THE RACE WAR.

[HERESY]

QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SINCE YOU FEEL THAT ANYONE FIGHTING AGAINST A RACIST BUILT SOCIETY AND ABIDING UNDER IT IS A CONTRADICTION ARE YOU SAYING

1.PEOPLE SHOULD NOT SPEAK OUT AND TRY TO CHANGE IT?

2.ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE GREAT ABOLISHONISTS (SPELLING) AND CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS WERE IN ERROR AND CONTRADICTORY?

3.DO YOU FEEL ONE MUST LEAVE THIS RACIST BUILT SOCIETY?

PLEASE ANSWER THESE 3 (NO IN DEPTH ANSWERS NEEDED YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE FOR NOW)

So, when it is said, "The reality of the social construction of race within our society needs to be understood more clearly.", it does not mean that we should ultimately perceive the differences between people

I UNDERSTAND THIS. NOR IM I IMPLYING THAT WE SHOULD ULTIMATELY PERCEIVE THE DIFFERENCES OF PEOPLE AND LET IT BE THE DECIDING FACTOR IN OUR JUDGEMENT(DEALINGS) WITH THEM.

it means we should understand that this society is built on racist ideas. And it is not one "group" of people's fault for this. It is everyone's responsibility. As long as we fight against racism within the confines of its ignorance we are slaves...

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MEANS WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SOCIETY IS BUILT UPON RACIST IDEAS. *THATS WHY I POSTED IT*!

who's responsibilty is it when 2 groups of people were minding there own business but another group of people came and butchered them?

Like many of these "anti-racists". They mean well, but they do not see how they remain slaves to that which they fight against...

how much racism do you experience on a daily basis? do you get pulled over because of your skin color? do you get followed in stores because of your skin color? do you have to wait a long time to get seated at a eatery because of your skin color? do you have a concern about people spitting or jacking off in your food because of your skin color? do you have a fear of being turned down for a loan or credit extension because of your skin color?

how do YOU (916) understand "the fight"?

I am counting how many times you turn a blind eye to reality.

im not turning a blind eye to reality. you DONT know what its like to walk in the shoes of a black man in america. no matter HOW MANY PAGES *YOU* PUT ON BLACK PLANET,NO MATTER HOW MANY BLACK WOMEN YOU BANG,NO MATTER HOW MANY BLACK "FRIENDS" YOU HAVE YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO WALK IN MY SHOES. SO WHO IS TURNING THE BLIND EYE TO REALITY? IF IM SAYING THAT I DONT CARE ABOUT A PERSONS COLOR AND I WILL NETWORK WITH *ANYONE* AS LONG AS THEY WILL TREAT ME THE SAME HOW IS THAT TURNING A BLIND EYE TO REALITY? YOU HAVE A WARPED VIEW ABOUT REALITY THATS LIMITED TO THE CONFINES OF YOUR FEEBLE WORLD (BRAIN)......

If "they" tell me its "them vs. me" that's their ignorance.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD ITS "US" VS "THEM"

RICH VS POOR

WHITE VS BLACK

AMERICA VS IRAQ

REPUBLICAN VS DEMOCRAT

YES ITS IGNORANT BUT THOSE ARE THE RULES NOW......

If they wish to harm me, then I have every justification to fight back. But, I do not fight back in regards to "them vs. us".

HOW CAN *YOU* FIGHT BACK AND ABIDE IN A SOCIETY FOUNDED ON RACISM?

SHOULD BLACK PEOPLE START FUCKING WHITE PEOPLE UP BECAUSE OF SLAVERY (PEOPLE LIKE YOU)?

I do not live in their foolishness. But, because I would rather live than die or be beaten, I will fight back. I am not preaching the amish life here... And by the way, you need to read in between the lines, perhaps then you will understand what I have been saying over and over again...

READ BETWEEN WHAT LINES? BASICALLY WHAT I GATHER FORM YOUR POSTS (AS LACKLUSTER AS THEY ARE) IS THAT WE SHOULD NOT LET DIFFERENCES DICTATE OUR LIVES,CHOICES ETC ETC ETC. IT SHOULDNT BE THE DECIDING FACTOR ON HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER. I AGREE HOWEVER I WILL SAY AGAIN......UNTIL ONE IS EDUCATED ABOUT THE HARDSHIPS OF ANOTHER......UNTIL ONE COMES CLEAN AND UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE OR SHE HAS DONE......YOU CANNOT RECONCILE AND GET OVER THE HURDLE....

Show me where there is a "change up" on my part. The mere fact that you perceive this "change up" shows that you do not understand what I am saying...

1.WHEN I AM USING THE TERM CHANGE UP AM I IMPLYING THAT YOU ARE CHANGING YOUR WORDS AND PREVIOUS VIEWS? OR AM I IMPLYING THAT THE ROLES WILL CHANGE?

2.SINCE YOU HAVE *NO* INFO AS TO HOW I MEANT IT/WHAT I MEANT HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT ITS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON MY PART?!?!

You have been turning a blind eye to the very essence of the plight.

I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE PLIGHT YET I AM AN ACTIVE PERSON IN MY COMMUNITY. I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF THE PLIGHT BUT PEOPLE STOP ME ON THE STREET AND ASK ME QUESTIONS ABOUT RACE RELATIONS. I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF THE PLIGHT YET I AM TELLING YOUNG BLACK MALES TO PUT DOWN THE GUNS AND DRUGS AND START PICKING UP BOOKS AND LEARNING ECONOMICS. I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE PLIGHT YET I HAVE DONE NON PROFIT/CHARITY WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO LACK.....

I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF IT BUT I HAVE TOLD MANY PEOPLE ON THE SICCNESS (AND OFFLINE) THAT *THEY* DIVIDE US AND CREATE SITUATIONS FOR US TO FIGHT.....BASED ON SKIN COLOR,EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND,ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL STATUS,VOTING PARTY ETC ETC ETC.....

I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF THE PLIGHT YET I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE LEADING BLACK AUTHORITY IN REGARDS TO SEPARATISM.....

JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO UNDERSTAND THE HARDSHIPS OF OTHERS?

I REPEAT apply what you just said to the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. after that apply it to AFRICAN AMERICANS.

No. Because that is racist! Every "white" person did not do these things. You are falling now to the illusion that you can ultimately judge people based where they come from or the color of their skin.

IM NOT FALLING INTO ANYTHING BECAUSE I DONT HOLD THAT VIEW. I HAVE *NEVER* GAVE ANY INDICATION THAT I HOLD THAT VIEW.

SHOULD AFRICAN AMEICANS RISE UP AND KILL THE WHITE PEOPLE WHO *DID* BENIFIT FROM OPRESSION? SHOULD AFRICAN AMERICANS RISE AND KILL THE LA POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE NY POLICE DEPT?

This quote is like asking if it is justified for all the Jews to kill every German. I said that people have the right to protect themselves, not go after a "group" of people for veangence. You are still thinking like a racist...

IM NOT ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I HOLD THESE VIEWS. EVIDENCE OF THIS IS ON PAGE 3 AND 4 OF THIS THREAD. I ASKED YOU THE QUESTIONS BASED ON **YOUR*** STATEMENTS. STOP POINTING THE FINGER.

I mean essentially. I did not wish for examples of racism. If I did I would have asked, "H, what are some good examples of racism?" What is racism to you? give me a more general definition...

WELL YOU DIDNT SAY ESSENTIALLY EITHER. HERE IS WHAT YOU SAID:

Let me ask you what racism is.... H, what is racism?

AS IT STANDS RACISM IS THE FOLLOWING:

RACISM IS anything done by the BILDERBERGERS or those who want to bring in the "AGE OF AQUARIUS"

RACISM IS the destruction of black wall street.

RACISM IS anything you can find on this page:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=...off&q=lynchings

RACISM IS AMERICA.

next time CLARIFY your question so you can get the answer you desire.

What is racism to you? give me a more general definition...

a superiority complex.....or a discrimination based on racial background......this applies to my four answers.....



