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@tenk you said thats true because we are ALL products of or environement. from reading his posts its CLEAR that he does NOT understand black history in america nor does he understand the mental abuse. http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51924
Definitly some problems going on in his post....

You all ready caught him slipping, and that was enough for me when I was reading this thread. However he kept on going on which amazed me...lol!!

He swears he knows black history but he really doesn't. He thinks we can magically say "poof be gone" to oppression and racism without any proper counseling...


GEE WIZZ, what makes a person think it's that simple? We can't let go of our painful past without loving ourselves. We are trying to love ourselves by saying we are black and proud...

Then he's going to say it's a double standard to say "black power"....WTF? Are you kidding me? :rolleyes:

I respect his views, but he has a lot to learn....
 
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let me put it like this for dude...

say my family all of my family, for generations, is killed or maimed by man eating elephants, man eating elephants run our village, a very small place where people die of hunger(while they live in a much more pleasant and fertile place, it has it's problems but it mostly a privelage)...and if we try to leave our village for food, THEY KILL US...so we can try and be happy surviving on the little food we have, and take the chance of starving to death...or we can try and go out of our village and get some food, while facing the very big possibilty a Man Eating Elephant might kill us...and already everyone i know has been horribly affected by these man eating Elephants who ran our village, don't you think that would affect the way i look at Man Eating Elephants? And would you take away from me, that i garnered will from the fact i was a human being who has been oppressed since birth and i'm still alive?

the oppressor (which happens to be white man through a substantial part of our recent history) is the elephant...the human the black person...The Elephants home is white society, while the poor village is the Projects and Ghettos, from the Bayou to the Big Apple as they exist in many forms in all places,,,

you get what i'm sayin now?
 
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@Tenk

First of all... You should not get offended. Nothing I am saying is degrading who you are. I am merely attempting to shine the light abroad a greater conception of truth…

fact remains: YOU are not "black". Color or ethnicity doesn't define YOU!
Because to be defined by something implies that you exist within its confines. And you do NOT.

You and H are slaves to society and material conceptions. You base your truth in it, obviously. Heresy said it, "We are ALL a product of our environments."
Does *YOUR* word also condemn you to “your environment”? If you're plugged into the matrix how the hell are you gonna fight against it? If you abide under its oppressive laws, how can you make any difference? Folks just seem too comfortable in their chains.

Also, how are you and H going to abide into a "group" of people by saying, "my people" and "my culture", and then accuse ME of "robbing you of your individuality"?
By you and Heresy's word, your individuality is defined by reference to this "group". And yet, it is I who have been accused of contradicting myself. Once you realize that your individuality is NOT defined by this "group", this "culture" or this "people", you will be free from the bondage which you have portrayed; free from this bondage of grouping yourself by the flesh. You and Heresy's conceptions are skin deep. I am speaking beyond flesh conception... "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is...", ..... AWW FUCK IT, NEVERMIND!
You crazy "individuals" with your crazy material conceptions.
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@Youngmoe

I understand the mentality behind racism...

But not all the "elephants" are man eating! To continue the HATE as a "human vs. elephant" concept is ABIDING BY THE VERY ESSENCE OF **RACISM**. I understand that their is still bitterness between the 2 groups. But, this is a new day and we move on to better understandings of each other. As long as we keep the thought behind racism alive, will be as long as we are subject to the plight. We are NOT going to fix things by pointing the finger. Because what we are pointing the finger at is a false conception of people based on the color of their skin, nationality, and culture. And as long as we see only in the material, we will suffer material consequences, ie: RACISM. What can I say? Most people are not ready to be unplugged! Most people, although they bitch and whine, are still comfortable remaining in their chains, as if their “struggle” defines who they are. If they weren't comfortable with such bondage, they would have grown from these material conceptions. And because this “struggle” defines who they are, they become dependent on it in their reality, or lack there of.
I hear that the truth will make you free... hmmm, sounds interesting…
But the question is… who really wants to be free right now? Obviously, many are still indulged in the world and would rather see with material eyes than with the spiritual. The same many who claim to fight against oppressive concepts, (ie: racism), which arose from human ignorance only to build our modern society, yet they remain slave to this society with phrases like, “We are ALL a product of our environment”.
Let us awaken from the slumber of the world… Now is ALWAYS a good time.
 

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If you're plugged into the matrix how the hell are you gonna fight against it?
THATS ALL THIS GUY TALKS ABOUT. MATRIX THIS MATRIX THAT. GET OFF THAT SPACESHIP SHIT MAN AND CRASH LAND BACK DOWN TO REALITY. YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF OVER AND OVER AND YOU NEED TO STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.


EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID IS "BLIND RACISM" THATS WHAT IT IS. THE THING IS I THINK YOU DO IT ON PURPOSE.....

I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY. TENK AND MOE SAID ENOUGH.

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You have shown me no thought beyond material conceptions, yet you claim to understand spiritual knowledge. You "walk in the spirit" and "crucify the flesh", yet you are bound by the very essence of that which you are against. You have portrayed this in your words and conceptions over and over and over. I have never contradicted myself. I easily reconciled the "defending yourself" debate. Your ill-conceived conceptions are a shot in the dark to find fault with what I am saying. If you can not see how the movie, The Matrix, is a very inciteful analogy for real life then you must not have gotten to that point of realization. But, then again, I also quoted this guy named Heresy. I think that may affect my credibility. I could quote some guy named Marcus Garvey, but that wouldn't give me any more credibility. Marcus Garvey is NOT the authority on the subject. The subject is racism and YOU have identified yourself as the subject of this subject. You fight against it, only within its confines. I never put words in your mouth. I quoted things you have typed. Just remember...
This is your culture; its your struggle, and it defines your reality; your life; your being...

That will be the last time I help you polish those chains...
 
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@Tenk

First of all... You should not get offended. Nothing I am saying is degrading who you are. I am merely attempting to shine the light abroad a greater conception of truth…

fact remains: YOU are not "black". Color or ethnicity doesn't define YOU!
Because to be defined by something implies that you exist within its confines. And you do NOT.

You and H are slaves to society and material conceptions. You base your truth in it, obviously. Heresy said it, "We are ALL a product of our environments."
Does *YOUR* word also condemn you to “your environment”? If you're plugged into the matrix how the hell are you gonna fight against it? If you abide under its oppressive laws, how can you make any difference? Folks just seem too comfortable in their chains.

