No On 8 / No On Religion

[BeWarned]

I believe homosexuality is a choice, but also a biological glitch/fuck up/anomality similar to being born retarded, with four arms or with down syndrome.

http://www.narth.com/

The only people who still believe that homosexuals are gay by choice are people who have never known a homosexual. I have a couple friends that are gay and they are not some "glitch or fuck up". they are normal people who like they same sex. They are very intelligent and they will tell you that they had no choice in who they like.

And the whole "it shouldn't be taught in school" argument is stupid. Its not like teachers are coming in with gay porn and showing the kids how sex works for 2 gay people. They are just trying to show the kids that two adults can love each other the same way if it is of the opposite sex or same sex. It's not going to turn your kids gay. They aren't going to get your kids with the evil gay rays.

 

[RedStorm]

Evidence of Homosexuality in Japanese Macaques:

http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/takenoshita.htm

 

[thatguy]

I know all you brainwashed people are gonna vote Yes cus your "beliefs", but this is for everybody who is allowed to think for them selves.............


Dont let this shit pass. These church's "believe" that gay marriage is wrong, but is it right that we have to vote on a prop that is based on "beliefs"? I mean religion is just a "belief", so so we're letting these beliefs dictate law.........


And aint it funny (but not suprising) that these church's are supporting and sponsoring these add's about how gay marriage is going to get taught in schools if 8 dont pass. Its not about gay shit in school, so isnt that dicieving? mis-leading? isnt that a form of lying? These dudes are quick to break one of the rules to instill another. They dont have enough faith in the followers to just say "its not right"...........Im suprised these gay associations aint picked up on this hypocracy and ran with it...........

as someone mentioned in one of the MANY previous threads about this, marriage is a contract 2 people enter stating they will stay with each other through the good and the bad. this is for the children they will produce to have a balanced environment. now, some say it is discrimination to not let gays marry, but if this is the case, it is also discrimination to not allow groups or relatives to marry. this has nothing to do with religion or beliefs, its about securing a safe environment for the children.

some people get so caught up trying to be open minded, their mind closes even more so than when they began. and you state you think for yourself, yet you made a thread about something that has been covered many times. you come in showing the same views as other anti religious members of this board. you bring forth no new ideas yet claim you are thinking for yourself.

lol, good day sir

 

[thatguy]

The only people who still believe that homosexuals are gay by choice are people who have never known a homosexual. I have a couple friends that are gay and they are not some "glitch or fuck up". they are normal people who like they same sex. They are very intelligent and they will tell you that they had no choice in who they like.

And the whole "it shouldn't be taught in school" argument is stupid. Its not like teachers are coming in with gay porn and showing the kids how sex works for 2 gay people. They are just trying to show the kids that two adults can love each other the same way if it is of the opposite sex or same sex. It's not going to turn your kids gay. They aren't going to get your kids with the evil gay rays.

i have gay relatives and they say they werent always gay, i still dont believe your born gay or some shit. its something that develops in childhood.

as far as the school argument, look at this

In March, 2000, California voters overwhelmingly approved Proposition 22, which stated, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." However, the California State Supreme Court declared Proposition 22 unconstitutional by a 4-3 vote on May 15, 2008. Proposition 8 restores the exact wording of Proposition 22 to the California state constitution reversing the activist decision of those four California Supreme Court judges.

Marriage is not a right!

Contrary to the claims of the anti-prop 8 forces, marriage is not a right. Marriage is a responsibility and a legally-binding contract intended to stabilize families with children.

Marriage has always been restricted


Numerous laws exist that restrict the ability of certain people to enter into a marriage contract. First, marriage is only allowed between adults, not minors. Second, marriage is only allowed between two individuals. Multiple partner marriages (polygamy and polyandry) are not legal. Third, marriage is not allowed between closely related individuals (brothers, sisters, and first cousins). If marriage is declared a fundamental right of all individuals, then all restrictions to marriage would be declared unconstitutional, opening the doors to polygamy, polyandry, incest, and child marriage.

Marriage is for procreation, not recreation

The reason why marriage is already restricted only to unrelated adult males and females is because the marriage contract is designed to stabilize a family so that children can be born and raised by a male and female parent. Marriage is all about procreation and not recreation. Individuals, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, are perfectly capable to showing love towards others without entering into a lifelong marriage contract.

Prop 8 does not limit gay rights

Proposition 8 does not take away legal rights from anybody. Any two individuals in the state of California may enter into a domestic partnership, which, by statute, grants them all legal rights and responsibilities of married individuals (Family Code 297.5).