:h:

EXCUSE ALL TYPOS I HAD NO TIME TO MAKE CORRECTIONS.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

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"1.PEOPLE SHOULD NOT SPEAK OUT AND TRY TO CHANGE IT?"



Yes, but not within the rules that were created by racist thought.
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"2.ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE GREAT ABOLISHONISTS (SPELLING) AND CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS WERE IN ERROR AND CONTRADICTORY?"



Yes, in the sense that many of them resulted to conceiving the fight as an "us vs. them" thing.
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"3.DO YOU FEEL ONE MUST LEAVE THIS RACIST BUILT SOCIETY?



No. Its not just the society, it is human thought. You may run away if you wish. But, how about starting with the way one thinks? How about educating people on the thought processes behind racism which lead to the injustices? How about starting with the root of the problem? Obviously, the other ways haven't been so effective.
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"who's responsibilty is it when 2 groups of people were minding there own business but another group of people came and butchered them?"




Ultimately, there are no "groups" of people. I only refer to this in order to speak on the same level as you. To answer your question: it is humans' responsibility. We are all in this together.
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"how much racism do you experience on a daily basis? do you get pulled over because of your skin color? do you get followed in stores because of your skin color? do you have to wait a long time to get seated at a eatery because of your skin color? do you have a concern about people spitting or jacking off in your food because of your skin color? do you have a fear of being turned down for a loan or credit extension because of your skin color?

how do YOU (916) understand "the fight"?"



I experience NO racism because I do not adhere to the concept of RACE. "the fight", is never short of everlasting unless we can stop conceiving of it as a "race" thing. The racists are the ones who started conceiving it in this manner. So it makes sense that people against racism, see it NOT in this manner.
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"im not turning a blind eye to reality. you DONT know what its like to walk in the shoes of a black man in america. no matter HOW MANY PAGES *YOU* PUT ON BLACK PLANET,NO MATTER HOW MANY BLACK WOMEN YOU BANG,NO MATTER HOW MANY BLACK "FRIENDS" YOU HAVE YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO WALK IN MY SHOES. SO WHO IS TURNING THE BLIND EYE TO REALITY? IF IM SAYING THAT I DONT CARE ABOUT A PERSONS COLOR AND I WILL NETWORK WITH *ANYONE* AS LONG AS THEY WILL TREAT ME THE SAME HOW IS THAT TURNING A BLIND EYE TO REALITY? YOU HAVE A WARPED VIEW ABOUT REALITY THATS LIMITED TO THE CONFINES OF YOUR FEEBLE WORLD (BRAIN)......"




If you do not care about another person's color then why do you care about yours? referring to yourself as "black". If the racists referred to you as a "black" man, "colored" man, ( a few more names I am sure you know of), then why is it that you abide by these labels? Why do you even remain slave to this bodily conception? I do not believe that having a Blackplanet page, dating "black" women, or having "black" friends means anything other than the obvious, which is, I have a BP page, date "black" women, and have "black" friends. I am not proposing my views only for the plight of the "black" man. They can be applied to all people. To change a society based on racist thought you must start with the individual. If you keep perceiving everything as a "this type of person (or group) hates another type of person (or group)", you are enduring the essence of racial thought. I do not need to be "black" or anything at all. I do not fall to the illusion of appearances. The coloration of my skin does not justify my words. I am speaking beyond bodily conception. You seem to think that one must look like you to understand the essence of racist thought.
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"AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IN THE WORLD ITS "US" VS "THEM"

RICH VS POOR

WHITE VS BLACK

AMERICA VS IRAQ

REPUBLICAN VS DEMOCRAT

YES ITS IGNORANT BUT THOSE ARE THE RULES NOW......"




Ok. Now, do you believe that fighting confined to these rules built upon racist thought are going to free you from racism??? The answer should be obvious...
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"HOW CAN *YOU* FIGHT BACK AND ABIDE IN A SOCIETY FOUNDED ON RACISM?"



I do not fight back and abide by racist thought. Racist thought is what built the society, I do not live by bodily conception.
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"SHOULD BLACK PEOPLE START FUCKING WHITE PEOPLE UP BECAUSE OF SLAVERY (PEOPLE LIKE YOU)?"



People like me?? I am niether "black" nor "white". I'll leave the battle to those remaining in that karma.
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I'll finish this in a few...

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

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"READ BETWEEN WHAT LINES? BASICALLY WHAT I GATHER FORM YOUR POSTS (AS LACKLUSTER AS THEY ARE) IS THAT WE SHOULD NOT LET DIFFERENCES DICTATE OUR LIVES,CHOICES ETC ETC ETC. IT SHOULDNT BE THE DECIDING FACTOR ON HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER. I AGREE..."




you understand this. Good, you're almost there. Now, try to let go what you *think* you are. It is this label which you have allowed yourself to be confined to and attempt to confine others to. Just as you attempt to confine me to being "white". These labels are racist...
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"HOWEVER I WILL SAY AGAIN......UNTIL ONE IS EDUCATED ABOUT THE HARDSHIPS OF ANOTHER......UNTIL ONE COMES CLEAN AND UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE OR SHE HAS DONE......YOU CANNOT RECONCILE AND GET OVER THE HURDLE...."




One will pay the consequences for their actions. Just as one who fights against racism remaining under racial thought will remain to suffer racism. When you "come clean" and "understand what *you* have done" you will trancend the hurdle. It all starts with freeing yourself from this racist thought. How can one who is still bound within this racist thought help others out of it? How can the blind lead the blind? break free from your chains before you attempt to break someone elses chains...
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"1.WHEN I AM USING THE TERM CHANGE UP AM I IMPLYING THAT YOU ARE CHANGING YOUR WORDS AND PREVIOUS VIEWS? OR AM I IMPLYING THAT THE ROLES WILL CHANGE?"



Then SHOW ME where I am changing my words or previous views.
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"2.SINCE YOU HAVE *NO* INFO AS TO HOW I MEANT IT/WHAT I MEANT HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT ITS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON MY PART?!?!"


Since you did not clarify what you meant, I assumed that you meant, "IMPLYING THAT I AM CHANGING MY WORDS AND PREVIOUS VIEWS". There has been no change of my views, or my words...
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"I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE PLIGHT YET I AM AN ACTIVE PERSON IN MY COMMUNITY. I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF THE PLIGHT BUT PEOPLE STOP ME ON THE STREET AND ASK ME QUESTIONS ABOUT RACE RELATIONS. I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF THE PLIGHT YET I AM TELLING YOUNG BLACK MALES TO PUT DOWN THE GUNS AND DRUGS AND START PICKING UP BOOKS AND LEARNING ECONOMICS. I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE PLIGHT YET I HAVE DONE NON PROFIT/CHARITY WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO LACK....."




thats wonderful. Unfortunately, without breaking free from the racist thought you have portrayed, all these things are just acts in vain. What good is economics to one who still abides under racist thought/society?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

quote:
"I TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE ESSENCE OF IT BUT I HAVE TOLD MANY PEOPLE ON THE SICCNESS (AND OFFLINE) THAT *THEY* DIVIDE US AND CREATE SITUATIONS FOR US TO FIGHT.....BASED ON SKIN COLOR,EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND,ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL STATUS,VOTING PARTY ETC ETC ETC....."



Good, then you understand. So why do you continue to portray this "division"?
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"JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO UNDERSTAND THE HARDSHIPS OF OTHERS?"



I am human.
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"I REPEAT apply what you just said to the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. after that apply it to AFRICAN AMERICANS."



Power is NOT a factor in racism. You can have no power at all and still abide under racist thought which would, by definition, make you a racist. Power is only needed to turn racism into a physical act. Would you suggest taking power from one group and giving it to the other? The point I made before was that if both groups abide under racist thought they are racist, no matter who has the power. Holy Roman Empire, African Americans, whoever. The master may have the power, but if the slave's state of mind is, "fuck all white people, they should die", then he/she is also racist, at least at that moment.
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"SHOULD AFRICAN AMEICANS RISE UP AND KILL THE WHITE PEOPLE WHO *DID* BENIFIT FROM OPRESSION? SHOULD AFRICAN AMERICANS RISE AND KILL THE LA POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE NY POLICE DEPT?"



