Should Kiffin be fired?

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Tony

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I hear you dog but I don't think this thread is ridiculous. We're still a 2-win team. I am not saying he should be fired mid season but at the end of the season I say he should get the ax. Art Shell was fired after one season so I think it could/should happen to Kiffin as well.

I am just judging him from a coaching stand point. I don't think he's coaching to win ball games.... What's with carrying 4 quarterback's on your roster when he's so committed to McCown? He's playing the worst quarterback that we have. And not only that... who has our defense stopped? In my opinion Kiffin is setting us up to lose man.

I think we need a "win now" coach instead of a coach who needs time. What if a few years go by and the Raiders still don't make it to the playoffs? It will be a waste of time and we'll be in the situation that the Niners are in now. Al needs to give ol Mike Marty Martz a call.
 
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Martz would be a good OC, but I'm happy with Kiffin as head coach. The coaches they've gotten the last few years have all been "win now" coaches, so fuck that. I like how Kiffin is turning this organization around with discipline and doing all the little things right. You can't turn a franchise around in less than a year, especially one as fucked up as the Raiders franchise the last few years...
 

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I see your point but I still think this team is undisciplined (and our defense has gotten worse).... Curry dropping balls and jumping off-sides and I think our offensive linemen lead the league in false starts. If it's not Kiffin then we need to look at our personnel. I think it's Kiffin though. We'll see how the team does the rest of the season.
 
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I see your point but I still think this team is undisciplined (and our defense has gotten worse).... Curry dropping balls and jumping off-sides and I think our offensive linemen lead the league in false starts. If it's not Kiffin then we need to look at our personnel. I think it's Kiffin though. We'll see how the team does the rest of the season.
When have the Raiders NOT led the league in penalties? You have much to learn about the Raiders young lad...

But I agree about Curry jumping off-sides and shit like that, it's definitely gotta go...
 

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When have the Raiders NOT led the league in penalties?
I think we need a rah rah coach. Someone that's going to get into these players faces and holler and spit... so they'll quit screwing up. Kiffin needs to holler at these repeat offenders. I remember Sims jumped off-sides three times in a row against Tennessee. Kiffin needs to start chewing players out. Maybe I am being to hard on Kiffin but we need results. Seems like we've regressed because our defense has gotten worse and we're not scoring points anymore.
 
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I think we need a rah rah coach. Someone that's going to get into these players faces and holler and spit... so they'll quit screwing up. Kiffin needs to holler at these repeat offenders. I remember Sims jumped off-sides three times in a row against Tennessee. Kiffin needs to start chewing players out. Maybe I am being to hard on Kiffin but we need results. Seems like we've regressed because our defense has gotten worse and we're not scoring points anymore.
I see your point Tony, but I'm just saying that I'm pleased with what Kiffin is doing because the team is heading in the right direction. There is still LOTS more improving to do, but at least he's got the team going the right direction, unlike the last few head coaches the teams' had...
 
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Fire him??? why the fuck do you think he is the only one who wanted the job?? The head coach for the raiders is only a title..they really don't do shit.....Al runs things top to bottom..moves can't be made withoit his approval....you can hate Kiffin all you want right now..but what about callahan, shell, etc........The only coach worth a damn in recent memory was chuck..and al let hm go because he wanted more control. There is a reason coaches were decling offers to apply for the job.
yea i love how people think the head coach is the fucking king of every team. they run practice and plays, and thats about it. al davis's senile ass needs to die or just sell the team so an owner with some sense can take over and let the team grow.
especially at this point in the season we should just play russell, were what, 2-6/2-7? we're not making playoffs, get the future of our franchise some downs so we can see if hes worth the money, or if he's just another walters
 
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I think we need a rah rah coach. Someone that's going to get into these players faces and holler and spit... so they'll quit screwing up. Kiffin needs to holler at these repeat offenders. I remember Sims jumped off-sides three times in a row against Tennessee. Kiffin needs to start chewing players out. Maybe I am being to hard on Kiffin but we need results. Seems like we've regressed because our defense has gotten worse and we're not scoring points anymore.
we had that in Art Shell.. look how that turned out.. shit just ask Jerry Porter
 

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^I am talking about chewing mf's out on the sidelines. When the Raiders would jump off-sides Art would just write something down on his clipboard but I never saw him chew anyone out. You notice everytime a Raider offensive lineman screws up they always put the camera on the head coach? It's like the camera man is looking for a reaction from the head coach and our head coach just paces up and down the sidelines. I would be chewing them mf's out.