Also, how are you and H going to abide into a "group" of people by saying, "my people" and "my culture", and then accuse ME of "robbing you of your individuality"?
By you and Heresy's word, your individuality is defined by reference to this "group". And yet, it is I who have been accused of contradicting myself. Once you realize that your individuality is NOT defined by this "group", this "culture" or this "people", you will be free from the bondage which you have portrayed; free from this bondage of grouping yourself by the flesh. You and Heresy's conceptions are skin deep. I am speaking beyond flesh conception... "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is...", ..... AWW FUCK IT, NEVERMIND!
You crazy "individuals" with your crazy material conceptions.
Your comments didn't offend me because they degraded who I am, your comments offended me because you claimed you understood black history which you don't....THATS OFFENSIVE!!

I said...

Lastly color does define you in this country. Tell those blacks that were hung and whipped during slavery that there color didn't define who they were to racist whites. Just because there skin color was black and not white, they were 3/5 of a human....Tell blacks that the Jim Crow Law didn't define there position in this country. And tell blacks when the declaration of independence was written that there color didn't define them...
Then you say....

fact remains: YOU are not "black". Color or ethnicity doesn't define YOU!
UNSATISFACTORY RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fact remains what? I've posted up pictures and you claim fact without giving any...WTF!! COMICAL!!


We aren't progressing in this post, we are running around back to your original philosophy. We are trying to go somewhere in this post and your running back around again. I broke down your "black power", "white power" response and my response gets no mention? Of course it doesn't, because your wrong...

You crazy "individuals" with your crazy material conceptions.
This shit had me dying.....You try to involve a matrix anology with The Race War post and then you call Heresy and me crazy .... Puuhhhhhhleeeeaseeeeee dawg....


 

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^^^^ he also said that the majority of civil rights leaders were contradictory. yet he could not give me the name of 10-15 that fit this description.
Fact remains what? I've posted up pictures and you claim fact without giving any...WTF!!
he never does so get used to it.

peep this tenk. i asked him this:


3.WOULD NAT TURNER HAVE KILLED WHITE PEOPLE IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN PLACED IN THE SITUATION? IF HE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED DEGREDATION BY THE HANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE WOULD HE HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID?"


here is his answer.
No, if he was not subject to racist thought conceptions he would not have killed according to the color of skin. But, he may have still killed people who appear "white". This question is an uncertainty. He who is "a product of his environment" is a slave. The ignorant remain to abide under these race conceptions while the wise transcend them. Thought is the root of the problem, not the actions. You can attempt to limit people's actions by taking away their freedoms. Or you can attempt to heal the thought processes behind such racist actions. If you attempt to put blame on people's actions without seeing the root of their thought, then the thought remains. And even though, for a time, the racist actions may be dormant... THE MIND STATE IS STILL THERE AND ALL ACTIONS, EVEN DONE WITH THE MENTALITY OF "ANTI-RACISM", ARE DONE IN *VAIN*.

tenk pay attention to how he attempts to turn the OPRESSED INTO THE OPRESSOR. HE DOES IT IN HIS FIRST 3 SENTENCES.


HERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS I ASKED HIM:

1.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER GONE TO AFRICA AND CAPTURED AFRICANS TO BE USED AS PROPERTY/SLAVES WOULD YOU HAVE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN AMERICA?

2.IF EUROPEANS HAD *NEVER* WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WOULD YOU HAVE RACISM BETWEEN THE TWO?"


HERE ARE HIS ANSWERS THAT PROVE HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

1. maybe 2. maybe

both of these questions are really an uncertainty. No one is going back in time. Plus, these are *NOT* the root of the problem. The root of the problem is racist thought conception. These physical acts which you mentioned are based in our ignorance of this racist thought conception. Aim the hose at the base to extinguish the fire. The thought behind the actions is what matters. Transcend this racist thought and there will be no more racist actions.

1.AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE THE PRODUCTS OF SLAVERY. PLEASE PICK UP A BOOK. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS" IF IT WASNT FOR IT.


2.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WHEN WOULD ONE HAVE A CHANCE TO BE RACIST TOWARD THE OTHER??????
We aren't progressing in this post, we are running around back to your original philosophy.
im glad im not the only one who feels this way. everything is dictated by HIS philosophy.....
We are trying to go somewhere in this post and your running back around again.
see the above.
broke down your "black power", "white power" response and my response gets mention? Of course it doesn't, because your wrong...
he wont mention it. if he does he'll try to flip it around and make it mean something that it doesnt.
You talk about the matrix and then you call Heresy and me crazy
LMAO1 he NEEDS to leave that star trek shit alone and wake up to reality. he has quoted the matrix or made reference to it (when typing to me) almost 30 times.


INSTEAD OF USING MOVIE SCI FI FLICKS TO VALIDATE YOUR PHILOSOPHY WHY DONT YOU PICK UP A BOOK BY MARCUS GARVEY AND LEARN ABOUT SEPARATISM. AFTER THAT READ SOMETHING BY STOKELY CARMICHAEL AND BLACK POWER.

THIS GUY IS LIVING IN CARTOON LAND.


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@Tenk


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"Fact remains what? I've posted up pictures and you claim fact without giving any...WTF!!"



You have every right to remain bound to these material conceptions of "black" and such and such culture. Some people do not like the truth! Because sometimes to hear the truth means giving up the illusion. Great you got pictures! and then...
I can draw you a picture if that helps you to understand. Although I do not have a scanner.
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"We aren't progressing in this post, we are running around back to your original philosophy. We are trying to go somewhere in this post and your running back around again. I broke down your "black power", "white power" response and my response gets mention? Of course it doesn't, because your wrong..."



You DID NOT break down the "black power, "white power" response. It still REMAINS a double standard. If I go out and preach "white power", I am considered racist by a majority of the people. This is due to racist thought conception that still exists. It exists even within the many who *claim* to be fighting against racism. Racist thought does not cleanse others of racist thought. Hence, THE BLIND DOES NOT LEAD THE BLIND. I understand that in history, especially this country, there have been great injustices to people based on the color of their skin or nationality. To whatever degree of injustice does not change the fact to what I have been saying all along. I do not need to understand the "black" struggle in every specific to understand what racist thought is. The mere fact that you still conceive of reality as your "black" struggle shows that you are bound to this society. This society which was BUILT on racist thought conception. Therefore, your whole world is abiding under this material/ racist conception. Your whole existence is your slumber. Until you wake up your ass might as well be in the matrix. Because that is what it is like. Material illusion has bound your thought. I have beaten your dead horse for some time now, you and Heresy, hoping that maybe the horse will revive. The philosophy that I keep going back on is the fundamental reality to the plight. If you can not understand it then you will remain a slave until you do. Just remember...
This is your culture; its your struggle, and it defines your reality; your life; your being...

anyone else need their chains polished?
 