If you do not hold this view then why are you typing it? I do not hold this view. It does not apply to me. So who does it apply to??
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"IM NOT ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I HOLD THESE VIEWS. EVIDENCE OF THIS IS ON PAGE 3 AND 4 OF THIS THREAD. I ASKED YOU THE QUESTIONS BASED ON **YOUR*** STATEMENTS. STOP POINTING THE FINGER."




And the answer was and still is, NO. This never applied to me. I am pointing the finger logically to the one who formulated the questions...
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"superiority complex.....or a discrimination based on racial background"


So where does power come into play? One can have little power and still hold the belief that he/she is superior.
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[HERESY]

Yes, but not within the rules that were created by racist thought.

if you say so.

Yes, in the sense that many of them resulted to conceiving the fight as an "us vs. them" thing.

in your OPINION they conceived it as that. can you please give me 10 people who fought for civil rights (during the 50's and 60's) and 10 abolishonist (check spelling again) who conceived the fight as us vs them?

No. Its not just the society, it is human thought. You may run away if you wish.

some dont feel leaving is "running away". its getting back to YOUR people and your roots.

But, how about starting with the way one thinks?

it starts with the person. I HAVE ALREADY STATED THIS.

How about educating people on the thought processes behind racism which lead to the injustices?

nothing is wrong with this. how many times have i said that one must be educated about the other?

How about starting with the root of the problem? Obviously, the other ways haven't been so effective.

what is the root to the problem? greed? who is the problem? i know for a fact that the problem isnt "the white man".....

Ultimately, there are no "groups" of people. I only refer to this in order to speak on the same level as you. To answer your question: it is humans' responsibility. We are all in this together.

CTFU! TELL THAT TO THE NATIVES WHO WERE BUTCHERED FOR NO REASON AT ALL.

I experience NO racism because I do not adhere to the concept of RACE. "the fight", is never short of everlasting unless we can stop conceiving of it as a "race" thing. The racists are the ones who started conceiving it in this manner. So it makes sense that people against racism, see it NOT in this manner.

YOU EXPERIENCE NO HARDSHIPS BASED ON YOUR SKIN COLOR. BY YOU BEING A WHITE MALE IN AMERICA YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPTED BY THE MAJORITY.

LAUGHING MY FUCKIN ASS OFF@"I DONT EXPERIENCE RACISM BECAUSE I DO NOT ADHERE TO THE CONCEPT OF RACE"!!!! I TELL YOU WHAT...YOU MAY NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM (DUE TO YOUR SKIN COLOR)......BUT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE PAIN IF A MAN DECIDES TO DESTROY *YOUR* BODY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING WHITE AMERICA DID TO HIM AND HIS PEOPLE.......

If you do not care about another person's color then why do you care about yours? referring to yourself as "black".

WHY SHOULD I NOT CARE ABOUT MY CULTURE? WHY SHOULD I NOT CARE ABOUT EVERY ASPECT AND MOLUCULE THAT MAKES ME? WHEN IT COMES TO NETWORKING ETC ETC ETC I DONT SAY "HE'S A WHITE BOY I WONT GET DOWN WITH HIM". READ WHAT IM TYPING SMITTY.

If the racists referred to you as a "black" man, "colored" man, ( a few more names I am sure you know of), then why is it that you abide by these labels?

I COULD ANSWER THIS SEVERAL WAYS.

1.BECAUSE I COULD BE A PRODUCT OF MY ENVIRONMENT.

2.BECAUSE MAYBE I DONT SEE HARM IN BEING CALLED BLACK OR COLORED.

3.MAYBE PEOPLE WHO WERE *NOT* RACIST ACTUALLY INVENTED THE TERMS......

Why do you even remain slave to this bodily conception?

JUST BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR CULTURE IS A RIP OFF OF SOMEONE ELSES DOESNT MEAN THAT MINE IS. WHO'S REMAINING A SLAVE TO THIS BODILY CONCEPTION? I HAVE SAID THAT WE ARE ALL HUMAN YET WE ARE DIFFERENT. WHY DO YOU KEEP BEATING A DEAD HORSE? YOU ARE TRYING TO DRIVE HOME A CONCEPT/IDEA THAT I ALREADY UNDERSTAND.

I do not believe that having a Blackplanet page, dating "black" women, or having "black" friends means anything other than the obvious, which is, I have a BP page, date "black" women, and have "black" friends. I am not proposing my views only for the plight of the "black" man. They can be applied to all people.

THATS GREAT...HOWEVER IT CANT BE APPLIED TO ALL PEOPLE.

To change a society based on racist thought you must start with the individual.

I HAVE PRETTY MUCH STATED THIS.

If you keep perceiving everything as a "this type of person (or group) hates another type of person (or group)", you are enduring the essence of racial thought.

ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU DONT READ THE POSTS. I DONT PERCEIVE EVRYTHING AS THIS TYPE OF PERSON HATES THIS TYPE OF PERSON ETC ETC ETC.......PLEASE REFER TO SOME OF MY EARLIER POSTS IN THIS THREAD.

I do not need to be "black" or anything at all.

THATS GREAT BUT I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH SOMEONE CALLING THEMSELF A HUMAN. NOR DO I SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH SOMEONE CALLING THEMSELF BLACK OR MEXICAN. IF THATS WHAT THEY IDENTIFY WITH ,FEEL COMFORTABLE AND RESPECT THE NEXT MANS CULTURE WHO AM I TO SAY THEY ARE WRONG?

I do not fall to the illusion of appearances.

WHO IS FALLING TO THE ILLUSION OF APPEARANCES? I HAVE SPOKE MORE ABOUT A PERSONS CULTURE AND HOW THAT MAKES WHO THEY ARE....MORE SO THAN A PERSONS APPEARENCE.

The coloration of my skin does not justify my words.

IN THIS SOCIETY "WHITE IS RIGHT". IF A WHITE MAN SAYS IT IT MUST BE GOLD. THE COLORATION OF *MY* SKIN JUSTIFIES ME BEING FOLLOWED IN STORES (ACCORDING TO THEM)...THE COLORATION OF MY SKIN ATUMATICALLY GETS ME PULLED OVER.....THE COLOR OF MY SKIN GETS ME LABLED AS A TROUBLE MAKER AND GUESS WHAT? ITS ALL JUSTIFIED (ACCORDING TO THEM).....

I am speaking beyond bodily conception. You seem to think that one must look like you to understand the essence of racist thought.

NO I DONT. NOR HAVE I IMPLIED THIS. I DONT LOOK LIKE A MIDDLE EASTERN YET THEY EXPERIENCE HARDSHIPS BASED ON SKIN TONE AND RACE.....WHAT IM TELLING *YOU* IS THAT YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT ITS LIKE OR HOW I SHOULD HANDLE IT WHEN *YOU* HAVENT DEALT WITH IT?

Ok. Now, do you believe that fighting confined to these rules built upon racist thought are going to free you from racism??? The answer should be obvious...

NO I DONT WHICH IS WHY I HAVE STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THE BATTLE IS NOT WITH "THE WHITE MAN" ETC ETC ETC....

I do not fight back and abide by racist thought. Racist thought is what built the society, I do not live by bodily conception.

MANY PEOPLE DIDNT LIVE BY BODILY CONCEPTION YET THEY WERE BUTCHERED AND MAIMED.....ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST......

People like me?? I am niether "black" nor "white". I'll leave the battle to those remaining in that karma.

LETS SAY A RACE WAR DID HAPPEN...BETTER YET LETS SAY YOU WALK THE STREETS OF OAKLAND (THE ACORNS) OR COMPTON. AS SOON AS PEOPLE SEE YOU YOUR FINISHED. I WOULD LIKE TO LISTEN TO YOUR SCREAMS OF "IM NOT BLACK OR WHITE" WHILE THEY ARE TAKING IT TO YOU.......LMAO!
PART 2 IS NEXT.

