought of equal opportunity. Show them a lighter side to life, that there is peace amongst coexisting with these "white" races, help them understand that it was not every white race that did this; in doing so of course you can to educate them on the racist "white" groups that still exist today.

Teaching black people about Africa has nothing to do with white people. I don't know where your getting that I want to teach black kids that all Whites are evil. Where the HECK did I say that? If I don't believe all whites are evil, than why would I want that to be taught in the first place. It sounds like you've just drew that assumption out of the air. Teaching black folks about the Songhai Dynasty has nothing to do with white people. This was before the Europeans landed in Africa. However the goal of these teachings is to resurface pride in being an African, and it's also a great thing to learn. We aren't apes like Charles Darwin believed, we weren't an uncivlized group of people like what kids were taught back in the days. We had incredible civilization, that were just as good as the Europeans. Tooo many African Americans come up to me and ask the dumbest questions about Africa, whats ironic is that they're the ignorant type, the like to get in trouble/slave mentality type of brothas and sistas. Coincidence? I think not....

I agree 100% with what you just said and nobody can take back the damage that has been done. My concern is that you absolutely can not, and I mean you CAN NOT blame "white" skinned people of today for what happened then which is something that happens all to often.

Nothing I said in my post mentions anything about blaming white people today. This is about correcting problems in the past, teaching black folks about African/African American history in the past has nothing to do with White people today.

However racist and ignorant white people today still do play a big part in the problems in the black community. For example, the racist ignorant white people that like to deny black people a job because there name Ahmed, or because there black period.

I'll adress the other part about rappers and there message a little later....

 

[Tenkamenin]

This is so true. Also, other cultures who do know where they come from & know their history can turn to family members or some older person in that 'community' to learn more about their past. African Americans don't have this advantage. During slavery, every part of their culture was taken from them, language, religion, every thing. Culture was also lost by mixing Africans from all over Africa. How can you keep your history/culture alive when you are surrounded with people who might not even speak your language? Mexicans can claim they are from Mexico because they KNOW they are Mexican. But African-Americans are taking a shot in the dark at claiming to be of African descent. Who really knows if they came from Africa or from the West Indies? And if they did come from Africa, how will they ever BEGIN to find out which country, or even which African culture they came from. It's messed up that people can say they are Italian, Mexican, Indian, or Chinese, but black people can only claim to be African-American. What I'm trying to say is that Italians, Mexicans, Indians, & Chinese can all claim ancestry to a country. Black people can only be fortunate to ASSUME ancestry to an entire continent. Big damn difference if you ask me. How many times do you hear a white person (could be anyone really, I'm just making an example) say, 'My family is from Europe.' Probably damn near NEVER. They are able to say, 'My family is from _______,' (fill in the European country of your choice). And a lot of times they can trace their family history back to a town in that country. Now when you ask a black person about their ethnicity, what do they say? 'I'm from Africa.' Thanks for narrowing it down.

Yup what you said is real, a lot of my African American friends always tell me how lucky I am to know my history. They always say "I wish I could trace back my roots to Africa"...It's sad all they know is that they're from West Africa. Some African Americans are fortunate enough to find there roots through DNA sampling but that is also very tough to do.

Understanding your history the slightest is the step in the right direction.

 

[Tenkamenin]

Hersey what Jim Crow Website do you have?

This is the one I use...

http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/menu.htm

Has lots of pictures and stuff. Pretty good link...

 

[HERESY]

I can seriously gaurentee you that I did know all of that, and that sir, is why I call you retarded. You assume all that you accuse me of and in doing so place me in a false light in order to make yourself appear as if you are right in this discussion. In fact, I knew the shit you said at or around the 8th grade. Weather you choose to believe it or not, really won't affect me the slightest bit. I get nothing out of convincing you of my knowledge on black history.

USELESS INFO. THIS "DISCUSSION" HAS TAKEN PLACE ON THIS BOARD BEFORE. I HAVE MY BELIEFS AND YOU HAVE YOURS. NO ONE HAS IMPLIED THAT MY BELIEFS ABOUT YOU WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE.

