Should Kiffin be fired?
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I think Kiffin is doing the best he can with what he has. This is def. rebuild mode and Like Kiffin said b4, He wants to play JaMarcus but he dont want him to develop bad habbits with our bad o line. I see why he has McClown in there and that is because his legs still work unlike Culp. You can really see how slow Culp has gotten and since there is only like 1/2 second for the QB to get rid of the ball you need mobility. all in all Kiff has done a good job so far and I think this next offseason he will be making cuts that are needed aswell as aquiring the missing links. He has a game plan for the rebuilding of the team so we just need to stay patient. Hes not perfect, he has made some bad coaching calls but hes a rook coach. Hes and the team will get better....
I called you an idiot cuz firing a young coach that the players actually wanna play for is stupid, noone else is willing to work under al davis, and we need someone to keep their jobs for more than 1 season in order to build something.
al davis has had a "win now" attitude.....he has always had that and that's why we're in the shithole right now....we don't need a win now coach....we need a coach now coach, a build now coach, we don't have enough talent to compete on an elite level. yeah, maybe with some great coach they'll come in and win more games for us, we may even make it into the wildcard, but for what? a season? fuck that, I'd rather spend 1 year working towards the next 5 and have many seasons of greatness rather than the bullshit they're trying to do now.
al davis has had a "win now" attitude.....he has always had that and that's why we're in the shithole right now....we don't need a win now coach....we need a coach now coach, a build now coach, we don't have enough talent to compete on an elite level. yeah, maybe with some great coach they'll come in and win more games for us, we may even make it into the wildcard, but for what? a season? fuck that, I'd rather spend 1 year working towards the next 5 and have many seasons of greatness rather than the bullshit they're trying to do now.
by your logic Jimmy Johnson and Bill Wash should have been fired too after their 1st year too huh? you can find several examples of other good coaches that started out bad but ultimately had success in the NFL
im not saying he is going to become Walsh or Johnson, but they have to give him time, with his system
im not saying he is going to become Walsh or Johnson, but they have to give him time, with his system
you gotta be kiddin me???? Dudes first year ever as an NFL head coach and you already wanna fire him?! He's already the best coach we had within 3 years.... give him time and let him build some confidence... shit at least we already have 2 wins and will end up with a better record than last season.. and at least he has this offense actually puttin up points this season and keeping games close.. he just needs to get this team over that hump and finish out games
i dont think he should be fired yet but i would like to see him put russell in soon, check this out
Why Lane Kiffin won’t play JaMarcus Russell (for a while)
By Tim Kawakami
Monday, November 12th, 2007 at 11:47 am in Raiders, NFL.
This entry could be rendered null and stupid in just a few hours, and those are the fun ones to type, I must admit.
This is a stupid blog item… if Lane Kiffin announces that, gee whiz, it’s time to start playing JaMarcus Russell now that the Raiders season is lost and Josh McCown is hurt and everybody else is lousy.
Doubt Kiffin says any of that, however. I’m betting that he keeps saying what he has been saying, loss after loss after loss after loss after loss: It’s not time to play Russell and I’ll let you know when that time is, and it might not be for a while.
I think I started calling for Russell to get playing time about a month ago, so obviously you know where I stand: Josh McCown? Daunte Culpepper? I think a good coaching staff can make the situation calm enough for a QB as talented and raw as Russell.
Because he is incredibly talented. And yes, very raw. But the Raiders are blocking OK for the passing game–which makes McCown’s and Culpepper’s struggles even more ridiculous.
108 total yards passing against Chicago yesterday? Absurd.
Oh, and one LARGE POINT to make right off the bat: I believe AL DAVIS WANTS RUSSELL TO PLAY, but is letting Kiffin make this call. For now.
Davis is the guy who drafted Russell, who is paying him $32M guaranteed, and who loves the deep ball that Russell throws better than anybody.
Davis loves stars, and Russell is a star. Hey, we’re calling for Russell to play when we’ve never seen him, ever, in a Raider uniform under center. Therefore: A STAR. Russell is the starry-est player the Raiders have.
Davis created the Raiders’ star system… then watched it blow apart with Randy Moss, Charles Woodson, et al.
This is Kiffin’s call this year–Davis is allowing him that grace period.
Kiffin is holding the line on Russell, probably at least for another two or three games or maybe more, when such a large percentage of Raiders watchers are dying to see Russell.
