DONT HATE ME CUZ IM WHITE!!!
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I grew up in Excelsior in Frisco. You could see me on Lisbon, Peru, Gandalf, and Cayuga and up by Balboa all day long. As a matter of fact if any time u see BUSE or GD$ (my crew) hit up in the sco, even though most spots got buffed, half of that was me.
My girl is black, a good deal of my folks are black, so you can't really get me on this. Shit last night, my friend (black) was tryin to tell me not to walk through the hood because of bullshit whatever, even though it would cut my time. I'm the complete opposite of the black-evasive closet racist.
Come to my house...talk to my family, my folks, their friends, their friends. Racism among non-redneck white americans is nothing like it used to be...nothing at all. Even if more than 10 percent of white people get scared of black people in public, that is more about miseducation than anything else, and that doesn't mean they won't hire or talk to a black person.
The irony is in this day and age when racism has increased dramatically, there is more self-segregation among the black community than there is by invisible race barriers and the closet racism of white people. Even if a white person locks their doors when they see black people walk by (because of a subconscious reflex, and not a conscious choice), that doesn't mean they won't talk to you if you came up to them on the street or knocked on their window.
And guess what happens when those black people they are suspicious talk to them, interact with them, see them in public and take the time to starta conversation? They lose that door-locking, or backwards-glancing instinct. Racism is a byproduct of miseducation and lack of experience. In some cases, white people who have had a bad experience with black people will develop racism, or will have already present racism amplify. What is the best way to combat this or get rid of it, though? Once again, talking to, befriending, etc., those same white people.
Are they fucked up? Possibly. But the same way many black people often assume most or all white people are racist, the racist among white people assume most or all black people are criminals. The time when this disillusion ends is when a middle ground is reached.
Who is gonna take the step, and reach the middle ground, is up to the individual. Yes, some random white person may be more racist than you, and less willing to change than you, and you could be 100 percent justified in avoiding them, but the nature of the situation is someone has to take that step.
There is the black person who holds certain views of white people, and there is the white person who is racist. Who is more fucked up? The white person, of course. But the answer is not to insist the white person is fucked up, and give up, but rather take the moral high ground, and do your part, regardless of the other person's immaturity or close-mindedness.
Over the years more and more "black-influenced" events and services have come about. Black dorms, black dances, black sororities, Black educational subcommitees, black colleges, black majors, black experience groups, etc. While they do serve some good purposes, Black America today is possibly just as segregated as the Black America of the 1960's, when real and serious limiting factors contributed to the minority state...not some white people locking car doors, or saying the N-word in a room with some friends.
My girl is black, a good deal of my folks are black, so you can't really get me on this. Shit last night, my friend (black) was tryin to tell me not to walk through the hood because of bullshit whatever, even though it would cut my time. I'm the complete opposite of the black-evasive closet racist.
Come to my house...talk to my family, my folks, their friends, their friends. Racism among non-redneck white americans is nothing like it used to be...nothing at all. Even if more than 10 percent of white people get scared of black people in public, that is more about miseducation than anything else, and that doesn't mean they won't hire or talk to a black person.
The irony is in this day and age when racism has increased dramatically, there is more self-segregation among the black community than there is by invisible race barriers and the closet racism of white people. Even if a white person locks their doors when they see black people walk by (because of a subconscious reflex, and not a conscious choice), that doesn't mean they won't talk to you if you came up to them on the street or knocked on their window.
And guess what happens when those black people they are suspicious talk to them, interact with them, see them in public and take the time to starta conversation? They lose that door-locking, or backwards-glancing instinct. Racism is a byproduct of miseducation and lack of experience. In some cases, white people who have had a bad experience with black people will develop racism, or will have already present racism amplify. What is the best way to combat this or get rid of it, though? Once again, talking to, befriending, etc., those same white people.
Are they fucked up? Possibly. But the same way many black people often assume most or all white people are racist, the racist among white people assume most or all black people are criminals. The time when this disillusion ends is when a middle ground is reached.