There are grown adults that speak fluent English that can't read period, so whats your point? They learn by lectures in class and from those around them who are well aware of the history. Reading is the biggest source for knowledge but not the only one. Biased history book? You mean on behalf of your own beliefs.

HOW MANY HISTORY BOOKS CAN YOU FIND IN SCHOOL THAT ELABORATE ON PRESIDENTS OWNING SLAVES? MY POINT IS YOU ARE TYPING USELESS INFO AND TRYING TO MAKE IT SUIT YOUR POINTS. KIDS ARE READING TAINTED AND BIASED MATERIAL.

What is the rellevance of those questions? Would you like me to say they Guns, Drugs, and Liquor are products sold to African Americans? Would that make you feel better.. Here I have a question, do you know what a SHARP is? DO you know what they do?

ONCE AGAIN YOU AVOID THE QUESTIONS. THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU HAVE TO DO WITH ECONOMIC,SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL SLAVERY. NO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO NAME 5 SPECIFIC PRODUCTS THAT ARE MADE BY ASIANS THAT ARE MARKETED TO BLACKS. AFTER THAT NAME FIVE ITEMS THAT ARE MADE BY BLACKS THAT ARE MARKETED TO ASIANS.

It's a plan for the government to get involved with those that are less fortunate ie. homeless people and drug addicts, and yes, minorities as well as whites in areas that have very few option's for success.

LOL! I WONT EVEN COMMENT ON YOUR ANSWER.

No, I don't have numbers for all of that and I don't feel like searching the web to find out, I know that African Americans are at risk in almost everyone of those catagories as opposed to other races, but your arguing the wrong person because I have full intentions of doing what I can in order to help the situation, and I wish everything was different, but I don't have a magic wand.

WHY ARE THEY MORE AT RISK IN THOSE AREAS THAN OTHER RACES? DO THOSE AREAS LEAD TO A TYPE OF BONDAGE? YOU DONT FEEL LIKE DOING THE RESEARCH? LMAO! WHY ARE YOU MAKING EMPTY STATEMENTS?

I commend you on your accomplishments. If you would have said that from the get, I might have responded in a different fasion. Maybe you can tell me what it is that you do.

I DOTN HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING FROM TEH GET. IF YOU HAD READ MY POSTS (SOMETHING I DONT BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY DID) YOU WOULD HAVE FORMED YOUR ASSESSMENT SO EARLY.

And your friend is responsible for giving you a ride down there to sell the drugs, and your friends mom is responsible for lending the car to your friend to give you a ride to sell the drugs, I have been through the "blame game" in my youth and believe me it doesnt work like you want it to.

IF YOU GAVE ME A RIDE TO THE BANK AND I ROBBED IT GUESS WHATS GONNA HAPPEN? YOUR GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION. NO ONE IS PLAYING THE BLAME GAME. IM PLACING BLAME ON ***MYSELF*** INSTEAD OF TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT. THE EASY WAY IS "SHE SMOKED IT I DINT MAKE HER BUY IT".

IT TAKES A PERSON OF MORALE TO SAY "YES I AM JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PERSONS MISHAP BECAUSE IM A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR"

THATS SOMETHING *WHITE* AMERICA HAS *YET* TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO BLACK AMERICA.

It was her decision to take the drugs from you knowing full well the possible consequences. In one way or another you can place some sort of blame on a string of people for the lady's death had she over dosed but ultimatley it was her responsibility. Also, did you know it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pick up a murder charge for the woman dying of an overdose?

CARROL O CONNER WANTED MURDER CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST THE MAN WHO SOLD HIS SON COCAINE. THE DEALER IS A *PARTY TO THE CRIME*. ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO PICK UP A MURDER CHARGE IF SOMEONE HAS DIED FROM ILLEGAL DRUG USE.

If we keep this up, im going to have to educate you on how Africans were enslaved.. like I don't know ghetto's exist in this world. You might as well argue with me that there is oxygen in the air that we breathe.

