There is no GOD

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I guess it's up to the individual.
Some people can have faith with out seeing proof.
Others will believe once witnessing the evidence.

Then there's shallow minded people who will deny what they see with their own eyes....
 

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Then there's shallow minded people who will deny what they see with their own eyes....
actually have you ever been off shrooms, or a number of other drugs..some people hallucanate(sp) when there sober....sorry to tell you but sometimes what you see is not reality..your eyes and mind can play tricks
 
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actually have you ever been off shrooms, or a number of other drugs..some people hallucanate(sp) when there sober....sorry to tell you but sometimes what you see is not reality..your eyes and mind can play tricks
So BILLIONS of people are hallucinating? please tell me the secret on how I cannot hallucinate.

Please explain why a synchronicity is not reality.

While your at it show me zero.
 

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so there are billions of people that have seen god. have you what does he look like.
why do you keep saying show me zero. can you show me a negative number either. no. but we have defined this things as humans. have we defined god
 
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@Shep


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"My opinion as a strong atheist, is that we can in fact prove that god does not exist in the physical world. This document is my attempt to do so."


Then your attempt is a failure...
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"I think it makes most sense if god is female, because only women can give life. Something that even people in the Stone Age understood. Later when wars affected the cultural evolution, and men took control of society, god became male, but the female god still lives on in the expression "Mother earth". It should also be pointed out that an omnipotent god must be either androgyne or sexless"



God is known as the "seed-giving Father". His seed impregnated the womb of material nature and thus the universe became animate with life. It is also true that God is both genders and above them as well. But the role He plays is The Father.
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"Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?"



Your materialistic definition of "good" is not going to suffice. When God is referred to as being "good", it is to say that He is purely good. God is not contaminated by materialism, as are your conceptions. The "good-evil" conception is very relative and when one is to understand the transcendental position of God they know that He is, in fact, the author of this duality, as well as beyond it and free from its contamination. Also, God is not directly responsible for the materialistic desires of any living entity. Therefore, when one is to experience what he/she defines as "evil", it should be understood that these circumstances happen according to the entity's actions and/or desires developed due to their being conditioned under this material contamination. One either serves God, or they serve material nature. There is no other option.
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"We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil."



Once again, God is transcendentally good. God is not subject to duality. What people generally define as "evil" is based on material lamentation. As long as anyone serves material nature they will suffer. Now I will tell you God's intentions:
For the living entities to choose who or what they serve.
Once again, we are responsible for our suffering. We are the retarded child who keeps putting his/her hand on the stove burner. Sometimes the stove is off and everything is pleasant. And sometimes things are not so pleasant...
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"Another way to disprove the almighty god is that omnipotence leads to paradoxes. Can god make a rock that is too heavy for him to carry? Can god build a wall that even he can't tear down?



Then, if God is all-powerful, He should have an unlimited amount of weakness. LOL...
It is to say that if God is all-powerful He should be able to make something that limits His abilities. But this is proposterous. Sure, God may create a rock which He does not desire to be carried. But, God is not conditioned. He does not condition Himself. He is transcendental. God not conditioning Himself does not compromise His omnipotence. If, in fact, He was conditioned He would not be omnipotent.
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"Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. Thus god's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not omnipotent."



The past, the present and the future do not exist in the spiritual world. All things are done by God, *not* in a sequence of events as they are done in the material world. Your conceptions are contaminated by the idea that God exists in such a way. Your words show your ignorance:
"He must have known that from the very start of his own existence."
God does not exist within the confines of time. He never "started", nor will He end. The material world is constantly ending as you know it. Its animation is due to spirit. Spirit is eternal. Quite simple. The very base of your thoughts are under the influence of material nature, in this case, time. Once again, you either serve God or you serve material nature.
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@Shep (cont...)


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"Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and decisions one must act over time. If god stands above time he can not do that and has no free will. Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void!"



Unlike us, God, His actions, His form, His name, His word, etc., are one and the same. We are different from our bodies. We are different from our actions. We are different from our names. Our word is not absolute. God is all dimensions as well as above them. God does not require time to perform. All God's actions, being non-separate from God Himself, are done in the eternal now.
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"Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be omnipotent."



To have a free will does not conclude that God cannot know what choices shall be made. Nothing is free from God. But, God, knowing our desires, allows us to fullfill them. If our desires are to serve material nature by seeking out sense-gratification, He allows us to do that. He also knows that which you will do. There is both free will and an ultimate plan, as hard as that is to accept.
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"If everything must have been created, then god must have been created as well. If god is not created, then everything mustn't have a creator, so why should life or cosmos have one?"