 

[HERESY]

you understand this. Good, you're almost there. Now, try to let go what you *think* you are. It is this label which you have allowed yourself to be confined to and attempt to confine others to. Just as you attempt to confine me to being "white". These labels are racist...

NO I HAVENT CONFINED MYSELF TO ANYTHING. I AM A MAN MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. I EXIST BEYOND THIS PHYSICAL BODY. I HAVE UNDERSTOOD THIS SINCE I WAS A CHILD. HOWEVER WE LIVE IN A WORLD WERE OTHERS DONT REALIZE THIS. HOW IS LABELING YOU WHITE BEING RACIST? HAVE I APPLIED IT TO YOU IN A RACIST FASHION? I BET WHEN YOU FILL OUT AN APPLICATION YOU MARK "WHITE"....

One will pay the consequences for their actions. Just as one who fights against racism remaining under racial thought will remain to suffer racism. When you "come clean" and "understand what *you* have done" you will trancend the hurdle. It all starts with freeing yourself from this racist thought. How can one who is still bound within this racist thought help others out of it? How can the blind lead the blind? break free from your chains before you attempt to break someone elses chains...

THE BLIND CANT LEAD THE BLIND WHICH IS WHY I HAVE BEEN BASICALLY TELLING YOU TO SHUT THE HELL UP 9WITHOUT ACTUALLY SAYING IT). YOU ***DONT*** KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE OF YOUR COLOR. I HAVE NOT HARMED ANYONE BECAUSE OF COLOR. I HAVE NOT REDUCED A MAN TO THE LEVEL OF A COW OR OTHER LIVESTOCK BECAUSE HE DIDNT SPEAK MY LANGUAGE OR BECAUSE HIS HAIR WASNT STRAIGHT......ITS EASY TO SHIFT THE BLAME HOWEVER WHAT I HAVE COME CLEAN ABOUT IS HOW I HAVE HELPED ***MANY*** PEOPLE. ONLINE AND OFF.

Then SHOW ME where I am changing my words or previous views.

IM NOT IMPLYING THAT YOU DID OR DIDNT (AT THIS POINT). ALL I SUGGEST IS THAT YOU READ YOUR POST AGAIN.

Since you did not clarify what you meant, I assumed that you meant, "IMPLYING THAT I AM CHANGING MY WORDS AND PREVIOUS VIEWS". There has been no change of my views, or my words...

IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE WISE TO ASK BEFORE YOU ASSUME.....YOU MUST HAVE A GUILTY THOUGHT......

thats wonderful. Unfortunately, without breaking free from the racist thought you have portrayed, all these things are just acts in vain. What good is economics to one who still abides under racist thought/society?

TO YOU ITS IN VAIN BUT IM DOING IT *WILLFULLY* SO AS LONG AS I CAN HELP SOMEONE SMILE AND REALIZE THAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN WHAT "AMERICA" SAYS ITS WORTH IT. NO MATTER HOW MANY ATTEMPTS YOU MAKE TO REDUCE IT TO NOTHING.......NO MATTER HOW VAIN ***YOU*** THINK IT IS *I* KNOW ITS NOT IN VAIN...WHY? BECAUSE I SEE RESULTS IN WHAT I DO. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN?

I DONT ABIDE UNDER RACIST THOUGHT AND SOCIETY. PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS. HOW AM I ABIDING IN RACIST THOUGHT WHEN I SAID I DONT CARE ABOUT A PERSONS COLOR? I ABIDE IN RACIST THOUGHT YET I GET DOWN WITH 2 ROCK BANDS,HAD TWO WHITE GUYS GET DOWN ON MY ALBUM,HELPED ENGINEER THE MUSIC OF A MOSTLY PINOY RAP GROUP AND HELPED MIX MUSIC FOR A FEMALE SINGER WHO IS LATINO.

Good, then you understand. So why do you continue to portray this "division"?

THE DIVISION EXISTS IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. REGARDLESS OF IF YOU *THINK* I PORTRAY IT....IT STILL EXISTS......START READING THE POSTS MAN.

I am human.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO UNDERSTAND THE HARDHIPS OF OTHERS? IM A HUMAN ALSO. IF I HAVE NOT EDUCATED MYSELF ABOUT THE HARDSHIPS OF A CERTAIN PARTY HOW CAN I COMMUNICATE WITH THEM EFFECTIVELY? OH I GET IT DROP THE "WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME GANG" LINE AND HOPE IT WORKS.....HOW PATHETIC......

Power is NOT a factor in racism.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!! POWER IS NOT A FACTOR IN RACISM?????? LMAO!!!!!!!!! IM GOING TO MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT THIS AND I GURANTEE YOU THAT NO PERSON WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. POWER IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN RACISM MY IDIOTIC FRIEND.

You can have no power at all and still abide under racist thought which would, by definition, make you a racist.

I DISAGREE. MY THOUGHT COULD BE THAT WAY DUE TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED OVER MY PEOPLE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME....MAKING ME A PRODUCT OF MY ENVIRONMENT....SOMETHING YOU CREATED...

TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR STATEMENTS:

Power is NOT a factor in racism.

IN YOUR SECOND SENTENCE AFTER THAT YOU SAID:

Power is only needed to turn racism into a physical act.

IF POWER IS NOT A FACTOR IN RACISM WHY/HOW IS IT ONLY NEEDED TO TURN RACISM INTO A PHYSICAL ACT?

Would you suggest taking power from one group and giving it to the other?

I SUGGEST TAKING POWER AWAY FROM THE GOD OF THIS WORLD AND GIVING POWER TO THOSE WHO DESERVE IT....

The point I made before was that if both groups abide under racist thought they are racist, no matter who has the power. Holy Roman Empire, African Americans, whoever. The master may have the power, but if the slave's state of mind is, "fuck all white people, they should die", then he/she is also racist, at least at that moment.

HE OR SHE IS THINKING THAT WAY BECAUSE OF INJUSTICES THAT WERE DONE TO HIM AND HIS PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. NOT OUT OF THE BLUE...ITS FOR A REASON.....

If you do not hold this view then why are you typing it? I do not hold this view. It does not apply to me. So who does it apply to??

IM TYPING THESE QUESTIONS IN RESPONSE TO STATEMENTS YOU MAKE. STATEMENTS ABOUT ONE PROTECTING THEMSELF ETC ETC ETC. YOU SAID:

I said that people have the right to protect themselves, not go after a "group" of people for veangence.

ITS NOT VENGENCE. ITS GOING ON TODAY 24-7 365 DAYS A YEAR ALL ACROSS AMERICA. YOU CAN PRETEND IT DOESNT JOHNNY BUT IT DOES.

And the answer was and still is, NO. This never applied to me. I am pointing the finger logically to the one who formulated the questions...

THE QUESTIONS WERE BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS. IF YOU HAD NEVER MADE THEM THE QUESTIONS WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED.

So where does power come into play? One can have little power and still hold the belief that he/she is superior.

WHERE DOES POWER COME INTO PLAY? ASK THE BILDERBERGERS.


:h:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

quote:
"in your OPINION they conceived it as that. can you please give me 10 people who fought for civil rights (during the 50's and 60's) and 10 abolishonist (check spelling again) who conceived the fight as us vs them?"


I am not speaking of anyone in particular. And neither am I saying all people think this way. I have no names for you...
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"some dont feel leaving is "running away". its getting back to YOUR people and your roots."



ok.
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"what is the root to the problem? greed? who is the problem? i know for a fact that the problem isnt "the white man"....."



the root is separation without reconciliation. The problem is with the thought process of the individual...
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"CTFU! TELL THAT TO THE NATIVES WHO WERE BUTCHERED FOR NO REASON AT ALL."



ok.
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"YOU EXPERIENCE NO HARDSHIPS BASED ON YOUR SKIN COLOR. BY YOU BEING A WHITE MALE IN AMERICA YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPTED BY THE MAJORITY."




