THE RACE WAR.
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in regards to o.j. i dont know who did it. he could have done it but o.j. ISNT the sharpest knife in the drawer (no pun intended)
LOL@LOC! thats a good one.
@GUILLOTINE you said: people who usually say things of that nature:
a.feel guilty
b.are not educated when it comes to the plight and mishaps of others
c.blind
you CANT get over something that is STILL present in our society.........nor can you get over it if everyone sweeps it under the rug.....
in regards to a race war.....i would say right now....WHITES would win....
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LOL@LOC! thats a good one.
@GUILLOTINE you said: people who usually say things of that nature:
a.feel guilty
b.are not educated when it comes to the plight and mishaps of others
c.blind
you CANT get over something that is STILL present in our society.........nor can you get over it if everyone sweeps it under the rug.....
in regards to a race war.....i would say right now....WHITES would win....
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"you CANT get over something that is STILL present in our society.........nor can you get over it if everyone sweeps it under the rug....."
So when the man/woman who is racist is separating others from themselves because of the color of their skin or their ethnic origin just as many of these people who imply that they are against racism do in order to fight against it or educate people on the plight, you have to ask yourself how much in common do these non-racists have with the racists?
In other words, if the reason we have racism in the first place is because ***ignorant people*** separated a group of others based on their ethnicity, how can separating a group of others in any fashion be "fighting" against racism or "educating" anyone, (unless they are being educated on how to BE racist)?????
In other words, if one still perceives this as a "race-war" they are living the illusion that is called RACISM!
In other words, wake up...
This "racists against racism" campaign is pathetic.
"you CANT get over something that is STILL present in our society.........nor can you get over it if everyone sweeps it under the rug....."
So when the man/woman who is racist is separating others from themselves because of the color of their skin or their ethnic origin just as many of these people who imply that they are against racism do in order to fight against it or educate people on the plight, you have to ask yourself how much in common do these non-racists have with the racists?
In other words, if the reason we have racism in the first place is because ***ignorant people*** separated a group of others based on their ethnicity, how can separating a group of others in any fashion be "fighting" against racism or "educating" anyone, (unless they are being educated on how to BE racist)?????
In other words, if one still perceives this as a "race-war" they are living the illusion that is called RACISM!
In other words, wake up...
This "racists against racism" campaign is pathetic.
Implicit in any form of racism is power(individually or collectively)to exercise racism~Lee D. Baker Dept. of Anthropology Temple University.
Racial inequality can not be neglected, nor reduced to the interpretations of texts, when every index of the quality of life place African Americans at or near the bottom. The list of indices of racial oppression could fill pages and pages, but many social scientist do not want to deal with race as a socially constructed reality which permeates all sectors of our society. The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly. ~Lee D. Baker Dept. of Anthropology Temple University.
THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE IN COMMON.
1.ONE GROUP LACKS POWER THAT IS REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT "RACISM".
2. "IF" A CERTAIN GROUP IS SHOWING SIGNS OF HATRED,DISCOMFORT OR "RACISM" IS IT JUSTIFIED? DO THEY HAVE A "REASON" TO HATE? THIS IS NOT THE REASON THAT RACISM EXISTS. 1.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE WRITINGS OF MARCUS GARVEY? IF THE ANSWER IS NO I SUGGEST YOU READ HIS MATERIAL. IF THE ANSWER IS YES I DONT SEE WHY YOU WOULD ASK/MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
2.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SEPARATISM? IF NOT I SUGGEST YOU LOOK THE WORD UP AND STUDY IT. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR I SEE NO LOGIC IN YOUR STATEMENT/QUESTION.
SEE THE ABOVE.
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PS CORNELL WEST IS A GOOD AUTHOR ALSO. I SUGGEST YOU READ UP ON CERTAIN MATERIAL BEFORE YOU MAKE POSTS IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC.
Racial inequality can not be neglected, nor reduced to the interpretations of texts, when every index of the quality of life place African Americans at or near the bottom. The list of indices of racial oppression could fill pages and pages, but many social scientist do not want to deal with race as a socially constructed reality which permeates all sectors of our society. The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly. ~Lee D. Baker Dept. of Anthropology Temple University.
THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE IN COMMON.
1.ONE GROUP LACKS POWER THAT IS REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT "RACISM".