I am not feeling Kiffin right now to tell you the truth. I know has doesn't have the talent but he's still gotta coach to win ball games. That trick play with McCown should have been saved for the end of the game not the beginning because you see when he tried that play again we got stuffed for a 6 yard loss. It's like who was he trying to fool (again)? This the NFL man.

And why would he leave his 4th cornerback in man coverage with no safety help? Come on man...
 

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I cut and pasted this:

My last "worst Sunday" post caught a lot of heat, some desearved, but most of it not desearved. This will be my last post because I know ya'll are getting sick and tired of my crazy rants and posts, even though the majority of what I say is true. Just read what I have to say and if I'm wrong about any of it, I'll shove my foot in my mouth forever.

Why Lane Kiffin can not coach in the NFL:

-The biggest problem I have with Lane Kiffin is his decision to play Josh McCown over Duante Culpepper. Culpepper kept you close in all games vs good teams (KC, at Tenn, at SD) , McCown gets you out of the game against awful teams (Houston, Chicago). McCown could be the worst quaterback in the history of the NFL, seriously, not even trying to raise eyebrows, the only one who is worse is Ryan Leaf. If Kiffin is a good coach, why does he insist of playing McCown, because he has shown us ANYTHING positive in his 4 losses? Maybe it was not an off the wall suggestion that he may be trying to "tank" the rest of the season. All I know is Culpepper at home would have won the games vs. Houston and Chicago to keep us in the division hunt. But no, we play McCown, that is an automatic loss. Culpepper should have started from week 1, McCown started because he knew the playbook. WHAT PLAYBOOK? that meager offensive scheme we call a game plan? that sorry excuse for an "explosive offense" (which he said in his first press conference), our offense looks like it takes about 3 weeks to learn. Culpepper fumbles but hey, we were in all the games he played in down to the wire. McCown just flat out is awful and the offense is a reflection of him at QB when he's in the game.

-Dominic Rhodes came off a superbowl win in which he played well in. He comes to the leagues worst team in 2006 and does not even play. How are we supposed to attract free agents after they see what happened to him? Lane Kiffin has made Oakland an un-attractive destination for free agents by shoving Rhodes to the bench.

-I caught heat for saying that we ruined Russell's career by drafting him. Am I wrong? You want to play Jamarcus Russell now with a so-so undersized starting RB in Fargas, a 5 8 old slow WR in Tim Dwight, a rookie WR in Higgins, a slumping out of his prime Jerry Porter, a solid number 3 receiver on any other NFL team in Curry, a rookie TE in miller, a dysfunctional offensive line, and a 32 year old head coach that is way over his head in Kiffin. Now please tell me how in the world is Russell even given a chance to be successful? Football is not magic, and the rest of you (like me for a long time) are living in a fantasy world. This is a bad team, with no offensive weapons, do you really think Russell is going to be what you all WANT or THINK he is going to be with that cast? Absolutely not, he will be sub par at best and might get injured with this team.

Worst Part Is:

- Are you saying we could not win against Damon Huard, Rex Grossman, and Sage Rosenfels at home? Seriously, those 3 QB's in Oakland all won games, enough said.

-How many players on this team really wanna be here? Not for the money, or for a job, how many really wanna play for the Raiders. Deep down the only player who wants to play for the Raiders is Kirk Morrison. Hence why he is the only one who plays hard and at a high level every week. So the least all of us could do is vote to death until he gets to the pro bowl. The Raiders don't wanna win, teams that wanna win find ways to win games, not find ways to lose them.

