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^ i fully understand where you are coming from, and i agree with you, when using the upgraded fuller definition of love that most people dont even know exist.

but in the end its the intent that matters, so do homosexual acts ever stem from the intent of love in its understood meaning?
 
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That actually depends on the culture. Many Ancient Greeks considered love between men as something higher than love between man and a woman. So it's entirely relative, which leads to my next point
This reminds me of the Japanese movie, Dead Or Alive: Final where one of the characters gives his opinion on heterosexual relationships as being tainted by the prospect of procreation, whereas homosexual relationships constitute true love because they are not adulterated in this way. Interesting perspective, to say the least.
 
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^ i fully understand where you are coming from, and i agree with you, when using the upgraded fuller definition of love that most people dont even know exist.

but in the end its the intent that matters, so do homosexual acts ever stem from the intent of love in its understood meaning?
I would argue that everything ultimately stems from the intent of love. That intent of love just gets filtered through the material nature and becomes perverted.
 

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This reminds me of the Japanese movie, Dead Or Alive: Final where one of the characters gives his opinion on heterosexual relationships as being tainted by the prospect of procreation, whereas homosexual relationships constitute true love because they are not adulterated in this way. Interesting perspective, to say the least.
That is not to say that it isn't clear which is the natural way of things if the goal is reproduction.

However, while we still chose partners based on our reproductive instincts, we are also a species for which sex is also a cultural and recreational thing, and this is where things become very subjective and relative
 

ThaG

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the short answer is: survival of the species

The long answer is that reproduction has no function, because nothing in biology has a function, contrary to the impression one will almost certainly get when reading the textbooks without thinking deeply about them. Reproduction is a lot more special in this regard though, because it is the best example for why nothing in biology has any function. Without reproduction there would be no organisms, no evolution, and no life. In other words, the existence of life is entirely dependent on it having the property of being able to reproduce itself. Which in turn means, that the appearance of reproduction made life possible, which tells us that reproduction does not have "the function of propagating the genes of the organism, the species, life in general, etc.", but rather that all of those are byproduct of the property of genomes to reproduce themselves

I hope I was clear enough
 
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ooo too bad so sad no marriage for youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Good thing gays already have COMPLETELY the same rights that everyone else has. That whole discrimination and fundamental rights blah blah blah bullshit made me angry
 
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ok, so what is the purpose of all of this complexity and spontaneous manifestations?

but even more than that.... what is the purpose of your life? why save humanity? why save the earth? why are your working hard to achieve anything?
Are you admitting that you are an idiot?
 

ThaG

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ok, so what is the purpose of all of this complexity and spontaneous manifestations?

but even more than that.... what is the purpose of your life? why save humanity? why save the earth? why are your working hard to achieve anything?
Are you admitting that you are an idiot?
I do not see the connection between me trying to achieve something and me being an idiot

Life has no purpose on its own, it is the phylogenetic instinct for survival (which is tightly couple with the reproduction property of living things) that makes me worry about the future

We are all tools for our genomes to make more copies of themselves and that's what everyone of use is trying to do, consciously or not. It is just that most of us try do make as many copies of their genes as possible in the short term while a very small number see the big picture and realize that if we were to do that, there will be no copies of our genes in the long term
 

ThaG

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seems like it will pass...

Ballot Measures
Measure
Status
Options
Vote
Vote %
Precincts
California Proposition 8:
Ban on Gay Marriage
x
California Proposition 8:
Ban on Gay Marriage
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4:39 a.m. EST, Nov 5 '08
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Yes

4,290,951
52%
No

3,970,222
48%
78% of precincts reporting
California Proposition 4:
Abortion Limits
x
California Proposition 4:
Abortion Limits
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No

4,203,254
53%
Yes

3,779,710
47%
77% of precincts reporting
 

ThaG

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it also passes in AZ:

Arizona
Measure
Status
Options
Vote
Vote %
Precincts
Arizona Proposition 102:
Ban on Gay Marriage
x
Arizona Proposition 102:
Ban on Gay Marriage
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Yes

1,037,257
56%
No

799,044
44%
and in AR:

Arkansas
Measure
Status
Options
Vote
Vote %
Precincts
Arkansas Initiative 1:
Ban on Gay Couples Adopting Children
x
Arkansas Initiative 1:
Ban on Gay Couples Adopting Children
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Yes

565,737
57%
No

428,003
43%
and FL:

Florida
Measure
Status
Options
Vote
Vote %
Precincts
Florida Amendment 2:
Ban on Gay Marriage
x
Florida Amendment 2:
Ban on Gay Marriage
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2:59 a.m. EST, Nov 5 '08
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Yes

4,657,031
62%
No

2,848,490
38%
On the positive side:

Washington
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Vote
Vote %
Precincts
Washington Initiative 1000:
Allow Doctor-Assisted Suicide
x
Washington Initiative 1000:
Allow Doctor-Assisted Suicide
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Yes

871,849
59%
No

612,210
41%
51% of precincts reporting
Michigan
Measure
Status
Options
Vote
Vote %
Precincts
Michigan Proposition 1:
Allow Medical Marijuana
x
Michigan Proposition 1:
Allow Medical Marijuana
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4:40 a.m. EST, Nov 5 '08
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Yes

2,930,419
63%
No

1,742,642
37%
98% of precincts reporting
Michigan Proposition 2:
Allow Stem Cell Research
x
Michigan Proposition 2:
Allow Stem Cell Research
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4:40 a.m. EST, Nov 5 '08
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Yes

2,456,523
53%
No

2,208,161
47%
Colorado Amendment 48:
Human Life from Moment of Conception
x
Colorado Amendment 48:
Human Life from Moment of Conception
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Updated 14 minutes ago
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No

1,427,337
73%
Yes

532,200
27%
 
Apr 8, 2005
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thats not what i was coming at. I am seeing if you limit homosexuality even tho it can exist as a form of love. Do you have anything against love?
In the end are you rejecting the content or the essence?
i have nothing wrong with homosexuals at all. nothing wrong with love. society just seems to go really overboard with giving groups of people new rights and what not. i dont wanna see homosexual marriage stem into homosexual classes being taught in school where my kids go. furthermore, homosexuality is counterproductive to the whole reason we are here in the first place. which is to reproduce. like i said, children need to be protected above all through this because like thaG said, what we are here for is to make copies. also i believe, we are here to try and make our copies better than ourselves, so they can push society further and what not.