IF YOU CANT PROVIDE ME WITH THE NUMBERS AND STATISTICS I ASKED OF YOU HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY EDUCATE ME? YOU GIVE YOURSELF WAAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH CREDIT.

Your generalizing waaaay to much there. The African Americans that are racist in this world for those reasons listed make up for a small amount of what exists.

USELESS INFO.

Now as for calling me a "blind racist"; call me all you want, I knew it was only a matter of time before you did. I said in my opening statements that any white person with ideas other then what an African American wants to hear will be rejected, and you have done more then prove me right by not only arguing every sentence of what I wrote, but resulting in racist labeling. Thank you.

YOU HAVE REJECTED YOUR OWN IDEAS. HERES AN EXAMPLE

I have done alot of thinking about this question and have come to some conclusion. For me to say that "no one" is responsible for fixing the problems in the African American community was a bit broad, and may not be completely accurate.

YOUR STATEMENTS PROVE YOU WRONG. HAVE A NICE DAY :classic:

 

[Ethereal]

now provide me with the information i seek (based on your statement). i asked you fresno has a black population of how many? does fresno have any large black communities? where are the ghettos in fresno?

That black population in Fresno is not huge, it makes up for roughly 70,000 people, thats between 5%-10% of the population; it's hard to give you an acurate count because Fresno is one of the fastest growing cities in the nation, and whites make up for an estimated 55%. The Hispanic's make up for about 45% of the entire population. Do you really want me to tell you where the ghetto's are in this city? East, West, South and a big part of central Fresno contain what we would call "ghetto's", drive down Kings Canyon if your really interested. Fresno has one of the worst crime rates in the nation, don't get me wrong, there are good parts of the city as well.

can you please elaborate on your statement that fresno is as ghetto as it gets? can you tell me what ghettos YOU have been to (outside of fresno) that compare to fresno??

Well I havent been to Compton, and I have yet to see any other "ghetto's" outside of California, but I can imagine. My comment was not to say there is nothing more ghetto then Fresno, it was to say that I know what its like, there are parts of Fresno that are as bad as any ghetto out there. I have been to Oakland, may parts of L.A. and all over the Bay Area.

ROFL!!! so are you saying that i would downplay and not accept a valid solution based on a persons skin color????? LMAO!

Oh god no, he's laughing his ass off at my comments, don't I feel stupid now. No that is not what im saying although im sure it would make your day had meant that. Im saying if a white person proposed a solution to a problem that you didn't like, you would reject it as opposed to hearing out the same solution had it been provided by an "black" person. Now im generalizing just like you are.

WHY DONT YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION? YESTERDAY I TOOK MY TIME AND MONEY AND HELPED OUT MORE PEOPLE THAT WERE *NOT* MY SKIN COLOR.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HELP ON A DAILY BASIS?

Not as many as you claim to. I do what I can, with what resources and time that I have to do it with. I work 40-50 hours a week, go to school 15 hours a week so I don't have all the time in the world to do what I want. If it is within my power, I will do anything I possibly can to help out someone less fortunate then I am.

 

[Ethereal]

MY POINT IS YOU ARE TYPING USELESS INFO AND TRYING TO MAKE IT SUIT YOUR POINTS.

No, thats what you are doing to me and now your placing the blame of your own actions on me. I don't remember answering your questions with "useless info" or "I won't comment on that". Look at what you write from another perspective and you will see how really "ignorant" you look.

NO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO NAME 5 SPECIFIC PRODUCTS THAT ARE MADE BY ASIANS THAT ARE MARKETED TO BLACKS. AFTER THAT NAME FIVE ITEMS THAT ARE MADE BY BLACKS THAT ARE MARKETED TO ASIANS..

I don't know the answer to that, and although im sure you have some futile plot to turn this against me, this has no relevance to what we are talking about. There are many aspects of poverty that I still don't know about as well as you, just because you know one thing I don't doesnt mean shit. Now, since your into 20 questions, answer mine. What is a SHARP? What is the purpose of a SHARP?