2. "IF" A CERTAIN GROUP IS SHOWING SIGNS OF HATRED,DISCOMFORT OR "RACISM" IS IT JUSTIFIED? DO THEY HAVE A "REASON" TO HATE? THIS IS NOT THE REASON THAT RACISM EXISTS. 1.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE WRITINGS OF MARCUS GARVEY? IF THE ANSWER IS NO I SUGGEST YOU READ HIS MATERIAL. IF THE ANSWER IS YES I DONT SEE WHY YOU WOULD ASK/MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
2.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SEPARATISM? IF NOT I SUGGEST YOU LOOK THE WORD UP AND STUDY IT. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR I SEE NO LOGIC IN YOUR STATEMENT/QUESTION.
SEE THE ABOVE.
:H:
PS CORNELL WEST IS A GOOD AUTHOR ALSO. I SUGGEST YOU READ UP ON CERTAIN MATERIAL BEFORE YOU MAKE POSTS IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC.
@H
Separation IS the reason for racism. Because if the ignorance of man did not perceive separate races, there would not be racism. It is as simple as that. Fighting against racism within the spirit of separate races is falsely abiding by the bodily conception and it is perpetual. It is a petty ignorance which oppresses people because many can not perceive deeper truths beyond mere physical appearance. Such illusion has brought racism, how can fighting within the illusion bring any closure in the long run? Why are many still fighting within this abstract idea of separate races? This battle maintains the "us versus them" mentality. This duality is perpetual. Does anyone actually believe that racism will eventually end or perhaps at least for the most part by still abiding under such racist law as this "us versus them"? or even if you were to re-word it to "us AND them", the duality remains and eventually, because of human foolishness, the "and" turns back into the "versus". This perpetual duality has bound us in thought, which has bound us in false bodily conception. It is obvious that there are people who appear different than ourselves. But when we use this to bring one another down we are like foolish children. And when we attempt to rid ourselves of this foolishness, yet by remaining within the perpetual concept of duality we gain nothing. I can sit here and state facts on what group of people have been oppressed during what periods of human era all day. I can sit here and point the finger over there, and there, and right here, and eventually to every "group" of people one can conceive. But, in the end it is the reconciliation of humankind's differences that will lead us to less injustices, not the further separation of humans against themselves. My how we fall on our asses cuz of this...
Separation IS the reason for racism. Because if the ignorance of man did not perceive separate races, there would not be racism. It is as simple as that. Fighting against racism within the spirit of separate races is falsely abiding by the bodily conception and it is perpetual. It is a petty ignorance which oppresses people because many can not perceive deeper truths beyond mere physical appearance. Such illusion has brought racism, how can fighting within the illusion bring any closure in the long run? Why are many still fighting within this abstract idea of separate races? This battle maintains the "us versus them" mentality. This duality is perpetual. Does anyone actually believe that racism will eventually end or perhaps at least for the most part by still abiding under such racist law as this "us versus them"? or even if you were to re-word it to "us AND them", the duality remains and eventually, because of human foolishness, the "and" turns back into the "versus". This perpetual duality has bound us in thought, which has bound us in false bodily conception. It is obvious that there are people who appear different than ourselves. But when we use this to bring one another down we are like foolish children. And when we attempt to rid ourselves of this foolishness, yet by remaining within the perpetual concept of duality we gain nothing. I can sit here and state facts on what group of people have been oppressed during what periods of human era all day. I can sit here and point the finger over there, and there, and right here, and eventually to every "group" of people one can conceive. But, in the end it is the reconciliation of humankind's differences that will lead us to less injustices, not the further separation of humans against themselves. My how we fall on our asses cuz of this...
also...
lets refer to this "socially constucted reality". It is this "reality" which creates racism. To overcome this so called reality will take people's knowledge that it is, in fact, *socially constructed*. One who takes, that which is created socially, as an absolute fact is deluded. If we are fighting against racism within the confines of a society constructed on racist ideas then the fight will be everlasting. It is like if a slave wishes to be free from his master but he still abides to his chains holding him from freedom. The slave is in contradiction. If he cannot let go of the chains he will remain bound. Just as if people cannot release themselves from this "socially constructed reality", they will remain bound and potentially BE the perpetrators of racial injustices and hate crimes.
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"The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly."
Understood only to transcend its perpetual duality. One who understands it, yet remains within its confines, is a slave. A slave to this perpetual duality of "us versus them".