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"he also said that the majority of civil rights leaders were contradictory. yet he could not give me the name of 10-15 that fit this description."



Think of ten or fifteen of these civil rights leaders who think like YOU. Voila!
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"pay attention to how he attempts to turn the OPRESSED INTO THE OPRESSOR. HE DOES IT IN HIS FIRST 3 SENTENCES."



Pay attention to how the foolish see everything as either "good or bad", "right or wrong", "oppressed or oppressor". Of course it is just completely ridiculous to conceive of someone being both the oppressed and the oppressor. How stupid I do feel now... uuhuh. Please...
announcer: "once again another shot in the dark by Heresy... wait! Is that drool on his pillow!"
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"1.AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE THE PRODUCTS OF SLAVERY. PLEASE PICK UP A BOOK. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS" IF IT WASNT FOR IT."




This is pure bullshit. You can NOT say that there would absolutely not be ANY African's in America if it weren't for slavery. If slavery never happened, who is to say that some African Americans wouldn't still migrate over here. You will NEVER know this. Stop pretending like you do. Your questions are stupid and hold nothing to be sought after in the conversation. Sort of like when you decided to throw out your pointless rant about the "by-product" of racism.
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"2.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WHEN WOULD ONE HAVE A CHANCE TO BE RACIST TOWARD THE OTHER??????"



Yeah, so if Europeans never went to Africa they would have had no idea of these darker skinned people. Even today, europeans would be completely ignorant of these people. Matter of fact, Over the internet right now, I may be talking to thousands of "black" people and never know it..... oooooh wow! You are smoking some crack there buddy...
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"LMAO1 he NEEDS to leave that star trek shit alone and wake up to reality. he has quoted the matrix or made reference to it (when typing to me) almost 30 times."




Kirk to enterprise:... there seems to be some.... type of....... slimy substance residing on his... pillow.......

I can't... wake him.... up. Must... fight it! Open....his eyes! Damn it Spock.... It was..... so much more fun....... beating the...... dead .. horse....
Wait.... he is... beginning to speak.... listen...

"Uuurg awblah... DAh.....blub blub"

I can't... make it out, it must.... be... some form of... gross dream.... state....

...Kirk out
 
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"^^^^ I THOUGHT YOU MEANT POLISHING KNOBS....."



Is that what the kids are using today to keep themselves in bondage? Wow, you know how hard it can be trying to keep up with the times...
that saliva on your pillow looks like a good polisher...
...Thank God for household tips!
 
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You have every right to remain bound to these material conceptions of "black" and such and such culture. Some people do not like the truth! Because sometimes to hear the truth means giving up the illusion. Great you got pictures! and then...
I can draw you a picture if that helps you to understand. Although I do not have a scanner.
So are you trying to tell me that the links to the pictures Heresy posted up of blacks being lynched had nothing to do with color? There color didn't define there place? These guys weren't lynched because they were black? EXPLAIN?!?!?!?!? These same blacks would've been lynched if they were white? BOLOGNE!!!

Don't give me an unsatisfactory response that I'm "Bound to those materials" lets talk about these specific pictures and why they were lynched.....

Color was an issue when it happened....

You DID NOT break down the "black power, "white power" response. It still REMAINS a double standard. If I go out and preach "white power", I am considered racist by a majority of the people. This is due to racist thought conception that still exists. It exists even within the many who *claim* to be fighting against racism. Racist thought does not cleanse others of racist thought. Hence, THE BLIND DOES NOT LEAD THE BLIND. I understand that in history, especially this country, there have been great injustices to people based on the color of their skin or nationality. To whatever degree of injustice does not change the fact to what I have been saying all along. I do not need to understand the "black" struggle in every specific to understand what racist thought is. The mere fact that you still conceive of reality as your "black" struggle shows that you are bound to this society. This society which was BUILT on racist thought conception. Therefore, your whole world is abiding under this material/ racist conception. Your whole existence is your slumber. Until you wake up your ass might as well be in the matrix. Because that is what it is like. Material illusion has bound your thought. I have beaten your dead horse for some time now, you and Heresy, hoping that maybe the horse will revive. The philosophy that I keep going back on is the fundamental reality to the plight. If you can not understand it then you will remain a slave until you do. Just remember...
This is your culture; its your struggle, and it defines your reality; your life; your being...
I broke it down, it is YOU WHO CAN NOT COME UP WITH A REASONABLE RESPONSE.....

The unfortunate thing is that I'm arguing with someone that is in denial and does not want to put 2 and 2 together....Your talking about as if racism is dead. There is still discrimination blacks go through on a daily basis because of there skin color..... Interesting how there is no mention of white racism which is a problem...hmmmmm????

The interesting thing is that you are not trying to apply history to todays problems, you claim you know it however you don't acknowledge it as the reasons why blacks react in a certain way.....Tackle white racism and you'll see a lot less of "Black Power" because we will feel equal in this country. Don't come to me and try to impose your views and tell me how to act, you don't seem to understand the mindset of blacks. You're dealing with psychological affected group of people that can not get over there problems by saying "Abrakdabra". Sorry man it doesn't work that way....The psychological affects are stronger than turning off a light switch.

Can a female that has been mentally/physically abused by her husband for years and years just say abrakadabra and turn off her psychological problems? NO....Even with the abuser behind bars, the female may still be affraid of men, and may not like being touched....

Try 350 years of suffering and no counseling...

Problems will occur

which you do not understand....

The mere fact that you still conceive of reality as your "black" struggle shows that you are bound to this society.
Sorry but the psychological abuse blacks have gone through is BLACK STRUGGLE...lol!! No other race has suffered this SPECIFIC type of abuse....