A "right" of gay marriage will restrict the rights of others

Where gay marriage has already been enacted, the rights of others have been abridged. Here are some examples:

* In February, 2007, the judge in a Massachusetts case ordered the teaching of the homosexual lifestyle to children in public schools.
* In March 2007 freshmen were told not to tell their parents about Deerfield, Illinois High School's pro-gay seminar and were required to sign a confidentiality agreement.
* In March 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
* In February 2008, a professor was fired from San Jose Evergreen Community College after being accused of providing an "offensive" answer out of the textbook to a student's question about heredity and homosexual behavior.
* In April, 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple’s commitment ceremony.
* In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the University of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
* In September, 2008, the California Supreme Court ruled that California doctors who have religious objections to artificially inseminating same-sex couples can no longer refuse to treat them.
* In September, 2008, A Placer County couple's marriage license was denied because they had written the words "bride" and "groom" next to "Party A" and "Party B".
* In October, 2008, First grade public school students were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding. The indoctrination of young minds has just begun!
* In October, 2008, An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 violently attacked an injured a Proposition 8 supporter.
* On October 17, 2008 opponents of Proposition 8 illegally defaced my pro-Prop 8 yard sign.
* On October 23, 2008, a Hayward California public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Proposition 8 is not about rights, but is about protecting marriage and families against the destruction of traditional marriage through the actions of four activist judges. If the institution of marriage is declared a right for all individuals then any laws that restrict that right will be declared unconstitutional, requiring that polygamy, polyandry and incestuous marriage be made legal...........Vote YES on Proposition 8.

and on more thing, you may not know this but, your belief system is basis for everything that is you from your character, to your personality. most of your beliefs are made by the age of 7 years old. so if kids start to learn and accept homosexuality at that young age, they could in fact turn gay by seeing at as another natural option.


and lastly, heresy touched on this, but i dont think half of you even comprehend what he says half the time. so i will restate it because i agree. the thread is full of people saying there should be a separation of church and state blah blah, and that religion should not make laws. then someone showed the catholics are the majority, and jumped to the conclusion all catholics are voting yes. that isnt true. there are people of all religions voting both ways. im not saying there are no bible thumping fucks walking in with bible in hand voting yes thinking they get a spot in heaven for it. there certainly are.but here is how i see the other side of things. there are also an equally large group it seems running around with anti religious beliefs that are in fact letting religion define their belief on this, due to the idea that voting yes has some tie to religious beliefs. you talk so much about how it doesnt effect you, yet you keep attempting to paint everyone apposing you as some kind of bible thumping lunatic.

 

[HERESY]

The only people who still believe that homosexuals are gay by choice are people who have never known a homosexual.

This has to be one of the dumbest comments ever made on this forum, and the studies done by scientist, sociologist, physocolgist and psychiatrist suggest that in many cases it is a choice. The only people who still believe people do not choose to be homosexual are those who have never taken a human sexuality course in college, have no clue about transitory or transitional homosexuality and talk just for the fuck of it. BTW, they also don't consider the homosexual population in prison.

I have a couple friends that are gay and they are not some "glitch or fuck up". they are normal people who like they same sex. They are very intelligent and they will tell you that they had no choice in who they like.

That is not what the evidence suggests.

And the whole "it shouldn't be taught in school" argument is stupid. Its not like teachers are coming in with gay porn and showing the kids how sex works for 2 gay people. They are just trying to show the kids that two adults can love each other the same way if it is of the opposite sex or same sex. It's not going to turn your kids gay. They aren't going to get your kids with the evil gay rays.

According to one of the links I posted, "The UCLA study does not address homosexuality directly. But Vilain said other data suggest that 75 percent of boys who were confused about their gender identity as children grow up to be gay. The new study, he said, may help "pave the way to find out about gender identity" in such children."

Do you have any evidence to contradict the "other data" that Dr. Eric Vilain, an assistant professor of human genetics and urology at the David Geffen School of Medicine at the University of California at Los Angeles, has researched or read?

As stated before, I don't care if it was a hetero wedding. No first grader should attend a wedding as an educational event.

And speaking of links I posted, if you're going to quote me, make sure you do it in the proper context. There was no need for you to take two pieces of my post that have no relation to each other and lump them together in hopes of making it seem as if they do. Thanks.