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"1.ONE GROUP LACKS POWER THAT IS REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT "RACISM"."
the essence between these two are still similar. One group may have power at the moment as the other does not. But, eventually it'll flip around and the group lacking power will obtain power and become the racists. They will become what they fight against due to the perpetual duality of "us versus them". One who does not transcend this duality is potentially racist. This is what I refer to when I say, "racists against racism" campaign.
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"2. "IF" A CERTAIN GROUP IS SHOWING SIGNS OF HATRED,DISCOMFORT OR "RACISM" IS IT JUSTIFIED? DO THEY HAVE A "REASON" TO HATE?"
In the mind of the racist they are justified and feel a reason to hate. Anyone is justified to emprison themselves in hate. And when the hate seeps over and creates racial violence (for instance) the victims are justified to react in defense and do what is necessary to protect themselves. And if these be wise people they will not abide under the idea of "us versus them", even in the face of such hate crimes. Because by abiding by this they are, (or at least potentially), racist.
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"THIS IS NOT THE REASON THAT RACISM EXISTS."
I have already explained what the essence of racism is in my post before this. Let me ask you what racism is.... H, what is racism?
lets refer to this "socially constucted reality". It is this "reality" which creates racism. To overcome this so called reality will take people's knowledge that it is, in fact, *socially constructed*. One who takes, that which is created socially, as an absolute fact is deluded. If we are fighting against racism within the confines of a society constructed on racist ideas then the fight will be everlasting. It is like if a slave wishes to be free from his master but he still abides to his chains holding him from freedom. The slave is in contradiction. If he cannot let go of the chains he will remain bound. Just as if people cannot release themselves from this "socially constructed reality", they will remain bound and potentially BE the perpetrators of racial injustices and hate crimes.
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quote:
"The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly."
Understood only to transcend its perpetual duality. One who understands it, yet remains within its confines, is a slave. A slave to this perpetual duality of "us versus them".
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quote:
"1.ONE GROUP LACKS POWER THAT IS REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT "RACISM"."
the essence between these two are still similar. One group may have power at the moment as the other does not. But, eventually it'll flip around and the group lacking power will obtain power and become the racists. They will become what they fight against due to the perpetual duality of "us versus them". One who does not transcend this duality is potentially racist. This is what I refer to when I say, "racists against racism" campaign.
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"2. "IF" A CERTAIN GROUP IS SHOWING SIGNS OF HATRED,DISCOMFORT OR "RACISM" IS IT JUSTIFIED? DO THEY HAVE A "REASON" TO HATE?"
In the mind of the racist they are justified and feel a reason to hate. Anyone is justified to emprison themselves in hate. And when the hate seeps over and creates racial violence (for instance) the victims are justified to react in defense and do what is necessary to protect themselves. And if these be wise people they will not abide under the idea of "us versus them", even in the face of such hate crimes. Because by abiding by this they are, (or at least potentially), racist.
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"THIS IS NOT THE REASON THAT RACISM EXISTS."
I have already explained what the essence of racism is in my post before this. Let me ask you what racism is.... H, what is racism?
i think you should pay attention to that.
heres what you said: no seperation is NOT the reason for racism. you can be SEPERATED from someone and not have ANY ill feelings toward that person. i see nothing wrong in perceiving different races. dont we perceive different species of feline? whats wrong with a latino loving his heritage and me learning about his heritage and his culture? whats wrong with me sharing ideas and facts about my culture with an asian? once again have you read the writings of marcus garvey? a yes or no will suffice. if the answer is NO i suggest you READ and get a grasp on certain ideas before you speak out against them. thats why they need to be educated about the plights and hardships of others. hey if you say so.... the same reason why we have seperate dogs. you have rotties,neopolitin mastiffs,spanials,spitzs i can go on and on.... ...um....yeah ok..... not until people accept responsibilty for certain actions. ?!? i agree. no comment. splendid. please refer to the FIRST quote in this post. created by who and for what reason? welcome to america....home of slaves....land of lost..... he has been conditioned to remain a slave. possibly...... im counting how many times you have used the same words over and over. come with some new ones man. if "THEY" are telling "YOU" its us vs you what will you do? tell them perptual duality is reality of truth which coincides with blah blah blah.....get real.....you'll be executed and butchered..read between the lines man.... nice change up junior. apply what you just said to the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. after that apply it to AFRICAN AMERICANS. should african americans rise and kill every white person in america due to 400+ years of slavery and the rape of africa (which still goes on today)??? ok i can give you several answers....take your pick
1.anything done by the BILDERBERGERS or those who want to bring in the "AGE OF AQUARIUS"
2. the destruction of black wall street.
