DONT HATE ME CUZ IM WHITE!!!

[already dead.]

Re: Okay

Blacks Being Self-Segregated
True, there are a lot of black-based organizations, clubs, groups, etc, etc, etc. I'm sure you would not be denied membership to any of these things if you wanted to join & were not black.

Also unlike joining a white club, your ass would get stared, threatened, and harassed the fuck out. lmao.

Unlike years ago when a black person better not even think about joining a 'white' club. I don't believe that the purpose of these groups is to completely segregate the black population. I think their purpose is more to create some type of unity in a country where the rate of black on black hate, envy, and crime is off the charts. These groups offer blacks an opportunity to create and share positive experiences in a positive, accepting, and nurturing environment. I think it's very important to have these black-based clubs. We need to form some type of unity so that we can look at ourselves & see exactly what needs to be done from within. I'm not saying that black people don't need white people's help. I'm just saying that we need some type of union here, people.

There needs to be more unity among African-Americans. But...much of it does already exist. The phenomenon I mentioned earlier, the fear of being labeled white-washed, is partly due to the collective mentality in the Black race.

Support unity, support Black groups, but also, support Black individualism. Many times you will hear "as a Black man," "as a Black woman", more often than "as a man" "as myself" "as an American" etc. The hive mind approach is more of a limit than a gain, as it creates a theory of who is the "blackest", and forces others to aspire to it.

Check out On Being Black and Feeling Guilty. Discussed is the growing Black middle class. Many of the people who struggled, strived, and achieved to reach financial success are often stripped of their blackness for various reasons. Either they catered to the white man and were whitewashed, they are somehow guilty of not pulling other black people up with them, or they must have fucked some black people over to get where they are today.

And the sellout/whitewashed label is flung around often and quickly in the black community, doing a large amount of psychological damage. The effect of any group is to see the mean of its parts as the norm. Many black people are poor, so the blackest black person must be poor. Many black people vote Democrat, so the blackest black person votes Democrat. Many black people listen to certain types of music, so other types are not acceptable. The list goes on.

And the effect on racial tension is to continue a rift between black and white people. In a recent study done, it was shown that black people can evoke feelings of fear, nervousness, and anxiousness in white people, just as white people can evoke hostility, insecurity, and vulnerability in blacks, just on virtue of seeing skin.

This no doubt has to do with lack of exposure, and I don't see how any person so self-segregated makes any leaps forward in racial relations.

 

[Locahontas]

True, you might be looked at funny because you wanted to join a black club. Just like I would be looked at funny if I decided to join the KKK. But I'm saying, I'm pretty sure you would not be denied membership. Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote, but are you saying that a black person would not be looked at funny for joining a white club?

 

[Locahontas]

As far as someone referring to him/herself as a "Black Man/Woman" instead of just a man/woman...by identifying as being "Black" adds more variables to the point they are trying to make. The struggles/obstacles I face being a "Woman" are similar and different to the struggles/obstacles I face being a "Black Woman." There are situations where I have to overcome those who want to 'look down' on me simply for being a woman. But being a black woman just means I have an extra hurdle to jump. And damn it, my ass is a jumping jack cuzz I refuse to let either label (black or woman) keep me from achieving my goals and falling into someone else's stereotype. I have kids to take care of. No time to worry about what the next MAN, white or black has to say about it.

Whoa...where did that come from? =)

 

[Dr. Curien]

Blacks on Cops, this reason is because the police hate people there is usally Black people and white trash on cops and White people do their drug buisness way different then blacks. Crack is a drug that is a dirty drug and is found everywhere so its going to be easy for them to get busted and since crack is predominatly a Black drug as to Coke being a predominatly white drug, and there is so much of it of course people are going to get busted. Acid is made by chemists in lab while crack can be made in the home with very little chemicals. Meth is a drug that can be made two ways the cheap easy way(More prone to death) and the cleaner Labratory way(Death stil occurs but not as much) Why dont blacks get busted with CID? Some do but more whites have it then blacks. Just like crack is more in a ghetto then acid, so there has to be a corelation between the Ghetto and Crack. Thats not saying crack isnt in white neighborhoods but its more in Ghettos. This is only the beginning.

And it doesnt matter who introduced it (the Government) You still allowed in to the community. Once again blame the Government not the white people.

Already Dead- I think you dont know about life, you speak on Black unity but your not black WTF?. Just be quiet because your a sell out aryan piece of shit. I dont accept you because you were going to join aryans and now you diss white people and your white. Your confused. Your selling out your heritage, in any race your looked at as a traitor. Whatever good luck in life. If there should be any unity it should be between All races against the Power hungry evil people in the world.

IAM NOT RACIST BUT IF YOU THINK IAM FUCK YOU.