Who is gonna take the step, and reach the middle ground, is up to the individual. Yes, some random white person may be more racist than you, and less willing to change than you, and you could be 100 percent justified in avoiding them, but the nature of the situation is someone has to take that step.
There is the black person who holds certain views of white people, and there is the white person who is racist. Who is more fucked up? The white person, of course. But the answer is not to insist the white person is fucked up, and give up, but rather take the moral high ground, and do your part, regardless of the other person's immaturity or close-mindedness.
Over the years more and more "black-influenced" events and services have come about. Black dorms, black dances, black sororities, Black educational subcommitees, black colleges, black majors, black experience groups, etc. While they do serve some good purposes, Black America today is possibly just as segregated as the Black America of the 1960's, when real and serious limiting factors contributed to the minority state...not some white people locking car doors, or saying the N-word in a room with some friends.
Oh ok...what about this though?
Why wouldn't he have made it? Competency? Most presidents are incompetent. Funding? Most presidents gain funding through party supporters, contributing companies, etc.
So what is left? White racism. You will never see a minority candidate because of white racism. That is what you were talking about.
After searching through your posts, already several on this board, you made that statement once. My bad for not pickin that small ass bit out of your threads.
Exactly. Yet there couldn't be a minority president...why? Because the majority of white people are racist.
I never claimed either.
Why wouldn't he have made it? Competency? Most presidents are incompetent. Funding? Most presidents gain funding through party supporters, contributing companies, etc.
So what is left? White racism. You will never see a minority candidate because of white racism. That is what you were talking about.
After searching through your posts, already several on this board, you made that statement once. My bad for not pickin that small ass bit out of your threads.
Exactly. Yet there couldn't be a minority president...why? Because the majority of white people are racist.
I never claimed either.
I think Colin Powell was afraid his ass would get sniped or some shit. Basically you see a cloud of white racism that hinders every single action any minority can take and influences every situation they are in. Not just the historical oppression of their people, but day to day actions. This shroud encompasses all but the most liberal of white Americans, who would never vote for a minority candidate.
Youre right. So maybe it is racism, or fear. Some would say this is the "Good Ol Boys" mentality, but either way for those naysayers, this is exactly how white privliage works.
I dont think Powell was afraid that he could of gotten sniped though. Thats something all presidents have to take in consideration before taking office.
So are you still saying that a minority has a chance to become president?
I dont think Powell was afraid that he could of gotten sniped though. Thats something all presidents have to take in consideration before taking office.
So are you still saying that a minority has a chance to become president?
That's easy, the place I work at. I'm employed at a grocery store in FRESNO which is a city HIGHLY populated by Hispanic people (hispanics alone make up for close to 50% of the entire city's population). Now out of all that are employed at this store, I would estimate that close to two-thirds of them are Hispanic. Now out of this two-thirds, almost ALL of them speak spanish. Just a coincidence? I think not. Now, knowing the situation, if me and another spanish speaking Hispanic man walk into this store looking for work, who do you think has the advantage? There are big portions of this city (which is quite large) where Hispanic people are the majority. There are Hispanic owned business's all over where there are nothing but Hispanic people working.
Who has the advantage?
Im not complaining, im just stating facts, since you asked.