3.anything you can find on this page:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=lynchings
4.america
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heres what you said: no seperation is NOT the reason for racism. you can be SEPERATED from someone and not have ANY ill feelings toward that person. i see nothing wrong in perceiving different races. dont we perceive different species of feline? whats wrong with a latino loving his heritage and me learning about his heritage and his culture? whats wrong with me sharing ideas and facts about my culture with an asian? once again have you read the writings of marcus garvey? a yes or no will suffice. if the answer is NO i suggest you READ and get a grasp on certain ideas before you speak out against them. thats why they need to be educated about the plights and hardships of others. hey if you say so.... the same reason why we have seperate dogs. you have rotties,neopolitin mastiffs,spanials,spitzs i can go on and on.... ...um....yeah ok..... not until people accept responsibilty for certain actions. ?!? i agree. no comment. splendid. please refer to the FIRST quote in this post. created by who and for what reason? welcome to america....home of slaves....land of lost..... he has been conditioned to remain a slave. possibly...... im counting how many times you have used the same words over and over. come with some new ones man. if "THEY" are telling "YOU" its us vs you what will you do? tell them perptual duality is reality of truth which coincides with blah blah blah.....get real.....you'll be executed and butchered..read between the lines man.... nice change up junior. apply what you just said to the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. after that apply it to AFRICAN AMERICANS. should african americans rise and kill every white person in america due to 400+ years of slavery and the rape of africa (which still goes on today)??? ok i can give you several answers....take your pick
1.anything done by the BILDERBERGERS or those who want to bring in the "AGE OF AQUARIUS"
2. the destruction of black wall street.
3.anything you can find on this page:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=lynchings
4.america
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I think that there R too many on all sides who would never let that happen, I'm Italian and my folks R Black, Hispanic, Asian, Filipino, etc, and ain't nothin' gonna make me turn on any one of em cause of their race. Americas got all kinds of racist and sepratists groups out there who been tryin' 2 start a race war, but I don't think it will happen, we R(slowly but surely) headin' in the right direction, 2 equality, we've come a long way 2 fight over Skin colors in a war.
PHIL,
YOU STRESSED, "sorry edj but if oj was poor or white he would have been 7 years into a life sentence as we speak."
I AgREE ON THE POOR PART. BUT IF O.J WAS WHITE HE WOULDN'T OF WENT THRU TOO MUCH BULLSHIT TO gET OFF.
gUILLOTINE,
I'M TALKIN' BOUT THE CLOSET RACISTS PLAYA. THE ONES THAT ACT LIKE THEY COO' BUT CALL YOU "NIggER" UNDER THEY BREATHE OR WHEN YOU AIN'T AROUND.
JESSE JAMES A.K.A gIMMI SUM,
YOU KNOW HOW I DO. WHY AM I gONNA SWITCH UP NOW? BUT I DON'T HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I JUST AIN'T TOO FOND OF PREDOMINANT ANgLO SUBCULTURE. IF YOU COO' WITH ME, I'M COO' WITH YOU. BASICALLY WHAT HERESY STRESSED.
YOU STRESSED, "sorry edj but if oj was poor or white he would have been 7 years into a life sentence as we speak."
I AgREE ON THE POOR PART. BUT IF O.J WAS WHITE HE WOULDN'T OF WENT THRU TOO MUCH BULLSHIT TO gET OFF.
gUILLOTINE,
I'M TALKIN' BOUT THE CLOSET RACISTS PLAYA. THE ONES THAT ACT LIKE THEY COO' BUT CALL YOU "NIggER" UNDER THEY BREATHE OR WHEN YOU AIN'T AROUND.
JESSE JAMES A.K.A gIMMI SUM,
YOU KNOW HOW I DO. WHY AM I gONNA SWITCH UP NOW? BUT I DON'T HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I JUST AIN'T TOO FOND OF PREDOMINANT ANgLO SUBCULTURE. IF YOU COO' WITH ME, I'M COO' WITH YOU. BASICALLY WHAT HERESY STRESSED.
