^^yes..some people don't believe in God because they don't read the bible. Well if you don't belive in God then your going to burn in hell after you die. You can do anything i'm talking about smoking weed, sex and those other stuff and still make it to heaven. The whole point is for the person to accept Jesus Christ in his life and belive in God if you go to the rightway you will make it to heaven...God doesn't care if you drink, have sex, kill somebody, be in a gang, start getting wild, do anything to your body...all he wants you to do is accept him. God loves you and everyone else on earth...i will post some more later on...
There is no GOD
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"Zero, originally a Hindu number, was introduced to the West by the Arabs during the Middle Ages and was unknown to the ancient Greeks and Romans. How was that he wondered. Had nature so subtly hidden zero that all the Greeks and all the Romans-millions of them-couldn't find it? One would normally think zero is right out there in the open for everyone to see. He showed the absurdity of trying to derive zero from and form of mass-energy, and then asked, rhetorically, if that meant the number zero was "unscientific." If so, did that mean that digital computers, which function in terms of ones and zeros, should be limited to just ones for scientific work? No trouble finding the absurity here."
Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
By Robert M. Pirsig
please don't say im scared of math either. I dislike math. Im not scared of it. I will also take another exerpt from this book and enlightened the un-enlightened.
Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
By Robert M. Pirsig
please don't say im scared of math either. I dislike math. Im not scared of it. I will also take another exerpt from this book and enlightened the un-enlightened.
"I don't believe in random chance of ANYTHING. everthing can be calculated."
Then possibly you should start playing the lotto. I mean if NOTHING is random and EVERYTHING can be calculated then you should be able to calculate the numbers which are going to come up on this next drawing. Hell, maybe I should bring you to Vegas with me this 4th.
However, as far as the universe is concerned how do you claim this universe obtained this 'order' which undoubtedly exists.
Then possibly you should start playing the lotto. I mean if NOTHING is random and EVERYTHING can be calculated then you should be able to calculate the numbers which are going to come up on this next drawing. Hell, maybe I should bring you to Vegas with me this 4th.
However, as far as the universe is concerned how do you claim this universe obtained this 'order' which undoubtedly exists.
Lets move on to the creation of man. GOD said "LET US..create man in our own image and in our own likeness..."
Who was he talkin too saying "LET US?" I'll explain.
GOD is one GOD. There are no other GODS besides him. GOD is also tri fold. There is GOD the father......There is GOD the son (JESUS) and then there is the HOLY SPIRIT. All three of them are GOD and all three are one.
If GOD made us in his image, wouldn't we be tri fold also???? YES!!..YES WE ARE. EVERY human being on this earth is tri fold or should I say consist of three parts of their being. You have your body, which is that flesh or skin you look upon in the mirror everyday, you have your SOUL which is your mind, will, and emotions, then you have you SPIRIT, which is the real you. When you die, your Spirit and soul will leave your body, and that is death...when the spirit leaves the body.
When GOD created mankind he made us with free will. Not only that, he even gave animals free will also. When you asked me how did the serpent turn evil if GOD made everything good, well here's why.
SATAN IS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN AND IS ON THE EARTH!!!! HE'S A SPIRIT! THE ONLY WAY A SPIRIT CAN HAVE EXPRESSION IN THE EARTH, IT HAS TO OPERATE THROUGH A BODY. (Think about that....the only way a spirit can have expression on earth is through a body..the only reason you are still alive functioning on this earth is because your spirit is still in your body...otherwise you would be dead) SATAN IS ANGRY AT GOD AND SEE'S THAT GOD HAS CREATED MAN IN HIS IMAGE AND THE FIRST WAS ADAM WHO WAS GIVEN A WOMAN BY THE NAME OF EVE TO BE WITH HIM AND HELP HIM ALSO. HE KNOWS GOD LOVES HIS CREATION, GOD EVEN GAVE THEM DOMINION OF THE ANIMALS AND THE EARTH AND TOLD THEM TO TAKE CARE OF IT. ANYTHING THAT GOD LOVES, HE HATES SO HE HATES MAN AND HE THINKS OF A WAY HE CAN MAKE THIS MAN FALL IN SIN LIKE HE DID SO GOD WOULD REJECT HIM AND LOSE WHAT HE LOVES.
