THE RACE WAR.

HERESY · Mar 13, 2003

@the person who i talked to earlier. you were right he did pull the past/present to worm his way out....lmao..good one.

@916

apology is not needed nor is it accepted. you CONTINUE to do shit like this. you have done it over and over in MANY threads.

how many times have i said we need to be educated and we need to look within ourselves first? you are beating a dead horse.

thats because YOU look at it as CONFLICT and opposition. start taking YOUR advice. stop assuming stop jumping to conclusions.

well you have already done so. many times in this thread. you have accused me of things,said i was this,called me that etc etc etc.

actually your speaking about a subject you know very little about.

its not needed because you continue to do it.

yes you are.

stop!!! do you THINK that i give a rats ass about the matrix or some idiot named cypher?!? wake the hell up man and snap back to reality. i could give a damn about the matrix or cypher. stop coming with this hollywood bullshit and back the stuff you say. listen (read) for a sec.....

STOP TELLING ME ABOUT FANTASY WORLD! instead of telling me about people who fought for civil rights and people who endorse separatism you are telling me about a movie.......:dead:

who are you trying to point these things out to? me? I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT WE ARE MORE THAN FLESH AND BLOOD. BROKEN RECORD LET ME REPEAT MYSELF...BROKEN RECORD LET ME REPEAT MYSELF...BROKEN RECORD LET ME REPEAT MYSELF...BROKEN RECORD LET ME REPEAT MYSELF...

AND YOU SAY YOUR NOT JUDGING.

I WILL.

Eph 6:12

YOU ARE TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE DESTRUCTION OF PEOPLE.

yippie!

how do you see it?

thats like the fourth time you have mentioned karma. if it doesnt benefit you stop.

no on the contrary i believe that maybe you have had certain groups of people kicking your ass over the years. as time progressed you became accustomed to it and people accepted you (this is all speculation). what i am saying is that YOU do NOT experience the SAME degree of racism as I do. your skin color allows you PRIVILAGES in SOCIETY. my skin color does not.

2 LONG STUDIO SESSIONS. I WILL GET TO IT AFTER I REPLY TO YOUR OTHER MADNESS.

:H:

HERESY · Mar 13, 2003

OK WE'LL SEE.

OK.

TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR POSTS MAN. NOW DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS WHEN SOMEONE ISNT READING SOMETHING? WHEN SOMEONE ACCUSES YOU OF THINGS YOU HAVE NOT DONE OR SAID?

I KNEW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY PAST AND PRESENT TENSE. I ACTUALLY HAD AN AOL MESSENGER CONVO WITH SOMEONE ABOUT THE POSTINGS. EVEN BEFORE YOU REPLIED.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VERIFY THE CONVO AND TALK TO THE PERSON PERSONALLY IT CAN HAPPEN.....

KEEP DANCING PAVLOV#2

:h:

HERESY · Mar 13, 2003

1.YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR VIEWS ABOUT ***ME*** IN THIS THREAD.

2.TAKE A PEEP AT THE HELL THREAD (A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF YOU CHANGING YOUR POSITION).

"cause this is my united states of whatever......my united states of whatever....."

THIS IS A BY PRODUCT OF RACISM!!!!! IF IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED IN TEH FIRST PLACE HE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS MENTALITY!!!

my united states of whatever......

what do you mean by im portraying the example? are you implying that i hold this mentality and feel its right? or that i hit it right on the head and it clarifies your example?

he is tainted by it because of OPRESSION. IF HE HAD NOT been OPRESSED HE WOULD NOT HAVE THESE VIEWS. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ROLE REVERSAL AND PLACING THE BLAME OF THE OPRESSER ON THE OPRESSED...

I UNDERSTAND CLEARLY. I CANT SPEAK FOR ANYONE ON THE BOARD. NEITHER SHOULD YOU. ESPECIALLY WHEN A PERSON SAYS THEY AGREE WITH YOU AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND YOU. SEE YOU WANT ME TO SEE IT THROUGH *YOUR* EYES. I CAN ONLY LOOK AT IT THROUGH YOUR LENSES FOR SO LONG....AFTER THAT THE VISION GETS BLURRY....SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE WHY DONT YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING (I HAVE AGREED WITH YOU ON MOST OF YOUR STATEMENTS).

INSTEAD ITS YOU WHO HOLD THE "DUALITY" IN FACT EVIDENCE OF THAT IS IN YOUR *FIRST* REPLY TO THIS THREAD......

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS TOPIC THAT YOU THINK I DONT UNDERSTAND?

YOU DONT GET THE STATEMENT DO YOU?

1.IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT I MEANT BY THAT WHY WOULD YOU LAUGH?

2.IF YOU DO KNOW WHAT I MEANT PLEASE EXPLAIN IT.

AND THIS IS MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER.....

MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER.....

IF YOU SAY SO.....

ITS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE DOING IT.

HOW DO I NOT TOUCH ON THE BASIS OF THE PROBLEM? CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE ME DO THESE THINGS?

1.I HAVE SAID THAT WE ARE ALL HUMAN

2.I HAVE SAID THAT WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT IN MANY ASPECTS BUT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND LEARN FROM THEM. THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THEM AND USE THEM TO BRIDGE THE GAP AND TEACH ONE ANOTHER. THAT REGARDLESS OF A PERSONS COLOR THE PROBLEM IS ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL AND THAT WE NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES FIRST?

HOW DOES THE FIRE REMAIN WHEN TEH PERSON WALKS AWAY WITH INTEREST AND WANTS TO HAVE A RENEWAL OF MIND INSTEAD OF A REPROBATE MIND? HOW DO YOU KNOW TEH FIRE REMAINS WHEN YOU DONT KEEP IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE???? IN FACT YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THEM.....APPLY MY PREVIOUS 1 AND 2 TO THIS ALSO.

YEAH.....UUUH HUH.

IF THEY DONT LIVE A POSITIVE LIFE OR AT LEAST TRY TO I WILL TALK TO THEM TO SEE IF I CAN HELP THEM IN SOME AREAS. IF THEY ARE NOT OPEN TO THE HELP WELL...I MOVE ON. IF THEY DONT LOVE GOD I STILL HAVE A DUTY TO LOVE THEM AND NOT TREAT THEM WRONG. IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.

1.I HAVE A DEDICATION TO GOD AND HIS PEOPLE.

2.I HAVE A DEDICATION TO MY FAMILY.

3.I HAVE A DEDICATION TO MY RACE AND HERITAGE.

4.I HAVE A DEDICATION TO THE PEOPLE I NETWORK WITH AND THOSE WHO ARE POSITIVE.

YOU ARE A SLAVE TO IT IF IT BINDS YOU. "IM WHITE I CANT BE SEEN WITH YOU BECAUSE YOUR BLACK".

"IM BLACK I DONT WANT TO HAVE DINNER WITH AN ASIAN"

HOWEVER IM NOT BOUND BY IT. STOP BEATING THE HORSE.