Other races may've suffered there own abuse, which is there own battle, but they definitly haven't suffered the same....For it not to be black struggle like you claim it isn't, you would have to give me various groups that endured the same struggle and mental abuse which is still prevelant in the community....

I bet you can't name another group...lol!!!

Peace
 
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^^^^ he also said that the majority of civil rights leaders were contradictory. yet he could not give me the name of 10-15 that fit this description. he never does so get used to it.

peep this tenk. i asked him this:


3.WOULD NAT TURNER HAVE KILLED WHITE PEOPLE IF HE HAD NEVER BEEN PLACED IN THE SITUATION? IF HE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED DEGREDATION BY THE HANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE WOULD HE HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID?"


here is his answer.


tenk pay attention to how he attempts to turn the OPRESSED INTO THE OPRESSOR. HE DOES IT IN HIS FIRST 3 SENTENCES.


HERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS I ASKED HIM:

1.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER GONE TO AFRICA AND CAPTURED AFRICANS TO BE USED AS PROPERTY/SLAVES WOULD YOU HAVE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN AMERICA?

2.IF EUROPEANS HAD *NEVER* WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WOULD YOU HAVE RACISM BETWEEN THE TWO?"


HERE ARE HIS ANSWERS THAT PROVE HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT.




1.AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE THE PRODUCTS OF SLAVERY. PLEASE PICK UP A BOOK. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS" IF IT WASNT FOR IT.


2.IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER WENT TO AFRICA (OR AFRICANS TO EUROPE) WHEN WOULD ONE HAVE A CHANCE TO BE RACIST TOWARD THE OTHER?????? im glad im not the only one who feels this way. everything is dictated by HIS philosophy..... see the above. he wont mention it. if he does he'll try to flip it around and make it mean something that it doesnt. LMAO1 he NEEDS to leave that star trek shit alone and wake up to reality. he has quoted the matrix or made reference to it (when typing to me) almost 30 times.


INSTEAD OF USING MOVIE SCI FI FLICKS TO VALIDATE YOUR PHILOSOPHY WHY DONT YOU PICK UP A BOOK BY MARCUS GARVEY AND LEARN ABOUT SEPARATISM. AFTER THAT READ SOMETHING BY STOKELY CARMICHAEL AND BLACK POWER.

THIS GUY IS LIVING IN CARTOON LAND.


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Man I didn't even see all this....

You got him on the Nat Turner question.....lol!!

Good stuff, now I'm starting to see how worthless it is to continue this argument....

I'll have to see what he says his next response.
 
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@Tenk

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"So are you trying to tell me that the links to the pictures Heresy posted up of blacks being lynched had nothing to do with color? There color didn't define there place? These guys weren't lynched because they were black? EXPLAIN?!?!?!?!? These same blacks would've been lynched if they were white? BOLOGNE!!!"



Think hard.... no wait, not too hard... and remember that the reason it was conceived in the first place as a "color" issue is because of the racist bastards who were lynching people. Now jump into your delorean, travel to present day, and tell me that the same mind-state which these "racist bastards" used is justified for you to use in this "fight against racism".
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"Don't give me an unsatisfactory response that I'm "Bound to those materials" lets talk about these specific pictures and why they were lynched.....

Color was an issue when it happened...."



Of course color was an issue. And who made it an issue? Thats right... the "racist bastards"! Are you a "racist bastard"? I hope not.
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"I broke it down, it is YOU WHO CAN NOT COME UP WITH A REASONABLE RESPONSE....."



"reasonable" to you, would only be accepted after I put my chains on... and i am not speaking about my mister T memoribilia... but I still pity the fool
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"The unfortunate thing is that I'm arguing with someone that is in denial and does not want to put 2 and 2 together....Your talking about as if racism is dead. There is still discrimination blacks go through on a daily basis because of there skin color..... Interesting how there is no mention of white racism which is a problem...hmmmmm????"



There really ins't ANY specifics on any type of racism, black or white. Racism itself does not only exist within either white or black. Not all racism is white against black, just as not all racism is black against white...
I am not in "denial". I know there are "color issues". But, who created the "color issues"?
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"The interesting thing is that you are not trying to apply history to todays problems, you claim you know it however you don't acknowledge it as the reasons why blacks react in a certain way.....Tackle white racism and you'll see a lot less of "Black Power" because we will feel equal in this country. Don't come to me and try to impose your views and tell me how to act, you don't seem to understand the mindset of blacks."



So, now you speak for all people who's skin appears under the label "black". How does this compromise your *individuality*?
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"You're dealing with psychological affected group of people that can not get over there problems by saying "Abrakdabra". Sorry man it doesn't work that way....The psychological affects are stronger than turning off a light switch."



How long is a tainted perception of reality justified? When does one realize that pointing the finger solves no problems? The "abrakadabra" post was directed at your "chittlings" stereotype. If "your" culture is based around stereotypes you disagree with, then do not affiliate it into your reality. Abide by what will help you to grow. You are continuing your attempt at justifying your struggle. Keep in there guy, you may get a book deal soon. Remember, your struggle defines you as a person. Without it, you are nothing.
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"Can a female that has been mentally abused by her husband for years and years just say abrakadabra and turn off the psychological problems with the snap of her finger? NO....Even with the abuser behind bars, the female may still be affraid of men, and may not like being touched...."



I *HAVE* experienced many levels of tainted reality. Enlightenment knows no taintedness. If everY woman I ever loved cheated on me and tried to kill me, residing my thought based on my limited experience of reality, I would become bitterly sexist. But, because my conceptions are so much greater I do not become tainted. One may justify their own bondage by saying things like, "I am a product of my environment", but its only hurting them. If I was a "product of my environment", I would most likely be racist and sexist. Because all I have to do is know a few "black" people or a few women who did me wrong to justify it in my own mind.
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"Try 350 years of suffering and no counseling..."


wow, you've lived for 350 years?!? Oh wait.... you're the individual who keeps affiliating himself with that group.... go figure!
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"Problems will occur

which you do not understand...."



well in 350 years of one man's life you have to consider all the factors... back problems, loose and decaying skin, brittle bones...

"Ha... my struggle is bigger than your struggle. Matter of fact, it is so big it defines my very existence!"
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"Sorry but the psychological abuse blacks have gone through is BLACK STRUGGLE...lol!! No other race has suffered this specific type of abuse...."