 

[siccness-user]

interesting

 

[SeriouslyThug]

in middle school i used to bully this one weirdo kid. As i matured in highschool then dropped out and matured without external influences, i became friends with the guy. Later he comes clean to me and says that hes gay and thats why he was always weird.
He explained it as "i feel like im a woman in a mans body" or "my thoughts are 100% feminine". i was like how the fuck can u find a male body attractive when you are the male body? n he started bringin in abs n chest into the picture which sorta disgusted me. I researched it online and other gays stated the same thing that they feel that they are a woman in a mans body with feminine thoughts n shit. Who knows, he could have read that same link and adopted that description, but in the end i look beyond homosexuality now.

 

[SFC I-Side]

wow this shit got to weird for me, case closed I win, will see ya next november

 

[miggidy]

I voted yes....

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

wow this shit got to weird for me, case closed I win, will see ya next november

LOL @ "case closed i win"

 

[BayBoy92510]

bottom line is gay people are gonna be gay , live together and do whatever, what the fuck difference does it make if they have some bullshit piece of paper that says there married and they pay a tax on it? Stopping them from getting "certified gay" doesnt mean there not gonna be gay

 

[SeriouslyThug]

^^^ co-sign


and if being gay is a sin in Gods eyes then he will take care of them.

 

[Foul Mouth]

So you don't yet you're implying that it isn't a choice? Oh yeah, now it's ok to look at the other side of the fence?

again, you could ask everybody else who disagrees with me that but you dont.you talk about bias alot though...........


no body seems to show proof that its a choice, i dont show proof its biological, the difference is, i "think" your born with it everybody else "knows" its a choice, yet i need proof?


and i think its a "glitch" as you call it...........and some choose, more so with females, but with that said, they aint "gay", they just have "gay relations".......Michael Jackson is still an African American, he can bleach his hair blond and get blue contacts to match his white skin, hes still a black man........you can be gay as a child, hide it, get married, have kids, your still gay.........imo

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I don't think anyone is born homosexual or heterosexual.

 

[RedStorm]

Anyone, like human? Or all animals?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Anyone, like human? Or all animals?

I'd say all animals. I don't interpret the sexual act of animals in order to propagate the species as a case for being born heterosexual just as I don't interpret sexual acts between same sex animals as constituting them being born homosexual. I think humans just like to classify themselves in these ways for a social sense of belonging.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I'd say all animals. I don't interpret the sexual act of animals in order to propagate the species as a case for being born heterosexual just as I don't interpret sexual acts between same sex animals as constituting them being born homosexual. I think humans just like to classify themselves in these ways for a social sense of belonging.

Well here is a problem with this thoguht process...there are accounts of penguins, dolphins and many other species of aniomals that have displayed homosexual behavior. When did they figure out that they were gay and how did they find one another?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Well here is a problem with this thoguht process...there are accounts of penguins, dolphins and many other species of aniomals that have displayed homosexual behavior. When did they figure out that they were gay and how did they find one another?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

How does that demonstrate a problem with my thought process? I brought up homosexual activity in animals and how that doesn't necessarily mean they were born homosexual. The question "when did they figure out they were gay" presupposes that they are inherently gay -- the very item in question here.

 

[thatguy]

in middle school i used to bully this one weirdo kid. As i matured in highschool then dropped out and matured without external influences, i became friends with the guy. Later he comes clean to me and says that hes gay and thats why he was always weird.
He explained it as "i feel like im a woman in a mans body" or "my thoughts are 100% feminine". i was like how the fuck can u find a male body attractive when you are the male body? n he started bringin in abs n chest into the picture which sorta disgusted me. I researched it online and other gays stated the same thing that they feel that they are a woman in a mans body with feminine thoughts n shit. Who knows, he could have read that same link and adopted that description, but in the end i look beyond homosexuality now.

well, ive had close friends that were girls, then all of a sudden someone mentioned that i liked her (which i didnt at the time) then all of a sudden i did start liking her based on the power of suggestion, its hard to explain how it works. but basically he could have had 1 feminine thought, someone else could have said the whole girl in a mans body thing, then he starts being sub conscience about himself, doing it, etc....

 

[thatguy]

bottom line is gay people are gonna be gay , live together and do whatever, what the fuck difference does it make if they have some bullshit piece of paper that says there married and they pay a tax on it? Stopping them from getting "certified gay" doesnt mean there not gonna be gay

please read the thread before adding some redundant questions that have already been answered. basically in states where this has already been allowed, non homosexuals rights have been violated due to the effect. read what i quoted on the page before this. you ever heard the expression give them an inch and they take a mile. well thats what happened, and it will continue to happen until we start drawing lines.