Al-Kaholik · Mar 13, 2003

Somewhat off topic but since were on the topic of racism I believe that it starts at home, if your a child and your parents are always talking about "spic" this "nigger" that etc your most likely gonna be influenced by that in some way or another...take me for example, my parents arent racist whatsoever, and i'm not racist whatsoever...but i've met other people who have pretty racist parents and it seems to have influenced them...for example..if a bunch of newborns had their parents and all older influences completely disappear all of a sudden (Dont ask me how they would survive lets just assume they did) I dont believe that race would be an issue whatsoever.

HERESY · Mar 13, 2003

SO STOP SAYING THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND.

THANKS FOR THE WARNING ABOUT NOT FALLING TO IT BUT....I DONT.....AND I WONT.....CULTURE IS AN EXTENSION OF YOUR BEING AND HELPS MAKE YOU *YOU*. LIKE YOUR ***EXPERIENCES*** HELPED TO MOLD YOU AND CREATE WHAT YOU ARE TODAY. SAME WITH CULTURE. THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU WERE EXPOSED TO,THE DIFFERENT FOODS,MUSIC,BOOKS ETC ETC ETC. ALL OF THESE THINGS HELP COMPRISE YOU TO SOME EXTENT.

FIRST YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH YOURSELF. WHEN YOU SHARE IT WITHYOURSELF YOU CAN DO SO WITH OTHERS. WHEN YOU DO SO WITH OTHERS YOU CAN TEAR DOWN WALLS AND CRUSH STEREOTYPES.

I HAVE BEEN AGREEING WITH YOU ON A LOT OF ISSUES. LIKE IM AGREEING NOW.

KUSH AND INDIA. YOU WILL FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

WHEN YESHUA SPOKE OF BEING "REBORN" HE DID NOT SPEAK OF PHYSICAL REBIRTH. HE SPOKE OF REBIRTH OF YOUR *MIND* HEART AND DEED. THIS FLESH BODY IS A SHELL. THE *REAL* ME IS INSIDE.

I AGREE.

NO YOU DONT NEED IT IN ORDER FOR *YOU* TO REALIZE THE TRUTH. HOWEVER IT MAY BE NEEDED SO YOU CAN HELP ***THEM*** REALIZE THE TRUTH. SEE ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT *US* AND OUR TRUTH. ITS NOT ABOUT IF WE HAVE IT ALL OR IF WE THINK WE HAVE OR KNOW IT ALL. ITS ABOUT ***SPREADING*** IT AROUND. MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND SOMEONES CULTURE,HISTORY,BACKGROUND ETC ETC ETC I *GURANTEE* THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HELP MEND ISSUES AND WOUNDS MORE EFFECTIVELY.

IF PROBLEMS EXIST YOU CAN SPEAK WITH THE ALIEN. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE THINGS IN COMMON OR YOU CAN RELATE TO CERTAIN SITUATIONS THE ALIEN HAS BEEN THROUGH.

BASICALLY IT BOILS DOWN TO:

"I NOW HAVE REVELATION ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR STRUGGLE AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH. MY EYES ARE OPENED I SEE WHAT OTHERS WERE SAYING ABOUT YOU WERE 100% FALSE. I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE AND THE ADVANCEMENTS THEY HAVE MADE. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS AND WHY YOU FEEL A CERTAIN WAY. NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A NEW OUTLOOK AND I WONT FEAR TALKING TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU. I CAN HELP BREAK DOWN THE WALLS AND SHOW THAT PERSON THAT I MEAN THEM NO HARM. IF THEY ARE CLOSED MINDED AND WANT TO LIVE IN A BOX I KNOW THAT NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE LIKE THEM."

WHEN YOU ROB SOMEONE OF CULTURE YOU ROB THEM OF INDIVIDUALITY. YOU BREAK THEM DOWN AND STRIP THEM OF MANY THINGS. THIS IS A CASE OF RACISM.

THIS HAS HAPPENED TO AFRICANS.

ROBBED OF LANGUAGE,CULTURE,GOD AND LOVE.

WHO CAN YOU IDENTIFY WITH? HUMANS? HUMANS DONT LOVE YOU........

:h:

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 13, 2003

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"WHEN YOU ROB SOMEONE OF CULTURE YOU ROB THEM OF INDIVIDUALITY. YOU BREAK THEM DOWN AND STRIP THEM OF MANY THINGS. THIS IS A CASE OF RACISM."

I am not attempting to rob anyone of anything... but you know this already.
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I understand that is good to know about other cultures to reconcile differences between people on a relative level. When I speak of more absolute truths I am not implying that you, personally, do not understand this.

Both of what each of us is saying is true...

You think culture is important for the individual and needs to be understood to "break down these walls" between people.

I have been merely stating that one should not be bound by what is perceived as "their" culture.

Your view is a more relative one, as mine is more absolute. They both go hand in hand. But, it is crucial that everyone understands the absolute viewpoint as well as the relative. Many will actually see their culture as an absolute concept and will be bound by it. I am not stating that you are this way. I do not mean to "beat a dead horse". It just seems that you, for a time, were throwing what I was saying out the window. But, now I see that we agree...

Tenkamenin · Mar 14, 2003

HERESY said:

The sad thing is that a good amount of black culture in America is really black inferiority to whites. For example how did chittlings come to be apart of black culture in America? This goes back to slavery when the whites wouldn't let there slaves eat the good part of the pig, so they gave them the intestines which had shit inside of it. Thats an example right there....

Race can be defined as....

"A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.

A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group."

I have no problem with one identifying themselves by there race. You should be PROUD of your race and who you are. One should not suffer discrimination because of there race. Be proud of every little thing about you, if people of your race have dark skin be proud of that dark skin, if people apart of your race have curly hair be proud of it. However do not be I G N O R A N T and discriminate someone because of there race......

In my opinion denying my race is really denying apart of myself, if I do not see myself as an African what am I? My history, nationality, story telling shapes who I am as a person....

HERESY · Mar 14, 2003

In my opinion denying my race is really denying apart of myself, if I do not see myself as an African what am I? My history, nationality shapes, story telling basically my culture shapes who I am as a person....

thats what im trying to tell 916.

:H:

Tenkamenin · Mar 14, 2003

HERESY said:

LOL!! There has definitly been a lot of running around in this thread...

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 15, 2003

quote:
"The sad thing is that a good amount of black culture in America is really black inferiority to whites. For example how did chittlings come to be apart of black culture in America? This goes back to slavery when the whites wouldn't let there slaves eat the good part of the pig, so they gave them the intestines which had shit inside of it. Thats an example right there...."