No other race? I thought there was no other race!? Aren't we all "black"? aww shit, I really wanted to fit in. I always liked playing superheroes when i was younger. My favorite was "INDIVIDUAL-GROUP MAN"!!!!!!

SERIOUSLY FOR A SPLIT SECOND...
you keep conceiving reality based on the conceptions of those "racist bastards". This is exactly why I tell you about your bondage.
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"They may've suffered there own, but not the same which is apart of "Black struggle"....For it not to be black struggle like you claim it isn't, you would have to give me various groups that endured the same struggle and mental abuse which is still prevelant in the community...."



"Ha... my struggle is bigger than your struggle! Matter of fact, it is so big it defines my very existence!"
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I bet my daddy could beat up your daddy!

You know what group gets all the bad stuff? The hermaphroditic constipated elephantiasistic midgets...
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@ tenk
The unfortunate thing is that I'm arguing with someone that is in denial and does not want to put 2 and 2 together....
im GLAD im not the only one who see's this.
Your talking about as if racism is dead.
yep.
There is still discrimination blacks go through on a daily basis because of there skin color.....
he doesnt understand this. we can "transcend" all day long but that WONT stop the OTHER person from discriminating us because of skin color.
Interesting how there is no mention of white racism which is a problem...hmmmmm????
he avoids this. time and time again.
The interesting thing is that you are not trying to apply history to todays problems
no he is trying to apply HOLLYWOOD and special effects to the problem. that matrix bullshit.
you claim you know it however you don't acknowledge it as the reasons why blacks react in a certain way.....
he wont acknowledge this. this is what i keep trying to tell him but he wont accept it.
Don't come to me and try to impose your views and tell me how to act, you don't seem to understand the mindset of blacks.
no he doesnt an di told him that from the START.
You're dealing with psychological affected group of people that can not get over there problems by saying "Abrakdabra".
once again he downplays the situation.
Sorry but the psychological abuse blacks have gone through is BLACK STRUGGLE...lol!! No other race has suffered this SPECIFIC type of abuse....
he does not understand this.

@916 you said the following:
Think of ten or fifteen of these civil rights leaders who think like YOU. Voila!
for ANYONE to think like me would be IMPOSSIBLE. they would have to BE me. dont try to turn the question back on me with that VOILA bullshit. YOU said that the civil rights leaders were contradictory. in fact you said MOST of them. BACK YOUR VIEWS AND GIVE EXAMPLES!!!!! IF YOU CANT YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS WITH NO FACT TO VALIDATE THEM.IN FACT NAME 15 THAT THINK LIKE ME LOL!!!! THIS GUY!!!
Pay attention to how the foolish see everything as either "good or bad", "right or wrong", "oppressed or oppressor". Of course it is just completely ridiculous to conceive of someone being both the oppressed and the oppressor. How stupid I do feel now... uuhuh. Please...
YOU SHOULD FEEL STUPID. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE CLAIMS AND CANT BACK THEM UP. NAME 15 CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS THAT WERE CONTRADICTORY.
This is pure bullshit. You can NOT say that there would absolutely not be ANY African's in America if it weren't for slavery. "
ONCE AGAIN THIS IDIOT TAKES THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT.AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE THE PRODUCTS OF SLAVERY. PLEASE PICK UP A BOOK. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS" IF IT WASNT FOR IT. YOU HAD AFRICANS *IN* "AMERICA" BEFORE COLUMBUS (DO THE RESEARCH). YOU DID NOT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS". TO HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS" YOU WILL NEED SEVERAL RACES. IF YOU CANT DISTINGUISH A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "AFRICAN" AND "AFRICAN AMERICAN" YOUR LOST....LAY THAT COMIC BOOK SHIT DOWN AND PICK UP A REAL BOOK MAN.
DID I SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE NO AFRICANS IN AMERICA? OR DID I SAY YOU WOULDNT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS"
If slavery never happened, who is to say that some African Americans wouldn't still migrate over here.
LMAO!!!!! THEY WOULD BE *****AFRICAN***** NOT "AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!! ETHIOPIANS ARE NOT MIXED WITH "WHITE". THE ZULUS ARE NOT MIXED WITH NATIVE AMERICAN. THE ***MAJORITY*** OF "AFRICAN AMERICANS" ARE COMPRISED OF SEVERAL GROUPS. WE ARE "WATERED DOWN" VERSIONS OF OUR PEOPLE AND THE TERRIBLE PART ABOUT IT IS MOST OF US DONT KNOW WHO WE ARE.
You will NEVER know this.
I NEVER SAID THIS. IF YOU WOULD READ PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD SEE THAT I SAID AFRICANS WERE IN AMERICA BEFORE SLAVERY HOWEVER THAT DOESNT MAKE THEM "AFRICAN AMERICAN". THAT MAKES THEM AFRICANS *IN* AMERICA.
Stop pretending like you do. Your questions are stupid and hold nothing to be sought after in the conversation.
LMAO!!!!!THEY ARE STUPID SO YOU RESORT TO MANIPULATING THEM INTO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT. THE QUESTIONS ARE STUPID LIKE YOUR STATEMENT THAT MOST CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS WERE IN CONTRADICTION. AT LEAST I CAN EXPLAIN MYSELF.....:rolleyes:
Sort of like when you decided to throw out your pointless rant about the "by-product" of racism.
ITS NOT A POINTLESS RANT AND TENKS POST SUMMED IT UP. THE REASON WHY BLACKS HAVE TEH MENTALITY THAT THEY HAVE IS BECAUSE OF RACISM AND PERSECUTION IN AMERICA. THAT MENTALITY IS THE BY PRODUCT,AFTER EFFECT,BACK LASH.

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. YOU SOW SEEDS OF DISCORD YOU WILL REAP THEM IN RETURN. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS. HOW IS IT A POINTLESS RANT WHEN ITS RELEVENT TO TEH TOPIC? YOU THREW OUT A POINTLESS STATEMENT. NAME 15 LEADERS.
Yeah, so if Europeans never went to Africa they would have had no idea of these darker skinned people. Even today, europeans would be completely ignorant of these people. Matter of fact, Over the internet right now, I may be talking to thousands of "black" people and never know it..... oooooh wow! You are smoking some crack there buddy...
LMAO!!!!!! I NEVER SMOKED CRACK MAN. IF I DID IT WAS SUPPLIED BY WHITE AMERICA. IF THEY (europeans) HAD NEVER INTERACTED WITH AFRICANS THE AFRICANS WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PERSECUTED BY THEM. THATS COMMON SENSE YET YOU ANSWER WITH "maybe". lmao! WHAT DOES THE INTERNET HAVE TO DO WITH IT???? WE DIDNT HAVE THE INTERNET 400 YEARS AGO!!! LMAO!!!!WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PAST NOT THE PRESENT!!!