Here’s why Kiffin’s holding Russell out:
1. Kiffin never thought Russell was the best player in the draft, didn’t think it when Al Davis selected the big QB No. 1 overall, and sure doesn’t think so now.
Summary: KIFFIN DIDN’T WANT TO DRAFT RUSSELL, which Russell also knows.
I’ve written it before, had it confirmed several times by NFL sources, and I think it’s the biggest part of Russell’s slow unveiling now.
Big monster QB arms don’t impress Kiffin as much as checkdowns, neat little scrambles and leadership skills. Kiffin isn’t a “vertical” game guy, at all. He’s the opposite. He’s a dink-dunk, methodical drive guy.
That’s sort of what he sees in McCown, therefore McCown has been his No. 1 since he walked onto Raider property.
McCown’s not a good or even mediocre NFL QB, but given Kiffin’s options, McCown is the closest thing to what he likes.
Remember, the Raiders brought Brady Quinn in for negotiations when the Raiders were also negotiating with Russell, before the No. 1 selection. (Calvin Johnson was a thought with the pick, too.)
Quinn, if you think about it, is much more comparable to Kiffin’s USC guy, Matt Leinart, than Russell could ever be. You know, the read the defense-calm-leadership QB… Russell isn’t that and may never be that, though I’d love to see if he could develop into that.
I think Kiffin just doesn’t see it happening for Russell for a long time.
2. Russell’s training camp holdout killed his development for this season, and Kiffin really didn’t mind that.
In fact, as I typed back in August, I think Kiffin told Davis early in summer that Russell wasn’t ready to help the team at any point in 2007, so why not hold the line on his salary demands right up to the regular season?
That’s exactly what happened–and the prophecy played out: Russell held out all the way to the regular season, he got way behind, and Kiffin has every excuse not to play him, even in November–Hey, he missed camp! He’s not ready!
3. Kiffin’s making a point to Al, and Al’s letting him make it.
The point: Things have gone all haywire here for four years doing it your way, let’s do it MY WAY, and that includes keeping the Big Star No. 1 Pick QB on a slow path to playing time.
Hey, this isn’t about Al being less hands-on than he used to be. Long ago, he let Mike Shanahan have his way… for a little more than a year. THEN BOOM, he was gone. He let Jon Gruden generally have his way for most of four years.
Al will let Kiffin do it his way, or mostly his way, until he sees it isn’t working. Hey Lane, you might want to win some games at the end of this season, I’m just saying.
4. Great point: Kiffin needs to win some games, and Russell isn’t the guy who’ll necessarily do that this year.
I’m not sure McCown or Culpepper (or even Andrew Walter) are guys who’ll win games, but Russell under center, whenever it happens, will automatically lead to some horrible decisions and game-losing mistakes. Absolutely. We all know that going into it.
Kiffin is still fighting for 6-10 or 5-11 at the very least, and if he plays Russell, he’s thinking this could possibly be 3-13 and Kiffin’s out the door, anyway.
5. Kiffin’s making a point to his veteran players, many of whom don’t want to abandon all and let a shaky rookie grab the reins just yet.
Some of the players, it should be pointed out, want to see Russell out there because they’ve seen enough of McCown and Culpepper. Many, or perhaps most, don’t want to throw the season into the hands of a rookie who might start throwing multiple passes directly to the other team.
If Kiffin’s building something here–and that’s a big IF–he wants to bulid it through the locker room, and that hasn’t been done here since Gruden. Kiffin wants the players to look at each other and find strength, not point fingers at the coach or the management or the rookie QB and say, “What the hell, time to quit.”
That means Kiffin’s going to keep to his principles–he made a big point yesterday about Pete Carroll sticking to his principles when USC started 2-5 in Carroll’s first season–and the showiest way to do that is to keep the Big Monster Rookie QB tethered to the sidelines.
There other examples, of course: LaMont Jordan, kicking it to Devin Hester, believing in Sebastian Janikowski, banishing Quentin Moses… But the Rookie QB is the Biggest One.
6. Kiffin is stubborn. That’s a fairly good thing–Bill Parcells is incredibly stubborn, Belichick, Tony Dungy, Marty Schottenheimer, Al Davis his ownself…
You don’t lead men by being wishy-washy, and Kiffin is striving to prove how well he can lead large athletes into the field of play.