Nothing HAS to be "your" culture. If you wish to keep chittlings in your culture, whatever. You seem to have issues of attachment. If it is holding you back, let it go...
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quote:
"I have no problem with one identifying themselves by there race. You should be PROUD of your race and who you are. One should not suffer discrimination because of there race. Be proud of every little thing about you, if people of your race have dark skin be proud of that dark skin, if people apart of your race have curly hair be proud of it. However do not be I G N O R A N T and discriminate someone because of there race......"

Some people get too proud and become ignorant, discriminating someone else because of their race. Some people become to attached to bodily conception. I have heard Heresy speak of "crucifying the flesh". Perhaps he should realize that his attachment to his physical appearance and conceived culture are acting contrary to this statement. No one is saying you should be ashamed of appearing the way you do. It seems obvious that the reason anyone would want to glorify the color of their skin would be for their defense against those who seem to want to oppress them because of it. I understand this is the reason things are the way they are, today. But, that does not justify our suffering in racist thought. Unfortunately there is not one person you can point the finger at, and there is no one group you can point the finger at either. But we continue to point the finger at these "groups". ie: "If it wasn't for those *white* people who oppressed those *black* people, we wouldnt have all this racism". Therefore, you are saying that it must be "white" people's fault for the "black" man's condition today. Believe whatever you want, but as long as you keep it conceived in your head, a "group vs group" thing, you are adhering to racist thought....
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quote:
"In my opinion denying my race is really denying apart of myself, if I do not see myself as an African what am I? My history, nationality, story telling shapes who I am as a person...."

To say that it "shapes you as a person" is your attachment to your physical body. Heresy feels that to "break down these walls" between people of different nationalities, we must learn each other's cultural background. But, it is obvious that as long as we keep everyone's culture exclusive to their specific nationality, we will NEVER reconcile our differences. We must learn to let go of the things which bind us. ie: chittlings. If in mind you feel this cultural conception of "black" people eating chittlings is a bad thing, let it go. It could not be any simpler than that. YOU ARE NOT BOUND BY CHITTLINGS...abrakadabra, poof! Now if anyone tries to tell you about "your" tradition of eating chittlings, just giggle a little and keep growing. The first thing we need to do as people is to stop glorifying our skin color and holding on to our culture so selfishly. There will never be a coming together of a selfish people. Selfish people are those who isolate themselves from everyone else by conceptions of "my culture", "my traditions". "And anyone else who does not fit the STEREOTYPE of what I conceive as MY culture, cannot adhere to it or even be a part of it". I, personally do not need permission to freely roam into any cultural traditions I wish. I do not feel the need to bind myself into conceptions of "my" culture. Unfortunately, most people today are not ready to let go of these false limitations. They are pressured with peer influences of "be yourself", as if adhering to a cultural tradition of another who is stereotyped in a *separate* culture than you is NOT "being yourself".

HERESY · Mar 15, 2003

i agree and this is not right.

it has nothing to do with forgetting your culture and background. it has to do with the renewing of mind and abandoning SIN.

only in your eyes. nothing is contrary my friend. who is ATTACHED????????? HAVENT YOU SAW ME SAY THAT WE ARE COMPRISED OF MORE THAN FLESH? HAVE I SAID THAT OUR CULTURE MAKES US WHO WE ARE 100%? NO. HAVE I SAID THAT IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO OUR MAKE UP AND WHO WE ARE?

SO STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO CAST IT OFF.

GIVE GLORY TO GOD THAT HE MADE YOU WHAT YOU ARE. PALE SKIN,BIG LIPS,STRAIGHT HAIR CROOKED TEETH WHATEVER.

WHY DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THIS SHIT????/ WHO HAS SAID THAT IT IS JUSTIFIED??? I HAVE SAID IT OVER AND OVER THAT I DONT AGREE WITH IT AND THAT ITS NOT JUSTIFIED. TENK HASNT SAID IT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESTRUCTION OF AFRICA AND THE AMERICAS I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE.

IF SLAVERY HAD NOT OCCURED YOU WOULD NOT HAVE AMERICA. IF SLAVERY HAD OCCURED AFRICA WOULD NOT BE IN TEH SHAPE IT IS NOW. IF SLAVERY HAD NOT OCCURED YOU WOULD NOT HAVE APPRX 11 MILLION BODIES IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. IF THE EVENT HAD NEVER OCCURED AND NO INTERACTION BETWEEN EUROS AND AFRIKANS EVER HAPPENED HOW WOULD WE HAVE RACISM IN AMERICA?????

THE BLACK MAN WOULD NOT BE IN AMERICA (EXCEPT WHEN AFRIKANS SAILED THOUSANDS OF YEARS EARLIER) IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR SLAVERY. MOST "BLACKS" ARE THE PRODUCT OF ***THREE*** "GROUPS" OR RACES OR CREEDS (PLEASE DONT GET HUNG UP ON THIS 916).

AFRICAN
NATIVE
WHITE

THE "BLACK MAN" WOULD NOT EVEN BE IN EXISTENCE.

AND THIS SI MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER.......

THIS IS NOT TRUE. YOUR EXPERIENCES,BACKGROUND AY OF LIFE,MENTALITY CULTURE ETC ETC ETC CONTRIBUTE TO WHO YOU ARE. YOU CAN ACCEPT THIS AND *NOT* BE ATTACHED TO THE PHYSICAL WHAT YOU CAN DO IS ***ACKNOWLEDGE IT*** BUT **NOT** LET IT PROHIBIT YOU FROM DEALING WITH OTHERS WHO MIGHT BE LABLED "DIFFERENT".

UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHTS AND HARDSHIPS OF OTHERS. THAT WAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ***WHY*** A PERSON FEELS A CERTAIN WAY ABOUT YOU (ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING). UNDERSTAND THE PERSONS CULTURE AND BACKGROUND SO WE CAN *SHARE* AND *LEARN*. THAT WAY WE CAN SEE THAT WE ARE SIMILAR IN MANY ASPECTS. THIS HELPS REMOVE STEREOTYPES AND ANY PRECONCEIVED THOUGHTS.

WHEN YOU LEARN ABOUT SOMEONE ELSES CULTURE THAT KNOWLEDGE IS NO LONGER EXCLUSIVE TO THEM. YOU HAVE IT NOW AND YOU CAN TEACH OTHERS ABOUT IT. ONCE AGAIN THIS REMOVES STEREOTYPES AND OPENS TEH DORR FOR BETTER RACE RELATIONS.

HOW CAN YOU SIMPLY LET IT GO WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND IT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT TENK SAID WHEN HE TYPED THIS:

IN OTHER WORDS TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE PERSONS STUPIDITY.....JUST SHUCK AND JIVE RIGHT???? WHY NOT EDUCATE THE PERSON ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT????? ESPCIALLY IF THIS PERSON BELIEVES EVERY STEREOTYPE UNDER THE SUN?????

NO THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT OURSELVES AND RECONCILE WITH THOSE WE HAVE HARMED. WHO IS HOLDING ONTO CULTURE SO SELFISHLY????