Now! Since GOD gave dominion to ADAM over this Earth and that GOD gave Adam free will he could call the shots...Eve could call the shots also.....he gave his creation man the authority over everything and told them to touch and handle everything except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan was at work thinking of a way to getthem so he probably tried several animals but the serpent yielded his body to satan and allowed him to enter and thats how the serpent became wicked! Satans had full expression and interaction in the earth to get at Adam when the serpent allowed (the serpent had a choice because of his God given free will ) Satan to enter. He tricked Adam and Eve to eat the fruit and sin against GOD therefore Adam lost everything that he had, just how Satan lost everthing when he sinned as Lucifer but still the case for mankind is different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me tell u what happened as a result of the sin that Adam commited. Once Satan caused Gods creation to use their free will and choose to eat the fruit from the forbidden tree and mess up and sin against GOD he felt he won. God is perfect, he gave mankind free will to do what ever they want but if they sinned against him there would be a cost....Adam or Eve both could have told Satan to get out of there face bacause GOD gave them dominion and control over the earth and every creature...the serpent would have had no choice but to leave and therefore Satan withhim because he was inside the serpent. Basically GOD originally made man the god of this world. As a result of the sin Adam turned over his authority over to SATAN! As a result we all have to die. As a result every human being born is going to HELL because the choice they made transformed their perfect spirits that were alive to death and therefore they were spiritually dead because of their sin, and that just how everything you have came from your parents/family, as far as through birth like skin color, eye color, height...etc the sin Adam and Eve comitted was passed down to the spirits of everyone born after them because the were the first two people on earth....DOOMING US ALL!.............BUT!!! BUTT!!!! ITS NOT OVER YET!!!!!!!!!!
Ever since the sin was comitted God had a plan.....as a matter of fact even before the sin was comitted and before Adam or Eve or even the earth was created (Rev 13: GOD ALREADY HAD THE PLAN TOGETHER TO SAVE MANKIND.........THAT MEANS YYYYYOOOOOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!...AND ME AND EVERYONE WHO WILL BELIEVE IT!
EVERY PERSON after Adam including him had to sacrafice animals just to have their sins covered. All through the Old Testament of the bible you will read about sacrifices unto God. The thing was that the blood shed was not enough to save mankind....besides the only way to undo what a man messed up, and man had to fix!
This is wear the birth of Jesus comes in at! John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should NOT PERISH but have everlasting life. Just how I explained in our last conversation, God came to the virgin Mary and told her that she was going to have a child...and she excepted and it was done. (She had a choice...she could have refused GOD) Since she never had sex with a man to give birth to Jesus, he didn't have the sin in his spirit that all the rest of the people have that were born after Adam! He was clean and perfect LIKE HIS FATHER GOD. The simple fact that Jesus was born in this earth through a woman made him a man, therefore he was 100 percent God and 100 percent man therefore fitting to save mankind from the hell (WHICH WAS CREATED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS!!! NOT FOR US PEOPLE GODS CREATION!!!!) Jesus did just that he died on the cross for you and me....every single sin you can imagine his blood was clean enough to WASH AWAY ETERNALLY...he was the last sacrifice and the worthy sacrifice...all the scrifices in the bible stopped after Jesus died because he handled business and all YOU GOTTA DO IS EXCEPT HIM!!!! just like MARY....JUST LIKE ADAM ( see GOD even gives us free will now). Your eternity is on the line. We only exist in time because we live on this earth but you will exist forever in eternity, its all about where you will s[pend your eternity! Heaven or Hell. The place for the Devil or your true home with God.
If you want to be saved from hell and all the possible garbage that could happen in this country...pm me and if you have any more question ask!!!! THIS IS SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD LOVES MANKIND AND SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTON SON TO DIE FOR THEM AND THAT MEANS YOU......WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE.......NOTHING THIS WORLD CAN OFFER CAN SAVE YOUR ETERNITY....................................N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
Who was he talkin too saying "LET US?" I'll explain.
GOD is one GOD. There are no other GODS besides him. GOD is also tri fold. There is GOD the father......There is GOD the son (JESUS) and then there is the HOLY SPIRIT. All three of them are GOD and all three are one.
If GOD made us in his image, wouldn't we be tri fold also???? YES!!..YES WE ARE. EVERY human being on this earth is tri fold or should I say consist of three parts of their being. You have your body, which is that flesh or skin you look upon in the mirror everyday, you have your SOUL which is your mind, will, and emotions, then you have you SPIRIT, which is the real you. When you die, your Spirit and soul will leave your body, and that is death...when the spirit leaves the body.
When GOD created mankind he made us with free will. Not only that, he even gave animals free will also. When you asked me how did the serpent turn evil if GOD made everything good, well here's why.