Yeah, but I feel that by what my ancestors did, that it is my obligation to do something about it, especially when the color of my skin is thrown into every discussion concerning this issue. I put all my effort into ridding racist mentalities from people on and off the internet. When I am confronted by a minority, I don't want him to wonder if I dislike his skin color, I want him to ASSUME and EXPECT that I am an orinary citizen, looking to better himself, and those around him who are in need of it; but thats far from how it is. People seem to have a problem with what I say becasue on the surface it seems as though I talk about how WHITE people are suffering, but thats terribly wrong. WHITE people (those who oppose white supremacy) have it bad by bearing white colored skin because they find it difficult to dissasociate themselves from those hurting minorities in this country. I will never for a second say that WHITE people are victim in this country, but ill be damned if im going to listen to some "minority" talk about struggle when he's got every pair of Jordan's ever made sittin' in his closet. Im not going to have people associate me with the WHITE people who took this nation and enslaved African's. I'll be the first to admit that, I criticize some minority races, but I think people are getting the wrong impression. I wish nothing but the best for every person in this country, regardless of their skin color. However (im going to use one race specifically) African Americans, especially those on this board, avoid any guilt of wrong doings in this country; wrong doings that put their race in the position they are in today. [I know slavery is what put them there, but this is what is keeping them] For exanple, reverse racism. Whenever an African Americans is at question for being racist towards a WHITE man, he has some justifiable reason, such as the way WHITE people treat BLACKS. Check the threads by SOLO (sorry dude) and you will find as he say's that there is no such thing as black supremacy or BLACKS being racist towards WHITES. THIS IS NOT TRUE AND I HAVE PROVED IT.
I am here to point out the flaws in the African American race from a "WHITE" perspective, because if you can't accept and understand what I say, then it won't matter that we live together in peace because our minds will always be segregated. I believe that if you so much as take what I say into consideration, then you will be one step further. I speak from my own observations of life. Im here to broaden everyone's perspective and devide the WHITE race into WHITE'S and European Americans. This amongst MANY other things I have in mind...
Ok, hip-hop is WHITE owned, lets talk about that. You say that these WHITE owners are exploiting the talents of a BLACK man for their own gain. Now I have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT view on "black exploitation" (which I will get into later) but I will leave you with this.
When a BLACK artist is signed by a WHITE record label owner, and is from then on "exploited" for his skills, who is to blame? Is there a bad guy in this situation?
A WHITE owner is just a man with pale skin, seeking talent that the PEOPLE of this country would enjoy listening to, thats his job and it wasn't based on exploiting any one race. What is the alternative to BLACKS being exploited, and does it have anything to do with that WHITE owner? The only two alternatives are that 1. A BLACK man invests his money properly, and creates his own label, then signs talent. 2. The WHITE record label owner rejects any African American artist, because he doesn't want to aid the "exploitation" of African Americans. In this case, arn't we are right back where we started... WHITE people denying minorities opportunity in this world. In my honest opinion, I think that "black exploitation" does not even register as a PROBLEM in this country, at least not as far as what we're talking about, that being the entertainment business. If you would like to discuss this matter in a lengthly process please let me know, but I don't want to overdue it in this thread.
That is because of two reasons.
1. The majority of consumers of the hip-hop industry are "WHITE".
2. More importantly, his music is good. His beats are knockin, he is lyrically one of the best there is, and his delivery is always on point.
As far as ROCK and COUNTRY, I see very few BLACK people even atempting at these types of music.
The only one I will agree with out of those is "trace his original family name". You might have a case with presidency, but I would have to see it attempted first before I agree. As for the rest, im sorry because, I myself have been arrested for NOTHING. You can continue if you wish, but it won't get you very far.
Understood. However, from my point of view, being a person who is not associated with those who minorities do this in response to, it is the same thing.
Who has the advantage?
Im not complaining, im just stating facts, since you asked.