HOW ARE THEY THE OTHER PERSONS CULTURE AND TRADITIONS IF THE OTHER PERSON DOESNT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT THE TRADITION OR CULTURE??? ITS OK TO SAY THIS IS "MY" CULTURE. THIS IS WHAT MY PEOPLE HAVE DONE. WERE LATINOS BROUGHT FROM AFRICA???? OF COURSE NOT. ITS SELFISH IF A PERSON ISOLATES AND REFUSES TO LET OTHERS KNOW ABOUT THE TRADITIONS AND CULTURES. ITS NOT SELFISH IF THE PERSON SHARES AND EDUCATES. ITS NOT *EVERYONES* CULTURE IF EVERYONE HASNT EXPERIENCED IT OR HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

WHO IS SAYING THAT???? IM SAYING TO SHARE. IF I SAY "A BLACK MAN INVENTED PEANUT BUTTER HERE HAVE SOME" IS THAT WRONG? AM I NOT TELLING THE TRUTH? IF I SAY "A BLACK MAN PEANUT BUTTER AND SINCE YOUR WHITE YOU CANT HAVE IT" IS THAT RIGHT? OF COURSE NOT.

1.WHO SAID YOU DID?

2.YOU HAVE YET TO TELL ME 10-15 NAMES OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS WHO WERE IN CONTRADICTION.

THATS GREAT. HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MY PAST,MY PEOPLE AND THE ACCOMPLIEHMENTS THEY DID. I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OTHERS AS WELL.

ACTUALLY SELF AWARENESS IS A GOOD THING.

SEE THE ABOVE.

:h:

PS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT "US VS THEM" YET I CAN NAME TWO OCCASIONS WERE YOU MADE IT V AND 916 VERSUS HERESY. IN FACT I HAD TO ASK YOU TO *NOT* DO IT.

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 15, 2003

quote:
"THIS IS NOT TRUE. YOUR EXPERIENCES,BACKGROUND AY OF LIFE,MENTALITY CULTURE ETC ETC ETC CONTRIBUTE TO WHO YOU ARE. YOU CAN ACCEPT THIS AND *NOT* BE ATTACHED TO THE PHYSICAL WHAT YOU CAN DO IS ***ACKNOWLEDGE IT*** BUT **NOT** LET IT PROHIBIT YOU FROM DEALING WITH OTHERS WHO MIGHT BE LABLED "DIFFERENT"."

Ok, then what happens to your conceptions of "my culture" once it has been shared and understood by all? Does it then become indistinguishable from the idea of "my" culture? Is it now a part of "everyone's" culture? I strongly feel that you, among many others, would not be satisfied with this and would rather continue to glorify it as "your" culture. If we were to all share culture as the human race, a lot of you who hold so dearly to yourselves your cultural background, would deny people of this because you are attached to what has been labeled "yours".
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quote:
"HOW ARE THEY THE OTHER PERSONS CULTURE AND TRADITIONS IF THE OTHER PERSON DOESNT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT THE TRADITION OR CULTURE??? ITS OK TO SAY THIS IS "MY" CULTURE. THIS IS WHAT MY PEOPLE HAVE DONE."

Your conception of "my culture" is based on you stereotyping yourself into a group of people you call "black". You are free from this bondage... realize this.
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"WERE LATINOS BROUGHT FROM AFRICA???? OF COURSE NOT. ITS SELFISH IF A PERSON ISOLATES AND REFUSES TO LET OTHERS KNOW ABOUT THE TRADITIONS AND CULTURES. ITS NOT SELFISH IF THE PERSON SHARES AND EDUCATES. ITS NOT *EVERYONES* CULTURE IF EVERYONE HASNT EXPERIENCED IT OR HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT."

And with the sharing and educating comes the responsibility of letting go of your conception of "my" culture. Otherwise you are not sharing, but remaining to isolate what is "yours" from everyone else.
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"IF I SAY "A BLACK MAN INVENTED PEANUT BUTTER HERE HAVE SOME" IS THAT WRONG? AM I NOT TELLING THE TRUTH?"

Truth, abiding under the racist conception of the "black" man.
In a truth free from this bondage, the coloration of this man's skin has nothing to do with his invention. The only reason he is identified as a "black" man, is because he has been stereotyped that way. You already understand this, I know. But, by your words, you still choose to educate people while you still abide under racist conceptions. Teach people first the fundamental reality which over-rides this stereotype.
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"IF I SAY "A BLACK MAN PEANUT BUTTER AND SINCE YOUR WHITE YOU CANT HAVE IT" IS THAT RIGHT? OF COURSE NOT."

No, because the color of skin has no direct relation to the invention of peanut butter, PERIOD.
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quote:
"THATS GREAT. HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MY PAST,MY PEOPLE AND THE ACCOMPLIEHMENTS THEY DID. I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OTHERS AS WELL."

"your" past, residing only within this physical life, (cuz I know you don't adhere to reincarnation), is everything involving you since your birth.

"your" people are not "YOUR" PEOPLE. They do not belong to you.

This is "YOUR" stereotype.

"YOUR" attachment.
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"ACTUALLY SELF AWARENESS IS A GOOD THING."

self as in "false ego", is already completely known to all people.

Self as in the true spiritual self is what needs to be focused on. This spiritual self is far beyond race, culture, skin color, likes, dislikes, etc... These are all illusions that bind us into conceptions of a "race war". Some people choose to fight or "educate" within the illusion... Yet others see transcendentally and attempt to teach others the same transcendental knowledge.
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"PS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT "US VS THEM" YET I CAN NAME TWO OCCASIONS WERE YOU MADE IT V AND 916 VERSUS HERESY. IN FACT I HAD TO ASK YOU TO *NOT* DO IT."

No, YOU made it that way. YOU adhere to this conception. And YOU have shown it, even in that thread.

In that particular thread you were arguing your half against the whole that V and I were speaking of. It was never a "versus" thing on our parts because we were not debating with you same level truths. You were plotting your relative view against a more absolute one. The seed of the apple feels he is arguing against the apple. But the apple itself does not see it that way. The apple's knowledge is transcendental of the seed's relative existence and *biased* conceptions of reality. Therefore the apple doesn't see it as right versus wrong. The apple sees it as his attempt at enlightening the seed to greater truths.
The mere fact that YOU even conceived my words as an "us versus you" thing proves that your mentality still resides under this duality.

HERESY · Mar 15, 2003

AT THAT TIME IT BECOMES *OUR* CULTURE. WHY? BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO IT. HOWEVER ITS STILL *MINE* (BUT NOT JUST EXCLUSIVE TO ME). IT HASNT LEFT ME,THE EXPERIENCES HAVENT LEFT ME.

SEE THE ABOVE.