Creation has to do with the material world. Life is not a product of material substance. Therefore, life, (or spirit), is not created, rather it is eternal. If God is spiritual then the whole concept that He must have been created is proposterous. Your logic is obviously influenced by material thought. Real knowledge consists of discriminating between matter and spirit. That is the basis of knowing anything. Material knowledge, in and of itself, may perhaps, give one temporary satisfaction or enlightenment. But, the emphasis is on TEMPORARY. Real knowledge is eternal and transcendental. As material perceptions always change with time, spiritual wisdom remains the same.
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"If everything has a source and god is that source, then god must have existed without it before he created it. So if god created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. If all life must come from something and that is god, god is not alive and hence non-existent. If moral must come from god, god lacks moral. If logic comes from god, god is illogic. If nature comes from god, god is unnatural. If existence comes from god, god is non-existent. If god is the cause of everything, god is void"


Simply put:
Yes, God is above all these things. This does not conclude that He is their opposite. This also does not conclude that God is "non-existent". God is not conditioned by material time and space, therefore He is above them. But it does not follow from this that God must be non-existent. All life is spirit; spirit is eternal. Life did not come from God in the sense of material creation. Your perception of what life is is based on the birth of the material body. Hence your logic is flawed to this endeavor. God being the source of morals would only mean that He is above morals. God being the source of material logic only means that He is above such logic. This whole "God lacking the such which He authorizes" is illogical.
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"A much better way to change the world is to do it yourself. Then you would know that it was you who made the world better. The effect of prayers are not scientific provable, whilst the effect of actions are. Instead of praying you should set to work at improving your situation. This is what humanism is about."


I agree that action is better than inaction. But, any action with a purely material endeavor is only done in ignorance. Upon just a moment of thought one will realize that all material things are temporary. If one is seeking to "improve their situation" by gaining more material things to better enjoy more material pleasure, they are obviously in ignorance. "Humanism" only knows the flesh body and cannot discriminate that from the life principle. Hence, all it's (humanism's) endeavors are in vain.
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"They somehow feel that their lives are meaningless without god, so they choose to close their eyes to evidence against the existence of god."



There is no evidence against the existence of God. You have not shown any. As I stated in the beginning:

"your attempt is a failure..."
 
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So BILLIONS of people are hallucinating? please tell me the secret on how I cannot hallucinate.

Please explain why a synchronicity is not reality.

While your at it show me zero.
Are you trying to say billions of people have seen god? If so I will laugh at you.

I dont understand why you keep asking this "show me zero" question. What are you getting at?
 
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define atheism.
I dont understand why your asking this question either. You know what it means, but anywayz...

Atheism
"a" = without, "theos" = god

Atheism is simply a lack, or absence, of belief in any deity.

George H. Smith, in his book "Atheism The Case Against God," broke it down even further. He classifies Atheists in two groups, "Implicit" and "Explicit" Atheists. An Implicit Atheist would be one who doesn't deny the possibility that the proposition "God exists" is true, but doesn't believe it to be true. It is also possible that this type of Atheist may never have been introduced to a god-belief; ergo, he would lack such a belief. He states that even children may be called Implicit Atheists and, according to his view, he wouldn't be dishonest in doing so; after all, young children lack any belief in God. The Explicit Atheist would be one who would strongly deny the proposition "God Exists" as being true. Some of these Atheist may deny this for emotional reasons and some may deny them on intellectual grounds, citing the lack of a proper defintion or any evidence in support of said proposition. In any event, the Explicit Atheist would be what some call a Strong Atheist.
 
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Where I am getting at with the zero question is. Where is zero. Zero does not exist. Yet an atheist with argue that there is NO God or Supreme Being. So baiscally saying there is ZERO Absoulte truth. Yet there is no emperical evidence for Zero. Yet the Atheist will argue when you die the lights turn out and thats it. Basically you die and there is zero.

I can't see zero yet it still exists right? so we,humans, do not SEE God. We experience God.

The Religious Hypotheis
1. eternal things are more real
2. your life now will be better if you belive in the second part.

see what I am getting at?
 
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He states that even children may be called Implicit Atheists and, according to his view, he wouldn't be dishonest in doing so; after all, young children lack any belief in God. The Explicit Atheist would be one who would strongly deny the proposition "God Exists" as being true.
I belived in God when I was a kid. I don't know where he is getting this information from. A lot of kids just lack the critical knowledge to fully comprehend or to argue. For the existence or lack there of. Kid's don't know better.
 