Epidemic

 

[Locahontas]

Dude...did I say "white people introduced drugs into the black community"? No, I WAS referring to the government. But who was the government primarily made up of? Okay.

If there should be any unity it should be between All races

I totally agree. I'm just saying that a race of people can not unite with anyone else unless they can first find unity among themselves.

 

[EDJ]

DAMN,
ARE MY EYES DECEIVIN' ME OR DID EPIDEMIC JUST PULLED ALREADY DEAD'S CARD?

 

[Locahontas]

swear...I thought you hacked his account or somethin!

 

[Dr. Curien]

Okay Loc Its not about color its about power thats what Iam trying to show you. Color is least bit of a concern to the rich and powerful. You either have money or you dont. And people treat you like that.

Epidemic

 

[Locahontas]

^^^I feel it's a bit of both. But I still feel color is #1. My personal opinion...

 

[EDJ]

LOL@LOCAHONTAS. YEAH, I'M THAT COMPUTER WIZ, WATCH YOUR HARD DRIVE.

 

[Dr. Curien]

@ loc I see what your saying dont get me wrong but I guess my envy is more geared towards police and officals. Because the police and judges did far worse shit then did anyone that I have ever met. Even the person who shot me didnt do as much damage as the police and judges did.

Epidemic

 

[already dead.]

He ain't pulled shit. Epidemic is nothing more than a garbage-spewing, rambling little kid who gets butt hurt over every little topic. EDJ, you suffer from tunnel vision. Your judgement of me or belief as to my motives or character are secondary to any logical discussion.

The "discredit the speaker" tactic works in politics, but in the realm of thought progression and discussion, has little or no value. You can sit around and repeat some shit I said like a parrot, or you can look towards what people are trying to do here, which is have a discussion and present points. THis kind of "personalizing" is something you have done in almost every single thread, changing tht topic around to some sort of "well you a poopoo head" "well you an idiot". The scope is now on me, so go ahead E, make 15 other posts about how I am unqualified to speak.

Basically, you can't get over one comment I said, and because of your constant rehashing, Epidemic, who has logical abilities dwarfed by some kindergarteners, has now "learned" from you relevant "facts" about me. The sad part of the whole situation is, you would censor 3 quarters of this board in the name of a "right to speak". This is the gathering of minds, not the gathering of those EDJ deems acceptable.

Already Dead- I think you dont know about life, you speak on Black unity but your not black WTF?. Just be quiet because your a sell out aryan piece of shit.

So no one can speak on anything they're not personally involved in...I see. Why you posting on the internet man? Do you know the mechanics of HTML, PHP, and Java? Why you rappin? You haven't been musically trained. Etc., etc. I'm not gonna go down a list of reasons why I am or am not qualified to discuss a specific topic. Attack me on my points. You don't think there is a collective black identity? I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why.

I dont accept you because you were going to join aryans and now you diss white people and your white. Your confused. Your selling out your heritage, in any race your looked at as a traitor. Whatever good luck in life. If there should be any unity it should be between All races against the Power hungry evil people in the world.
Epidemic

Being White is something I feel strongly about. Using "whiteboy" as an adjective refers to a state of being disconnected specifically from minority culture. Even then, I don't use white-specific terms that much. Search my posts for a time in which I directly talked shit on all white people. As for the "aryans" issue, actions speak louder than words. And for all the completely idiotic things you have said, anyone on this board has enough ammo to blast you off into space.

 

[EDJ]

ALREADY DEAD,
YOU WOULD BE AN O.K MUTHA-FUKA AND EVEN A COO' WHITE PERSON I WOULD DEAL WITH IN LIFE, BUT THAT INSTANCE WHICH BROUgHT THE REAL YOU FUCCED ALL THAT OFF. YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT ALL THE TOPICS THAT RELATE TO THE BLAK, NUBIAN, AFRICAN, PAN-AFRICAN, URBAN, MINORITIES, MEXICAN, CHICANOS, LATINOS, HISPANICS, ETC....., EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THE AVERAgE MAN KNOWS, BUT YOUR HEART SAID OTHAWISE. YOU CAN HAVE A NUBIAN QUEEN AT YOUR SIDE AND DIg FOR AS FAR AS YOU CAN IN THAT SWEET BLAK PUSSY, BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOU WOULD SIDE WHEN PUT UNDA THE gUN WITH AN ORgANIZATION THAT IS AgAINST ALL THAT YOU BELIEVE, KNOW, AND LOVE. SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU CUZZ? THAT LITTLE SHIT IS BIggA THAN YOU'LL EVA KNOW. BUT LET ME BREAKDOWN YOUR RESPONSE AND COMMENTS SO YOU WON'T SAY I DIDN'T ANSWER EVERY ENQUIRY.

YOU STRESSED, "He ain't pulled shit."

COULD OF FOOLED ME.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Epidemic is nothing more than a garbage-spewing, rambling little kid who gets butt hurt over every little topic."

