No On 8 / No On Religion

[LA Dodgers]

BTW, am I the only one who thinks that there are much more important propositions to be discussed (and voted "yes") like 1A, 7 and 10?

1A. im sorry but i not for paying $40B to build a rail system, that will eventually cost the pax payers more money every year on top of the 40B to build (after interest from bond).........if there were a need for a High-Speed rail private industry already would have built one.

 

[JoMoDo]

anything that sets a precedent against discrimination is a 'thumbs up' in my book, even if it is contrary to my moral beliefs.

like Michael Franti says 'What goes on in your bedroom ain't no concern to me'

 

[ThaG]

It never seems to amaze me how HERESY manages to juggle with facts and logic, violating the principles of proper reasoning all the time, and in the same time thinking that he is actually right

 

[ThaG]

1A. im sorry but i not for paying $40B to build a rail system, that will eventually cost the pax payers more money every year on top of the 40B to build (after interest from bond).........if there were a need for a High-Speed rail private industry already would have built one.

Short-sightedness and stupidity to the fullest

When oil hits $500 a barrel, there will be a desperate need for railroad system. However, oil will hit $500 in a matter of months to one or two years, while the railroad system takes years to build.

There are several major projects that this country should start, beginning right now:

1. replace all energy producing capacity with renewables
2. replace (and expand) the whole grid with one that is suited to renewables
3. build an extensive railroad system and begin to phase out cars

If these do not happen, not too long from now, this country will be in very deep trouble, and people like you will wonder what went wrong (and they will not be able to answer the question, because they didn't listen when it was time to listen, choosing to care about their own pockets instead)

1A is a small step, but still a step in the right direction

 

[LA Dodgers]

anything that sets a precedent against discrimination is a 'thumbs up' in my book, even if it is contrary to my moral beliefs.

like Michael Franti says 'What goes on in your bedroom ain't no concern to me'

the problem is that it isnt going to stay in their bedrooms. its going to move into the schools (already has)

here is another example in which a 1st grade teacher took her entire class to watch her get married to another woman....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77734

 

[ThaG]

the problem is that it isnt going to stay in their bedrooms. its going to move into the schools (already has)

here is another example in which a 1st grade teacher took her entire class to watch her get married to another woman....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77734

So what?

What's wrong here is that the teacher took them to her wedding, not that the wedding was a lesbian one. Teachers should not waste their students' time by making them go to weddings.

 

[HERESY]

It never seems to amaze me how HERESY manages to juggle with facts and logic, violating the principles of proper reasoning all the time, and in the same time thinking that he is actually right

Says the guy who actually used 900 fallacies to present some non-existant point and hasn't made a substantial contribution to this thread. Remember, you're the guy who said we should be concerned about the majority but you obviously didn't consider the facts, and juggled logic smooth out the window where it came crashing down on the heads of those below. And if I'm violating proper reasoning, you need to tell me what the OP is doing.

As far as thinking I'm right, thats what YOU actually feel about my position. It's ok to be my fan, you can come out the closet I won't vote Yes.

 

[RobVan]

BTW, am I the only one who thinks that there are much more important propositions to be discussed (and voted "yes") like 1A, 7 and 10?

And that some idiots are wasting our time with non-issues?

Yeah,
Prop 4 affects families more than this shit. ANd the ones you pointed out are important

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

the problem is that it isnt going to stay in their bedrooms. its going to move into the schools (already has)

here is another example in which a 1st grade teacher took her entire class to watch her get married to another woman....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77734

LOL...so what? As if teaching children about homosexuality will magically make them gay.

Retarded.

 

[HERESY]

LOL...so what? As if teaching children about homosexuality will magically make them gay.

Retarded.

Sexual preference and private life should be kept out the classroom. Even in a learning environment pertaining to human sexuality there are limits and boundaries one should follow.

If the teacher took the kids to a church sermon, or the creationalist museum would you still say the same thing?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Sexual preference and private life should be kept out the classroom. Even in a learning environment pertaining to human sexuality there are limits and boundaries one should follow.

If the teacher took the kids to a church sermon, or the creationalist museum would you still say the same thing?