Yeah, but I feel that by what my ancestors did, that it is my obligation to do something about it, especially when the color of my skin is thrown into every discussion concerning this issue. I put all my effort into ridding racist mentalities from people on and off the internet. When I am confronted by a minority, I don't want him to wonder if I dislike his skin color, I want him to ASSUME and EXPECT that I am an orinary citizen, looking to better himself, and those around him who are in need of it; but thats far from how it is. People seem to have a problem with what I say becasue on the surface it seems as though I talk about how WHITE people are suffering, but thats terribly wrong. WHITE people (those who oppose white supremacy) have it bad by bearing white colored skin because they find it difficult to dissasociate themselves from those hurting minorities in this country. I will never for a second say that WHITE people are victim in this country, but ill be damned if im going to listen to some "minority" talk about struggle when he's got every pair of Jordan's ever made sittin' in his closet. Im not going to have people associate me with the WHITE people who took this nation and enslaved African's. I'll be the first to admit that, I criticize some minority races, but I think people are getting the wrong impression. I wish nothing but the best for every person in this country, regardless of their skin color. However (im going to use one race specifically) African Americans, especially those on this board, avoid any guilt of wrong doings in this country; wrong doings that put their race in the position they are in today. [I know slavery is what put them there, but this is what is keeping them] For exanple, reverse racism. Whenever an African Americans is at question for being racist towards a WHITE man, he has some justifiable reason, such as the way WHITE people treat BLACKS. Check the threads by SOLO (sorry dude) and you will find as he say's that there is no such thing as black supremacy or BLACKS being racist towards WHITES. THIS IS NOT TRUE AND I HAVE PROVED IT.
I am here to point out the flaws in the African American race from a "WHITE" perspective, because if you can't accept and understand what I say, then it won't matter that we live together in peace because our minds will always be segregated. I believe that if you so much as take what I say into consideration, then you will be one step further. I speak from my own observations of life. Im here to broaden everyone's perspective and devide the WHITE race into WHITE'S and European Americans. This amongst MANY other things I have in mind...
Ok, hip-hop is WHITE owned, lets talk about that. You say that these WHITE owners are exploiting the talents of a BLACK man for their own gain. Now I have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT view on "black exploitation" (which I will get into later) but I will leave you with this.
When a BLACK artist is signed by a WHITE record label owner, and is from then on "exploited" for his skills, who is to blame? Is there a bad guy in this situation?
A WHITE owner is just a man with pale skin, seeking talent that the PEOPLE of this country would enjoy listening to, thats his job and it wasn't based on exploiting any one race. What is the alternative to BLACKS being exploited, and does it have anything to do with that WHITE owner? The only two alternatives are that 1. A BLACK man invests his money properly, and creates his own label, then signs talent. 2. The WHITE record label owner rejects any African American artist, because he doesn't want to aid the "exploitation" of African Americans. In this case, arn't we are right back where we started... WHITE people denying minorities opportunity in this world. In my honest opinion, I think that "black exploitation" does not even register as a PROBLEM in this country, at least not as far as what we're talking about, that being the entertainment business. If you would like to discuss this matter in a lengthly process please let me know, but I don't want to overdue it in this thread.
That is because of two reasons.
1. The majority of consumers of the hip-hop industry are "WHITE".
2. More importantly, his music is good. His beats are knockin, he is lyrically one of the best there is, and his delivery is always on point.
As far as ROCK and COUNTRY, I see very few BLACK people even atempting at these types of music.
The only one I will agree with out of those is "trace his original family name". You might have a case with presidency, but I would have to see it attempted first before I agree. As for the rest, im sorry because, I myself have been arrested for NOTHING. You can continue if you wish, but it won't get you very far.
Understood. However, from my point of view, being a person who is not associated with those who minorities do this in response to, it is the same thing.
OK dude, all this typing is pissing me off and I hate trying to seperate quotes and responding, and putting in the bold and quote commands in the right place, so fuck it Im gonna have to make it short
First of all its great that Mexicans in Fresno own grocery stores (actually, they might not even own it, i forget what you said) and it may be an injustice to you if a spanish speaker gets a job in there before you do, but whats a local grocery store in the eyes of white corperate owned grocery chains and shit to that effect? Plus you got the job right? Youre working there, arent you white? And also, if you follow that model, which america does, a mexican wouldnt have a good chance at getting hired in most companies and buisnesses in america, which is true.