LOL! I WONT EVEN COMMENT ON YOUR ANSWER.

I know you won't.

WHY ARE THEY MORE AT RISK IN THOSE AREAS THAN OTHER RACES? DO THOSE AREAS LEAD TO A TYPE OF BONDAGE? YOU DONT FEEL LIKE DOING THE RESEARCH? LMAO! WHY ARE YOU MAKING EMPTY STATEMENTS?.

Im not making any empty statements, you are still trying to "school" me in problems that exist in todays society, but I am not enquiring them from you. You can try all you want to show me up with your knowledge on the African American community, but why? Im not trying to hear that, most of the stuff your telling me I have heard a hundred times, yet your constantly preaching to me for what? To attract other people on this board to support you in arguing me? Stop dishing out useless information to me.

IF YOU GAVE ME A RIDE TO THE BANK AND I ROBBED IT GUESS WHATS GONNA HAPPEN? YOUR GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION.

What the fuck? How are you going to completely switch this shit up now. Its called accessory, not guilty by assoiciation, haha. In California, there is no way you can be charged for Murder in a case like this. District attourney's could pin you with Involuntary Manslaughter at worst, and if your a raging asshole in court with no remorse, maybe even Manslaughter, but Murder? Do you know anything about the legal system? Heres an idea, how about I give you a bunch of useless information about the legal system and make myself look good..

IT TAKES A PERSON OF MORALE TO SAY "YES I AM JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PERSONS MISHAP BECAUSE IM A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR"

Perhaps, but the fact remains, she is ultimately responsible for her own actions.

YOU HAVE REJECTED YOUR OWN IDEAS. HERES AN EXAMPLE YOUR STATEMENTS PROVE YOU WRONG. HAVE A NICE DAY :classic:

Whoops! You left this out of my quote, here ya go, no problem.

and I maintain that it is no ones responsibility to just "fix" it.

Geez, talk about not reading a post. Before you reply with comments of contradiction, please do me and the servers running this board a favor, thoroughly read the post. Thank you.

 

[Ethereal]

DAWG, I'm BLACK whimat do you expect me to talk about? I know about the problems in the black community because I've seen it from our perspective. I'm not going to run my mouth about other groups problems because it would be IGNORANCE on MY part.

So you have never involved yourself with the problems that plague the white race such as racism?

So I would refrain and step back instead of making myself sound like a fool by spewing my nonsense about there problems.

"However racist and ignorant white people today still do play a big part in the problems in the black community. For example, the racist ignorant white people that like to deny black people a job because there name Ahmed, or because there black period."

Hmmm, curious. You really should take your own advice.

Instead of looking at Blacks as whiners have you ever stopped and thought about what they were complaining about? You haven't, this is why I said that you haven't been able to APPLY black history to the present.

Oh but I have. Your completely missing my point. Now listen to this, and instead of trying to make me look bad or arguing me, educate me if you feel it is necessary. How is Slavery, and the history of white racist men going to help cure the poverty of our cities? You see, I understand where you are coming from, really I do, and excuse me if I don't refer to slavery in my every post but in trying to deal with the problems of TODAY, how is the past going to help us? Yes, I know that slavery is what lead African Americans to where they are and sure educating our kids about it is a start, but what is it really going to do? Im not saying forget the past, oh no, I would never suggest such a thing, but just think about what I said. I would much rather have an intelligent conversation with you two rather then go back and fourth arguing when we both stand at a place where we want to help rid the diseases of this country..

 

[XianeX]

--an aside
Heresy My Dear Friend; How do you always attract abusive, unconstructive, and uncivilized arguments and debates?

--bacc to subject
blaccs niggas whatever you wanna call them. the reason we don't progress is because of people like my dear friend heresy in power. meaning:

those who argue for the sake of argument with no agenda other than to be heard.
those who when they argue seek no compromise or concensus but seek to be the absolute answer.
those who cannot accept a defeat or outside logic as a recourse.
those who will not relinquish old knowledge to progress.
those who view the world through mythological books not reality.
those who teach to indoctrinate and not to expand thought (indoctrination and eschatology are brainwashing techniques)
those who fear others thinking for themselves outside ones opinion.