IF O.J WAS WHITE, HE WOULD OF HAD A BOND SET. IF O.J WAS WHITE, THEY WOULDN'T OF MADE A BIg DEAL OF THE SITUATION. WHY THEN AFTER HE WAS ACQUITTED, WHITE PEOPLE COULDN'T LET IT gO AND HAD TO PROSECUTE HIM IN CIVIL COURT? WHY DID THE VERDICT OF THE CIVIL CASE WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT IT OVERSHADOWED THE STATE OF THE UNION BROADCASTED THAT YEAR? IS A CIVIL CASE THAT IMPORTANT? NO, WHITE PEOPLE COULDN'T LET IT gO AND TIL THIS DAY THEY CAN'T. AND YOU WONDER WHY I SAY AMERIKKKA IS A RACIST.
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"no seperation is NOT the reason for racism. you can be SEPERATED from someone and not have ANY ill feelings toward that person. i see nothing wrong in perceiving different races. dont we perceive different species of feline? whats wrong with a latino loving his heritage and me learning about his heritage and his culture? whats wrong with me sharing ideas and facts about my culture with an asian?"
As long as we only perceive separation as truth we are subject to racism and to being racist ourselves. It is obvious to any child that there are people who appear different than others, who have been brought up in different cultural environments. It is fine to learn about other cultures. But whether we have ill-feelings or not as long as we only see the petty differences we fall to racism. Racism is focused on people's differences, NOT THEIR SIMILARITIES. So, in essence, racism IS separation. You already agree with me, example: not being able to attend the same schools; separation. Not being able to sit in the same area of the bus; separation. I could go on and on...
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"once again have you read the writings of marcus garvey? a yes or no will suffice. if the answer is NO i suggest you READ and get a grasp on certain ideas before you speak out against them."
No, I have not read his work. I never have been speaking out against him. You wrote something, I responded. Marcus Garvey is NOT the absolute authority on the subject.
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"thats why they need to be educated about the plights and hardships of others."
fine, as they also need to learn to reconcile the differences between themselves and others. Otherwise, racism remains a reality. Then again, maybe why most people do not do this is because they strive for the struggle. It defines purpose in their lives I suppose...
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"the same reason why we have seperate dogs. you have rotties,neopolitin mastiffs,spanials,spitzs i can go on and on....
They're all canine. If YOU do not realize that they are all dogs, then you are blind. When you only see the differences you judge based on those differences and you become racist.
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"not until people accept responsibilty for certain actions."
what people??? "white" people? "black" people? who? is it ever as simple as black or white? Or is that just how we label it?
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"i agree."
If you agree then why do you adhere to remaining within the duality of these differences, rather than perceiving the similarities? Like I said before, it is obvious that people from different places appear different. The racist man/woman ONLY lives by these differences, and there is another "group" who claim themselves anit-racist who fight against racism, yet, they do it still remaining within the concept of these petty differences. They gain not a thing in their struggle. They want to be free, but they just love wearing those pretty chains.
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"created by who and for what reason?"
created by humans to maintain some type of order. We fall to the illusion of our discriminating and categorizing minds and racism is a perfect example. When we only see the differences we isolate others from ourselves, hence, racism...
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"welcome to america....home of slaves....land of lost....."
Then, with what you said above, you must agree. Anyone attempting to fight against racism but yet abiding under a racist built society is a contradiction. So, when it is said, "The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly.", it does not mean that we should ultimately perceive the differences between people, it means we should understand that this society is built on racist ideas. And it is not one "group" of people's fault for this. It is everyone's responsibility. As long as we fight against racism within the confines of its ignorance we are slaves...
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"he has been conditioned to remain a slave."
Like many of these "anti-racists". They mean well, but they do not see how they remain slaves to that which they fight against...
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"im counting how many times you have used the same words over and over. come with some new ones man. if "THEY" are telling "YOU" its us vs you what will you do? tell them perptual duality is reality of truth which coincides with blah blah blah.....get real.....you'll be executed and butchered..read between the lines man...."
I am counting how many times you turn a blind eye to reality. If "they" tell me its "them vs. me" that's their ignorance. If they wish to harm me, then I have every justification to fight back. But, I do not fight back in regards to "them vs. us". I do not live in their foolishness. But, because I would rather live than die or be beaten, I will fight back. I am not preaching the amish life here... And by the way, you need to read in between the lines, perhaps then you will understand what I have been saying over and over again...
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"nice change up junior. apply what you just said to the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. after that apply it to AFRICAN AMERICANS."
Show me where there is a "change up" on my part. The mere fact that you perceive this "change up" shows that you do not understand what I am saying... You have been turning a blind eye to the very essence of the plight. I would rather teach people to fight free from the essentials of racism instead of within its confines. But, hell, maybe I'm just an idiot. Wow, these chains do jingle so!! Happy days!