1.WHO CARES HOW YOU FEEL?
2.WHY WOULD I FEEL LIKE THIS WHEN I AM CONSTANTLY SAYING TO SHARE YOUR CULTURE,BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCES WITH OTHERS SO THEY MAY BE DUCATED AND ENLIGHTENED TO YOUR STRUGGLES???????3.YOUR FEELINGS ARE BASED ON YOUR ***FEELINGS***. YOUR FEELINGS ARE YOURS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THEM. I FEEL THAT YOU ARE AN IDIOT (I REALLY FEEL THIS) WHO GOES IN CIRCLES,FAILS TO READ POSTS AND MAKES ACCUSTATIONS THAT ARE FALSE.....IN FACT I HAVE SHOWN TIME AND TIME THAT YOU DO THESE THINGS.YOU EVEN APOLOGIZE FOR THEM....

OURS. JUST LIKE THE WHITE PEOPLE WHO DIED HELPING BLACKS VIEWED IT AS "OUR STRUGGLE".

YOU CANT SAY TO SHARE IT ALL AS "HUMAN" BECAUSE THAT ROBS THE PERSON OF INDIVIDUALITY. NOT ONLY THAT BUT NOT ALL HUMANS HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING.

YES I HOLD MY CULTURE DEAR TO ME. IHAVE A RIGHT TO. HOWEVER I DONT LET IT RESTRICT ME. I HOLD GOD DEAR TO ME YET I AM NOT GOVERNED BY CHURCH. RESPECT IT AND LEARN IT.

AND YOU ARE HUMAN YET YOU CALL YOURSELF THAT.ISNT IT A LABEL? ISNT NINEWUNSIXX A LABEL THAT YOU USE TO LET OTHERS KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND TO ID YOU? WHEN I SEE YOUR NAME I ID YOU AS THE IDIOT WHO POSTS ON THE SICCNESS AND HE IS FROM THE AREA CODE OF 916.

I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES (ESPECIALLY IN THIS THREAD) THAT I AM COMPRISED OF MORE THAN FLESH AND CULTURE. THAT I AM COMPRISED OF SPIRIT/SOUL ALSO.YOU WILL REALIZE THIS WHEN YOU READ THE POSTS INSTEAD OF SELECTIVE READING.

WHEN IT COMES TO YOU ITS STILL *YOUR* CULTURE. IT CAN BE THE OTHER PERSONS. IF ITS "OURS" ITS STILL "YOURS". IS IT WRONG TO CALL A ROTTWEILER A DOG? NO. IS IT WRONG TO CALL A DOG A WHIPPET?

IF I BUY A MOTORCYCLE. AND AFTER I BUY THE MOTERCYCLE YOU COME TO ME AND ASK TO RIDE IT IS IT YOURS? YES. I STILL OWN IT BUT WHEN YOU ARE RIDING IT YOU ARE IN CONTROL AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. IF YOU WREAK IT YOU PAY.

IF I BUY A HOME AND I RENT OUT THE ROOMS ARE THE ROOMS MINE? YES THEY ARE. ARE THEY THE ROOMS OF THE RENTERS? YES IT IS.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ME SAYING THAT A BLACK MAN DID IT. ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS THE TRUTH. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A RACIST CONCEPTION. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF A PARTICULAR HUMAN BEING WHO HAPPENS TO BE BLACK WHO HAPPENS TO BE A MALE.

STEREO TYPED BY WHO? DO YOU REALIZE THAT WE ARE ALL HUMANS YET WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME? IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL APPEARENCE EITHER.

YOU HAVENT EDUCATED ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING. I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MAJORITY OF STUFF YOU ARE TYPING "YOU YOU YOU".

WHY DONT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR POSTS AND SEE HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME OF DOING THINGS I CLEARLY AM NOT DOING OR HOLDING A VIEW THAT I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT I DONT HOLD???

SO BY THAT SAME TOKEN WHY CANT I LET YOU HAVE SOME BECAUSE OF YOUR SKIN COLOR?

I DONT ADHERE TO REINCARNATION. MY PAST IS THE PAST OF MY PEOPLE. THE PAST OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALSO.

DO SHEEP BELONG TO THE SHEPARD? DO I BELONG TO GOD? IS HIS LOVE EXTENDED TO ALL? MY PEOPLE ARE MY PEOPLE. THEY DO BELONG TO ME AND I BELONG TO THEM.
I BELONG TO MY PEOPLE,MY FAMILY THE HUMAN RACE AND GOD.

WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS STRIP ME OF MY INDIVIUALITY AND PRETTY SOON MAN IM GONNA END THIS TOPIC AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YO WOUDLNT MAKE THREADS DIRECTED AT ME EITHER. I REALLY DONT CARE TOO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU DO THE SAME STUFF OVER AND OVER. YEAH I HAVE REPLIED NUMEROUS TIMES TO YOUR POSTS BUT THIS IS GETTING OLD. YOU ARE STEADILY SAYING WHAT I ABIDE IN ETC ETC ETC YET YOU CANT EVEN SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.

SEE THE ABOVE.

WHO MENTIONED EGO?

HAVENT I SAID THIS???? IF YOU CAN ANSWER NO QUESTION POSED TO YOU ANSWER THIS. HAVENT I SAID THAT WE ARE MORE THAN FLESH AND CULTURE AND THAT WE ARE SPIRITUAL??? A YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE. THATS ***ALL*** I NEED IS A YES OR NO. NO LONG DRAWN OUT ANSWERS NO REASON NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH .....NONE OF THAT. JUST A YES OR NO.

IF YOU ANSWER YES PLEASE LET IT GO AND STOP ACCUSING ME OF HAVING A VIEW THAT I DONT HAVE. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS JUDGING ME.

IF YOUR ANSWER IS NO PLEASE START READING THE POSTS MORE CLEARLY.

SEE THE ABOVE.

THATS GREAT BUT YOU CANT GO FORM A TO Z UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE ALPHABET. NOT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE PRESENTED CAN BE USED IN ALL INSTANCES FOR ALL RACES BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPERIENCED DIFFERENT THINGS.

IM SICK I HAVE A SORE THROAT.

YOU'RE SICK YOU HAVE A SINUS INFECTION.

WE ARE BOTH SICK.

WE BOTH NEED MEDS.

WE ARE BOTH IN PAIN.

ALL OF THESE THINGS APPLY TO US YET THE FORM OF MEDICATION THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU AND ME WILL VARY BASED ON SEVERITY OF THE ILLNESS AND SYMPTOMS.

NOT TRUE. ITS WHAT YOU DID.

SEE YOU DONT EVEN REMEBER. IT WAS ***TWO*** THREADS NOT ONE. YOU DID IT TWICE. LOL@MY PART BEING THE HALF AND YOURS BEING THE WHOLE....INCREDIBLE.........

WHEN YOU SAY "WE" AND INCLUDE SOMEONE WHO HAS *NOT* SAID ANYTHING YOU ARE MAKING IT AN "US".

SEE THE ABOVE AND KEEP A TAB ON THE THINGS YOU TYPE. IT HAPPENED TWICE.