@ TENK HE SAI DTHIS TO YOU
wow, you've lived for 350 years?!? Oh wait.... you're the individual who keeps affiliating himself with that group.... go figure!
HE DOESNT WANT YOU TO IDENTIFY WITH BLACKS OR SLAVERY. HE WANTS YOU TO FORGET THE PAST AND PRETEND THAT IT NEVER HAPPENED.


THIS GUY IS STUCK IN THE INTERNET OR IN THE MATRIX (THE ACTUAL MOVIE LIKE THAT GIRL WHO WAS STUCK IN THE TV IN POLTERGEIST!!! HE DOES NOT SEE REALITY. THE ONLY THING HE COMES WITH IS THE MATRIX AND NEW AGE BULLSHIT. HE WATCHES "CHANNEL ZERO".

SOMEONE TAKE HIS REMOTE AND PASS HIM A BOOK.

TENK I ADVISE YOU TO LEAVE THIS ARGUEMENT AND LET THIS GUY SOAK IN STUPIDITY.

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"for ANYONE to think like me would be IMPOSSIBLE. they would have to BE me. dont try to turn the question back on me with that VOILA bullshit. YOU said that the civil rights leaders were contradictory. in fact you said MOST of them. BACK YOUR VIEWS AND GIVE EXAMPLES!!!!! IF YOU CANT YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS WITH NO FACT TO VALIDATE THEM.IN FACT NAME 15 THAT THINK LIKE ME LOL!!!! THIS GUY!!!"




THINK *LIKE* YOU! "LIKE" AS IN "SIMILAR"... OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ARE DEFENDING A LOT OF THESE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS THEN THEY MUST SHARE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VIEWS WITH YOU.
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"YOU SHOULD FEEL STUPID. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE CLAIMS AND CANT BACK THEM UP. NAME 15 CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS THAT WERE CONTRADICTORY."



IF YOU STUDY UNDER THEM THEN I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THEM, FOR THE MOST PART. UNLESS YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO INTERPRETS WHAT THEY SAY AS SOMETHING ELSE. IN ANY CASE, I DO NOT NEED TO QUOTE THEM OR EVEN KNOW THEIR NAMES TO HAVE CREDIBILITY. I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THEM. WHEN YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THESE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS, I RESPONDED IN REGARDS TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT *YOU* ABIDE BY THEM, AT LEAST CERTAIN ONES. I DIDNT SAY ANY NAMES, BECAUSE I DO NOT STUDY THEM. THEREFORE, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE 10 OR 15 NAMES, PICK SOME THAT YOU AGREE WITH.
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"IF YOU CANT DISTINGUISH A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "AFRICAN" AND "AFRICAN AMERICAN" YOUR LOST"



*AFRICAN: A NATIVE PERSON OF THE CONTINENT AFRICA

*AFRICAN AMERICAN: AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WHO HAS AFRICAN ANCESTRY
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"LAY THAT COMIC BOOK SHIT DOWN AND PICK UP A REAL BOOK MAN."


I DON'T READ COMICS... YOU READ COMICS BY MARCUS GARVEY
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"DID I SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE NO AFRICANS IN AMERICA? OR DID I SAY YOU WOULDNT HAVE "AFRICAN AMERICANS"




YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT AN "AFRICAN AMERICAN" IS SOMEONE WHO HAS AFRICAN ANCESTRY, AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS MIXED IN. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG! THE BASIC DEFINITON OF "AFRICAN AMERICAN" IS ONE WHO RESIDES IN AMERICA BUT HAS ANCESTRY IN AFRICA. YES, IT IS TRUE THAT MANY AFRICAN AMERICANS ALSO HAVE OTHER THINGS MIXED IN WITH THEM, HENCE DIFFERENT SHADES. BUT YOU MERELY SAID, "AFRICAN AMERICANS", NOT "AFRICAN AMERICANS MIXED WITH A LITTLE SPANISH". I WORK WITH A GUY ON MY SHIP STRAIGHT FROM NIGERIA. HE IS VERY DARK. BY YOUR DEFINITION HE IS NOT AN AFRICAN AMERICAN. BUT YOUR WORD IS VOID OF KNOWLEDGE...
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"LMAO!!!!! THEY WOULD BE *****AFRICAN***** NOT "AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!! ETHIOPIANS ARE NOT MIXED WITH "WHITE". THE ZULUS ARE NOT MIXED WITH NATIVE AMERICAN. THE ***MAJORITY*** OF "AFRICAN AMERICANS" ARE COMPRISED OF SEVERAL GROUPS. WE ARE "WATERED DOWN" VERSIONS OF OUR PEOPLE AND THE TERRIBLE PART ABOUT IT IS MOST OF US DONT KNOW WHO WE ARE."




YOU, I MUST SAY, ARE INCREDIBLY, OVER THE TOP STUPID. SORRY, IT HAD TO BE SAID. DONT TAKE IT PERSONAL. NOW...

IF AN ETHIOPIAN IS TO OBTAIN CITIZENSHIP HERE, HE/SHE IS CONSIDERED AN "ETHIOPIAN AMERICAN". YOU ARE FOOLISH TO THINK THAT THIS ETHIOPIAN NEEDS TO BE MIXED WITH "WHITE" TO BE AMERICAN. NOW I SEE WHERE YOU GET YOUR IDIOCY.

"WATERED DOWN VERSIONS OF YOUR PEOPLE"??
THAT STATEMENT IS EXTREMELY RACIST. AND IT IS SO DEEPLY INDULGED IN NOTHING BEYOND BODILY CONCEPTION.

AND ITS SAD TO YOU THAT THESE "WATERED DOWN" PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE??
WHO ARE THEY? ARE *YOU* GOING TO TELL THEM WHO THEY ARE? OR ARE YOU GOING TO BULLSHIT THEM WITH YOUR FLESH LOGIC?
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"I NEVER SAID THIS. IF YOU WOULD READ PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD SEE THAT I SAID AFRICANS WERE IN AMERICA BEFORE SLAVERY HOWEVER THAT DOESNT MAKE THEM "AFRICAN AMERICAN". THAT MAKES THEM AFRICANS *IN* AMERICA."