I THINK HE'S MORE THAN THAT, SO WHY YOU TRYIN' TO CONVINCE ME OF SOMETHIN' I'M ALREADY KNOWIN'?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ, you suffer from tunnel vision."

DO I? HOW'S THAT? BREAK IT ON DOWN PLAYA.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Your judgement of me or belief as to my motives or character are secondary to any logical discussion."

ARE THEY? INITIALLY AND INTEgRILY YOU CAME UP WITH THE DECISION THAT YOU WOULD JOIN THE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD IF YOU WERE TO EVA BE LOCCED UP CAUSE YOU WERE SCARED AND FELT LIKE THAT WAS YOUR PROTECTION. THAT DID NOT MAKE SENSE(THE WORD LOgIC OR LOgICAL CAN BE USED IN THIS INSTANCE) TO ME CAUSE YOU'RE 1/8 MEXICAN AND WAS RAISED AROUND A PREDOMINANT BLAK AND URBAN SETTIN', PLUS YOU HAVE A BLAK gIRLFRIEND. THAT WAS YOUR INITIAL REACTION AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT SHIT BAK. THAT LET ME KNOW THAT YOU AIN'T WORTHY OF DISCUSSIN' TOPICS THAT INVOLVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD OF SOLD-OUT, OR BEIN' WITH THE QUEEN YOU gOT NOW.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The "discredit the speaker" tactic works in politics, but in the realm of thought progression and discussion, has little or no value."

IN THE REALM OF THOUgHT PROgRESSION AND DISCUSSION, YOU CAN SWITCH UP TOO, HUH? CHANgIN' YOUR THOUgHTS IS NOT PROgRESSIN'. BUT YOU DISCREDITED YOURSELF WITH YOUR INITIAL REACTION. YOU ACT LIKE YOU RUNNIN' FOR OFFICE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, ". You can sit around and repeat some shit I said like a parrot, or you can look towards what people are trying to do here, which is have a discussion and present points."

YOUR INTEgRITY AND THE POINTS YOU'RE MAKIN' ARE IN QUESTION.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "THis kind of "personalizing" is something you have done in almost every single thread, changing tht topic around to some sort of "well you a poopoo head" "well you an idiot"."

OH, SO I CALLED YOU OUT YOUR NAME NOW? WHAT I AM gUILTY OF IS LETTIN' WHOEVA READIN' YOUR POINT MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. YOU SPIT A gOOD gAME, BUT IF PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HEAD THOSE THOUgHTS ARE COMIN' OUT OF THEN THEY'LL SEE CLEARER.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The scope is now on me, so go ahead E, make 15 other posts about how I am unqualified to speak."

I DON'T CONCENTRATE ABOUT MAKIN' POSTS ABOUT YOU BECAUSE I'M NOT INTRIgUED OR INFATUATED WITH YOU. I HAVE NO FUNK, OTHA THAN YOUR INITIAL REACTION. REgARDLESS, I WILL STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND QUESTION YOUR MOTIVES WHENEVA YOU TRY TO SPEAK UP ON THE BLAK RACE AND THE PREDOMINANT BLAK COMMUNITY, LIKE YOU HAVE SOME INSIgHT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Basically, you can't get over one comment I said, and because of your constant rehashing, Epidemic, who has logical abilities dwarfed by some kindergarteners, has now "learned" from you relevant "facts" about me."

HELL NAW I CAN'T gET OVER IT AND NEVA WILL. YOU JUST CAN'T SWEEP SHIT LIKE THAT UNDA THE RUg. THAT SHIT IS SERIOUS AND TO YOU IT MIgHT NOT MEAN SHIT, BUT TO ME THAT UNCOVERED A WHOLE NEW WORLD. THAT SHIT IS AS WORSE OR WORSER AS WHEN SOMEBODY LISTENS TO PREDOMINANT NUBIAN CULTURED MUSIC, BUT STILL HAS THE AUDACITY TO BE PREJUDICE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The sad part of the whole situation is, you would censor 3 quarters of this board in the name of a "right to speak"."

IS THAT RIgHT? ELABORATE AND gIVE EXAMPLES.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This is the gathering of minds, not the gathering of those EDJ deems acceptable."

I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WASN'T NO gATHERIN' OF MINDS AND ROLOC gOT THE IDEA CAUSE I CAME AND TALKED ABOUT DEEP SHIT ON THE MAIN FORUMS. I USED TO HAVE EVERYBODY AND THEY MAMA THINKIN'. SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT AS YOU WANT BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M A STRUCTURE IN THIS BITCH THAT AIN'T gONNA LET THIS MUSIC OR PEOPLE THAT ASSOCIATE WITH IT HAVE A PREDOMINANT WHITE SUPREMIST VIEW.