Taking any children from school to a church for any reason is wrong in my book.

I was referring to the reasoning behind the teaching, not where it happened. Many people on this board have used the line "i dont want my kids learning gay sex in sex ed class"...becuase they feel the exposure to "alternate lifestyle" will make their kids gay or something. That is retarded logic, period.

 

[HERESY]

Taking any children from school to a church for any reason is wrong in my book.

I was referring to the reasoning behind the teaching, not where it happened. Many people on this board have used the line "i dont want my kids learning gay sex in sex ed class"...becuase they feel the exposure to "alternate lifestyle" will make their kids gay or something. That is retarded logic, period.

If it were my kid (s) I wouldn't even let them go to the wedding. WTF do first graders know about a wedding? I also wouldn't want them going to some church where they have miracle manna or some strange doctrine going on, but I feel you. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with sex education (even when it encompasses alternative lifestyles), but what I do have a problem with is how some people involved with sex education promote the alternative lifestyle.

 

[LA Dodgers]

LOL...so what? As if teaching children about homosexuality will magically make them gay.

Retarded.

hey, if you want to teach YOUR kids about homosexuality go ahead.......just leave mine out of it.....i prefer they dont learn about those kind of things at the age of 6

 

[Foul Mouth]

Heresy:


the kkk reference is for the obvious bigotry.im sorry i didnt produce a poll to support my oppinion...............doesnt make sence tho huh? ok..........


your obviously not gonna get the religion argument so we'll leave it at that............

 

[HERESY]

Heresy:


the kkk reference is for the obvious bigotry.im sorry i didnt produce a poll to support my oppinion...............doesnt make sence tho huh? ok..........


your obviously not gonna get the religion argument so we'll leave it at that............

I "get" your argument, it simply doesn't make sense when one looks objectively or from an unbiased opinion. However, you are entitled to your views, I'm NOT trying to change or convert anyone so we can leave it at that. No harm done.

 

[RobVan]

If it were my kid (s) I wouldn't even let them go to the wedding. WTF do first graders know about a wedding? I also wouldn't want them going to some church where they have miracle manna or some strange doctrine going on, but I feel you. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with sex education (even when it encompasses alternative lifestyles), but what I do have a problem with is how some people involved with sex education promote the alternative lifestyle.

I think the majority of people can't be swayed to attraction.

 

[HERESY]

I think the majority of people can't be swayed to attraction.

Nothing in my post has anything to do with attraction.

 

[ThaG]

1A. im sorry but i not for paying $40B to build a rail system, that will eventually cost the pax payers more money every year on top of the 40B to build (after interest from bond).........if there were a need for a High-Speed rail private industry already would have built one.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/47067

Peak oil survival; choosing reality or illusion
by Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D.

I observed much about Peak Oil while traveling in Spain for the month of October, mostly driving: Madrid, Alicante, Granada, Cordoba, Sevilla, Merida, Barcelona, Aranjuez, and Segovia. I talked with taxi drivers, hotel workers and owners, shop workers and owners, tourists from all over the world, and a business owner relative who knows the economy of Spain, Europe, and the world well. I learned much as I traveled, including much reading of the "International Herald Tribune," "El Pais," "Times of London," "Finacial Times," and the "Wall Street Journal," as well as viewing CNBC, CNN, and the local TV news.

Building construction in Spain has almost ceased and construction cranes stand idle. Capital is scarce. No amount of government priming will change that. Few new solar panels and wind turbines will be added to the thousands in use. Commercial centers, factories, and offices are all slowing down and many will close in the months ahead. Spain will soon have spare electric power. The large number of tourists on the streets is a hold over from the pre-recession economy. Tourism is declining rapidly. This is like much of Europe and the U.S.

Global oil production has been plateaued since early 2005. So, the oil flow rate has been much the same, but now more oil is consumed by China, India, and the oil producing nations. Europe, the U.S., Japan, Australia, etc. are consuming less. Peak Oil is here, regardless of the most recent U.S. Energy Information Agency data which show some possible recent minor increase. When oil production is the same after 4 years of trying hard to increase it, we are at Peak Oil.