I just deliniated ALL of the fruitless blacc "leaders" in america.
I find myself to be a new breed of "nigga". I wish I could find more of my kind

once again I picc at you sir because of your arrogance and your methodology of diseminating a persons post to refute every word in effort to spread the core of a subject so far from its original meaning that it becomes disheveled and pointless.

you tend to postulate your opinions on others as the only way but when it is refuted you "basically" beg a person to validate there point of view. every retort I've ever read from you has been "gimme proof, show me" and when all else fails you resort to base mannerisms such as name-calling and insults.

As much as I enjoy you I still feel you need to be more refined to be successful

Gahbezhya Ah Min hahaha

 

[Locahontas]

good ole massah jus sweep it unda da rug n we be all fine and dandy n da end. n da end we all be holdin hans and we be singin we shal ova cum....

lol! I love it!

Damn, it's crazy that I dedicate about 45 minutes out of each morning at work to read the replies to this topic! But that could be a good thing...

 

[Locahontas]

Ok, I have to post now before I read the rest of Heresy's essay. =)
@Tenk...you're completely right. How can we (as black people) try to comment on the problems of other races if we don't fully understand them? We can't. You're exactly right.


@Nitro...

Reading is the biggest source for knowledge but not the only one. Biased history book? You mean on behalf of your own beliefs.

You've gotta be kidding me? So you don't believe the history books are biased? The authors will put 25 chapters in a book & dedicate one to the history of blacks & feel good about the book because they've filled their 'quota.' Please... Why is it that if black students want to learn about black American history, they have to take a 'BLACK HISTORY CLASS?' Have you ever heard of a class called 'White History?' I know I haven't (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just haven't heard of it.) In a regular old 'history' class, students learn about the basic history of the European countries & how they traded with Asian countries, and so on...and that leads you to the chapters on America & how the Constitution was created, blah, blah, blah. The only MAJOR appearance blacks have in the history books is during the SLAVERY chapter. This gives the impression that blacks did NOT play a major role in building this country or inventing things that play a major rold in how we live today. But I bet my ass you'll hear about Benjamin Franklin. Now what about Benjamin Banneker?

Also, did you know it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pick up a murder charge for the woman dying of an overdose?

I wouldn't say it's IMPOSSIBLE to pick up a murder charge. But he could be charged with something...but maybe not specifically murder.

http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030523drugdeathreg6p6.asp

'Now, if convicted, a drug dealer whose sale caused a death faces a mandatory five years in jail and up to 40 years more.'

True, it doesn't say what the guy was charged with, but he facing prison time because he sold the drugs that caused a death.

If we keep this up, im going to have to educate you on how Africans were enslaved.

Please enlighten us...
Have you ever read the document that defines exactly how to break the spirit & the bond of black family & how to separate the Africans by skin shade (causing a feeling of separation among themselves) so that they could be easier to control?
Somebody please post a link to the site...

Your generalizing waaaay to much there. The African Americans that are racist in this world for those reasons listed make up for a small amount of what exists.

You say only a small portion of racist blacks are racist because of police brutality & other racist acts that have been committed against them? How many times have you seen a black store owner following a black person around to make sure they don't steal? Probably never. How many times have you been in a store with your little sister & you hear one store employee say to the other, "Watch those black girls?' Once again...probably never. How many times have you been called 'zebra', 'oreo', or 'half breed' because of YOUR skin color. I can almost guarantee NEVER. How many times have you been the only black person in your class & had the teacher tell you your work was great- if it was ORIGINAL? Uuummm...I'm goin for never on this one too. I'm not saying that I've never experienced racism from other ethnic groups, because I have. I've even experienced it from black people (being that I'm mixed & light skinned). But the majority of the racism I've experienced in my life (let's say about 98%) has come from whites. So with that said, it should be easy to see how I could possibly be racist towards white people since they were the ones were always the most racist towards me.