EITHA RESPECT THIS MUSIC AND THE CULTURE OR MOVE ON. YOU DISRESPECTED.

 

[already dead.]

ALREADY DEAD,
YOU WOULD BE AN O.K MUTHA-FUKA AND EVEN A COO' WHITE PERSON I WOULD DEAL WITH IN LIFE, BUT THAT INSTANCE WHICH BROUgHT THE REAL YOU FUCCED ALL THAT OFF. YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT ALL THE TOPICS THAT RELATE TO THE BLAK, NUBIAN, AFRICAN, PAN-AFRICAN, URBAN, MINORITIES, MEXICAN, CHICANOS, LATINOS, HISPANICS, ETC....., EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THE AVERAgE MAN KNOWS, BUT YOUR HEART SAID OTHAWISE. YOU CAN HAVE A NUBIAN QUEEN AT YOUR SIDE AND DIg FOR AS FAR AS YOU CAN IN THAT SWEET BLAK PUSSY,

Was that a dick reference? lmfao

BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT YOU WOULD SIDE WHEN PUT UNDA THE gUN WITH AN ORgANIZATION THAT IS AgAINST ALL THAT YOU BELIEVE, KNOW, AND LOVE.

Once again, I said I considered it, I never said it was a sure thing. As a matter of fact I said now I wouldn't, but that ain't shit that matters. Don't matter though whatever I did say I considered it *makes whoop di doo motion with hand*...

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Epidemic is nothing more than a garbage-spewing, rambling little kid who gets butt hurt over every little topic."

I THINK HE'S MORE THAN THAT, SO WHY YOU TRYIN' TO CONVINCE ME OF SOMETHIN' I'M ALREADY KNOWIN'?

I was actually pullin a EDJ with the attempted character assassination. My bad for getting pulled down to that level.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "EDJ, you suffer from tunnel vision."

DO I? HOW'S THAT? BREAK IT ON DOWN PLAYA.

Can't get over shit...makes too big an issue out of everything...sees what you wanna see...do I need to go on?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Your judgement of me or belief as to my motives or character are secondary to any logical discussion."

ARE THEY? INITIALLY AND INTEgRILY YOU CAME UP WITH THE DECISION THAT YOU WOULD JOIN THE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD IF YOU WERE TO EVA BE LOCCED UP CAUSE YOU WERE SCARED AND FELT LIKE THAT WAS YOUR PROTECTION. THAT DID NOT MAKE SENSE(THE WORD LOgIC OR LOgICAL CAN BE USED IN THIS INSTANCE) TO ME CAUSE YOU'RE 1/8 MEXICAN

One half.

AND WAS RAISED AROUND A PREDOMINANT BLAK AND URBAN SETTIN', PLUS YOU HAVE A BLAK gIRLFRIEND. THAT WAS YOUR INITIAL REACTION AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT SHIT BAK.

See I didn't see it as some Adolf Hitler shit like you do. Maybe cause I only been to county once, but from what I heard that's what you needed to do.

THAT LET ME KNOW THAT YOU AIN'T WORTHY OF DISCUSSIN' TOPICS THAT INVOLVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD OF SOLD-OUT, OR BEIN' WITH THE QUEEN YOU gOT NOW.

Maybe she is with me because she has the ability to get past shit, something you lack. She (and I) gets shit on a daily basis...How you gonna tell me I'm not worthy of her? Is she your personal posession? She don't know you. What she is worthy of is not for you to judge.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The "discredit the speaker" tactic works in politics, but in the realm of thought progression and discussion, has little or no value."

IN THE REALM OF THOUgHT PROgRESSION AND DISCUSSION, YOU CAN SWITCH UP TOO, HUH? CHANgIN' YOUR THOUgHTS IS NOT PROgRESSIN'. BUT YOU DISCREDITED YOURSELF WITH YOUR INITIAL REACTION. YOU ACT LIKE YOU RUNNIN' FOR OFFICE.

Damn...E that was probly the most stupid comment I've ever heard from a human being. The definition of learning is "changing your thoughts". It's just like this shit Xiane is talkin bout bein a playa. Instilled values and ideas aren't necessarily the best.

You may have learned that sellin dope and beatin on your wife is the best way to live your life. But what you do is 'change your thoughts' and do otherwise. See I don't step up to the plate thinkin I know everything. That's the definition of an idiot. If you debate and debate and never change your mind about anything, than you're just in love with the sound of your own voice. The whole point of this shit is for people's opinions to be changed.

THEN YOU STRESSED, ". You can sit around and repeat some shit I said like a parrot, or you can look towards what people are trying to do here, which is have a discussion and present points."

YOUR INTEgRITY AND THE POINTS YOU'RE MAKIN' ARE IN QUESTION.