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XianeX said:
It's funny how we sometimes use words with out knowing their history or what they REALLY mean. :)

example, perfect: per-through or thorough
fect or fecto-made

hence anything that is complete is in essence perfect, so our constant strive to be perfect is in vain unless it is possible to be more complete than we already are.:classic:
 

Dosia

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Where I am getting at with the zero question is. Where is zero. Zero does not exist. Yet an atheist with argue that there is NO God or Supreme Being. So baiscally saying there is ZERO Absoulte truth
well....zero is a man made thing...we use it to define having nothing or being even with something...zero iwas created by man it is a word and definition of nothing...and every person knows what it is....so is god man made, how do you first find out about god.,,

im drunk as hell, took me 10 minute to write that
 
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Dosia said:


well....zero is a man made thing...we use it to define having nothing or being even with something...zero iwas created by man it is a word and definition of nothing...and every person knows what it is....so is god man made, how do you first find out about god.,,

im drunk as hell, took me 10 minute to write that
Sober up because I will ask you the same question HERESEY asked XaineX. Who is this "man" who created God, or "men" for that matter? Who is this genius(s) that are basically fooling, billions of people for millions of years? :rolleyes: Are they the "true" authors of all the holy texts?

It might take you more then ten minutes to find that answer.

Find him and I will belive you.
 
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Oyabun said:



example, perfect: per-through or thorough
fect or fecto-made

hence anything that is complete is in essence perfect, so our constant strive to be perfect is in vain unless it is possible to be more complete than we already are.:classic:
NICE!!!
 
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I can write a book tomorrow base it on everything any holy person said and claim it to be divine revelation.

by the end of the week i would have a cult following.

if the cult grows powerful enough it could convince cites and countries into believing I'm of importance and so is the book I wrote.

some of you religious dumbasses who can't see religion objectively would prolly convert to my way of thinking just because of popularity, and because it doesn't conflict with what you believe.

Man created the concept of god. NO OTHER SPECIES ON EARTH CONCERNS ITSELF WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD.

therefore the concept was originally drawn from some HUMAN'S imagination.

Do dogs fear god do monkeys fear god????
no they just live and they just die. why is it so hard for some of you to accept. is DEATH SOOOO horrible that you must cloud your rational senses with the notion of divine intervention?

one of the most popular sayings in the world is popular because of its simplistic truth

SHIT HAPPENS!

there is no need for a REASON FOR EXISTING. If mankind was crushed today will the universe still exist? is your god so inept lonely and vain that he needs YOU to worship him??? COME ONE!

if mankind was wiped from the face of the planet what woul your god do??? LOL.

If god is one and there is one way to serve him why would he allow BILLIONS of deities to be? if god was all powerful why can't he control what goes on??? why would god care about man's choice if he doesn't need to. if god knows controls and is everything him putting man through futile test is just cruel because he KNOWS the outcome.

THINK

Is it THAT hard to accept reality?
 
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if mankind was wiped from the face of the planet what woul your god do??? LOL.
Well if you think about it from the Atheist view or the Darwin view for that matter. If this world was made by "random chance" don't you think the likelihood that the earth would spin off it's axis in to the black abyss? Random chance produces random results. If you look at it objectively one could see the order in which this earth and this universe was made.

Oh yeah, another thing about zero.

Ex nihlo ex nihlo fit.

Translation. Nothing comes from nothing. In your life have you seen something pop out of thin air? has anyone? yet you still belive....

if god knows controls and is everything him putting man through futile test is just cruel because he KNOWS the outcome.
what is wrong with it? how is it cruel?

Man created the concept of god. NO OTHER SPECIES ON EARTH CONCERNS ITSELF WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD.
Of course not. Humans are the only rational life on the earth. Were a questioning animal. As for a bee for instance. His life is to go to flower to flower and gather necter. It doesn't question, WHY it is doing this. This is just the nature of a bee. Same can be said for humans. It is human nature to question and make sense of this world.

 
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X, you keep saying that man "created the concept of God". Where is your proof of this?

Have you ever heard the phrase "there is nothing new under the sun"? It is stating the obvious, which is that there is nothing "new", there is nothing we can "create" which was not existing prior to our existence. God included. Man did not "create the concept" of God. It is simply that man is given the ability to ponder and question and rationally inquire into the subject of the Absolute.

Every living being which is born is composed of elements which where existing prior to it's birth. Every structure or object we "create" is simply a manipulation of previously existing materials.

Have you ever seen something spontaneously *poof* into existence? Similarly, the concept that there is a Supreme Being, did not just *poof* into someone's mind at some point. The concept is eternal because God is eternal.
 

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FEED MY EYES CAN YOU SEW THEM SHUT
JESUS CHRIST DENY YOUR MAKER
HE WHO TRIES WILL BE WASTED
FEED MY EYES NOW YOU'VE SEWN THEM SHUT
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can you sew them shut?

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deny your maker.

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will be wasted.

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Now, you've sewn them shut.

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