ABOUT TIME YOU SWITCHED UP FROM THE MATRIX.

IF THATS HOW YOU SEE IT OH WELL. CONTNUE TO THINK OF IT LIKE THAT AND VIEW IT LIKE THAT. SO FAR ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS SHOWN STUPIDITY AND HOW CLOSED MINDED YOU ARE. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS TRYING TO ELEVATE YOURSELF AND PLACE YOURSELF ON A PEDISTAL. TRYING TO DEGRADE INSTEAD OF SHARING KNOWLEDGE. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ACCUSING ME (ALL THROUGH OUT THIS THREAD) WHEN IM NOT DOING WHAT YOU ACCUSE ME OF. SIMPLY PUT YOUR WRONG MAN.
YOU KEEP FINGER POINTING AT ME......LOOK AT YOU.

IF YOU FEEL THAT I AM THE SEED AND LACKING GREATER TRUTHS TEACH ME GREATER TRUTHS WITHOUT FINGER POINTING AND PLACING RESTRICTIONS AND BLAMES ON ME. ONCE AGAIN I REFER YOU TO READ PREVIOUS POSTS.

V AND I, WE, US.....ESPECIALLY THE FIRST ONE.....THAT CAME FROM SOMETHING THAT WASNT EVEN DIRECTED AT YOU.....SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

IM GOING TO BED.

PS YOU HAVENT EVENT ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS POSED TO YOU.

Tenkamenin · Mar 15, 2003

I disagree, your culture is you, your culture is what shapes you as a person. And if your culture is chittlings then so be it, I just pointed out that a lot of black culture is based on black inferiority to white America.

Can we add to black culture in America? Yes of course, but what is apart of your culture is apart of your culture....

Sorry I disagree with what you said, if you would understand black history in America you would know that blacks in America have gone through some of the worst mental abuse of any group in the history of mankind. Having people call you names for hundreds of years, whipped you, raped you, hung you it will have an affect on a human being mind frame, an affect that can not be gone over night. An affect that would need proper counseling to remove (which blacks in America do not get). The severity of the abuse will determine how far it is passed through generations, and the abuse blacks went through during slavery and jim crow law still linger today. Without proper counseling the problems will continue......

EVERY ACTION CAUSES A REACTION. Blacks in America are having a reaction to the demeaning, and dehumanizing of there skin color. For me to hear a brotha or a sista say "I am black and I am proud of it" is 100 steps in the right direction. To be black and proud you do not have to be RACIST. I am very proud to be BLACK and I am not racist towards any groups in America. I do not discriminate someone because of there skin color...... Like I said every action causes a reaction, and blacks in America are reacting to what has happened in the past and what is still going on in the present.....If you want blacks to stop saying "Black power" then you will have to go back in time and correct the errors of those DEVILS that took a part of the destruction of the black mans mind....

Sorry but again I have to disagree with what you said.....

My dad was telling me some stories about his childhood which I found to be very interesting. My dad comes from the eastern region of Ghana called Koforidua, and if your from Koforidua it's most likely that your family is from the New Juaben tribe. Our culture in Koforidua is different from a tribe of people in the Western part of Ghana. Those tribes eat different food from us, they also have there own dialect, history, and philosphy. Well in the 60's a President by the name of Kwame Nkrumah saw a problem in Ghana, we all had our own cultures in each town and we were having clashes with other towns because of the differences in our cultures. So Kwame Nkrumah the president at the time started bording schools, and he evened out the location of where the kids will come from. He had a certain number of kids from the Western Region of Ghana, a certain of kids from the eastern, Southern Region and Northern Region of Ghana. He splitted up the rooms where each person would be sharing a room with 3 people from other regions of Ghana. There was a problem at first with the students, because people were doing things that were offending other peoples cultures. But after time, the students started to become friends and learned each others cultures. And when they went back home they were able to go to other regions in Ghana and not start a problem. And because of this now, tribing clashing in Ghana has decreased DRAMATICALLY, matter of fact the clashing is only of 2 tribes that are in the same region. It is all because these regions were brought together and forced to work with each other.

Heresy is right, the more we learn about ones culture the better we are. I grew up around a good number of Hispanics, Asians, and different people of other backgrounds and because of that I feel that I'm a better person. I understand each groups culture a little better, and I respect it then being ignorant and saying "What the fuck is that".

It's not selfish to me, it having pride in my culture. If having pride in my culture, and repping it is a problem than that is on you and not on me. Because I do not diss anyones culture when I'm practicing mine.

Listen, there is nothing wrong with roaming into another persons culture. I have no problem with a white guy wanting to practice something my culture promotes, matter of fact I think roaming into ones persons culture (assuming you are not offending there culture) is a good thing and not a bad thing. It broadens the persons mind on a group of peoples, history and practices.....However do not tell me that I'm selfish for holding onto my culture. To understand the significance of my culture in my life, you would have to be me, you would have to know what I know. You are looking at it from an outsiders perspective.

Learning mostly Eurocentric teachings in school is not going to help.....

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 15, 2003

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"I disagree, your culture is you, your culture is what shapes you as a person. And if your culture is chittlings then so be it, I just pointed out that a lot of black culture is based on black inferiority to white America."

It is as much you as you wish it to be. Culture can grow. Culture can change. Culture is not absolute. You remain a product of your environment until you transcend that state of mind. Yes, this can be done and HAS been done.
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"Can we add to black culture in America? Yes of course, but what is apart of your culture is apart of your culture...."

When one stops identifying completely with a division or "race" of human, it no longer remains a part of their culture.
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"Sorry I disagree with what you said, if you would understand black history in America you would know that blacks in America have gone through some of the worst mental abuse of any group in the history of mankind. Having people call you names for hundreds of years, whipped you, raped you, hung you it will have an affect on a human being mind frame, an affect that can not be gone over night. An affect that would need proper counseling to remove (which blacks in America do not get). The severity of the abuse will determine how far it is passed through generations, and the abuse blacks went through during slavery and jim crow law still linger today. Without proper counseling the problems will continue......"

I understand all these things. And because of this hateful history many people today have been tainted by it due to their ethnic relationship to those who have been oppressed. If "your" culture is a struggle then let it go. Let go of what bounds you. You feel that this struggle defines you as a person. Fine, but the strength comes with letting it go. I can surely find a group of "white" people who have been oppressed in some point of human history, but I do not identify that as "my" struggle. "Your" struggle is things that happen to YOU within YOUR life. But you wish to keep the burden of a group of people because your reality is defined by struggle.
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"EVERY ACTION CAUSES A REACTION. Blacks in America are having a reaction to the demeaning, and dehumanizing of there skin color. For me to hear a brotha or a sista say "I am black and I am proud of it" is 100 steps in the right direction. To be black and proud you do not have to be RACIST. I am very proud to be BLACK and I am not racist towards any groups in America."

