THE RACE WAR.
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@Guillotine
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"n9newunsixx5150 is a devil using trick knowledge to try and decieve you into thinkin you aint black. Heresy and Tenkamenin, yall both have more patience than me for this mentally ill fuck, just let him die in his OWN iniquity."
LMAO@"devil"
LMAO@"trick knowledge"
your thought abides under the illusion of the material world. Your thought is based on worldly deception. Deception is the tool of the devil. I speak of deeper spiritual reality, rather than these material conceptions. You remain bound by the power of the devil, as I am attempting to show you the way out of this bondage. You are too comfortable with the illusion so you deny any word which goes against your preconceived notions of reality. You do not see what I say as truth because your vision is clouded by the devil. But you like it this way. This is your struggle and it defines YOU!
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@Tenk
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"What fight are you talking about? Saying "I'm black and proud"?"
the one against racism. Unless deep down you enjoy racism. In that case, sorry for disturbing you...
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"We are talking about 2 different issues that broke off to different branches. What I've been trying to tell you is that saying "I'm black and proud" is not a fight against white people today, it's a fight within a black persons heart. It's a fight within a black persons head, which you shouldn't be concerned about, because you clearly don't understand it...."
You should not have to remind yourself of your PRIDE. And you should not have to stoop to the level of conceiving your skin color as the building of your pride. Your skin color, ethnicity, culture, etc, do NOT ultimately define you. You define these things. Either you are a slave to them, or you have self-mastery. From everything that you have posted on this thread portrays that you are a slave. Of course, in your eyes it is proposterous to even consider freedom from this bondage. All the other slaves would look at you as a traitor. All the other slaves only wish to keep as many people as they can, down. Because misery loves company...
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"We haven't even talked about the fight against racism today. Do you realize that? We have talked about racism in the past and how it affected todays blacks, but we haven't talked about fighting the discrimination blacks face in the present day..... We are talking about the personal battles a black person has within themselves. The wounds and scars that are still there...."
We have been talking both about the internal struggle and the external struggle, in different parts of the conversation. Tell me about YOUR "wounds and scars". Do not tell me about "black people's wounds and scars". This needs to be an individual thing. Otherwise somebody would be getting robbed of their individuality.
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"No color is still an issue, and there are various stats out there that show that color is still a big deal today....Like i've said before, just because the jim crow law and slavery is over it doesn't mean that racism withered away. It is still alive, don't give me the crap that I'm trying to keep it alive....Racist people are trying to keep it alive and they are trying to make it hell for other people....."
YES... RACIST PEOPLE ARE KEEPING RACISM ALIVE!! YOU ARE CORRECT. THE "COLOR ISSUE" IS STILL KEPT ALIVE BY RACIST PEOPLE. SO WHY DO YOU IDENTIFY AND DEFINE YOURSELF TO THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN?? IS THAT NOT A "COLOR ISSUE"? IS THAT NOT THE VERY MIND BEHIND RACISM? RACIST BASTARDS MADE COLOR AN ISSUE. ONCE AGAIN I ASK... ARE YOU A RACIST BASTARD??
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"Now this all goes back to what Heresy said that we all need to know and respect other peoples culture and philosophy. The more we understand other peoples culture, the more we understand them and start to respect them..... This is the fight against racism, and not denying it like your trying to propose...."
THE ONLY THING I AM DENYING IS THE POWER THESE THINGS HAVE OVER YOU. IF YOUR WHOLE EXISTENCE IS BASED ON A STRUGGLE, YOU WILL ONE DAY HAVE TO WAKE UP TO ASK YOURSELF, "AM I THIS STRUGGLE? DOES THIS STRUGGLE ABSOLUTELY DEFINE ME? IF SO, WHO HAS THE POWER, ME OR THE STRUGGLE? IF I AM BOUND TO MY CONCEPTION OF THIS "BLACK" STRUGGLE, YET I WISH TO BE RID OF IT...
WILL THE FURTHER CONCEPTION OF MY BODY, MY "COLOR", EVEN IN A POSITIVE MANNER, GOING TO EVER GET ME OVER THIS STRUGGLE IF IT WAS THIS BODILY CONCEPTION THAT GOT ME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?"
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"Than what are color issues? One of the color issues is racism...."
You need to be more clear with what you are asking here.
One of the color issues is racism?? Then what is/are the other color issue(s)?
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"Your going to have to elaborate on your last question...."