SATAN IS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN AND IS ON THE EARTH!!!! HE'S A SPIRIT! THE ONLY WAY A SPIRIT CAN HAVE EXPRESSION IN THE EARTH, IT HAS TO OPERATE THROUGH A BODY. (Think about that....the only way a spirit can have expression on earth is through a body..the only reason you are still alive functioning on this earth is because your spirit is still in your body...otherwise you would be dead) SATAN IS ANGRY AT GOD AND SEE'S THAT GOD HAS CREATED MAN IN HIS IMAGE AND THE FIRST WAS ADAM WHO WAS GIVEN A WOMAN BY THE NAME OF EVE TO BE WITH HIM AND HELP HIM ALSO. HE KNOWS GOD LOVES HIS CREATION, GOD EVEN GAVE THEM DOMINION OF THE ANIMALS AND THE EARTH AND TOLD THEM TO TAKE CARE OF IT. ANYTHING THAT GOD LOVES, HE HATES SO HE HATES MAN AND HE THINKS OF A WAY HE CAN MAKE THIS MAN FALL IN SIN LIKE HE DID SO GOD WOULD REJECT HIM AND LOSE WHAT HE LOVES.
Now! Since GOD gave dominion to ADAM over this Earth and that GOD gave Adam free will he could call the shots...Eve could call the shots also.....he gave his creation man the authority over everything and told them to touch and handle everything except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan was at work thinking of a way to getthem so he probably tried several animals but the serpent yielded his body to satan and allowed him to enter and thats how the serpent became wicked! Satans had full expression and interaction in the earth to get at Adam when the serpent allowed (the serpent had a choice because of his God given free will ) Satan to enter. He tricked Adam and Eve to eat the fruit and sin against GOD therefore Adam lost everything that he had, just how Satan lost everthing when he sinned as Lucifer but still the case for mankind is different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me tell u what happened as a result of the sin that Adam commited. Once Satan caused Gods creation to use their free will and choose to eat the fruit from the forbidden tree and mess up and sin against GOD he felt he won. God is perfect, he gave mankind free will to do what ever they want but if they sinned against him there would be a cost....Adam or Eve both could have told Satan to get out of there face bacause GOD gave them dominion and control over the earth and every creature...the serpent would have had no choice but to leave and therefore Satan withhim because he was inside the serpent. Basically GOD originally made man the god of this world. As a result of the sin Adam turned over his authority over to SATAN! As a result we all have to die. As a result every human being born is going to HELL because the choice they made transformed their perfect spirits that were alive to death and therefore they were spiritually dead because of their sin, and that just how everything you have came from your parents/family, as far as through birth like skin color, eye color, height...etc the sin Adam and Eve comitted was passed down to the spirits of everyone born after them because the were the first two people on earth....DOOMING US ALL!.............BUT!!! BUTT!!!! ITS NOT OVER YET!!!!!!!!!!
Ever since the sin was comitted God had a plan.....as a matter of fact even before the sin was comitted and before Adam or Eve or even the earth was created (Rev 13: GOD ALREADY HAD THE PLAN TOGETHER TO SAVE MANKIND.........THAT MEANS YYYYYOOOOOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!...AND ME AND EVERYONE WHO WILL BELIEVE IT!
EVERY PERSON after Adam including him had to sacrafice animals just to have their sins covered. All through the Old Testament of the bible you will read about sacrifices unto God. The thing was that the blood shed was not enough to save mankind....besides the only way to undo what a man messed up, and man had to fix!
This is wear the birth of Jesus comes in at! John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should NOT PERISH but have everlasting life. Just how I explained in our last conversation, God came to the virgin Mary and told her that she was going to have a child...and she excepted and it was done. (She had a choice...she could have refused GOD) Since she never had sex with a man to give birth to Jesus, he didn't have the sin in his spirit that all the rest of the people have that were born after Adam! He was clean and perfect LIKE HIS FATHER GOD. The simple fact that Jesus was born in this earth through a woman made him a man, therefore he was 100 percent God and 100 percent man therefore fitting to save mankind from the hell (WHICH WAS CREATED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS!!! NOT FOR US PEOPLE GODS CREATION!!!!) Jesus did just that he died on the cross for you and me....every single sin you can imagine his blood was clean enough to WASH AWAY ETERNALLY...he was the last sacrifice and the worthy sacrifice...all the scrifices in the bible stopped after Jesus died because he handled business and all YOU GOTTA DO IS EXCEPT HIM!!!! just like MARY....JUST LIKE ADAM ( see GOD even gives us free will now). Your eternity is on the line. We only exist in time because we live on this earth but you will exist forever in eternity, its all about where you will s[pend your eternity! Heaven or Hell. The place for the Devil or your true home with God.