You say African Americans avoid any guilt of wrong doings in this country that put thier people in the postion they are in. So what is it then? Do African Americans just dont know how to act? They put them themselves there in the position because of all of thier wrong doings? There is a bigger picture, and you should know that black people dont avoid guilt like you say. There more African Americans doing right over wrong. African Americans get involved with fixing thier communities, most are warm church going people, and all the African Americans Ive ever met has never done anything worse than what a white dude has. You just see the surface, because all you can do is look from afar.
And I am one of those people who belive that reverse racism is not possible. Lol, I think Kevin Powell from The Real World said it best - "Race plus power equals racism"
Now, with hip hop, you say "a white owner is just a man with a pale face who is looking for talent that people like listening to" You forgot the part that says he is a man that is looking for talent to profit off of.
Hip hop began as a culture. Now when the big buisness, white owned corperations got thier hands on the culture, they commercialized it, put a price tag on it, and seek the members of this culture to make them more money for thier companies.
IN the mainstream, the real culture of hip hop is not present. And hiphop has entered all realms of media and the corperate head is pulling inner city youths one by one putting a big marketing scheme behind them and giving them 30 cents for each cd sold. Thats not exploitation? Sure all bands go through this, but look at the Billboard top ten singles and tell me all the artists. Mostly black artists. Some might say its a good thing that they are at the top, but look whose reaching into thier pockets.
So now that its marketable, money becomes the drive in the culture, and money is what is needed in the culture to be down with the culture. So these visions of ice, bling, cars and all that become the main goal in the culture. So then the culture does anything for this status, including illegal and bad things to be down with what the culture is showing them... but the culture didnt start out that way. It started out as a means to escape those bad things. But corperate america cant make money off of that, so fuck it... another culture destroyed.
And true, black people can invest thier money and start up thier label, but overall, Def Jam, Roc A Fella, Rap A Lot... they are all owned by white owned parent companies. And guess who gets the biggest chunks of money.
Now Eminem... true, he is dope and the white population buys most of hip hop music. But what does that tell you? It tells you that if a black dude spit the same dope rhymes over the same dope tracks, he wouldnt sell shit because he's black. But its the same damn songs. Only thing that changes is the color.
And you said that youve seen very few black people attempt country and rock, when in fact rock was created by black people, and black people make up a huge population in the south where country is popular. Gotta ask yourself why isnt there black people in rock and country... because its not marketable to a white audience. Yet black music that celebrates black-on-black violence, womanizing, drugs, and drinking is marketable to a white audience. Like you said most of the people who buy hip hop are white. And this is where they get thier images of black people from.
Fuck, I could on forever. This turned out longer than I thought, Im out.
First of all its great that Mexicans in Fresno own grocery stores (actually, they might not even own it, i forget what you said) and it may be an injustice to you if a spanish speaker gets a job in there before you do, but whats a local grocery store in the eyes of white corperate owned grocery chains and shit to that effect? Plus you got the job right? Youre working there, arent you white? And also, if you follow that model, which america does, a mexican wouldnt have a good chance at getting hired in most companies and buisnesses in america, which is true.
You say African Americans avoid any guilt of wrong doings in this country that put thier people in the postion they are in. So what is it then? Do African Americans just dont know how to act? They put them themselves there in the position because of all of thier wrong doings? There is a bigger picture, and you should know that black people dont avoid guilt like you say. There more African Americans doing right over wrong. African Americans get involved with fixing thier communities, most are warm church going people, and all the African Americans Ive ever met has never done anything worse than what a white dude has. You just see the surface, because all you can do is look from afar.
And I am one of those people who belive that reverse racism is not possible. Lol, I think Kevin Powell from The Real World said it best - "Race plus power equals racism"
Now, with hip hop, you say "a white owner is just a man with a pale face who is looking for talent that people like listening to" You forgot the part that says he is a man that is looking for talent to profit off of.
Hip hop began as a culture. Now when the big buisness, white owned corperations got thier hands on the culture, they commercialized it, put a price tag on it, and seek the members of this culture to make them more money for thier companies.