Which question?
1. I know there are "color issues". But, who created the "color issues"?
or
2. So, now you speak for all people who's skin appears under the label "black". How does this compromise your *individuality*?
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"The finger is pointed at the person who created the problem."
Ok, give me his/her name.
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"n9newunsixx5150 is a devil using trick knowledge to try and decieve you into thinkin you aint black. Heresy and Tenkamenin, yall both have more patience than me for this mentally ill fuck, just let him die in his OWN iniquity."
LMAO@"devil"
LMAO@"trick knowledge"
your thought abides under the illusion of the material world. Your thought is based on worldly deception. Deception is the tool of the devil. I speak of deeper spiritual reality, rather than these material conceptions. You remain bound by the power of the devil, as I am attempting to show you the way out of this bondage. You are too comfortable with the illusion so you deny any word which goes against your preconceived notions of reality. You do not see what I say as truth because your vision is clouded by the devil. But you like it this way. This is your struggle and it defines YOU!
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@Tenk
quote:
"What fight are you talking about? Saying "I'm black and proud"?"
the one against racism. Unless deep down you enjoy racism. In that case, sorry for disturbing you...
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quote:
"We are talking about 2 different issues that broke off to different branches. What I've been trying to tell you is that saying "I'm black and proud" is not a fight against white people today, it's a fight within a black persons heart. It's a fight within a black persons head, which you shouldn't be concerned about, because you clearly don't understand it...."
You should not have to remind yourself of your PRIDE. And you should not have to stoop to the level of conceiving your skin color as the building of your pride. Your skin color, ethnicity, culture, etc, do NOT ultimately define you. You define these things. Either you are a slave to them, or you have self-mastery. From everything that you have posted on this thread portrays that you are a slave. Of course, in your eyes it is proposterous to even consider freedom from this bondage. All the other slaves would look at you as a traitor. All the other slaves only wish to keep as many people as they can, down. Because misery loves company...
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quote:
"We haven't even talked about the fight against racism today. Do you realize that? We have talked about racism in the past and how it affected todays blacks, but we haven't talked about fighting the discrimination blacks face in the present day..... We are talking about the personal battles a black person has within themselves. The wounds and scars that are still there...."
We have been talking both about the internal struggle and the external struggle, in different parts of the conversation. Tell me about YOUR "wounds and scars". Do not tell me about "black people's wounds and scars". This needs to be an individual thing. Otherwise somebody would be getting robbed of their individuality.
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quote:
"No color is still an issue, and there are various stats out there that show that color is still a big deal today....Like i've said before, just because the jim crow law and slavery is over it doesn't mean that racism withered away. It is still alive, don't give me the crap that I'm trying to keep it alive....Racist people are trying to keep it alive and they are trying to make it hell for other people....."
YES... RACIST PEOPLE ARE KEEPING RACISM ALIVE!! YOU ARE CORRECT. THE "COLOR ISSUE" IS STILL KEPT ALIVE BY RACIST PEOPLE. SO WHY DO YOU IDENTIFY AND DEFINE YOURSELF TO THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN?? IS THAT NOT A "COLOR ISSUE"? IS THAT NOT THE VERY MIND BEHIND RACISM? RACIST BASTARDS MADE COLOR AN ISSUE. ONCE AGAIN I ASK... ARE YOU A RACIST BASTARD??
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"Now this all goes back to what Heresy said that we all need to know and respect other peoples culture and philosophy. The more we understand other peoples culture, the more we understand them and start to respect them..... This is the fight against racism, and not denying it like your trying to propose...."
THE ONLY THING I AM DENYING IS THE POWER THESE THINGS HAVE OVER YOU. IF YOUR WHOLE EXISTENCE IS BASED ON A STRUGGLE, YOU WILL ONE DAY HAVE TO WAKE UP TO ASK YOURSELF, "AM I THIS STRUGGLE? DOES THIS STRUGGLE ABSOLUTELY DEFINE ME? IF SO, WHO HAS THE POWER, ME OR THE STRUGGLE? IF I AM BOUND TO MY CONCEPTION OF THIS "BLACK" STRUGGLE, YET I WISH TO BE RID OF IT...
WILL THE FURTHER CONCEPTION OF MY BODY, MY "COLOR", EVEN IN A POSITIVE MANNER, GOING TO EVER GET ME OVER THIS STRUGGLE IF IT WAS THIS BODILY CONCEPTION THAT GOT ME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?"