I have friends who you would call "black" who think the same way as I do. They do not see it the same way as you because they have transcended the whole "race" concept. Are these "black" people special? Not really, they just know better...
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"LAUGHING MY FUCKIN ASS OFF@"I DONT EXPERIENCE RACISM BECAUSE I DO NOT ADHERE TO THE CONCEPT OF RACE"!!!! I TELL YOU WHAT...YOU MAY NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM (DUE TO YOUR SKIN COLOR)......BUT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE PAIN IF A MAN DECIDES TO DESTROY *YOUR* BODY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING WHITE AMERICA DID TO HIM AND HIS PEOPLE......."



Once again, there are "black" people who do not experience "racism". Yeah, who'd a thought? What does destroying my body have to do with anything?
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"WHY SHOULD I NOT CARE ABOUT MY CULTURE? WHY SHOULD I NOT CARE ABOUT EVERY ASPECT AND MOLUCULE THAT MAKES ME? WHEN IT COMES TO NETWORKING ETC ETC ETC I DONT SAY "HE'S A WHITE BOY I WONT GET DOWN WITH HIM". READ WHAT IM TYPING SMITTY."



care less. It is skin deep and it is fleeting. Thats great that you can get down with the "white boys". LOL
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"1.BECAUSE I COULD BE A PRODUCT OF MY ENVIRONMENT."



Interesting. Would that be an environment within a socially constructed reality? hmmmm.... makes one think.
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quote:
"2.BECAUSE MAYBE I DONT SEE HARM IN BEING CALLED BLACK OR COLORED."



Some are comfortable with the illusion. "I know the matrix is telling my brain that this steak is juicy and delicious........ignorance is bliss"... it was time for me to quote the matrix again. Wait, here's another: "Some are so idulged, so helplessly dependent on the system, they will fight to protect it."
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quote:
"3.MAYBE PEOPLE WHO WERE *NOT* RACIST ACTUALLY INVENTED THE TERMS......"



so you are saying that someone who was not racist invented terms used FOR SPECIFIC RACES??? This is where we start editing our posts, Heresy. It might be better for you in the long run...
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"JUST BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR CULTURE IS A RIP OFF OF SOMEONE ELSES DOESNT MEAN THAT MINE IS. WHO'S REMAINING A SLAVE TO THIS BODILY CONCEPTION? I HAVE SAID THAT WE ARE ALL HUMAN YET WE ARE DIFFERENT. WHY DO YOU KEEP BEATING A DEAD HORSE? YOU ARE TRYING TO DRIVE HOME A CONCEPT/IDEA THAT I ALREADY UNDERSTAND."



I do not have a single culture. I am all cultures, yet never bound by them. "I am free in all the ways you are not." You remember this quote?
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"THATS GREAT...HOWEVER IT CANT BE APPLIED TO ALL PEOPLE."



The little engine that could kept saying, "I think I can, I think I can.", and he made it. Maybe you're just too pessimistic. It can be applied.
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quote:
"THATS GREAT BUT I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH SOMEONE CALLING THEMSELF A HUMAN. NOR DO I SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH SOMEONE CALLING THEMSELF BLACK OR MEXICAN. IF THATS WHAT THEY IDENTIFY WITH ,FEEL COMFORTABLE AND RESPECT THE NEXT MANS CULTURE WHO AM I TO SAY THEY ARE WRONG?"



Most people ONLY identify with this. And THATS the problem. So caught up in bodily conception. And, no, Heresy I am not speaking about you.
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"WHO IS FALLING TO THE ILLUSION OF APPEARANCES? I HAVE SPOKE MORE ABOUT A PERSONS CULTURE AND HOW THAT MAKES WHO THEY ARE....MORE SO THAN A PERSONS APPEARENCE."



culture falls under this illusion. Culture does not define anyone. It is fleeting like the rest of material existence...
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"IN THIS SOCIETY "WHITE IS RIGHT". IF A WHITE MAN SAYS IT IT MUST BE GOLD. THE COLORATION OF *MY* SKIN JUSTIFIES ME BEING FOLLOWED IN STORES (ACCORDING TO THEM)...THE COLORATION OF MY SKIN ATUMATICALLY GETS ME PULLED OVER.....THE COLOR OF MY SKIN GETS ME LABLED AS A TROUBLE MAKER AND GUESS WHAT? ITS ALL JUSTIFIED (ACCORDING TO THEM).....



If you conceive it that way. Not all "black" people do. "them" is the rest of your family. We don't always get along, but then, this is the age of ignorance.
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"NO I DONT. NOR HAVE I IMPLIED THIS. I DONT LOOK LIKE A MIDDLE EASTERN YET THEY EXPERIENCE HARDSHIPS BASED ON SKIN TONE AND RACE.....WHAT IM TELLING *YOU* IS THAT YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT ITS LIKE OR HOW I SHOULD HANDLE IT WHEN *YOU* HAVENT DEALT WITH IT?"



You agree that it must start with the individual. I am only speaking fundamental truth about the thought process behind racism. I am not giving you a step by step guide on what you need to do. Yet, now I see you are familiar with some of the things I am saying, but you can't always apply it. Or you don't see how it can be applied... Thats fine.
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"NO I DONT WHICH IS WHY I HAVE STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THE BATTLE IS NOT WITH "THE WHITE MAN" ETC ETC ETC...."


who do you conceive "the battle" with?
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"MANY PEOPLE DIDNT LIVE BY BODILY CONCEPTION YET THEY WERE BUTCHERED AND MAIMED.....ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST......"



we all die someday. No sweat.
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"LETS SAY A RACE WAR DID HAPPEN...BETTER YET LETS SAY YOU WALK THE STREETS OF OAKLAND (THE ACORNS) OR COMPTON. AS SOON AS PEOPLE SEE YOU YOUR FINISHED. I WOULD LIKE TO LISTEN TO YOUR SCREAMS OF "IM NOT BLACK OR WHITE" WHILE THEY ARE TAKING IT TO YOU.......LMAO!"



I wouldn't be screaming this. LMAO...
You do not get it. Your examples of severe bodily harm or death upon me due to hate crimes are not going to taint reality. I am not concerned with this. I remain wiser than the racist mind. You judge me personally, but how do you know that I have not experienced such racist violence when I was younger? Obviously you think by giving these hate crime examples you are going to bring me down from what I know to be truth. You can not taint me, just as my past with racism does not taint me. I usually do not bring such things up, but you need to realize that not everyone that has been through similar situations thinks just like you... I am untainted by the illusion of the world, no matter how much pain it brings.
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I'll get the rest tomorrow...

 

[HERESY]

I am not speaking of anyone in particular. And neither am I saying all people think this way. I have no names for you...

so you are saying that you cannot give names.....that would validate your claim/opinion/thoeires/views???????

lmao!!!!! you said that they were a contradiction. name 15 people. if not throw that bullshit out the window and may it splatter on the ground...to be stamped out and trampled on......

the root is separation without reconciliation. The problem is with the thought process of the individual...

if you say so......

I have friends who you would call "black" who think the same way as I do. They do not see it the same way as you because they have transcended the whole "race" concept. Are these "black" people special? Not really, they just know better...

actually what you and they experience is a concept......no better yet its a RACISM termed "COLOR BLIND RACISM" and is linked to "UNINTENTIONAL RACISM". I WILL TOUCH ON THIS LATER.....

Once again, there are "black" people who do not experience "racism". Yeah, who'd a thought? What does destroying my body have to do with anything?