If you want to be saved from hell and all the possible garbage that could happen in this country...pm me and if you have any more question ask!!!! THIS IS SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD LOVES MANKIND AND SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTON SON TO DIE FOR THEM AND THAT MEANS YOU......WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE.......NOTHING THIS WORLD CAN OFFER CAN SAVE YOUR ETERNITY....................................N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
@miggidy - you completely lost me.
@ 20 - "computer illiterate" that was LOVELY. I don't even need to follow you up on that. that was just perfect.
@HTB - you missed everything I said. everything CAN be calculated if you have control over the variables. your sarcasm made you look stupid. just because I can't calculate a result doesn't mean it can't be calculated. DUH! my ability to calculate a thing is a non issue to the plausibilty of it's calculation. I may be incapable of calculating how many refreshes my monitor does a second but that doesn't mean it can't be calculated. THINK!
Order doesn't need a deity to exist. the order of this universe can be a byporduct of an untold number of circumstances outside of the universe.
@ 20 - "computer illiterate" that was LOVELY. I don't even need to follow you up on that. that was just perfect.
@HTB - you missed everything I said. everything CAN be calculated if you have control over the variables. your sarcasm made you look stupid. just because I can't calculate a result doesn't mean it can't be calculated. DUH! my ability to calculate a thing is a non issue to the plausibilty of it's calculation. I may be incapable of calculating how many refreshes my monitor does a second but that doesn't mean it can't be calculated. THINK!
Order doesn't need a deity to exist. the order of this universe can be a byporduct of an untold number of circumstances outside of the universe.
THE REASON WHY *MANY* ATHEIST DONT KNOW/ACCEPT "GOD" IS BECAUSE THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF GOD (IM TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN/JUDEO GOD)
HERES A FINE EXAMPLE:
1. I ***SERIOUSLY*** DOUBT THAT *YOU* OR THE PERSON YOU ARE QUOTING CAN ELABORATE ON THE SHEMA.
2.IF YOU DO KNOW ABOUT THE SHEMA CAN YOU POST IT?
3.IF YOU DO KNOW ABOUT THE SHEMA CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFRENCES IN THE "WORD" ONE????
IT PAINS ME TO SEE PEOPLE DISCREDIT THINGS THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
PLEASE PICK UP A BIBLE ,READ AND STUDY IT FOR YOURSELF BEFORE YOU MAKE CRAZY ASSUMPTIONS AND POSTS. STAY AWAY FROM THE LATEST ATHIEST DOT COM SITE AND READ FOR YOURSELF.
AFTER THAT COME BACK AND REPORT *YOUR* FINDINGS.
IF NOT....
:h:
HERES A FINE EXAMPLE:
1. I ***SERIOUSLY*** DOUBT THAT *YOU* OR THE PERSON YOU ARE QUOTING CAN ELABORATE ON THE SHEMA.
2.IF YOU DO KNOW ABOUT THE SHEMA CAN YOU POST IT?
3.IF YOU DO KNOW ABOUT THE SHEMA CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFRENCES IN THE "WORD" ONE????
IT PAINS ME TO SEE PEOPLE DISCREDIT THINGS THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
PLEASE PICK UP A BIBLE ,READ AND STUDY IT FOR YOURSELF BEFORE YOU MAKE CRAZY ASSUMPTIONS AND POSTS. STAY AWAY FROM THE LATEST ATHIEST DOT COM SITE AND READ FOR YOURSELF.
AFTER THAT COME BACK AND REPORT *YOUR* FINDINGS.
IF NOT....
:h:
I dont have to do research on the author to know that statement you quoted is completely incorrect. " He showed the absurdity of trying to derive zero from and form of mass-energy, and then asked, rhetorically, if that meant the number zero was "unscientific." If so, did that mean that digital computers, which function in terms of ones and zeros, should be limited to just ones for scientific work? No trouble finding the absurity here."
I stated, "Computers use binary, ones and zeros, to represent electronic pulses. ON & OFF. It seems this author is computer illiterate."
Are you going to argue with me or can we agree that the "1's and 0's" represent electronic pulses?
I already stated, "Zero is a unit of measurement found within the language of mathematics."
Zero is not derived from nothing. It is a word that represents something in mathematics, in this case electronic pulses. Something this author fails miserably to grasp.
I stated, "Computers use binary, ones and zeros, to represent electronic pulses. ON & OFF. It seems this author is computer illiterate."
Are you going to argue with me or can we agree that the "1's and 0's" represent electronic pulses?
I already stated, "Zero is a unit of measurement found within the language of mathematics."