Since you think that only a small portion of racist blacks are racist because of the above-stated-type of reasons, I'm interested to know your theories on why the rest of racist blacks are racist.

 

[Locahontas]

...

 

[Locahontas]

Here's a good one called "How To Make an Economic or Ghetto Slave; A Lesson for the New Millennium by Willie Lynch III"



http://www.duboislc.com/OnlineGrapevine/Ghetto-Slave.html

 

[Locahontas]

Okay, this is the link I was referring to:

http://www.thetalkingdrum.com/wil.html

It's the speech given by Willie Lynch...'The Making of a Slave'

 

[Ethereal]

You've gotta be kidding me? So you don't believe the history books are biased? The authors will put 25 chapters in a book & dedicate one to the history of blacks & feel good about the book because they've filled their 'quota.' Please... Why is it that if black students want to learn about black American history, they have to take a 'BLACK HISTORY CLASS?' Have you ever heard of a class called 'White History?'

Your correct, there are many things about African Americans that are left out of our books. Now before you can compare "Black" history and "White" history, you must completely understand the meaning behind the colored labels, and I don't think that is the case here. You see, when we say "Black" people, we are refering to those from Africa, correct me if im wrong. When we say "White" people, who are we talking about? That is where the problem lies my friend. You classify White people as one, even though they come from different countries and continents from all over the world. I know the same can be said for Africans within Africa, but the geographical range is much smaller and that is a factor when talking about the history of a stereotypical skin color. I will not discuss your questions until you understand what im saying. There are "white" skinned nationalities that had nothing to do with slavery yet they are classified by you as someone who's anscestors owned slaves. You may not have outright said it, but that is the case for almost every black person I have heard. Do you know for a fact that every single country containing "white" skinned people from every continent all over the world had ancestors directly partaking in the owning and trading of African slaves in the U.S.? The answer to that question is very similar to the answer you are seeking as to why we don't see any "White History" classes. If you can place the blame on the ancestors of every "white" nationality, then you have no right to say white people are responsible for anything specific. European Americans would be a little more specific, but still questionable.

In a regular old 'history' class, students learn about the basic history of the European countries & how they traded with Asian countries, and so on...and that leads you to the chapters on America & how the Constitution was created, blah, blah, blah. The only MAJOR appearance blacks have in the history books is during the SLAVERY chapter. This gives the impression that blacks did NOT play a major role in building this country or inventing things that play a major rold in how we live today. But I bet my ass you'll hear about Benjamin Franklin. Now what about Benjamin Banneker?

When addressing weather or not a history book is biased, we must have one to talk about. My history books talked mainly about WAR between countries and Slavery. Then my U.S. history talkied about the struture of the Governemt and the U.S. Constitution and Slavery again. Your comparing Benjamin Banneker with Benjamin Franklin? Good god we are worse off then I thought.

I wouldn't say it's IMPOSSIBLE to pick up a murder charge. But he could be charged with something...but maybe not specifically murder.

http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030523drugdeathreg6p6.asp

'Now, if convicted, a drug dealer whose sale caused a death faces a mandatory five years in jail and up to 40 years more.'

True, it doesn't say what the guy was charged with, but he facing prison time because he sold the drugs that caused a death.?

Whats your point? I never said he wouldn't get convicted of anything. In fact I stated that he could get convicted of Involuntary and maybe even direct Manslaughter charges which produces sentences much like the ones you specified. MURDER is when one premeditates and intentionaly takes the life of another, that is not the case here.

You say only a small portion of racist blacks are racist because of police brutality & other racist acts that have been committed against them? How many times have you seen a black store owner following a black person around to make sure they don't steal?

I have never seen any store owner follow a black person around in a store, maybe on a few movies that I have seen.