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quote:
"Than what are color issues? One of the color issues is racism...."
You need to be more clear with what you are asking here.
One of the color issues is racism?? Then what is/are the other color issue(s)?
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quote:
"Your going to have to elaborate on your last question...."
Which question?
1. I know there are "color issues". But, who created the "color issues"?
or
2. So, now you speak for all people who's skin appears under the label "black". How does this compromise your *individuality*?
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"The finger is pointed at the person who created the problem."
Ok, give me his/her name.
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@Tenk (cont...)
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"When will people quit denying the affects of slavery and jim crow law on the black community? That is straight up pitiful and IGNORANT. Actions need to be accounted for....No one is pointing at just whites, blacks can point at themselves. However when we try to FIX our OWN problems like loving our skin color, we have people like you spewing nonsense. We do one thing you don't like it, we do another thing you don't like it...lol!!"
No one here is denying the affects of racism. But if you are aware of certain things as "affects" in your own inner struggle, grow from them. Do not keep them as if they belong to you.
To "love your skin color" is not solving your problems. Your flesh is temporary. Stop living in lust. Love of the flesh is lust! By loving your skin you will get temporary satisfaction, because your skin is temporary. now that this is realized, where is your love? Your love should be in the spirit. This is why I keep telling you over and over about your downfall to material conceptions. YOUR FLESH IS TEMPORARY. LOVE WHAT IS ETERNAL. ANYTHING ELSE IS LUST! pure and simple. This is why, as long as you "love" your flesh, you remain confined to this karma. This karma I speak of is the very essence of racism. It is the racist thought/conceptions that are dominant in the mind of the racist man/woman. Why, Tenk? Why do you continue to abide under these racist conceptions? Is it because, by freeing yourself from them, you feel your life will not have as much meaning? No longer will you hear that uplifting cry of "black power!"; no longer will this lust stimulate your mind the way a drug does; for a moment of your physical being until that lust dies with the flesh it was born from. Can you still love yourself for who you really are underneath? As well as love others for the same reason? Or are you ultimately bound to perceive your fellow human with such lustful vision? When does it end? When do you begin to heal? And once you, Tenk, have healed from this struggle, then you will be qualified to lead others to be healed of it also. Until then, you are the sickly attempting to heal the sickly by rubbing your wounds against other people's wounds. You are the blind attempting to lead the blind. It is going to take you to personally overcome these struggles, first. Then with your love for the spirit, reach out to other's who are currently in bondage. You must transcend to see all human struggles for what they really are. Then you will know exactly what is going on and how to help others heal...
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"Are you trying to compare being cheated on to physical and verbal abuse? They both bring about different emotions....The thing is not everyone is WEIRD like you dawg. We all have our own emotions and we all deal with our problems differently."
No, I am not comparing anything. Tainted reality is tainted reality. Yes we all have our emotions. One should not be mastered by their emotions, but rather, be master of their emotions. If you are a woman who has experienced much physical and verbal abuse from past relationships then you may be fearful of men. But, this fear is a controlling emotion. When you realize this, you must ask yourself, "when does the healing begin?" ... You can not be afraid forever. It is up to you to overcome. All the support you need comes from God...
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"Abuse that has been past and kept alive for 350 yrs, we still feel the abuse. Like I've mentioned just take the light skin dark skin issue in the black community, this problem roots back to slave field. I guess you didn't know that then with that dumb ass response. Don't come back here and claim you know the dark skin light skin issue in the black community, because if you did, you wouldn't have that ignorant ass response...."
You did not understand my response so you called it, "dumbass". You are not going to heal the sickly, being sickly yourself. Heal the individual, then you may begin healing others. Stop constricting yourself to this "group" conception. If others of this "group" are trying to keep you within its sickly confines, let them know you understand their struggle, but begin your healing. Then, when you are healed go back to those people and attempt to help them. Many will not wish to be helped. And yet, many more will not see how you are attempting to help them and they will label you things like "ignorant" and "weird". Do not lose hope in people, but at the same time, do not become attached to those who enjoy there suffering. You may soon find yourself in their shoes. Because lust can be very tempting...