Integrity my ass. You talk about bein progressive as far as racial issues go - how many good white friends do you have? Not just the type you see once in a while, actual good friends? Cause I could make a safe bet I probly spend alot more time with black people than you do with white people. And I don't have this big notion of myself that says I know everything and no one is ever gonna change my mind...that's just ignorance.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "THis kind of "personalizing" is something you have done in almost every single thread, changing tht topic around to some sort of "well you a poopoo head" "well you an idiot"."

OH, SO I CALLED YOU OUT YOUR NAME NOW? WHAT I AM gUILTY OF IS LETTIN' WHOEVA READIN' YOUR POINT MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. YOU SPIT A gOOD gAME, BUT IF PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HEAD THOSE THOUgHTS ARE COMIN' OUT OF THEN THEY'LL SEE CLEARER.

If people realized how fuckin stubborn and illogical you are, they make take the same view on you. But I'm not all up in your shit tryin to discredit you. That's not my style.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The scope is now on me, so go ahead E, make 15 other posts about how I am unqualified to speak."

I DON'T CONCENTRATE ABOUT MAKIN' POSTS ABOUT YOU BECAUSE I'M NOT INTRIgUED OR INFATUATED WITH YOU. I HAVE NO FUNK, OTHA THAN YOUR INITIAL REACTION. REgARDLESS, I WILL STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND QUESTION YOUR MOTIVES WHENEVA YOU TRY TO SPEAK UP ON THE BLAK RACE AND THE PREDOMINANT BLAK COMMUNITY, LIKE YOU HAVE SOME INSIgHT.

Oh that's right, because you gotta be gay to point out a faggot right? You gotta be a cripple to make a wheelchair, and you gotta shoot somebody to write a book about war.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Basically, you can't get over one comment I said, and because of your constant rehashing, Epidemic, who has logical abilities dwarfed by some kindergarteners, has now "learned" from you relevant "facts" about me."

HELL NAW I CAN'T gET OVER IT AND NEVA WILL. YOU JUST CAN'T SWEEP SHIT LIKE THAT UNDA THE RUg. THAT SHIT IS SERIOUS AND TO YOU IT MIgHT NOT MEAN SHIT, BUT TO ME THAT UNCOVERED A WHOLE NEW WORLD. THAT SHIT IS AS WORSE OR WORSER AS WHEN SOMEBODY LISTENS TO PREDOMINANT NUBIAN CULTURED MUSIC, BUT STILL HAS THE AUDACITY TO BE PREJUDICE.

We're at an impasse then. It's all good tho E cause you already know everything so what could you learn from some shit I say?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The sad part of the whole situation is, you would censor 3 quarters of this board in the name of a "right to speak"."

IS THAT RIgHT? ELABORATE AND gIVE EXAMPLES.

Nitro, Mclean, all the white mothafuckas, all the conservatives, whatever.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This is the gathering of minds, not the gathering of those EDJ deems acceptable."

I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WASN'T NO gATHERIN' OF MINDS AND ROLOC gOT THE IDEA CAUSE I CAME AND TALKED ABOUT DEEP SHIT ON THE MAIN FORUMS. I USED TO HAVE EVERYBODY AND THEY MAMA THINKIN'. SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT AS YOU WANT BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M A STRUCTURE IN THIS BITCH THAT AIN'T gONNA LET THIS MUSIC OR PEOPLE THAT ASSOCIATE WITH IT HAVE A PREDOMINANT WHITE SUPREMIST VIEW.

Predominant white supremacist get the fuck out with that bullshit. Haha. Damn EDJ you wrote the book on life. Maybe in the next 3 lifetimes I may one day reach your ability to understand people and issues, while at the same time "not changing any of your opinions". You musta been a born genius.

 

[EDJ]

ALREADY DEAD,
YOU STRESSED, "Was that a dick reference? lmfao"

MAN, NOBODY TALKIN' BOUT YOUR DIK. YOU MUST BE A FAg THINKIN' I'M WORRIED ABOUT YOUR DIK. PERCEIVE IT LIKE YOU WANT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Once again, I said I considered it, I never said it was a sure thing. As a matter of fact I said now I wouldn't, but that ain't shit that matters. Don't matter though whatever I did say I considered it *makes whoop di doo motion with hand*..."

AND THAT'S THE THANg. FOR AS MUCH KNOWLEDgE AND UPBRINgIN', AND BLAK PUSSY YOU HAVE/HAD, YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CONSIDER IT AND THEN NOT THINK NOTHIN' OF IT. DON'T YOU ATLEAST FEEL gUILTY WHEN YOU LOOKIN' AT YOUR gIRLS BLAK FACE AND HER EBONY SKIN KNOWIN' YOU CONSIDER BETRAYIN' HER?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I was actually pullin a EDJ with the attempted character assassination. My bad for getting pulled down to that level."