Future:

-We actually have about 15-20 solid players. If we hired a real NFL proven coach (Mike Martz, Dennis Green, anyone) we could get free agents and a solid draft (not a draft where we cut our 3rd round pick, Quinton Moses). The AFC West is slumping and will be next year too. Norv Turner will be fired, Brodie Croyle will start, and Denver will be a little above average at best. The division was up for grabs this year, but we didnt even come close, maybe next year we will have another shot.

-Anyone who thinks a 32 year old with no coaching experience in the NFL will take the Raiders to the promise land next year or the year after that is out of their mind. I dont care who his dad is, he is not him, and his dad won a fluke superbowl as a Defensive Coordinator, its not like hes the son of Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells. And dont even mention the "next Jon Gruden", because Gruden was in the NFL for a number of years before he coached oakland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden). Lane Kiffin is just another bad hire by Al Davis, and if he isnt fired this year, he will eventually within the next 12-24 monthes, so dont expect Lane Kiffin to be here long term. Lane Kiffin basiclly has to get this team to the playoffs next year or his job is in jeapordy, and playoffs next year, dont hold your breathe.

ART SHELL 2006- 2-7
LANE KIFFIN 2007- 2-7

ART SHELL- the game of football had past his time
LANE KIFFIN- the game of football was not his time yet

ART SHELL- had 2 starting QB's that both we're bad
LANE KIFFIN- has 1 starting QB that is awful and decides to continue to play him

+1 for Shell
ADVANTAGE: ART SHELL

Last Thought:

-Some of you might question my allegiance to the raider nation. I'm probably the most bitter person here, and have to air out my frustration "realistically". Not from a bias point of view like most people post with all that positive s h i t. Its not about being positive, hopeful, a true raider, and all that, its about being realistic. You all watch the games on Sunday, call a spade a spade, it is what it is, it's sad, but the Raiders are what they are. This will be my last post, say whatever you want because I'm wont even be checking it to see peoples responses, the Raiders are so disheartening this year, for the first time I actually don't care. Thanks Josh McCown and Lane Kiffin, you have once again for the 5th straight year faded the team from relevancy, managed to have no point in playing the last half of the season, and actually made me not care about football all together.

"Lane Kiffin leads Raiders to Superbowl"

-do you really think thats gonna happen? Lane Kiffin leading the Oakland Raiders to a superbowl, once again unrealistic, that statement read aloud doesnt sound right, dont believe me, try saying it out loud youself, ha. Someone get Bill Cowher on the phone, tell him we need a tough, hardcore, in your face NFL head coach to ignite these players and bring back REAL RAIDER FOOTBALL.
 

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ALSO, THE REASON RUSSEL ISN'T GOING IN IS BECAUSE HE'S NOT READY. THERE'S NO CONSPIRACY THERE. HE ALSO DOESN'T WANNA THROW RUSSELL IN BEHIND SUCH A POROUS O LINE AND WATCH HIM GET SACKED 40 TIMES. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ROOKIE NEEDS TO START OUT IN THE LEAGUE.
Man I say if we're not going to start Culpepper (who gives us the best chance to win) then we should start Russell so he could get some NFL experience, taste the speed of the game, and be ready for next year. This offense doesn't look like it's all that hard to learn... with the play calling from the Chicago game (run, run, pass) Russell could of handled that. He needs to put him in there and quit acting all scary. Russell is getting paid big money. Put him in there. Leinhart, Cutler, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Eli Manning, all played at some point in their rookie season.
 
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I don't see this huge amount of talent on the Raiders team that makes Kiffen's job easy...

Unless it's a team loaded with talent (SD), it's hard for a new coach (especially a rookie coach) to turn a team around in his first year.

I have patience; the Raiders could have Tony Dungy right now, and wouldn't be contenders.

The only other coach I would welcome right now that's even remotely (barely) plausible is Cowher.
 

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Coaching is what the Raiders need... yeah they don't have a lot of talent but they're better than 2-8. Minnesota isn't all that talented and they smashed us... Kiffin needs to be sent back to USC because this is too much for him to handle. Does he know anything about defense?