First off, it is a double standard... If I said, "I'm *white* and I am proud", I am most likely perceived as belonging to a "white power" organization which is considered racist.
And the very fact that you say that you are proud to be "black" is abiding under racist thought. You are over-emphasizing your being based on the pettiness of your physical appearance. YOU are not "black". Color or ethnicity doesn't define YOU! I understand that because of oppression many people still abide under the conception of their appearance. I am speaking of freedom from appearances. I understand that most people are not ready to see it this way. Many people define their reality by their struggle and whatever struggle they can identify themselves to within a group of people. I, personally, am released from conceptions of "my" people. This doesn't mean that I do not care for people. I will speak with and attempt to help any person who is willing to open their mind.
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"I do not discriminate someone because of there skin color...... Like I said every action causes a reaction, and blacks in America are reacting to what has happened in the past and what is still going on in the present.....If you want blacks to stop saying "Black power" then you will have to go back in time and correct the errors of those DEVILS that took a part of the destruction of the black mans mind...."

I do not want to stop "blacks" from saying "black power". It doesn't matter to me. I am attempting to show you the way out of this bondage under racist thought.

"I can only show you the door. You must walk throught it."
--Morpheus

sidenote: Heresy loves when I quote the matrix! LOL. On the real though, The Matrix has a lot of good philosophy and portrays the human "struggle" very well on so many levels.
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"Heresy is right, the more we learn about ones culture the better we are. I grew up around a good number of Hispanics, Asians, and different people of other backgrounds and because of that I feel that I'm a better person. I understand each groups culture a little better, and I respect it then being ignorant and saying "What the fuck is that"."

As long as everyone defines themselves based on "their" culture is as long as it will be neccessary to learn about "their" culture. Especially when their culture or "reality" is defined by struggle. I am open minded to anyone's way of life. I do not ever say "what the fuck is that?"
You are not your culture. You are not your "struggle". You can learn about these things WITHOUT identifying them as "yours". This is your attempt at trying to fit in to a group of people. When you **realize** that you already do "fit in", no matter what you abide by, you will be free from the bondage of racist conception.
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"It's not selfish to me, it having pride in my culture. If having pride in my culture, and repping it is a problem than that is on you and not on me. Because I do not diss anyones culture when I'm practicing mine."

"pride" is selfish. You are feeding into your false ego. Thats great that you do not diss anyone's culture when you practice "yours". But what you define as "your culture" is growing, even changing. It is not absolute. And because it is not absolute it can NEVER define who you are. To be defined by something is to remain within its bondage. The idea of being defined by a certain "race" is incredibly MATERIAL. The wise know that material conceptions are fleeting. Do not bind yourself to material conceptions by defining yourself by them.
"The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."
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"You are looking at it from an outsiders perspective."

And this is why I am free from the bondage of such "race" conceptions.
You are looking at it bound to material (ie: racist) thought.

Let go of these "fleshy" material conceptions. I hear they are weak.

GUILLOTINE · Mar 15, 2003

HERESY said:

TRUTH! If I have time this week I will build on these topics.

HERESY · Mar 15, 2003

@tenk you said

thats true because we are ALL products of or environement.

from reading his posts its CLEAR that he does NOT understand black history in america nor does he understand the mental abuse.

see the above.

he does NOT see that and thats what i keep explaining to him.

i agree.

sure dont. you were MADE that way. its NOTHING wrong with being happy about yourself and what you are.

thats a good thing.

tenk he does NOT understand this truth. he shuns it. tenk im gogint to link you to the thread he directed at me. when you read it you will clearly see that he contradicts himself,turns a blind eye to posts and dances around everything.

he has a habit of turning the OPRESSED into the OPRESSOR. he NEVER places teh blame on teh party who initiated the conflict.

he doesnt see that. you just cant say "human culture". thats vague,general and bland. that robs teh person of individuality.

by labeling it as "selfish" he is trying to rob you of individuality.

DAMN RIGHT AND THATS WHAT HE IS DOING. IM GLAD THAT IM NOT TEH ONLY ONE CALLING THIS CAT ON HIS *RACISM* AND YES WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SHOWING BLIND RACISM.

HELL NO!!!

TENK I READ HIS POST DIRECTED AT YOUR RESPONSE AND HE WILL CONTINUE TO DANCE.

916 SAID THE FOLLOWING:

IN RESPONSE TO THAT I ASKED HIM THE FOLLOWING WHICH HE HAS YET TO ANSWER:

HAVENT I SAID THIS???? IF YOU CAN ANSWER NO QUESTION POSED TO YOU ANSWER THIS. HAVENT I SAID THAT WE ARE MORE THAN FLESH AND CULTURE AND THAT WE ARE SPIRITUAL???
A YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE. THATS ***ALL*** I NEED IS A YES OR NO. NO LONG DRAWN OUT ANSWERS NO REASON NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH .....NONE OF THAT. JUST A YES OR NO.

IF YOU ANSWER YES PLEASE LET IT GO AND STOP ACCUSING ME OF HAVING A VIEW THAT I DONT HAVE. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS JUDGING ME.

IF YOUR ANSWER IS NO PLEASE START READING THE POSTS MORE CLEARLY.

IN MY OPINION HE WONT ANSWER THAT.

@GUILLOTINE I PRAY THAT YOU HAVE TIME TO TOUCH DOWN ON THAT SUBJECT.

@TENK ALL THROUGH OUT THIS THREAD 916 CLAIMS THAT HE HAS NO PROBLEM WITH ONE DEFENDING THEMSELF. READ THIS THREAD AND SEE IF HE HOLDS THE SAME VIEW http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51924

:h:

MOESES SOULRIGHT THE 2nd · Mar 15, 2003

tenk is a real mothafucka...
and i respect his opinion a hundred fold...

can't wait to chop it up with you over some peanut stew one day lol

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 15, 2003

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"thats true because we are ALL products of or environement."

THESE CHAINS DO JINGLE SO. HAPPY DAYS!
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"from reading his posts its CLEAR that he does NOT understand black history in america nor does he understand the mental abuse."

I understand this bondage. Forgive me if I am not tainted by it...
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"he does NOT see that and thats what i keep explaining to him."

I KNOW this! But, as long as you keep the "reaction" alive, you are bound to the intial action. You CAN transcend this whole concept. Many people do not want to even fathom that because they are dependent on struggle defining their lives.
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"sure dont. you were MADE that way. its NOTHING wrong with being happy about yourself and what you are."

How about over-emphasizing your being based on petty bodily conception? The excuse here is, of course, due to the oppression of a group of people. THIS TELLS ANYONE WITH INTELLIGENCE THAT YOU ARE ***BOUND*** TO YOUR CONCEPTION OF RACE. IN YOUR PERCEPTION IT DEFINES YOU. Whether you conceive the separation in a negative or postive way, it is still separation. THE WHOLE REASON PEOPLE WILL SAY SOMETHING LIKE, "I am black and I am proud", is because they feel in defense toward the history of oppression which told them that being "black" was bad. As long as one remains in this duality they are subject to RACISM.
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"tenk he does NOT understand this truth. he shuns it."