OH, SO YOU PERCEIVIN' ME NOW? I'M BELOW YOU NOW?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Can't get over shit...makes too big an issue out of everything...sees what you wanna see...do I need to go on?"

IF YOU WANT WITH YOUR PERCEPTIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "See I didn't see it as some Adolf Hitler shit like you do. Maybe cause I only been to county once, but from what I heard that's what you needed to do."

FUK WHAT YOU HEARD. OUT OF ALL THEM BOOKS YOU WROTE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDgE TO DECIPHER? SEE, THAT'S WHY I SAY LIFE AND EXPERIENCE IS A BIggA TEACHER, CAUSE YOU CAN'T EVA FIT THESE SHOES, PATNA. YOU CAN READ ALL THE BOOKS ON BLAK PEOPLE BUT YOU WILL NEVA KNOW.......

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Maybe she is with me because she has the ability to get past shit, something you lack. She (and I) gets shit on a daily basis...How you gonna tell me I'm not worthy of her? Is she your personal posession? She don't know you. What she is worthy of is not for you to judge."

I KNOW SHE A SISTA AND HAVIN' THAT BAKgROUND WE HAVE SOMETHIN' IN COMMON. AND I AM CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF SISTA SHE IS, FUCCIN' WITH YOUR ASS. YOU EVA SHOW HER THESE POSTS?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Damn...E that was probly the most stupid comment I've ever heard from a human being. The definition of learning is "changing your thoughts". It's just like this shit Xiane is talkin bout bein a playa. Instilled values and ideas aren't necessarily the best."

WHAT INSTILLED VALUES AND IDEAS? BUT WHAT SO STUPID ABOUT WHAT I STRESSED? YOU TALKIN' BOUT CHANgIN' PEOPLES MINDS AND I'M TALKIN' BOUT STAYIN' TRUE TO YOURSELF AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE. BEIN' CONVINCED OF YOUR OWN CONVICTIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You may have learned that sellin dope and beatin on your wife is the best way to live your life. But what you do is 'change your thoughts' and do otherwise. See I don't step up to the plate thinkin I know everything. That's the definition of an idiot. If you debate and debate and never change your mind about anything, than you're just in love with the sound of your own voice. The whole point of this shit is for people's opinions to be changed."

WHO SAID I BEAT ON WOMEN? WHY MAKE THAT ASSIMILATION? BUT IF YOU CHANgE YOUR OPINIONS THAN YOU REALLY DON'T BELIEVE IN N-E-THANg. I UNDA-STAND IN ERRONEOUSLY BELIEVIN' SOMETHIN' TO BE RIgHT AND THEN LIFE TEACHIN' YOU OTHA-WISE. BUT IN YOUR INSTANCE, YOU ALREADY IN THE HOMEBASE BUT YOU REVERTIN' TO 3RD BASE. YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT BLAK TOPICS, BUT THAT AIN'T SHIT WHEN YOU WANNA gO TO BEIN' AN ARYAN BROTHERHOOD MUTHA-FUKA. THAT JUST MAKES YOU A MORE DANgEROUS WEAPON AgAINST BLAKFOLK. CAUSE YOU AIN'T IgNORANT AND RACIST, BUT YOU USE YOUR KNOWLEDgE TO gO AgAINST BLAK FOLK AND AID THE RACIST.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Integrity my ass. You talk about bein progressive as far as racial issues go - how many good white friends do you have? Not just the type you see once in a while, actual good friends? Cause I could make a safe bet I probly spend alot more time with black people than you do with white people. And I don't have this big notion of myself that says I know everything and no one is ever gonna change my mind...that's just ignorance."

I NEVA SAID I KNEW IT ALL, CAUSE I DON'T. BUT I KNOW ENOUgH TO DECIPHER SHIT, OCCURENCES, AND SITUATIONS. I'VE BEEN THRU TOO MUCH TO ACT LIKE I HAVEN'T. AND THE WHITE FRIENDS I gOT.....LET ME SEE......A FEW ACQUAINTANCES. AND YOU RIgHT, YOU PROBABLY KNOW MORE BLAK PEOPLE OR HAVE BLAK FRIENDS THAN I DO WHITE. BUT THEN AgAIN I'M ON THE SICCNESS AND THIS IS THE MOST I HOLLARED AT N-E-BODY WHITE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If people realized how fuckin stubborn and illogical you are, they make take the same view on you. But I'm not all up in your shit tryin to discredit you. That's not my style."

OH, SO ADD ON TO YOUR PERCEPTIONS. I'M STUBBORN AND ILLOgICAL TOO. SO WHAT IS ILLOgICAL? AND YOU CAN TRY TO DISCREDIT ME. HOW YOU gONNA DO THAT? WHAT IS YOUR STYLE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Oh that's right, because you gotta be gay to point out a faggot right? You gotta be a cripple to make a wheelchair, and you gotta shoot somebody to write a book about war."