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"should african americans rise and kill every white person in america due to 400+ years of slavery and the rape of africa (which still goes on today)???"
No. Because that is racist! Every "white" person did not do these things. You are falling now to the illusion that you can ultimately judge people based where they come from or the color of their skin. This quote is like asking if it is justified for all the Jews to kill every German. I said that people have the right to protect themselves, not go after a "group" of people for veangence. You are still thinking like a racist...
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"i can give you several answers....take your pick
1.anything done by the BILDERBERGERS or those who want to bring in the "AGE OF AQUARIUS"
2. the destruction of black wall street.
3.anything you can find on this page:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=...off&q=lynchings
4.america"
I mean essentially. I did not wish for examples of racism. If I did I would have asked, "H, what are some good examples of racism?" What is racism to you? give me a more general definition...
"no seperation is NOT the reason for racism. you can be SEPERATED from someone and not have ANY ill feelings toward that person. i see nothing wrong in perceiving different races. dont we perceive different species of feline? whats wrong with a latino loving his heritage and me learning about his heritage and his culture? whats wrong with me sharing ideas and facts about my culture with an asian?"
As long as we only perceive separation as truth we are subject to racism and to being racist ourselves. It is obvious to any child that there are people who appear different than others, who have been brought up in different cultural environments. It is fine to learn about other cultures. But whether we have ill-feelings or not as long as we only see the petty differences we fall to racism. Racism is focused on people's differences, NOT THEIR SIMILARITIES. So, in essence, racism IS separation. You already agree with me, example: not being able to attend the same schools; separation. Not being able to sit in the same area of the bus; separation. I could go on and on...
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"once again have you read the writings of marcus garvey? a yes or no will suffice. if the answer is NO i suggest you READ and get a grasp on certain ideas before you speak out against them."
No, I have not read his work. I never have been speaking out against him. You wrote something, I responded. Marcus Garvey is NOT the absolute authority on the subject.
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"thats why they need to be educated about the plights and hardships of others."
fine, as they also need to learn to reconcile the differences between themselves and others. Otherwise, racism remains a reality. Then again, maybe why most people do not do this is because they strive for the struggle. It defines purpose in their lives I suppose...
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"the same reason why we have seperate dogs. you have rotties,neopolitin mastiffs,spanials,spitzs i can go on and on....
They're all canine. If YOU do not realize that they are all dogs, then you are blind. When you only see the differences you judge based on those differences and you become racist.
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"not until people accept responsibilty for certain actions."
what people??? "white" people? "black" people? who? is it ever as simple as black or white? Or is that just how we label it?
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"i agree."
If you agree then why do you adhere to remaining within the duality of these differences, rather than perceiving the similarities? Like I said before, it is obvious that people from different places appear different. The racist man/woman ONLY lives by these differences, and there is another "group" who claim themselves anit-racist who fight against racism, yet, they do it still remaining within the concept of these petty differences. They gain not a thing in their struggle. They want to be free, but they just love wearing those pretty chains.
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"created by who and for what reason?"
created by humans to maintain some type of order. We fall to the illusion of our discriminating and categorizing minds and racism is a perfect example. When we only see the differences we isolate others from ourselves, hence, racism...
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"welcome to america....home of slaves....land of lost....."
Then, with what you said above, you must agree. Anyone attempting to fight against racism but yet abiding under a racist built society is a contradiction. So, when it is said, "The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly.", it does not mean that we should ultimately perceive the differences between people, it means we should understand that this society is built on racist ideas. And it is not one "group" of people's fault for this. It is everyone's responsibility. As long as we fight against racism within the confines of its ignorance we are slaves...
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"he has been conditioned to remain a slave."
Like many of these "anti-racists". They mean well, but they do not see how they remain slaves to that which they fight against...
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"im counting how many times you have used the same words over and over. come with some new ones man. if "THEY" are telling "YOU" its us vs you what will you do? tell them perptual duality is reality of truth which coincides with blah blah blah.....get real.....you'll be executed and butchered..read between the lines man...."
I am counting how many times you turn a blind eye to reality. If "they" tell me its "them vs. me" that's their ignorance. If they wish to harm me, then I have every justification to fight back. But, I do not fight back in regards to "them vs. us". I do not live in their foolishness. But, because I would rather live than die or be beaten, I will fight back. I am not preaching the amish life here... And by the way, you need to read in between the lines, perhaps then you will understand what I have been saying over and over again...