Very soon oil production will begin to decline, probably about right now (2012 at the latest, according to independent studies). Unless they are transported to the Middle East, China, or India, those idled construction cranes in the U.S. and Europe will remain idle.

Despite a media clamor in Spain for more wind and solar investment, it won't happen. Soon all of the capital will go to subsidizing unemployment (currently at about 15% and rising rapidly) and to public works in order to employ people. The manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines produces few jobs. As soon as oil production begins to decline, global recession with devastate the global economy and capital and government revenues will evaporate.

We need to examine solar and wind power. But no one has a real plan on how solar/wind will power tractors and combines, transport food and goods, or fertilize crops. Showing a photo of an electric powered tractor, truck, or train or saying we can do it is not a plan. What would the infrastructure for the electric economy look like? Where would the trillions of Euros in capital come from? How can governments pay for it when people are out of work and governments have little revenue? Where will the oil come from to manufacture, transport, and maintain the electric economy? Where will people get the money to buy electric vehicles when they are out of work and have little trade in value on their gasoline/diesel powered cars?

How can we maintain the power grid without diesel for trucks? When the highways fail from a lack of maintenance, there won't be replacement parts for the power grid, wind turbines, and solar panels. As I cruised the highways I saw some huge transformers and gigantic wind turbine blades being transported by trucks. Everything depends on trucks moving on the highways. Most food, goods, and people in Europe move by trucks, not trains. But like the construction cranes, those trucks will one day be idle -- and there goes food distribution, the power grid and everything. Without electric power, almost nothing mechanical or modern functions -- lights, sanitation, water purification and distribution, refrigeration, heating and air conditioning, pumping of diesel and gasoline, building systems, elevators, communications, emergency services, etc. Without the power grid, wind turbines and solar panels are mostly useless. In the future, wind turbines and solar panels will sit idle, monuments to misdirected policies that wasted fossil energy to manufacture, transport and maintain devices to produce electric power, when we need liquid fuels. The same can be said for nuclear power.

Shall we plan and prepare for the real future: a world without oil and without electric power. Or, shall we continue to avoid reality, dream about what will never happen, and waste time, effort, and capital on illusions?

 

[SFC I-Side]

Im really try to make this my last post. I am not a religious person but I was brought up in the church.
To compare discrimination of homosexuals and race in the same sentence is complete bullshit, one pertains to choice one doesnt. and race and sexual persuasion are uncomparable things.
I dont know if there is a gay gene or peopel choose but,

They deserve absolutely no special rights to justify or try to glorify there lifestyle. A person has every right to discriminate agaisnt a persons sexuality.
Homos should be able to live with there decesion in peace, they should not be rewarded and uplifted by society. I think alot of people turn to homosexuality because of depression, confusion, sexual awkwardness, childhood molestation, and other reasons dealing with the mental state. To say homosexuality is ok, is to unreasonably justify it. I got no gay friends, dont know any gay people, kinda stay away from em, but i think hella dudes are gay cuz people tell em its ok to be gay.
Kinda long but fags piss me off, especially cuz there good at politics for some reason

 

[ThaG]

Im really try to make this my last post. I am not a religious person but I was brought up in the church.
To compare discrimination of homosexuals and race in the same sentence is complete bullshit, one pertains to choice one doesnt. and race and sexual persuasion are uncomparable things.
I dont know if there is a gay gene or peopel choose but,

They deserve absolutely no special rights to justify or try to glorify there lifestyle. A person has every right to discriminate agaisnt a persons sexuality.
Homos should be able to live with there decesion in peace, they should not be rewarded and uplifted by society. I think alot of people turn to homosexuality because of depression, confusion, sexual awkwardness, childhood molestation, and other reasons dealing with the mental state. To say homosexuality is ok, is to unreasonably justify it. I got no gay friends, dont know any gay people, kinda stay away from em, but i think hella dudes are gay cuz people tell em its ok to be gay.
Kinda long but fags piss me off, especially cuz there good at politics for some reason

OK, but can you tell me why we should treat marriage, which is in reality nothing more than a signature with a lot of legal problems following from it, as restricted to male-female couples only? What's the reasoning here?