NOT NECESSARILY. BUT YOUR VIEWPOINT WON'T BE THE SAME. YOU'LL BE AN OUTSIDER LOOKIN' IN AND IN INSTANCES MIgHT NOT COMPREHEND THE NATURE OF A THANg OR SITUATION.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "We're at an impasse then. It's all good tho E cause you already know everything so what could you learn from some shit I say?"

WHO SAID I KNEW EVERYTHANg?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Nitro, Mclean, all the white mothafuckas, all the conservatives, whatever."

NITRO HAS A BLAK gIRLFRIEND LIKE YOU, MCLEANHATCH AIN'T EVEN WHITE. SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT ON PUTTIN' SOMEBODY'S NAME IN YOUR MOUTH? YOU SHOULD OF JUST SAID CONSERVATIVE FOO'S OR EXTRA-PATRIOTIC MUTHA-FUKAS. I WOULD OF gOT YOUR POINT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Predominant white supremacist get the fuck out with that bullshit. Haha. Damn EDJ you wrote the book on life. Maybe in the next 3 lifetimes I may one day reach your ability to understand people and issues, while at the same time "not changing any of your opinions". You musta been a born genius."

I'LL TAKE THAT gENIUS PART AS A COMPLIMENT. BUT NEXT TIME SAVE THAT SARCASTIC BULLSHIT FOR YOUR HOMIES AND SELL-OUT BLAK BUDDIES THAT ARE INTO THAT.

 

[Ethereal]

Fuck, do I have to do this again?

You haven't really said much of anything, just arguements against everything I typed. I can see that you have a closed mind, so it looks to be only a matter of time until you stop posting responses.

Tell me this, if white people commit more crime than any other group (and they do, remember like you say, they are the majority so of course the numbers will reflect this) then why is there more minorities doing time in prision??? You say you see blacks on Cops selling drugs so that must mean whites dont then, right? Whites are charged more for drug crimes then anyone else, but why are there more blacks doing time for drugs in prison???

There are more minorities in prison because they are committing more crimes that bring a longer prison term. While one BLACK man is doing life in prison for murder, perhaps 10 WHITE people will be released for their smaller crimes.

Murder by Numbers:

Year White Black
1990: 263 418
1991: 311 479
1992: 245 550
1993: 230 570
1994: 237 504
1995: 206 408
1996: 211 350
1997: 248 365
1998: 238 386
1999: 195 358

Notice that, although WHITE people might make up for the majority of arrests (I was unable to find any proof of that) they contain many misdemeanor charges which often do not carry any prison term at all. Here are some staggaring numbers showing that with such a small population in the United States (12%) African Americans are almost DOUBLEING the murders done by WHITE people. These are charges that bring life sentrences, so they stay in prison forever. These crimes accumulate BLACKS in prison creating a HUGE population amongst African Americans as you see today.

Here you can see that African Americans are committing murders at a rate 5x faster then WHITE people. With this can we say that African Americans are populating prisons 5x faster as well? This is not oncluding other crimes where African Americans are high in the rankings.

Another thing to consider is past offenses that a criminal carries. In 1999, 50,524 "WHITE" people were arrested on felony drug charges compared to 40,183 Mexicans, and 31,300 African Americans. These numbers are reflected by, as we previousy discussed, WHITE and BROWN people making up for a much larger population in this country. So why is it that there is still more minorities in prison on drug charges? Drug convictions--although are bringing increased jail time-- generally do not carry huge sentences, unless you have prior convictions. So lets examine something interesting, we saw how WHITE arrests are significantly larger then minorities, so how about our youths?

Juvenile drug arrests over the past 10 years:

Hispanic: 32,982
Black: 23,477
White: 18,896

So we know that WHITE people account for the majority of adult felony drug arrests, but how many of them had prior drug convictions? We know that under 18 minorities are racking up way more arrests, therefore increasing the chance that they will have an extended stay in prison once arrested again on similar charges, increasing their population in prison over a long period of time.

One of the harshest forms of crime, bringing one of the most severe sentencing, are violent crimes. Take a look at Juvenile violent crimes, catagorized by race.

Again we see that African American juveniles are commiting violent crimes 5x faster than ANY other race, all while making up only 12% of the population.

And were supposed to blame WHITE people?

But its dirty buisness, and its the way we treat our country like its one big buisness where the powerful can make any image of a person that they want to and sell it, training people that this is how these people act, this is how your people act, its bullshit...thats what is destroying equality.

How are we to blame WHITE business owners for selling these images, and not African American's for creating them. You said businesses owners can make any image they want and sell it; NO they cannot. These damaging images are created by individuals, then the owners see that society supports it, then they get their hands on it to profit. If it isn't a WHITE record label that is going to market this product, do you think it is going to be any different with a BLACK owner? He is going to run the business the same exact way, exploiting his *OWN* people. You need not to focus on the owners, but who these kids are being influenced by.