He’s sticking to his guns on the Russell Issue.
7. Kiffin doesn’t think Russell is one of those guys
Why Lane Kiffin won’t play JaMarcus Russell (for a while)
By Tim Kawakami
Monday, November 12th, 2007 at 11:47 am in Raiders, NFL.
This entry could be rendered null and stupid in just a few hours, and those are the fun ones to type, I must admit.
This is a stupid blog item… if Lane Kiffin announces that, gee whiz, it’s time to start playing JaMarcus Russell now that the Raiders season is lost and Josh McCown is hurt and everybody else is lousy.
Doubt Kiffin says any of that, however. I’m betting that he keeps saying what he has been saying, loss after loss after loss after loss after loss: It’s not time to play Russell and I’ll let you know when that time is, and it might not be for a while.
I think I started calling for Russell to get playing time about a month ago, so obviously you know where I stand: Josh McCown? Daunte Culpepper? I think a good coaching staff can make the situation calm enough for a QB as talented and raw as Russell.
Because he is incredibly talented. And yes, very raw. But the Raiders are blocking OK for the passing game–which makes McCown’s and Culpepper’s struggles even more ridiculous.
108 total yards passing against Chicago yesterday? Absurd.
Oh, and one LARGE POINT to make right off the bat: I believe AL DAVIS WANTS RUSSELL TO PLAY, but is letting Kiffin make this call. For now.
Davis is the guy who drafted Russell, who is paying him $32M guaranteed, and who loves the deep ball that Russell throws better than anybody.
Davis loves stars, and Russell is a star. Hey, we’re calling for Russell to play when we’ve never seen him, ever, in a Raider uniform under center. Therefore: A STAR. Russell is the starry-est player the Raiders have.
Davis created the Raiders’ star system… then watched it blow apart with Randy Moss, Charles Woodson, et al.
This is Kiffin’s call this year–Davis is allowing him that grace period.
Kiffin is holding the line on Russell, probably at least for another two or three games or maybe more, when such a large percentage of Raiders watchers are dying to see Russell.
Here’s why Kiffin’s holding Russell out:
1. Kiffin never thought Russell was the best player in the draft, didn’t think it when Al Davis selected the big QB No. 1 overall, and sure doesn’t think so now.
Summary: KIFFIN DIDN’T WANT TO DRAFT RUSSELL, which Russell also knows.
I’ve written it before, had it confirmed several times by NFL sources, and I think it’s the biggest part of Russell’s slow unveiling now.
Big monster QB arms don’t impress Kiffin as much as checkdowns, neat little scrambles and leadership skills. Kiffin isn’t a “vertical” game guy, at all. He’s the opposite. He’s a dink-dunk, methodical drive guy.
That’s sort of what he sees in McCown, therefore McCown has been his No. 1 since he walked onto Raider property.
McCown’s not a good or even mediocre NFL QB, but given Kiffin’s options, McCown is the closest thing to what he likes.
Remember, the Raiders brought Brady Quinn in for negotiations when the Raiders were also negotiating with Russell, before the No. 1 selection. (Calvin Johnson was a thought with the pick, too.)
Quinn, if you think about it, is much more comparable to Kiffin’s USC guy, Matt Leinart, than Russell could ever be. You know, the read the defense-calm-leadership QB… Russell isn’t that and may never be that, though I’d love to see if he could develop into that.
I think Kiffin just doesn’t see it happening for Russell for a long time.
2. Russell’s training camp holdout killed his development for this season, and Kiffin really didn’t mind that.
In fact, as I typed back in August, I think Kiffin told Davis early in summer that Russell wasn’t ready to help the team at any point in 2007, so why not hold the line on his salary demands right up to the regular season?
That’s exactly what happened–and the prophecy played out: Russell held out all the way to the regular season, he got way behind, and Kiffin has every excuse not to play him, even in November–Hey, he missed camp! He’s not ready!
3. Kiffin’s making a point to Al, and Al’s letting him make it.
The point: Things have gone all haywire here for four years doing it your way, let’s do it MY WAY, and that includes keeping the Big Star No. 1 Pick QB on a slow path to playing time.
Hey, this isn’t about Al being less hands-on than he used to be. Long ago, he let Mike Shanahan have his way… for a little more than a year. THEN BOOM, he was gone. He let Jon Gruden generally have his way for most of four years.