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"Sorry you can't be black.....Be proud of who you are though"
I *love* who I am, just as I love who you are. But it isn't your flesh which I love; that would be lust. Love is for that which is eternal. What resides within you is within me, within us all. This is what is deserving of our love. This is the divine manifest within us. He is what animates us and gives us the wonders of life. But, we are the ones who suffer to our own endeavor due to our sins and ignorances. We are the ones who become to attached to our lusts. So attached even, that we begin to fight amongst ourselves over our flesh. We fight for lust...
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"Those racist bastards continue to keep it alive....."
Yes, you are correct. Do not abide by their ignorance. Do not justify other people's reactions to it when you know very well that they are also bound to the same racist conceptions...
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"CHANGE THE VIEWS of those racist bastards, and you will see no problem with me. Trying to work with me does your fight ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD...."
If the healing does not begin within you, then the healing does not begin.
You can not change the next man. You can attempt to teach, but they must make that change for themselves. You are not quite ready to begin helping others in the struggle. You still have your lustful attachments. "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak"... Let go of the flesh and look to the spirit. Your conception of who you are based on the love for your temporary flesh is false.
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"OK, I think I may have to put an end to this discussion with you before you start talking about Star Trek and how it deals with the black community...lol!!"
If I can find an example where Star Trek applies. This is called an "analogy". There is nothing wrong with analogies. But I stopped quoting the matrix for now since it was guiding you off track from the conversation...
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"When will people quit denying the affects of slavery and jim crow law on the black community? That is straight up pitiful and IGNORANT. Actions need to be accounted for....No one is pointing at just whites, blacks can point at themselves. However when we try to FIX our OWN problems like loving our skin color, we have people like you spewing nonsense. We do one thing you don't like it, we do another thing you don't like it...lol!!"
No one here is denying the affects of racism. But if you are aware of certain things as "affects" in your own inner struggle, grow from them. Do not keep them as if they belong to you.
To "love your skin color" is not solving your problems. Your flesh is temporary. Stop living in lust. Love of the flesh is lust! By loving your skin you will get temporary satisfaction, because your skin is temporary. now that this is realized, where is your love? Your love should be in the spirit. This is why I keep telling you over and over about your downfall to material conceptions. YOUR FLESH IS TEMPORARY. LOVE WHAT IS ETERNAL. ANYTHING ELSE IS LUST! pure and simple. This is why, as long as you "love" your flesh, you remain confined to this karma. This karma I speak of is the very essence of racism. It is the racist thought/conceptions that are dominant in the mind of the racist man/woman. Why, Tenk? Why do you continue to abide under these racist conceptions? Is it because, by freeing yourself from them, you feel your life will not have as much meaning? No longer will you hear that uplifting cry of "black power!"; no longer will this lust stimulate your mind the way a drug does; for a moment of your physical being until that lust dies with the flesh it was born from. Can you still love yourself for who you really are underneath? As well as love others for the same reason? Or are you ultimately bound to perceive your fellow human with such lustful vision? When does it end? When do you begin to heal? And once you, Tenk, have healed from this struggle, then you will be qualified to lead others to be healed of it also. Until then, you are the sickly attempting to heal the sickly by rubbing your wounds against other people's wounds. You are the blind attempting to lead the blind. It is going to take you to personally overcome these struggles, first. Then with your love for the spirit, reach out to other's who are currently in bondage. You must transcend to see all human struggles for what they really are. Then you will know exactly what is going on and how to help others heal...
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quote:
"Are you trying to compare being cheated on to physical and verbal abuse? They both bring about different emotions....The thing is not everyone is WEIRD like you dawg. We all have our own emotions and we all deal with our problems differently."
No, I am not comparing anything. Tainted reality is tainted reality. Yes we all have our emotions. One should not be mastered by their emotions, but rather, be master of their emotions. If you are a woman who has experienced much physical and verbal abuse from past relationships then you may be fearful of men. But, this fear is a controlling emotion. When you realize this, you must ask yourself, "when does the healing begin?" ... You can not be afraid forever. It is up to you to overcome. All the support you need comes from God...
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"Abuse that has been past and kept alive for 350 yrs, we still feel the abuse. Like I've mentioned just take the light skin dark skin issue in the black community, this problem roots back to slave field. I guess you didn't know that then with that dumb ass response. Don't come back here and claim you know the dark skin light skin issue in the black community, because if you did, you wouldn't have that ignorant ass response...."