As far as reverse racism, I believe it cant exist. Sure a black man can hate a white man, but that is not racism. According to Websters dictionary, Racism is "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." Now I only know one group of people that have historically been guilty of that. Yup, you guessed it. I know plenty of people who hate a white man because of his skin, but that is in reaction to those who have "produced an inherent superiority" over him since day one. Race and power equals racism. And if blacks did come into power in this country, there probably would be racism in reaction to what has been put upon them for years. Only then will reverse racism exist.

I agree with a lot of what you just said, but were on different tracks here. Your arguing as to justify the racism present in BLACKS, whereas I am just trying to make notice only of it's existance. I undertstand that the African American racist mentality is caused by a reaction to racism on behalf of WHITE people, but I personally do not believe that it makes it all O.K. When you have someone like me, who would stand with righteous African Americans against the KKK, how can it at all be justifiable?

But there is one last thing: black people DID in fact create rock music. Any rock musician will even tell you that.

I don't think so man, maybe you can show me? Like I said before, BLACK people might have created ROCK the same way the "WHITE" mafia created CRIPS and BLOODS.

Im done with these threads... hope you learned something.

I am not at all suprised, and I did learn something.



Sources:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov
http://caag.state.ca.us
http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org
http://sbi2.jus.state.nc.us

 

[EDJ]

^THE MAFIA DID NOT CREATE BLOODS AND CRIPS.

 

[already dead.]

Chuck Berry had a huge hand in creating what we know as rock n roll. The thing is, though, there were American bands who said fuck the Beatles and Fuck that style.

Namely, Creedence Clearwater, Lynrd Skynrd, the Grateful Dead. They have alot of roots in country. If you listen to what constituted radio shit before and after the Beatles, especially this one bitch whose music sounded like a country/pop crossover, can't remember her name, there is alot more in Country in early rock than alot of people say.

Black people had a huge hand in early rock and roll, responsible for a large part of it. But there was a country influence from guys like Johnny Cash and other bands, especially early 50's crossovers. Some go so far as to call rock a black art today. But to say Chuck Berry was responsible for Kurt Cobain is kinda making long connections. That's like saying since SPaniards invented the guitar, SPanish people invented Rock N Roll.

 

[EDJ]

^DON'T FORgET COUNTRY CAME FROM A CROSS FROM BLUES.

 

[Dr. Curien]

He ain't pulled shit. Epidemic is nothing more than a garbage-spewing, rambling little kid who gets butt hurt over every little topic. EDJ, you suffer from tunnel vision. Your judgement of me or belief as to my motives or character are secondary to any logical discussion.

The "discredit the speaker" tactic works in politics, but in the realm of thought progression and discussion, has little or no value. You can sit around and repeat some shit I said like a parrot, or you can look towards what people are trying to do here, which is have a discussion and present points. THis kind of "personalizing" is something you have done in almost every single thread, changing tht topic around to some sort of "well you a poopoo head" "well you an idiot". The scope is now on me, so go ahead E, make 15 other posts about how I am unqualified to speak.

Basically, you can't get over one comment I said, and because of your constant rehashing, Epidemic, who has logical abilities dwarfed by some kindergarteners, has now "learned" from you relevant "facts" about me. The sad part of the whole situation is, you would censor 3 quarters of this board in the name of a "right to speak". This is the gathering of minds, not the gathering of those EDJ deems acceptable.



So no one can speak on anything they're not personally involved in...I see. Why you posting on the internet man? Do you know the mechanics of HTML, PHP, and Java? Why you rappin? You haven't been musically trained. Etc., etc. I'm not gonna go down a list of reasons why I am or am not qualified to discuss a specific topic. Attack me on my points. You don't think there is a collective black identity? I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why.



Being White is something I feel strongly about. Using "whiteboy" as an adjective refers to a state of being disconnected specifically from minority culture. Even then, I don't use white-specific terms that much. Search my posts for a time in which I directly talked shit on all white people. As for the "aryans" issue, actions speak louder than words. And for all the completely idiotic things you have said, anyone on this board has enough ammo to blast you off into space.

All I have to say to this is that your just a punk who thinks he has some knowledge but lacks any understanding of life at all. Then you try and insult me while I sit back and chill. Your a piece of shit in life and your mad because I can speak knowledge. Sounds like to me your aryan brotherhood ways are showing through. So go hail hitler somewhere else you soft ass fag. You run around here like you have some sense, but after you get off you diss your black girlfriend and talk racist shit to your buddies about how the blacks this and the blacks that. Your a scared little kid who is just a piece of dog shit on the bottom of someones shoe.


Epidemic