How many times have you been in a store with your little sister & you hear one store employee say to the other, "Watch those black girls?' Once again...probably never. How many times have you been called 'zebra', 'oreo', or 'half breed' because of YOUR skin color. I can almost guarantee NEVER. How many times have you been the only black person in your class & had the teacher tell you your work was great- if it was ORIGINAL? Uuummm...I'm goin for never on this one too. I'm not saying that I've never experienced racism from other ethnic groups, because I have. I've even experienced it from black people (being that I'm mixed & light skinned). But the majority of the racism I've experienced in my life (let's say about 98%) has come from whites. So with that said, it should be easy to see how I could possibly be racist towards white people since they were the ones were always the most racist towards me.

All your doing is taking all the bad incidents in your life and placing a race issue on them which is another big problem that must be addressed. You have been called a zebra, an oreo? How about a honkey, a cracker? I too have had my school work rejected, not because it "wasn't original" but that is not the point. When I walk into a liquor store in my neighborhood I get looked at just as much as any other person walking in. Your providing scenerio's that I can't possibly relate to, much like me asking "has a black rapper ever been rejected because he is black?". I have a little story to tell you if you wouldn't mid reading a few more lines, and this is a true story. My friend and I were just coming back from a party we went to, we had no car so we decided to walk back to my house, it was a mile or so away. It was dark outside and we were just down the street when we heard the sirens sound off from the police car stoping right in the street next to us. They got out with few words exchanged and proceeded to place us against the car with no reason, searched us and found a pipe and a sack of weed. Still at this point we had no knowledge why we had even been stopped. After about 15 minutes, the cops told us "we had a report of some arguing going on over here". They proceeded to put us in the back of the cop car as they gave us our charges and a court date. Just because I know your wondering, no, my friend was not black, he was white. Now if this same thing happened to you, can you honestly tell me that you would not have made it a race issue?

Since you think that only a small portion of racist blacks are racist because of the above-stated-type of reasons, I'm interested to know your theories on why the rest of racist blacks are racist.

Why is the KKK racist? Everyone has their own built up beleifs on why they hate what they do, but the fact of the matter is, there is never a reason to "hate" anything.

 

[Ethereal]

the reason we don't progress is because of people like my dear friend heresy in power. meaning:

those who argue for the sake of argument with no agenda other than to be heard.
those who when they argue seek no compromise or concensus but seek to be the absolute answer.
those who cannot accept a defeat or outside logic as a recourse.
those who will not relinquish old knowledge to progress.
those who view the world through mythological books not reality.
those who teach to indoctrinate and not to expand thought (indoctrination and eschatology are brainwashing techniques)
those who fear others thinking for themselves outside ones opinion.

You have just summed up my every post in those lines in a more complex manner, good job and I am with you on everyone of your thoughts. There will be a change, the time for it will come as quickly as it is accepted by those whom it will affect. The barriers they build around themselves must be broken down before a light can be seen.

I just deliniated ALL of the fruitless blacc "leaders" in america.
I find myself to be a new breed of "nigga". I wish I could find more of my kind

From what I have taken from HERSEY's post's is that he doesn't even support these black leaders; the sad thing is, he thinks just like them and in that sense, he is what he preaches against.

 

[Tenkamenin]

So you have never involved yourself with the problems that plague the white race such as racism?

The racism is much worse with black folks, and that’s a fact. Look at history, white racism has had a bigger impact on minorities than vice versa. Whites have had the power to economically oppress black people throughout history, have blacks had that type of power? Do they have that power today? NO...When a person can legislate a law that holds back an entire race, you know it's serious. White racism vs. Black Racism is not even an accurate comparison, they're not on the same playing field. Yes it's racism, and all racism is bad however the impact of one over the other is not even close. Slavery held back black for years, I could list for days impact white racism has had on African Americans. Blacks are still dealing with a tremendous amount of racism, as well as other minorities. White racism is [/QUOTE]minature compared to black racism. We currently have in congress some people that were “former” Klan members or affiliates of racist groups. Robert Byrd comes into mind, Trent Lott was one of them. Do you think a racist black person could get elected into office? No friggin way would that be able to happen.