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"nice change up junior. apply what you just said to the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. after that apply it to AFRICAN AMERICANS."
Show me where there is a "change up" on my part. The mere fact that you perceive this "change up" shows that you do not understand what I am saying... You have been turning a blind eye to the very essence of the plight. I would rather teach people to fight free from the essentials of racism instead of within its confines. But, hell, maybe I'm just an idiot. Wow, these chains do jingle so!! Happy days!
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"should african americans rise and kill every white person in america due to 400+ years of slavery and the rape of africa (which still goes on today)???"
No. Because that is racist! Every "white" person did not do these things. You are falling now to the illusion that you can ultimately judge people based where they come from or the color of their skin. This quote is like asking if it is justified for all the Jews to kill every German. I said that people have the right to protect themselves, not go after a "group" of people for veangence. You are still thinking like a racist...
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"i can give you several answers....take your pick
1.anything done by the BILDERBERGERS or those who want to bring in the "AGE OF AQUARIUS"
2. the destruction of black wall street.
3.anything you can find on this page:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=...off&q=lynchings
4.america"
I mean essentially. I did not wish for examples of racism. If I did I would have asked, "H, what are some good examples of racism?" What is racism to you? give me a more general definition...
i disagree.
i agree.
once again i disagree. people will fall to racism due to things that happened in the past or how they were educated and exposed to culture (or lack of it).
differences in the physical? or differences in economic or social class?
but seperation is NOT racism if done CORRECTLY.
have you ever heard the term "seperate but equal"?
1.if you have not read his work (and im assuming at this point the work of any black man) i suggest you read it. especially in regards to THIS subject (something you know nothing about).
2.i NEVER said you were speaking out against HIM. what i said was this:
"if the answer is NO i suggest you READ and get a grasp on certain ideas before you speak out against them." yes i wrote something in regards to a topic i understand. you are writing something based on what? what i typed? how would you know about...naw forget it let me move on. how would you know if you have never read his work (im not implying that he is)?
you CANNOT tell me whats good or bad about being seperate if you dont understand it man. especially when it comes to a BLACK MAN (ME) in america compared to a white man (YOU) in america. this is why i suggested that you read the writings of marcus garvey. this man is more of an AUTHORITY than YOU will EVER be (in regards to this subject). by making that statement you are showing your stupidity (which in your case is made in almost every post). when they are educated this will follow WE (human beings) are the SAME in some aspects but DIFFERENT in other aspects. however we are ALL humans. no one is denying this FACT except for SOME people......people who still hold the 3/5 view. there is nothing wrong with seeing the difference and ACCEPTING it. just because i see it that doesnt mean its bad. i can see a rottweiler and note how its different from a cane corso in regards to markings. am i saying that a corso is better than a rottie because they have different markings? no not at all. no its not as simple as black and white. however when it comes to AMERICA i would say WHITE AMERICA (THOSE WHO ARE ELITE AND BENEFITED FROM RACISM.....EVEN CERTAIN EURO COUNTRIES) SHOULD take responsibility for the PEOPLE AND CULTURES THAT HAVE WIPED OUT. BEFORE YOU CAN RECONCILE *ANY* DIFFERENCES YOU MUST *FIRST* ACCEPT **RESPONSIBILITY**. THIS HAS YET TO HAPPEN IN AMERICA...
YOU SAID "they also need to learn to reconcile the differences between themselves and others."
HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN WHEN ONE GROUP REFUSES TO ADMIT WRONG DOING AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY? IF I BASH YOUR WINDOWS OUT HOW CAN I COME TO YOU AND PAY FOR THE DAMAGES IF I HAVE NOT YET ADMITTED TO *MYSELF* THAT IT WAS WRONG FOR ME TO DO SO? WHO SAID THAT IM REMAINING WITHEN THE DUALITY OF THESE DIFFERENCES? YOU? THATS YOUR *OPINION*.NOTHING MORE. WHO SAID THAT I DONT SEE THE SIMILARITIES? BLACKS GOT FUCKED OVER BY WHITES.....NATIVES GOT FUCKED OVER BY WHITES......YEAH EVEN JEWS GOT FUCKED OVER BY WHITES.....I SEE THE SIMILARITIES...... IF DIFFERENCE CAN BE USED TO DEFINE *CONFLICT* I WOULD DISAGREE. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE MALCOLM X WHILE HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE NATION OF ISLAM AND *AFTER* HE FOUND *TRUE* ISLAM. HOWEVER WHEN ONE GROUP HAS A LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO BE VOCAL.....WHY SHOULDNT THEY? DIDN TYOU YOURSELF SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF IF SOMEONE IS HARMED THEY SHOULD BLAH BLAH BLAH? WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE *YET* TO LASH OUT AND TORTURE WHITE AMERICA ON A GRAND SCALE..... THIS IS WHY WE MUST BE EDUCATED ABOUT EACH OTHER. OK IF ITS A CONTRADICTION WHY ABIDE IN THE RACIST BUILT SOCIETY? WHY NOT *LEAVE* THE RACIST BUILT SOCIETY? THIS IS WHY I SUGGESTED THAT YOU READ THE WRITINGS OF MARCUS GARVEY.