Al will let Kiffin do it his way, or mostly his way, until he sees it isn’t working. Hey Lane, you might want to win some games at the end of this season, I’m just saying.
4. Great point: Kiffin needs to win some games, and Russell isn’t the guy who’ll necessarily do that this year.
I’m not sure McCown or Culpepper (or even Andrew Walter) are guys who’ll win games, but Russell under center, whenever it happens, will automatically lead to some horrible decisions and game-losing mistakes. Absolutely. We all know that going into it.
Kiffin is still fighting for 6-10 or 5-11 at the very least, and if he plays Russell, he’s thinking this could possibly be 3-13 and Kiffin’s out the door, anyway.
5. Kiffin’s making a point to his veteran players, many of whom don’t want to abandon all and let a shaky rookie grab the reins just yet.
Some of the players, it should be pointed out, want to see Russell out there because they’ve seen enough of McCown and Culpepper. Many, or perhaps most, don’t want to throw the season into the hands of a rookie who might start throwing multiple passes directly to the other team.
If Kiffin’s building something here–and that’s a big IF–he wants to bulid it through the locker room, and that hasn’t been done here since Gruden. Kiffin wants the players to look at each other and find strength, not point fingers at the coach or the management or the rookie QB and say, “What the hell, time to quit.”
That means Kiffin’s going to keep to his principles–he made a big point yesterday about Pete Carroll sticking to his principles when USC started 2-5 in Carroll’s first season–and the showiest way to do that is to keep the Big Monster Rookie QB tethered to the sidelines.
There other examples, of course: LaMont Jordan, kicking it to Devin Hester, believing in Sebastian Janikowski, banishing Quentin Moses… But the Rookie QB is the Biggest One.
6. Kiffin is stubborn. That’s a fairly good thing–Bill Parcells is incredibly stubborn, Belichick, Tony Dungy, Marty Schottenheimer, Al Davis his ownself…
You don’t lead men by being wishy-washy, and Kiffin is striving to prove how well he can lead large athletes into the field of play.
He’s sticking to his guns on the Russell Issue.
7. Kiffin doesn’t think Russell is one of those guys
I am pretty much judging from the way Kiffin coached against the Bears. He coached not to lose instead of coaching to win. We could have beat the Bears if we would have taken shots down the field. This is why the Raiders don't sell out games. Fans pay loot for their tickets and they don't want to come to the stadium to see their team lose.
Judging from the article that Kool_Aid posted Kiffin/Russell doesn't look like a good match. We may need to find a coach that has a more potent offense that scores points. Points=Wins in the NFL and with the way Kiffin is coaching we won't win many games. I say we need a new coach I don't think Kiffin is the answer.
And about rebuilding? Look at the 49ers for example...they've been rebuilding for the longest. I think we need a coach with that "win now" attitude or else we're going to continue to see the Raiders lose.
Judging from the article that Kool_Aid posted Kiffin/Russell doesn't look like a good match. We may need to find a coach that has a more potent offense that scores points. Points=Wins in the NFL and with the way Kiffin is coaching we won't win many games. I say we need a new coach I don't think Kiffin is the answer.
And about rebuilding? Look at the 49ers for example...they've been rebuilding for the longest. I think we need a coach with that "win now" attitude or else we're going to continue to see the Raiders lose.
– Berrian's touchdown reception over Chris Carr was a case of the Bears beating man-to-man coverage without schematic help from the safety. Kiffin said free safety Stuart Schweigert, according to the defensive alignment, was not supposed to provide deep help.
"We were in single high safeties, so that’s not Stu’s play," Kiffin said. We put it on Chris and he’d covered those guys for most of the day and done a good job, and the guy ran by him."
Man WTF is wrong with Kiffin? Berrian is one of the fastest wide receivers in the league and you leave your 4th cornerback on him one on one in man coverage with no safety help deep? Is he serious? I think this idiot should be fired.
"We were in single high safeties, so that’s not Stu’s play," Kiffin said. We put it on Chris and he’d covered those guys for most of the day and done a good job, and the guy ran by him."
Man WTF is wrong with Kiffin? Berrian is one of the fastest wide receivers in the league and you leave your 4th cornerback on him one on one in man coverage with no safety help deep? Is he serious? I think this idiot should be fired.