I understand "action and reaction". I just DO NOT affiliate myself with a specific "group" of people and then blame another "group" for "my" "struggle".
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"tenk im gogint to link you to the thread he directed at me. when you read it you will clearly see that he contradicts himself,turns a blind eye to posts and dances around everything."

I read everything. Never "contradicted" myself. If I was dancing, YOU must have been my dance partner.
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"he has a habit of turning the OPRESSED into the OPRESSOR. he NEVER places teh blame on teh party who initiated the conflict."

I do not place "blame" anywhere! think real hard and remember:
"AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYONE HAS TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR".
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RID YOURSELF OF THIS STRUGGLE AS LONG AS YOU SEE IT AS A "HE DID IT FIRST" THING. That is NEVER an excuse! Grow up!
Ya know, if God had never created people we wouldnt be so sinful. So it must be God's fault! LMAO, your logic is still ABIDING UNDER RACIST THOUGHT CONCEPTION.
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"he doesnt see that. you just cant say "human culture". thats vague,general and bland. that robs teh person of individuality."

In all reality, nothing really "belongs" to ANY man/woman. But if we can see the fundamentals of the "human struggle", we can reconcile our petty differences. Unfortunately, too many people define their reality by their own divisional struggle. And once we realize the "human struggle" we may begin to transcend foolish conceptions of selfishness. But, we must take it step by step.
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"by labeling it as "selfish" he is trying to rob you of individuality."

YOUR ARE *NOT* YOUR CULTURE, SKIN COLOR, BONE STRUCTURE, ETC. THIS IS *YOUR* ILLUSION.
I AM NOT "ROBBING" ANYONE OF THEIR INDIVIDUALITY. IF YOUR CONCEPTION OF INDIVIDUALITY IS YOUR DEFINING YOURSELF BASED ON MATERIAL CONCEPTIONS OF CULTURE, SKIN COLOR, ETC., THEN YOU ARE BOUND TO THESE THINGS. AND GIVEN THAT THESE THINGS ARE FLEETING, SO IS YOUR LOGIC! LET GO OR NEVER GROW...

MY INDIVIDUALITY IS NOT MY ATTACHMENT TO MATERIAL CONCEPTIONS! I UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM ON A PHYSICAL LEVEL, AND THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT I *AM* BUT WHAT I AM *BECOMING*. ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL I AM UNCHANGING. ALL MATERIAL CONCEPTIONS SHALL NOT BE HELD ONTO AS "MINE". HOW CAN ANYONE HOLD ONTO SOMETHING WHICH IS FLEETING AND BE FREE FROM ITS BONDAGE? THE REASON YOU SUFFER IS BECAUSE YOU ATTEMPT TO GRASP AND HOLD ONTO THINGS WHICH ARE FLEETING. AND THEN YOU LIVE IN THE PAST BASED ON THESE MATERIAL CONCEPTIONS OF "MY" PEOPLE, "MY" CULTURE. SELFISHNESS...
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"DAMN RIGHT AND THATS WHAT HE IS DOING. IM GLAD THAT IM NOT TEH ONLY ONE CALLING THIS CAT ON HIS *RACISM* AND YES WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SHOWING BLIND RACISM."

free from your fleeting logic I am still judged by your racist conception. ALthough, your judgement has no impact on my being. Let go or never grow...
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"HAVENT I SAID THIS???? IF YOU CAN ANSWER NO QUESTION POSED TO YOU ANSWER THIS. HAVENT I SAID THAT WE ARE MORE THAN FLESH AND CULTURE AND THAT WE ARE SPIRITUAL???
A YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE. THATS ***ALL*** I NEED IS A YES OR NO. NO LONG DRAWN OUT ANSWERS NO REASON NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH .....NONE OF THAT. JUST A YES OR NO."

Yes, you have said this, maybe a couple times. BUT YOU CONTINUE TO STRESS MATERIAL CONCEPTION. If you REALLY understood this spiritual truth you would have let go of your fleeting logic.
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"IF YOU ANSWER YES PLEASE LET IT GO AND STOP ACCUSING ME OF HAVING A VIEW THAT I DONT HAVE. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS JUDGING ME."

What you really believe is obvious by what you STRESS in your words. If you keep stressing material conceptions as truth, lets say fifty times you stress this. And then you mention that you know about spiritual truth, lets say 2 or 3 times. Then I will speak at you based on what you stressed fifty times. If you really understood spiritual truth you would let go of your fleeting logic and material conceptions.
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"IN MY OPINION HE WONT ANSWER THAT."

really......hmmmm...

Tenkamenin · Mar 15, 2003

n9newunsixx5150 said:

What you're saying is now becoming VERY OFENSIVE and ignorant. I'm becoming offended because you are now saying 2 things that are not adding up. Do not tell me that you understand black struggle then come with an idiotic comment like "Black Power" is a double standard. You think you know but you have no idea on black struggle in America....

Let me elaborate.....

It really all depends on how you look at the saying "Black Power". If your looking at the saying "Black power" from a less educated point of view (meaning you do not understand how the word originated) then it is a double standard. Now if you're looking at the saying "Black power" from an educated point of view, meaning you know black history AND are able to apply it to black struggle today you would see that the reason why blacks in America say "Black power" is because there ancestors were constantly dehumanized, degraded and treated like they were worthless in this country. To say "I am black and proud" is telling the world that after depicting my people like.......

fucking animals, I am still proud to be black......

So when a black person says black power, they are not saying "I'm better than you because I'm black" they are saying that after all that struggle there people went through, they're proud to be a black person in this country. And I fully support that saying 200%.....

What is the history of white power in this country? White power brings up a painful past, it brings up a past of African Americans being tortured, Native Americans being wiped out, Chinese Exclusion Act, etc... And you wonder why "white power" is racist? SCARED DEVILISH Whites in our country's history have used there powers to mistreat a lot of people.

Don't come back in this thread claiming you understand black history because you don't......

Lastly color does define you in this country. Tell those blacks that were hung and whipped during slavery that there color didn't define who they were to racist whites. Just because there skin color was black and not white, they were 3/5 of a human....Tell blacks that the Jim Crow Law didn't define there position in this country. And tell blacks when the declaration of independence was written that there color didn't define them...

Your saying his color didn't define him?

What your saying is complete HOGWASH....

THE RACE WAR.

THE HIDDEN HAND...

THE HIDDEN HAND...

THE HIDDEN HAND...

Sicc OG

THE HIDDEN HAND...

Anti-feminist

Sicc OG

THE HIDDEN HAND...

Sicc OG

Anti-feminist

THE HIDDEN HAND...

Anti-feminist

THE HIDDEN HAND...

Sicc OG

Anti-feminist

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THE HIDDEN HAND...

Young Moe

Anti-feminist

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