IF YOUR A BLACK PERSON WHO IS BORN IN AMERICA YOU ARE EXPERIENCING RACISM THAT WAS DIRECTED AT YOUR ANSWERS AND WORKED ITS WAY TO YOU......HOW IS THAT? SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF AMERICA AGAINST YOUR WILL........READ BETWEEN THE LINES ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION.......

care less. It is skin deep and it is fleeting. Thats great that you can get down with the "white boys". LOL

YEAH I GET DOWN WITH TEH WHITE BOYS. WHATS WRONG WITH THAT? SHAD HAS "PERFECT PITCH". SPIT BALL HAS BEEN PLAYING BASS FOR YEARS. WHY NOT GET DOWN WITH THEM???? SKIN DEEP AND FLEETING?????? WHAT YOU ARE ULTIMATELY DOING IS TRYING TO GET ME TO DENY MY CULTURE AND HERITAGE..THIS IS RACISM.....HATRED UNDERCOVER ACTUALLY......JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CULTURE DOESNT MEAN I SHOULDNT. JUST BECAUSE IM PROUD OF MY PEOPLE AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS DOESNT MEAN ITS WRONG.....

Interesting. Would that be an environment within a socially constructed reality? hmmmm.... makes one think.

GOES BACK TO BEING A PRODUCT OF AMERICA..AGAINST ONES WILL......

Some are comfortable with the illusion. "I know the matrix is telling my brain that this steak is juicy and delicious........ignorance is bliss"... it was time for me to quote the matrix again. Wait, here's another: "Some are so idulged, so helplessly dependent on the system, they will fight to protect it."

IF YOU SAY SO.

so you are saying that someone who was not racist invented terms used FOR SPECIFIC RACES??? This is where we start editing our posts, Heresy. It might be better for you in the long run...

EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THE TERM "NEGRO" CAME FROM. WHAT CULTURE WHAT RACE WHAT LANGUAGE.WHERE IT DERIVED FROM...WHEN YOU DO YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER...AND REASON WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID. NO EDIT IS NEEDED.

I do not have a single culture. I am all cultures, yet never bound by them. "I am free in all the ways you are not." You remember this quote?

READ YOUR PREVIOUS RESPONSES.....SKIN DEEP AND FLEETING YET YOU ARE ALL CULTURES......

The little engine that could kept saying, "I think I can, I think I can.", and he made it. Maybe you're just too pessimistic. It can be applied.

ACCORDING TO SOME......

Most people ONLY identify with this. And THATS the problem. So caught up in bodily conception. And, no, Heresy I am not speaking about you.

BUT YOU HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 6 POSTS. YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSING ME OF THIS.....

culture falls under this illusion. Culture does not define anyone. It is fleeting like the rest of material existence...

YOU ARE A RACIST. YOU ARE TRYING TO RESTRICT MY CULTURE AND TELL ME I SHOULD TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT.......MAYBE BECOME EUROCENTRIC.....

If you conceive it that way. Not all "black" people do. "them" is the rest of your family. We don't always get along, but then, this is the age of ignorance.

IF YOU SAY SO.......

You agree that it must start with the individual. I am only speaking fundamental truth about the thought process behind racism. I am not giving you a step by step guide on what you need to do. Yet, now I see you are familiar with some of the things I am saying, but you can't always apply it. Or you don't see how it can be applied... Thats fine.

IN MANY CASES IT CANT BE APPLIED I WILL EXPLAIN LATER.......I KEEP TELLING YOU I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT YET YOU KEEP TRYING TO BEAT ME WITH IT.....

who do you conceive "the battle" with?

I WILL ANSWER THIS LATER..ITS VERY SIMPLE ACTUALLY......

we all die someday. No sweat.

YOU ARE TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE DESTRUCTION OF PEOPLE.....

I wouldn't be screaming this. LMAO...
You do not get it. Your examples of severe bodily harm or death upon me due to hate crimes are not going to taint reality. I am not concerned with this. I remain wiser than the racist mind. You judge me personally, but how do you know that I have not experienced such racist violence when I was younger?...

YOU JUDGE YOURSELF MAN. HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED RACISM? WELL BY YOUR WON WORDS YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED RACISM BECAUSE YOU TRANSCEND IT.....YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.....

Obviously you think by giving these hate crime examples you are going to bring me down from what I know to be truth. You can not taint me, just as my past with racism does not taint me. I usually do not bring such things up, but you need to realize that not everyone that has been through similar situations thinks just like you... I am untainted by the illusion of the world, no matter how much pain it brings.

BASED ON YOUR WORDS.

TOMMOROW I WILL SHOW HOW YOU EXHIBIT MANY SIGNS OF COVERT RACISM AND BLIND RACISM.....

:h:

 

[jesse james]

EDJ: I'm glad after all these years we can finally be civilized to each other, I give u much props on how u have grown to respect one another for who those people are .....I respect your thoughts , don;t always agree but u feel me on this..............If we ever met I would smoke with ya and think nothing of it then two folks chillin getting blunted looking to get hoes

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

quote:
"lmao!!!!! you said that they were a contradiction. name 15 people. if not throw that bullshit out the window and may it splatter on the ground...to be stamped out and trampled on......"



I am speaking about people who think under this racist law of thought. I am not saying that all people do. Some abide under it more than others. You obviously have some knowledge of it, yet you contradict this knowledge to still adhere to this "division". You state it as "just the way it is". And all I am saying is this attitude you portray is your accepting of a false reality constructed on racist thought. I am not saying people cannot or should not fight back. But, to begin healing people from this epidemic you must start with the mind. As long as people conceive of reality under the illusion of racist thought, they remain subject to racism.
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"actually what you and they experience is a concept......no better yet its a RACISM termed "COLOR BLIND RACISM" and is linked to "UNINTENTIONAL RACISM". I WILL TOUCH ON THIS LATER....."




Go ahead and touch on this... I can't wait to hear it.
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"IF YOUR A BLACK PERSON WHO IS BORN IN AMERICA YOU ARE EXPERIENCING RACISM THAT WAS DIRECTED AT YOUR ANSWERS AND WORKED ITS WAY TO YOU......HOW IS THAT? SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF AMERICA AGAINST YOUR WILL"



Then as a slave, do what you feel will free you from bondage. I am just showing everyone the basis of racist thought that condemns people to this conceivement of race as an absolute truth.
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"READ BETWEEN THE LINES ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION......."



Death is not destruction. I am not this body. Your remarks about bodily destruction is obvious truth, it has no impact on me. I already know that the physical world is fleeting...
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"YEAH I GET DOWN WITH TEH WHITE BOYS. WHATS WRONG WITH THAT? SHAD HAS "PERFECT PITCH". SPIT BALL HAS BEEN PLAYING BASS FOR YEARS. WHY NOT GET DOWN WITH THEM???? SKIN DEEP AND FLEETING?????? WHAT YOU ARE ULTIMATELY DOING IS TRYING TO GET ME TO DENY MY CULTURE AND HERITAGE..THIS IS RACISM.....HATRED UNDERCOVER ACTUALLY......JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CULTURE DOESNT MEAN I SHOULDNT. JUST BECAUSE IM PROUD OF MY PEOPLE AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS DOESNT MEAN ITS WRONG....."



I never said anything was wrong with "that". Do what you do. I am not trying to get you to deny your culture and heritage. There is no hatred involved, at least not on my part. Also, who are "your" people?
people like to label themselves so they can fit into a group. It makes people feel like they belong somewhere. Today we are talking about race labels. Tomorrow we could be talking about religion labels, sexual preference labels, or one could even put all people who like to eat prunes in a group and we could have a debate about the "prune-eaters". These labels are man-made. Never conceive them as absolute truth. Whenever you do you become bound by them. Of course its, "just the way it is", in this society. But, that doesn't mean we can not begin to change the very essence in which our society was built on..... our thought.
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"GOES BACK TO BEING A PRODUCT OF AMERICA..AGAINST ONES WILL......"



goes back to cleansing the mind of racist thought that has bound people in this society...
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"EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THE TERM "NEGRO" CAME FROM. WHAT CULTURE WHAT RACE WHAT LANGUAGE.WHERE IT DERIVED FROM...WHEN YOU DO YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER...AND REASON WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID. NO EDIT IS NEEDED."



"negro" means "black" in spanish. First and foremost it is just the word applied to a specific color, (actually black is the absence of color, but I am not getting into that right now). The word "negro" does not have its original intention on a group of people. Therefore, once people decided to group themselves or others within this label, it became a "race" issue. All labels fall short of reality. Do not fall slave to them...
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"READ YOUR PREVIOUS RESPONSES.....SKIN DEEP AND FLEETING YET YOU ARE ALL CULTURES......"