NOPE. YOU ARE MISTAKEN. THE DEFINITION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH NEEDS TO BE RE-EVALUATED.
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"LMAO!!!!!THEY ARE STUPID SO YOU RESORT TO MANIPULATING THEM INTO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT. THE QUESTIONS ARE STUPID LIKE YOUR STATEMENT THAT MOST CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS WERE IN CONTRADICTION. AT LEAST I CAN EXPLAIN MYSELF....."



YOU BROUGHT UP THE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS. THEY ARE "YOUR" CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS. IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM, COUNT THEM FIFTEEN AND REGARD THEIR NAMES.
YOU NEVER EXPLAINED YOURSELF ABOUT THE "BY PRODUCT" REPLY...
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"ITS NOT A POINTLESS RANT AND TENKS POST SUMMED IT UP. THE REASON WHY BLACKS HAVE TEH MENTALITY THAT THEY HAVE IS BECAUSE OF RACISM AND PERSECUTION IN AMERICA. THAT MENTALITY IS THE BY PRODUCT,AFTER EFFECT,BACK LASH."



I AM NOT SURPRISED AND HARDLY AMUSED THAT YOU HAVE FINGERS. AND ALSO, THAT YOU CAN POINT THOSE FINGERS. YOU HAVE SHOWN NO ONE A SPECK OF INTELLIGENCE BY POINTING THE FINGER. SORRY, REALITY IS JUST A BIT DEEPER THAN THAT... MEDITATE ON IT.
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"YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. YOU SOW SEEDS OF DISCORD YOU WILL REAP THEM IN RETURN. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS. HOW IS IT A POINTLESS RANT WHEN ITS RELEVENT TO TEH TOPIC? YOU THREW OUT A POINTLESS STATEMENT. NAME 15 LEADERS."



WHY MENTION IT BEING A "BY PRODUCT" IF THERE WAS NOT A POINT ATTEMPTING TO BE JUSTIFIED? IF I SLAP THE SHIT OUT OF YOU AND THEN YOU SLAP THE SHIT OUT OF ME, WAS I RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTION? SINCE IT WAS I WHO STARTED THE VIOLENCE, DOES THE RAISING OF YOUR HAND AND THE SWING ACROSS MY FACE GET JUSTIFIED BY WHAT I DID? IF THIS VERY ACT OF YOURS IS A "BY PRODUCT" OF WHAT I DID, THEN WHAT I DID HAS POWER OVER HOW YOU REACTED. BECAUSE, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER YOUR HAND SLAPPING ME ACROSS MY FACE. I, BY USE OF MY SUPER MIND POWERS, MADE YOUR HAND SLAP ME...
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"LMAO!!!!!! I NEVER SMOKED CRACK MAN. IF I DID IT WAS SUPPLIED BY WHITE AMERICA. IF THEY (europeans) HAD NEVER INTERACTED WITH AFRICANS THE AFRICANS WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PERSECUTED BY THEM. THATS COMMON SENSE YET YOU ANSWER WITH "maybe". lmao! WHAT DOES THE INTERNET HAVE TO DO WITH IT???? WE DIDNT HAVE THE INTERNET 400 YEARS AGO!!! LMAO!!!!WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PAST NOT THE PRESENT!!!"




THAT WAS THE REASON THERE WAS RACISM...CUZ EUROPEANS HAD NEVER INTERACTED WITH AFRICANS!!!!! WHEN THEY FINALLY DID, THEY CREATED THEIR RACIST CONCEPTS ABOUT THEM. YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF EUROPEANS HAD NEVER, EVEN TO THIS DAY, INTERACTED WITH AFRICANS. YOU ARE ALSO IMPLYING THAT IF EUROPEANS NEVER WENT TO AFRICA 400 YEARS AGO, THERE WOULD BE NO TYPE OF INTERACTION TODAY. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? PEOPLE TO JUST NOT INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AT ALL, EVER? ARE YOU SERIOUS? THIS MUST BE THE "SAFE" WAY OF DOING THINGS. CUZ YA KNOW, BY INTERACTING AT ALL, WE CAME TO RACISM BETWEEN THE 2. THEREFORE, YOUR LOGIC IS THAT WE SHOULD NEVER INTERACT. YOU MUST SEE THE IDIOCY IN THAT! THE REASON THAT THERE WAS STARTED RACISM IS BECAUSE THEY HAD NEVER INTERACTED. ONCE THEY DID, THEY CREATED THEIR OWN STEREOTYPES ABOUT THEM AND IT LED TO RACISM. BUT, IF TO THIS DAY, EUROPEANS NEVER HAD INTERACTED WITH AFRICANS, THIS WOULD NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. ONLY **AVOID** IT. PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN TO COME TOGETHER, NOT AVOID EACH OTHER...
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"HE DOESNT WANT YOU TO IDENTIFY WITH BLACKS OR SLAVERY. HE WANTS YOU TO FORGET THE PAST AND PRETEND THAT IT NEVER HAPPENED."




YOU CAN NOT SPEAK FOR ALL "BLACK" PEOPLE. SO FOR YOU TO IDENTIFY WITH A GROUP LABELED, "BLACK", IS YOUR STEREOTYPING PEOPLE AND ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE ALL THE SAME AND THAT YOU ALL AGREE. YOU DONT! NOT ALL "WHITE" PEOPLE ARE THE SAME. YOU REMAIN THE *INDIVIDUAL* THAT KEEPS AFFILIATING HIMSELF WITH A GROUP. YOU ARE IN CONTRADICTION. YOU ARE STEREOTYPING. YOU ARE RACIST. YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO FIT INTO A GROUP OF PEOPLE MERELY BY THE PETTY MATERIAL CONCEPTION OF NATIONALITY AND COLOR OF SKIN. AND THEN YOU ARE TRYING TO DRAG ALL PEOPLE WHO YOU CONCEIVE IN THIS "GROUP" ALONG WITH YOUR HALF-WISE VIEWS. SAYING THAT YOU ARE ALL LIKE THIS. SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF. "YOUR PEOPLE" DO NOT ABIDE UNDER A COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS... "YOUR PEOPLE" ARE INDIVIDUALS. STOP TRYING TO TAINT OTHERS WITH YOUR IGNORANCE!
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YOUR BEING IS BOUND TO THIS CONCEPTION OF A "GROUP". REMEMBER, ITS "YOUR" PEOPLE, "YOUR" CULTURE, AND "YOUR" STRUGGLE. YOU ARE BOUND. THIS IS YOUR MATRIX. AND BECAUSE YOU ARE BOUND YOU ATTEMPT TO BIND OTHER PEOPLE BY KEEPING THEM AS "YOUR PEOPLE". YOU SPEAK FOR THEM AS IF THEY ARE ALL THE SAME AS YOU. YOU ALSO LET THEM SPEAK FOR YOU AS IF YOU ARE THE SAME AS THEM. IT IS A PARTNERSHIP BONDAGE. MISERY LOVES COMPANY...
 