2.i NEVER said you were speaking out against HIM. what i said was this:
"if the answer is NO i suggest you READ and get a grasp on certain ideas before you speak out against them." yes i wrote something in regards to a topic i understand. you are writing something based on what? what i typed? how would you know about...naw forget it let me move on. how would you know if you have never read his work (im not implying that he is)?
you CANNOT tell me whats good or bad about being seperate if you dont understand it man. especially when it comes to a BLACK MAN (ME) in america compared to a white man (YOU) in america. this is why i suggested that you read the writings of marcus garvey. this man is more of an AUTHORITY than YOU will EVER be (in regards to this subject). by making that statement you are showing your stupidity (which in your case is made in almost every post). when they are educated this will follow WE (human beings) are the SAME in some aspects but DIFFERENT in other aspects. however we are ALL humans. no one is denying this FACT except for SOME people......people who still hold the 3/5 view. there is nothing wrong with seeing the difference and ACCEPTING it. just because i see it that doesnt mean its bad. i can see a rottweiler and note how its different from a cane corso in regards to markings. am i saying that a corso is better than a rottie because they have different markings? no not at all. no its not as simple as black and white. however when it comes to AMERICA i would say WHITE AMERICA (THOSE WHO ARE ELITE AND BENEFITED FROM RACISM.....EVEN CERTAIN EURO COUNTRIES) SHOULD take responsibility for the PEOPLE AND CULTURES THAT HAVE WIPED OUT. BEFORE YOU CAN RECONCILE *ANY* DIFFERENCES YOU MUST *FIRST* ACCEPT **RESPONSIBILITY**. THIS HAS YET TO HAPPEN IN AMERICA...
YOU SAID "they also need to learn to reconcile the differences between themselves and others."
HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN WHEN ONE GROUP REFUSES TO ADMIT WRONG DOING AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY? IF I BASH YOUR WINDOWS OUT HOW CAN I COME TO YOU AND PAY FOR THE DAMAGES IF I HAVE NOT YET ADMITTED TO *MYSELF* THAT IT WAS WRONG FOR ME TO DO SO? WHO SAID THAT IM REMAINING WITHEN THE DUALITY OF THESE DIFFERENCES? YOU? THATS YOUR *OPINION*.NOTHING MORE. WHO SAID THAT I DONT SEE THE SIMILARITIES? BLACKS GOT FUCKED OVER BY WHITES.....NATIVES GOT FUCKED OVER BY WHITES......YEAH EVEN JEWS GOT FUCKED OVER BY WHITES.....I SEE THE SIMILARITIES...... IF DIFFERENCE CAN BE USED TO DEFINE *CONFLICT* I WOULD DISAGREE. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE MALCOLM X WHILE HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE NATION OF ISLAM AND *AFTER* HE FOUND *TRUE* ISLAM. HOWEVER WHEN ONE GROUP HAS A LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO BE VOCAL.....WHY SHOULDNT THEY? DIDN TYOU YOURSELF SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF IF SOMEONE IS HARMED THEY SHOULD BLAH BLAH BLAH? WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE *YET* TO LASH OUT AND TORTURE WHITE AMERICA ON A GRAND SCALE..... THIS IS WHY WE MUST BE EDUCATED ABOUT EACH OTHER. OK IF ITS A CONTRADICTION WHY ABIDE IN THE RACIST BUILT SOCIETY? WHY NOT *LEAVE* THE RACIST BUILT SOCIETY? THIS IS WHY I SUGGESTED THAT YOU READ THE WRITINGS OF MARCUS GARVEY.