Continue *reading* that statement, H. "I am all cultures, yet never **bound** by them".
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*gotta run and do something*...

be back later...

 

[EDJ]

NO PROBLEM gIMMI SUM. I HAVE TO REACH OUT THE HOOD AND LEAVE SOME OF THAT NEgATIVITY BEHIND TO MOVE AHEAD.

 

[ToNgAn_SaV]

If does go down, I know where I stand.

 

[EDJ]

^WHERE DO YOU STAND?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

@H

quote:
"BUT YOU HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 6 POSTS. YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSING ME OF THIS....."



Then I apologize if I came off that way. I am just trying to point out that it will take our knowledge of the mindset behind racist thought in order to overcome racism. In some ways you have shown me that you realize this mindset, but in other ways, it seems, you have shown me that you still abide under it to some degree. I have no intent to judge you as a person. I am only speaking on the things which are stated. Don't mean to single you out. Once again, I apologize...
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"YOU ARE A RACIST. YOU ARE TRYING TO RESTRICT MY CULTURE AND TELL ME I SHOULD TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT.......MAYBE BECOME EUROCENTRIC....."



I am not trying to "restrict" your culture. In the movie, The Matrix, Cypher felt that the *real world* was more restricting than the matrix, so he became a traitor. I am only trying to point to greater truths about our being. If living beyond the bodily conception and the material things that go with it like culture, customs, etc., is, in your eyes, a "restriction" then I see better now how and why you already ARE restricting yourself... The truth will make you free.
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"IN MANY CASES IT CANT BE APPLIED I WILL EXPLAIN LATER.......I KEEP TELLING YOU I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT YET YOU KEEP TRYING TO BEAT ME WITH IT....."



I am eager for you to explain in what cases it can not be applied.
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"I WILL ANSWER THIS LATER..ITS VERY SIMPLE ACTUALLY......"



Let us then see...
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"YOU ARE TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE DESTRUCTION OF PEOPLE....."




No, we all have the right to fight back. I have stated this. I do not imply that we should just lie down and die.
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"YOU JUDGE YOURSELF MAN. HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED RACISM? WELL BY YOUR WON WORDS YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED RACISM BECAUSE YOU TRANSCEND IT.....YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT....."



At one time I have conceived of it the same way you do. Speaking in present tense, I do not experience racism because I transcend it. I usually do not bring up past experiences which affected me according to racist thought because I do not *see* it that way anymore. It does not benefit me to speak of it in terms of an everlasting karmic struggle. But, since you do not think I have experienced these things due to the coloration of my skin, it was neccesary to let you know how it is...
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"TOMMOROW I WILL SHOW HOW YOU EXHIBIT MANY SIGNS OF COVERT RACISM AND BLIND RACISM....."




Until then...

 

[HERESY]

i asked 916 if he experienced racism and he replied with the following:

I experience NO racism because I do not adhere to the concept of RACE.

several posts later 916 says the following:

You judge me personally, but how do you know that I have not experienced such racist violence when I was younger?

he also said the following

You can not taint me, just as my past with racism does not taint me.

your own words taint you. you claim to NOT have experienced racism yet in later posts you go on to ask me how do i know that you didnt experience racial violence when you were younger. i ASKED you if you had experienced racism. you said "NO".

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SAY YOU EXPERIENCE NO RACISM YET ASK ABOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OF PAST RACIAL VIOLENCE AGAINST YOU? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE A PAST WITH RACISM WHEN YOU SAID YOU EXPERIENCE NO RACISM?!?!?!?!?!

AND YOU TOLD ME I NEED TO EDIT MY POSTS?????ROFL!

:dead:

:H:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

^^^^^^^^^

you are either an idiot or do not read.


me: "I experience NO racism because I do not adhere to the concept of RACE."

PRESENT TENSE!!

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also me: "You judge me personally, but how do you know that I have not experienced such racist violence when I was younger?"

and...

"You can not taint me, just as my past with racism does not taint me."

PAST TENSE!


think before you type attempting to find fault with me...

 

[HERESY]

ALMOST GAME OVER

as it stands right now 916 you are typing just for the sake of arguement or trying to look intelligent (good look with the later)....you clearly contradict yourself,you clearly accuse people of doing things they dont do,you dont read the posts....basically you talk out your ass......let me string this on a bit BEFORE i drop proof that YOU are indeed a COVERT/BLIND RACIST (Iill probably do it later on tonight). i'll also show how the "color blind" concept is flawed...

I am speaking about people who think under this racist law of thought.

WHO are these civil rights leaders and activist who were under this thought? please list examples to back your claim. if not you already know what to do with it....in fact lets do something better this time. instead of tossing the bullshit out the window we can simply flush it down the drain. you said most were under this thought. if you cannot name 15 people why make the statement? your claim is unsupported but validated by YOUR imagination. when i asked you the question you replied with this:

Yes, in the sense that many of them resulted to conceiving the fight as an "us vs. them" thing.

how is it possible for you to know that many of them resulted to this concept yet you cant provide ANY names???

yet you contradict this knowledge to still adhere to this "division".

i contradict?!?

You state it as "just the way it is". And all I am saying is this attitude you portray is your accepting of a false reality constructed on racist thought.

its not the attitude i portray i have said the same from the begining. i have NOT switched my stance....can YOU say the same?

am not saying people cannot or should not fight back.

this is why i asked you about black people killing others. to some black people this is JUSTIFIED and NOT an act of REVENGE because oppression STILL goes on today.

But, to begin healing people from this epidemic you must start with the mind.

why do you keep beating a dead horse?

As long as people conceive of reality under the illusion of racist thought, they remain subject to racism.

polly wanna cracker? you keep saying the same thing over and over. the same concepts the same boring lines. its almost "Z" time....

Then as a slave, do what you feel will free you from bondage.

it might be shoving a desert eagle down your throat and squeezing the trigger...it might be networking more with my people....it might be seeking enlightment (even more than now)...who knows?

I am just showing everyone the basis of racist thought that condemns people to this conceivement of race as an absolute truth.

actually your showing people that you dont know what the sam hell you are talking about (your doing a good job by the way).

Death is not destruction. I am not this body. Your remarks about bodily destruction is obvious truth, it has no impact on me. I already know that the physical world is fleeting...

still missing the point junior.

I never said anything was wrong with "that". Do what you do. I am not trying to get you to deny your culture and heritage. There is no hatred involved, at least not on my part.

i would say that it IS hatred on your part and i will show this later. you ARE trying to degrade my culture. ANYTIME you tell a person that the POSITIVE things they are doing is in VAIN you are trying to DEGRADE them. thats what YOU did. you have done other things as well and i will touch down on them later.

Also, who are "your" people?

1.anyone who loves god.

2.people of african and hebrew background.

3.my family.

4.anyone who will get down on a positive tip.

people like to label themselves so they can fit into a group. It makes people feel like they belong somewhere.

nothing is wrong with this. we still have a label anyway. human. whats wrong with going in depth? have you dropped the human label? lets say you did and call yourself spirit soul.....is that not a label?

These labels are man-made. Never conceive them as absolute truth.

But, that doesn't mean we can not begin to change the very essence in which our society was built on..... our thought.

and with a change of thought comes a change of DEED. however the color blind "we are all the same" concept is NOT needed (as the main thought). what you are doing is ROBBING someone of being an individual. you are ROBBING SOMEONE and RESTRICTING them of WHO they are,what their ancestors have done etc etc etc. its FINE to say we are all human. i have said that. i dont know if you are reading the posts (you're not) but i have stated this. BUT i see NOTHING wrong with experiencing your culture and background. i also see NOTHING wrong in being PROUD in the skin tone that GOD himself gave you. i see nothing wrong with being proud of that. if i understand my culture (and mind) i will be able to BREAK DOWN the walls. i will be able to give YOU insight on ME and WHY i feel the way i do.

goes back to cleansing the mind of racist thought that has bound people in this society...

i agree 100%.this racist thought has destroyed entire civilizations and cultures.