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n9newunsixx5150 is a devil using trick knowledge to try and decieve you into thinkin you aint black. Heresy and Tenkamenin, yall both have more patience than me for this mentally ill fuck, just let him die in his OWN iniquity.
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Think hard.... no wait, not too hard... and remember that the reason it was conceived in the first place as a "color" issue is because of the racist bastards who were lynching people. Now jump into your delorean, travel to present day, and tell me that the same mind-state which these "racist bastards" used is justified for you to use in this "fight against racism".
What fight are you talking about? Saying "I'm black and proud"?

We are talking about 2 different issues that broke off to different branches. What I've been trying to tell you is that saying "I'm black and proud" is not a fight against white people today, it's a fight within a black persons heart. It's a fight within a black persons head, which you shouldn't be concerned about, because you clearly don't understand it....

We haven't even talked about the fight against racism today. Do you realize that? We have talked about racism in the past and how it affected todays blacks, but we haven't talked about fighting the discrimination blacks face in the present day..... We are talking about the personal battles a black person has within themselves. The wounds and scars that are still there....

Of course color was an issue. And who made it an issue? Thats right... the "racist bastards"! Are you a "racist bastard"? I hope not.
No color is still an issue, and there are various stats out there that show that color is still a big deal today....Like i've said before, just because the jim crow law and slavery is over it doesn't mean that racism withered away. It is still alive, don't give me the crap that I'm trying to keep it alive....Racist people are trying to keep it alive and they are trying to make it hell for other people.....

Now this all goes back to what Heresy said that we all need to know and respect other peoples culture and philosophy. The more we understand other peoples culture, the more we understand them and start to respect them..... This is the fight against racism, and not denying it like your trying to propose....

reasonable" to you, would only be accepted after I put my chains on... and i am not speaking about my mister T memoribilia... but I still pity the fool
Quit putting words in my mouth. I don't care if you had chains on your hand or not, all I wanted was for you to answer the damn question. You don't have to be locked up to do that...If you want to, then fine, just as long as you answer the fuggin questions...

There really ins't ANY specifics on any type of racism, black or white. Racism itself does not only exist within either white or black. Not all racism is white against black, just as not all racism is black against white...
I am not in "denial". I know there are "color issues". But, who created the "color issues"?
Than what are color issues? One of the color issues is racism....

So, now you speak for all people who's skin appears under the label "black". How does this compromise your *individuality*?
Your going to have to elaborate on your last question....

How long is a tainted perception of reality justified? When does one realize that pointing the finger solves no problems? The "abrakadabra" post was directed at your "chittlings" stereotype. If "your" culture is based around stereotypes you disagree with, then do not affiliate it into your reality. Abide by what will help you to grow. You are continuing your attempt at justifying your struggle. Keep in there guy, you may get a book deal soon. Remember, your struggle defines you as a person. Without it, you are nothing.
The finger is pointed at the person who created the problem. When will people quit denying the affects of slavery and jim crow law on the black community? That is straight up pitiful and IGNORANT. Actions need to be accounted for....No one is pointing at just whites, blacks can point at themselves. However when we try to FIX our OWN problems like loving our skin color, we have people like you spewing nonsense. We do one thing you don't like it, we do another thing you don't like it...lol!!

I *HAVE* experienced many levels of tainted reality. Enlightenment knows no taintedness. If everY woman I ever loved cheated on me and tried to kill me, residing my thought based on my limited experience of reality, I would become bitterly sexist. But, because my conceptions are so much greater I do not become tainted. One may justify their own bondage by saying things like, "I am a product of my environment", but its only hurting them. If I was a "product of my environment", I would most likely be racist and sexist. Because all I have to do is know a few "black" people or a few women who did me wrong to justify it in my own mind.
Are you trying to compare being cheated on to physical and verbal abuse? They both bring about different emotions....The thing is not everyone is WEIRD like you dawg. We all have our own emotions and we all deal with our problems differently.

wow, you've lived for 350 years?!? Oh wait.... you're the individual who keeps affiliating himself with that group.... go figure!
Abuse that has been past and kept alive for 350 yrs, we still feel the abuse. Like I've mentioned just take the light skin dark skin issue in the black community, this problem roots back to slave field. I guess you didn't know that then with that dumb ass response. Don't come back here and claim you know the dark skin light skin issue in the black community, because if you did, you wouldn't have that ignorant ass response....


No other race? I thought there was no other race!? Aren't we all "black"? aww shit, I really wanted to fit in. I always liked playing superheroes when i was younger. My favorite was "INDIVIDUAL-GROUP MAN"!!!!!!
Sorry you can't be black.....Be proud of who you are though...lol!!

SERIOUSLY FOR A SPLIT SECOND...
you keep conceiving reality based on the conceptions of those "racist bastards". This is exactly why I tell you about your bondage.
Those racist bastards continue to keep it alive.....

CHANGE THE VIEWS of those racist bastards, and you will see no problem with me. Trying to work with me does your fight ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD....

I bet my daddy could beat up your daddy!
OK, I think I may have to put an end to this discussion with you before you start talking about Star Trek and how it deals with the black community...lol!!
 
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n9newunsixx5150 is a devil using trick knowledge to try and decieve you into thinkin you aint black. Heresy and Tenkamenin, yall both have more patience than me for this mentally ill fuck, just let him die in his OWN iniquity.
PEACE
LOL!! I just find it fun arguing with him.....

He's been stumped for awhile now....