"However racist and ignorant white people today still do play a big part in the problems in the black community. For example, the racist ignorant white people that like to deny black people a job because there name Ahmed, or because there black period."

Hmmm, curious. You really should take your own advice.

Nope, this actually doesn't work. Because I'm black and I'm talking about the racism from a black persons experience. I'm not jumping out of bounds at all. If you think I am than explain, and I'll give you examples of how white racism is a problem. It's funny how you come to the defense of ignorant and racist white people. If your not one than why be so defensive?

Oh but I have. Your completely missing my point. Now listen to this, and instead of trying to make me look bad or arguing me, educate me if you feel it is necessary. How is Slavery, and the history of white racist men going to help cure the poverty of our cities? You see, I understand where you are coming from, really I do, and excuse me if I don't refer to slavery in my every post but in trying to deal with the problems of TODAY, how is the past going to help us? Yes, I know that slavery is what lead African Americans to where they are and sure educating our kids about it is a start, but what is it really going to do? Im not saying forget the past, oh no, I would never suggest such a thing, but just think about what I said. I would much rather have an intelligent conversation with you two rather then go back and fourth arguing when we both stand at a place where we want to help rid the diseases of this country..

First of all I’m not trying to make you look bad, I would get no pleasure out of that. If you feel that I’m trying to make you look bad I apologize because I’m not.

Nitro it isn't just slavery that’s a problem, it is a combination of things.

The worse part of slavery was the torture Africans went through, from the raping of black women, to the beatings, degradation, humiliation etc. This played a role in shaping the mindset of Africans minds. This is why TODAY lighter in the black community is perceived to be better. This mentality didn’t form a year ago, or 2 years ago, or 30 years ago, this started during Slavery. We’ve passed the mentality from slavery to today, this shows you that the past has affected the present. Dark skin sistas are the last in line when it comes to be hollered at by brotha just like it was back in the days. There’s a whole bunch of negative mentalities in the black community that has resulted from slavery.

The roughest period for African Americans was not Slavery but the Jim Crow Law era. After slavery Blacks felt that they were just as good as White people in America. And Rightfully so, because there’s nothing about lighter skin that makes you superior to darker skin. However racist and ignorant/racist didn’t believe so, they were in denial that Africans were of the same Homosapiens species as them. Matter of fact during those times the common belief was that Africans were Homo Erectus’s and Homo Sapiens didn’t evolve out of Africa. But anyways ignorant and racist powerful white men decided to pass the Jim Crow Law in the South. This was a chicken shit move by scared White folks, because if Blacks were truly behind the white man like on Charles Wright “Single Ascending Chart” which was being taught in schools why not give them equal opportunity? Denial of course….But anyways Blacks were denied equal opportunity to better themselves in America during those periods. Most black families were forced to live in poverty, the jobs weren’t there and if they were they weren’t paying very much at all. Schools in the ghetto were shitty compared to the white schools. Blacks couldn’t eat at certain restaurants, it was a ridiculous period.

Anyways you asked the question of how does this stuff affect the present. It’s simple what you have to pick up from this is that Slavery and the Jim Crow Law Era shaped the minds of African Americans. 250+ years of torture in America, do you possibly think that these events would not have a mental affect on blacks today? Add that being passed down to racism blacks still continue to receive today. The mentality that was passed down will always be true in a black mans mind.….How often do you hear black person say “The white man is trying to hold me down”, this phrase is some what true because there are white people out there with a lot of power that will do everything to deny a black person of equal opportunities at jobs, or even loans to help them start there own businesses. HOWEVER despite all of this blacks can step up and still be successful in America, they would have to work twice as hard as whites but it’s still manageable.

My plans are simple: More African/African American History and Black Economic classes starting from Elementary school. Add that with financial backing from Africans and African Americans who are willing to rebuild the community

 

[XianeX]

From what I have taken from HERSEY's post's is that he doesn't even support these black leaders; the sad thing is, he thinks just like them and in that sense, he is what he preaches against.

WOW at least Nitro see the light. Thank you sir