"negro" means "black" in spanish. First and foremost it is just the word applied to a specific color, (actually black is the absence of color, but I am not getting into that right now).

this will suffice for now but i actually think you should do a lil bit of digging....

The word "negro" does not have its original intention on a group of people.

i understand this.

Therefore, once people decided to group themselves or others within this label, it became a "race" issue. All labels fall short of reality. Do not fall slave to them...

once again human is a label.

Continue *reading* that statement, H. "I am all cultures, yet never **bound** by them".

you are all cultures yet you can tell me nothing about the struggle of certain groups of people....oh i get it now.....your human...who says you have to be BOUND by them? thats the point im trying to make and have been going over and over. when you UNDERSTAND anothers culture and your OWN you will NOT be BOUND. learn from me while i learn from you. exchange ideas,share tips and techniques,explain blah blah blah. this will help me become a BETTER person and IMPROVE relationships.


part 2 is next.

:H:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

quote:
"as it stands right now 916 you are typing just for the sake of arguement or trying to look intelligent..."



As it stands right now Heresy you are typing just for the sake of argument or trying to look intelligent...
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"you clearly contradict yourself,you clearly accuse people of doing things they dont do,you dont read the posts....basically you talk out your ass......"



You clearly contradict yourself,you clearly accuse people of doing things they dont do,you dont read the posts....basically you talk out your ass......
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"let me string this on a bit BEFORE i drop proof that YOU are indeed a COVERT/BLIND RACIST (Iill probably do it later on tonight). i'll also show how the "color blind" concept is flawed..."




What "color blind" concept? It most likely fails to portray my views. I *know* that people appear different. But, I do not actually fall to the illusion that appearance is absolute! You are trying to force me to a one-sided belief.
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"WHO are these civil rights leaders and activist who were under this thought? please list examples to back your claim. if not you already know what to do with it....in fact lets do something better this time. instead of tossing the bullshit out the window we can simply flush it down the drain. you said most were under this thought. if you cannot name 15 people why make the statement? your claim is unsupported but validated by YOUR imagination."




I do not study these people. I made a mistake by answering regarding anyone who is a civil rights leader/ activist. I am speaking about people I meet who are indulged in the subject. You have portrayed to me that this "division" is "just the way it is". I have portrayed to you that "just the way it is" is not the way it HAS to be.
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"how is it possible for you to know that many of them resulted to this concept yet you cant provide ANY names???"



I am speaking on people I have spoken with personally. You, Heresy, have portrayed *some* of these traits to me on this thread.
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"its not the attitude i portray i have said the same from the begining. i have NOT switched my stance....can YOU say the same?"




I have not switched my stance. You will always fail to show any portrayal of me changing my views. My views are not one sided. Perhaps yours are so it is hard for you to conceive of one knowing both absolute and relative truths.
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"this is why i asked you about black people killing others. to some black people this is JUSTIFIED and NOT an act of REVENGE because oppression STILL goes on today."



But, for a "black" person to go out and kill "white" people is racist. Because he is judging all people who appear white as those who have oppressed him. But, this is far from the truth. You are perfectly portraying the example I have made. Somewhere in this "black" man's heart he is against racism. But, because he is tainted by it he IS WHAT HE DESPISES. He is racist.
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"why do you keep beating a dead horse?"


repetetive teaching for those who do not quite understand...
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"polly wanna cracker? you keep saying the same thing over and over. the same concepts the same boring lines. its almost "Z" time...."



Repetitive learning on your part may help you to eventually understand...
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"it might be shoving a desert eagle down your throat and squeezing the trigger...it might be networking more with my people....it might be seeking enlightment (even more than now)...who knows?"



LMAO @ "(even more than now)"
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"actually your showing people that you dont know what the sam hell you are talking about (your doing a good job by the way)."




LOL, not understanding on your part holds no effect on me.
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"still missing the point junior."


No, I have got the point. But "the point" teaches me nothing I do not already know.
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"i would say that it IS hatred on your part and i will show this later."



This will be an attempt in the dark.
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"you ARE trying to degrade my culture."



Nope. And if I was, you must be taking it personally... Never do that.
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"ANYTIME you tell a person that the POSITIVE things they are doing is in VAIN you are trying to DEGRADE them. thats what YOU did."



If you do not touch on the basis of the problem you make no difference in the long run. You create, perhaps, a temporary fix to the plight. A fleeting satisfaction. There is a fire and you are the #1 hoseman. You keep spraying the top of the flames rather than the base. You have good intentions but, in the long run, the fire remains...
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"you have done other things as well and i will touch down on them later."



yeah.... uuuh huh.
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"1.anyone who loves god.

2.people of african and hebrew background.

3.my family.

4.anyone who will get down on a positive tip."



what if they are african american or hebrew but they do not love God? Or they do not get down on a positive tip?
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"nothing is wrong with this. we still have a label anyway. human. whats wrong with going in depth? have you dropped the human label? lets say you did and call yourself spirit soul.....is that not a label?



You are correct. These are all labels. Labels are fine as long as you do not become slave to them.

 

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"and with a change of thought comes a change of DEED."




Exactly...
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"however the color blind "we are all the same" concept is NOT needed (as the main thought). what you are doing is ROBBING someone of being an individual. you are ROBBING SOMEONE and RESTRICTING them of WHO they are,what their ancestors have done etc etc etc. its FINE to say we are all human. i have said that. i dont know if you are reading the posts (you're not) but i have stated this. BUT i see NOTHING wrong with experiencing your culture and background."




I may be pushing the similarities between people because many mistake appearances for absolute truth. I understand both are true on different levels, the individual and the whole. I see nothing wrong with experiencing any culture or background, also. And personally I am not limited by these things. Some choose to actually be confined to "their" culture. Whatever, it does not taint the reality I have come to know...
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"i also see NOTHING wrong in being PROUD in the skin tone that GOD himself gave you. i see nothing wrong with being proud of that. if i understand my culture (and mind) i will be able to BREAK DOWN the walls. i will be able to give YOU insight on ME and WHY i feel the way i do."



And when I feel tainted by "my" culture, I will call on you for support. It is important to know that culture is fine. Just do not fall to the illusion that culture absolutely defines you. Do not reside your being bound within what you or anyone else perceives as "your culture". Celebrate culture and share it with others. Yet, be free from it becoming your identity, absolutely...
(this can obviously be applied to skin tone, also)
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me:
"goes back to cleansing the mind of racist thought that has bound people in this society... "

you:
"i agree 100%.this racist thought has destroyed entire civilizations and cultures."



this is really what it all amounts to. You know, I know. I don't see much of a reason to keep arguing. Perhaps we should rest on this agreement... I think our views differ when it comes to the way each of us approach the matter...
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"this will suffice for now but i actually think you should do a lil bit of digging...."


well, if you think you know something which I do not, lead me in that direction...
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"once again human is a label."


Once again you are correct. Just try not to hold on to labels for too long, they are fleeting. I have stated that labels are fine just as long as you do not become subject under their illusive power.
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"you are all cultures yet you can tell me nothing about the struggle of certain groups of people....oh i get it now.....your human...who says you have to be BOUND by them? thats the point im trying to make and have been going over and over. when you UNDERSTAND anothers culture and your OWN you will NOT be BOUND. learn from me while i learn from you. exchange ideas,share tips and techniques,explain blah blah blah. this will help me become a BETTER person and IMPROVE relationships."



I can listen to those who listen to me. I apologized if it seemed that I came on here to personally attack you. I am more than open to learn about more cultures. But, I was not speaking within the context of anyone's particular culture, in the beginning of my posts. I have been merely stating that all cultures are not absolute traits of human-kind. I do not need to understand anyone's culture in order to realize this truth. There may be a group of aliens on the fuckshit planet who have a completely unique culture. What I am saying is universal. I need not know particularly this aliens culture in specifics...