Should Kiffin be fired?

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I don't see this huge amount of talent on the Raiders team that makes Kiffen's job easy...

Unless it's a team loaded with talent (SD), it's hard for a new coach (especially a rookie coach) to turn a team around in his first year.

I have patience; the Raiders could have Tony Dungy right now, and wouldn't be contenders.

The only other coach I would welcome right now that's even remotely (barely) plausible is Cowher.
Word..I think Tony's just mad cuz he had unrealistically high expectations for this year and now that reality has smacked him in the face he is looking for someone to blame..too bad he should've listened when I told him this offensive line would be garbage no matter who the coach is.
 

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What did the offensive line have to do with Chester Taylor running through our defense like that? We gave up damn near 500 yards to the Vikings without Peterson.... That defense is soft as I've ever seen. The Raiders are still an undisciplined team all around. Not just the o-line.
Tarvaris Jackson.. garbage as he is completed over 70% of his passes... Fool was out there looking like Vick (running qb draws for first downs)
 
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Coaching is what the Raiders need... yeah they don't have a lot of talent but they're better than 2-8. Minnesota isn't all that talented and they smashed us... Kiffin needs to be sent back to USC because this is too much for him to handle. Does he know anything about defense?
Hmm...missed the game, but it didn't look/sound like a blowout, or that they got ''smashed''...

Of course they need coaching, but what I'm saying is that the TALENT level isn't that great that if you brought in a stellar coach they'd suddenly be great.

Bring in the TALENT and give the coach (whoever he is) something to work with.
 
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What did the offensive line have to do with Chester Taylor running through our defense like that? We gave up damn near 500 yards to the Vikings without Peterson.... That defense is soft as I've ever seen. The Raiders are still an undisciplined team all around. Not just the o-line.
Coaching does have something to do with this, but really, these are grown men, PROFESSIONALS even, who get PAID to do this. They shouldn't have to rely on someone spitting in thier face, or being a 'rah rah' coach, to get them going.

I'd be pissed off that I'm playing so shitty, and that my team is playing so shitty, that I'd play that much harder.

You can't put it ALL on the coach...these guys need to do thier job. If Kiffen isn't doing his, can him. But if the defense isn't doing thiers, do you can all of them, too?
 

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Hmm...missed the game, but it didn't look/sound like a blowout, or that they got ''smashed''...

Of course they need coaching, but what I'm saying is that the TALENT level isn't that great that if you brought in a stellar coach they'd suddenly be great.

Bring in the TALENT and give the coach (whoever he is) something to work with.
By the score.. It wasn't a blowout but when you give up over 400 yards of total offense... you got smashed. Chester Taylor had over 200 yards of total offense.... And the Raiders kept biting on the Vikings trick plays.
 

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Coaching does have something to do with this, but really, these are grown men, PROFESSIONALS even, who get PAID to do this. They shouldn't have to rely on someone spitting in thier face, or being a 'rah rah' coach, to get them going.

I'd be pissed off that I'm playing so shitty, and that my team is playing so shitty, that I'd play that much harder.

You can't put it ALL on the coach...these guys need to do thier job. If Kiffen isn't doing his, can him. But if the defense isn't doing thiers, do you can all of them, too?

I see your point but this is basically the same defense from last year (personnel wise). This team is undisciplined. Do you think we're going to win another game this year? I think we look worse than we did last year.
 
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What did the offensive line have to do with Chester Taylor running through our defense like that? We gave up damn near 500 yards to the Vikings without Peterson.... That defense is soft as I've ever seen. The Raiders are still an undisciplined team all around. Not just the o-line.
Tarvaris Jackson.. garbage as he is completed over 70% of his passes... Fool was out there looking like Vick (running qb draws for first downs)
No dont get me wrong..the d-line sucks too. Remember when I said before the draft Id be happy if we drafted nothing but linemen(defensive and offensive)? Can you see why I said that now?
 

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It's not about playing hard it's about playing smart. It's Kiffin's job as head coach to get these MF's in line. That's why he's the shot caller making all the big bucks!
 

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No dont get me wrong..the d-line sucks too. Remember when I said before the draft Id be happy if we drafted nothing but linemen(defensive and offensive)? Can you see why I said that now?
Yep... but I thought you said o-linemen... yeah we need new ones. But Kiffin has to coach to their strengths. We don't have linemen that can run over d-linemen... our linemen are better on the move. So we gotta stop trying to pound the ball up gut if it isn't working and start running more sweeps and get these linemen on the move. We also need a new head coach. It wasn't the linemen's fault we lost yesterday. Kiffin chose to run right at Minnesota which is their strength.. instead of passing which is their weakness.
 

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Yep... but I thought you said o-linemen... yeah we need new ones.
Thought all the raiders needed was better coaches because the linemen were alright?


The raiders draft shouldve been Russell and all linemen. And the dumb part is that you guys cut the only linemen that you guys drafted.
 
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I just want to make one point clear, and it is that Kiffin has completely turned the attitude of this team around. If you guys could look back at last year and the years before, remember the attitude that the team had and the lack of heart they played with. I'm honestly just happy that the team plays with heart now, even if they do go 2-14.

Regardless, give Kiffin's system a couple years and then it will be sufficient time to judge it. My hypothesis is that he's taking the team in the right direction...
 

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I just want to make one point clear, and it is that Kiffin has completely turned the attitude of this team around. If you guys could look back at last year and the years before, remember the attitude that the team had and the lack of heart they played with. I'm honestly just happy that the team plays with heart now, even if they do go 2-14.

Regardless, give Kiffin's system a couple years and then it will be sufficient time to judge it. My hypothesis is that he's taking the team in the right direction...
I don't think we're playing with heart especially on defense. It's only a few players playing with "heart"...
 
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^^^ I've noticed that if the Raiders do good the week before, you're talkin about how great they are and how they're Super Bowl bound. And on weeks they do terrible, you're talkin about how they're defense plays with no heart. I'm just saying, give the team a couple years! This is Kiffin's first year, and it's not even a team he put together. Let him pick some guys out for his system in the next year or two...
 
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Well he needs to apply what he knows about defense because ours looks like the worst in the league.

its hard for the BEST defense of the leauge to stop ANY offense when they offense has the ball that much....constant 3 and outs and turnovers on offense could be the number 1 factor of the defense playin so shitty....these guys arent robots....you get fatigued and you cant blame shit on em for that...
 

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What are you talking about? The Raiders were moving the ball pretty good yesterday. Culpepper had over 300 yards in the air. There were no constant 3 and outs!
 

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^^^ I've noticed that if the Raiders do good the week before, you're talkin about how great they are and how they're Super Bowl bound. And on weeks they do terrible, you're talkin about how they're defense plays with no heart. I'm just saying, give the team a couple years! This is Kiffin's first year, and it's not even a team he put together. Let him pick some guys out for his system in the next year or two...
I've never said they were SuperBowl bound after a good week... I've said they've "improved" after a good week.... SuperBowl bound with Josh McCown? Come on now... you're more intelligent than that!