Zero is not derived from nothing. It is a word that represents something in mathematics, in this case electronic pulses. Something this author fails miserably to grasp.
"my ability to calculate a thing is a non issue to the plausibilty of it's calculation."
So someone else can calculate what the next winning lotto numbers are going to be with certainty? The statement that everything can be calculated is flat out false. In fact you yourself admit why somethings can not be calculated.
"Logically is a random happening really random or an event caused by an incomprehendable set of variables?"
Now I'm not sure what incomprehendable is but I will assume that you meant incomprehensible (correct me if I'm wrong). Now if we should assume that random events don't exist and instead they are just outcomes which are comprised of an incomprehensible set of variables (which I actually agree with) then since the events are caused by an incomprehensible set of variables it would be IMPOSSIBLE to calculate the result as the variables would have to be understood to complete the calculation. Why do you think the craps table is so long and they make you throw the dice against the back wall of the craps table? To take away your control of the variables (the way you hold the dice, how hard you throw them)--they add enough variables--in essence making every toss 'random'.
So someone else can calculate what the next winning lotto numbers are going to be with certainty? The statement that everything can be calculated is flat out false. In fact you yourself admit why somethings can not be calculated.
"Logically is a random happening really random or an event caused by an incomprehendable set of variables?"
Now I'm not sure what incomprehendable is but I will assume that you meant incomprehensible (correct me if I'm wrong). Now if we should assume that random events don't exist and instead they are just outcomes which are comprised of an incomprehensible set of variables (which I actually agree with) then since the events are caused by an incomprehensible set of variables it would be IMPOSSIBLE to calculate the result as the variables would have to be understood to complete the calculation. Why do you think the craps table is so long and they make you throw the dice against the back wall of the craps table? To take away your control of the variables (the way you hold the dice, how hard you throw them)--they add enough variables--in essence making every toss 'random'.
@ 20 - no I haven't but it has been recommended to me before. why do you ask?
@HTB - just because the variables are not in the grasp of a mans mind does not mean that it is not able to be calculated.
every event in the universe is a mathematical phenomenon.
mans inability to "comprehend" the variables causes the appearance of randomality.the mathematics involved in a situation can be repeated, but every _circumstance_ or constraint must be correct to have an exact repeated result.
randomness is isolated and nullified with the control over the constraints. control the constraints and randomality is null and void.
i.e. even in video games where it seems as if the computer is making random actions those actions if all the variables are in place can be exactly duplicated.
@basiccally I've had the discussion of touching zero with you and Vyasadeva before. WOW.
@HTB - just because the variables are not in the grasp of a mans mind does not mean that it is not able to be calculated.
every event in the universe is a mathematical phenomenon.
mans inability to "comprehend" the variables causes the appearance of randomality.the mathematics involved in a situation can be repeated, but every _circumstance_ or constraint must be correct to have an exact repeated result.
randomness is isolated and nullified with the control over the constraints. control the constraints and randomality is null and void.
i.e. even in video games where it seems as if the computer is making random actions those actions if all the variables are in place can be exactly duplicated.
@basiccally I've had the discussion of touching zero with you and Vyasadeva before. WOW.
@ 20 - no I haven't but it has been recommended to me before. why do you ask?
@HTB - just because the variables are not in the grasp of a mans mind does not mean that it is not able to be calculated.
every event in the universe is a mathematical phenomenon.
mans inability to "comprehend" the variables causes the appearance of randomality.the mathematics involved in a situation can be repeated, but every _circumstance_ or constraint must be correct to have an exact repeated result.
randomness is isolated and nullified with the control over the constraints. control the constraints and randomality is null and void.
i.e. even in video games where it seems as if the computer is making random actions those actions if all the variables are in place can be exactly duplicated.
@basiccally I've had the discussion of "touching zero" with you and Vyasadeva before. WOW. zero is the "absence of". absence can be found everywhere.
@HTB - just because the variables are not in the grasp of a mans mind does not mean that it is not able to be calculated.
every event in the universe is a mathematical phenomenon.
mans inability to "comprehend" the variables causes the appearance of randomality.the mathematics involved in a situation can be repeated, but every _circumstance_ or constraint must be correct to have an exact repeated result.
randomness is isolated and nullified with the control over the constraints. control the constraints and randomality is null and void.
i.e. even in video games where it seems as if the computer is making random actions those actions if all the variables are in place can be exactly duplicated.
@basiccally I've had the discussion of "touching zero" with you and Vyasadeva before. WOW. zero is the "absence of". absence can be found everywhere.