You did not understand my response so you called it, "dumbass". You are not going to heal the sickly, being sickly yourself. Heal the individual, then you may begin healing others. Stop constricting yourself to this "group" conception. If others of this "group" are trying to keep you within its sickly confines, let them know you understand their struggle, but begin your healing. Then, when you are healed go back to those people and attempt to help them. Many will not wish to be helped. And yet, many more will not see how you are attempting to help them and they will label you things like "ignorant" and "weird". Do not lose hope in people, but at the same time, do not become attached to those who enjoy there suffering. You may soon find yourself in their shoes. Because lust can be very tempting...
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quote:
"Sorry you can't be black.....Be proud of who you are though"
I *love* who I am, just as I love who you are. But it isn't your flesh which I love; that would be lust. Love is for that which is eternal. What resides within you is within me, within us all. This is what is deserving of our love. This is the divine manifest within us. He is what animates us and gives us the wonders of life. But, we are the ones who suffer to our own endeavor due to our sins and ignorances. We are the ones who become to attached to our lusts. So attached even, that we begin to fight amongst ourselves over our flesh. We fight for lust...
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quote:
"Those racist bastards continue to keep it alive....."
Yes, you are correct. Do not abide by their ignorance. Do not justify other people's reactions to it when you know very well that they are also bound to the same racist conceptions...
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quote:
"CHANGE THE VIEWS of those racist bastards, and you will see no problem with me. Trying to work with me does your fight ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD...."
If the healing does not begin within you, then the healing does not begin.
You can not change the next man. You can attempt to teach, but they must make that change for themselves. You are not quite ready to begin helping others in the struggle. You still have your lustful attachments. "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak"... Let go of the flesh and look to the spirit. Your conception of who you are based on the love for your temporary flesh is false.
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"OK, I think I may have to put an end to this discussion with you before you start talking about Star Trek and how it deals with the black community...lol!!"
If I can find an example where Star Trek applies. This is called an "analogy". There is nothing wrong with analogies. But I stopped quoting the matrix for now since it was guiding you off track from the conversation...
:dead: LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
916 i read one of your responses and i refuse to reply. AFRICAN AMERICANS are comprised of SEVERAL races/nationalities/people.
RAPE is a factor. slaves running away and joining NATIVE tribes is a factor. pick up a history book man.
@guillotine LMAO!!!!!! im GLAD you also peeped what he was doing.
@tenk i suggest you leave this guy alone. its no use of going back and fourth with him.
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916 i read one of your responses and i refuse to reply. AFRICAN AMERICANS are comprised of SEVERAL races/nationalities/people.
RAPE is a factor. slaves running away and joining NATIVE tribes is a factor. pick up a history book man.
@guillotine LMAO!!!!!! im GLAD you also peeped what he was doing.
@tenk i suggest you leave this guy alone. its no use of going back and fourth with him.
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@H
Many African Americans are comprised of different things. I am not disagreeing with you. But, if a man is full-blood African and they live and have citizenship in America, then they are technically African American. Like my example with the man who works on my ship. He is from Nigeria. He is very dark skinned and has the accent. Yet, he is considered African American. Just because most African Americans aren't full-blood African does not mean that the definition of "African American" is a person who is only mixed with African. The definition is simple. A person with African ancestry who resides and has citizenship in America. Full-blood or not.
Of course rape is a factor. But this still doesn't overrule the fact I stated above. I do not need to "pick up a history book man". I already uderstand these things. Your definitions are half-wise, obviously, because there are acceptions to it; ie: the man from Nigeria on my ship. Matter of fact, there was another man from Nigeria who went through basic training with me back in 2000. These people aren't just "Africans in America". They are AFRICAN AMERICANS.
Many African Americans are comprised of different things. I am not disagreeing with you. But, if a man is full-blood African and they live and have citizenship in America, then they are technically African American. Like my example with the man who works on my ship. He is from Nigeria. He is very dark skinned and has the accent. Yet, he is considered African American. Just because most African Americans aren't full-blood African does not mean that the definition of "African American" is a person who is only mixed with African. The definition is simple. A person with African ancestry who resides and has citizenship in America. Full-blood or not.
Of course rape is a factor. But this still doesn't overrule the fact I stated above. I do not need to "pick up a history book man". I already uderstand these things. Your definitions are half-wise, obviously, because there are acceptions to it; ie: the man from Nigeria on my ship. Matter of fact, there was another man from Nigeria who went through basic training with me back in 2000. These people aren't just "Africans in America". They are AFRICAN AMERICANS.