IN the mainstream, the real culture of hip hop is not present. And hiphop has entered all realms of media and the corperate head is pulling inner city youths one by one putting a big marketing scheme behind them and giving them 30 cents for each cd sold. Thats not exploitation? Sure all bands go through this, but look at the Billboard top ten singles and tell me all the artists. Mostly black artists. Some might say its a good thing that they are at the top, but look whose reaching into thier pockets.
So now that its marketable, money becomes the drive in the culture, and money is what is needed in the culture to be down with the culture. So these visions of ice, bling, cars and all that become the main goal in the culture. So then the culture does anything for this status, including illegal and bad things to be down with what the culture is showing them... but the culture didnt start out that way. It started out as a means to escape those bad things. But corperate america cant make money off of that, so fuck it... another culture destroyed.
And true, black people can invest thier money and start up thier label, but overall, Def Jam, Roc A Fella, Rap A Lot... they are all owned by white owned parent companies. And guess who gets the biggest chunks of money.
Now Eminem... true, he is dope and the white population buys most of hip hop music. But what does that tell you? It tells you that if a black dude spit the same dope rhymes over the same dope tracks, he wouldnt sell shit because he's black. But its the same damn songs. Only thing that changes is the color.
And you said that youve seen very few black people attempt country and rock, when in fact rock was created by black people, and black people make up a huge population in the south where country is popular. Gotta ask yourself why isnt there black people in rock and country... because its not marketable to a white audience. Yet black music that celebrates black-on-black violence, womanizing, drugs, and drinking is marketable to a white audience. Like you said most of the people who buy hip hop are white. And this is where they get thier images of black people from.
Fuck, I could on forever. This turned out longer than I thought, Im out.
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What I said still holds true, though. Minorities will have an advantage over WHITE people in areas where they make up for a majority. The only difference is that the population of WHITE people is much larger across the nation, which makes up for a bigger overall "advantage", but the same thing is present in BLACK and BROWN communities. I was hired at this job in another city where the minority population was very small. I transfered my job to the store im at now; they allowed and accepted the transfer based on my expierence and skill.
Man, I thought maybe you would be able to understand where I was coming from, but your just assuming like everybody else. I never said African Americans are in the position they are because of their wrong doings, that can be attributed to slavery and racism in the early to mid ninety's. It is their errorness ways that aid their own struggle, which is the point im trying to get across. (see your later arguements on BLACKS portraying a damaging image). You don't know that African Americans are doing more right then wrong. Look at the African American population in prison, were they all wrongfully accused? Why is it that every time we watch cops, it is African Americans caught selling drugs? I understand it was WHITE people who started it by enslaving them, but with none of those to blame being alive, are we to place no blame at all for the BLACK man who sell's drugs to children, further continuing the cycle of poverty?
And in doing so you align yourself right along with the rest. Your telling me there is no such thing as a BLACK man disliking a person because he has WHITE skin? That is exactly the point I am making in the post I created that you responded to directly above. If BLACK people came into power, would they be racist? Come on, that is the a really stupid comment.
That is the point of business my friend. How is what he is doing any different then a BLACK or BROWN owned business? They sell a product that the consumers want to buy; in this case one of the products happens to be a genre of music better expressed through African American's. Its the wonderfull world of business, if you havn't yet, I suggest taking at least an Intro to Business class.
I have been working at the same job for over 3 years, I have received about 75 cents in raises over those three years, I make a total of $8.08/hr after three years. I am the hardest working employee at the store, every manager will back that up. Am I being exploited? (by the way this is all true)
The owner didn't trick them into coming to their label. These artists have a choice, they chose to create music under that label for that fixed price; don't hate the player, hate the game.
There you go, avoiding any blame you can. Has it ever crossed your mind that this REAL form of hip-hop cannot be a success because no one wants to hear it? This music industry is not controlled by the owners, it is controlled by the consumers. They are the people who decide what type of music is going to come out. This culture would not have been destroyed if these artists did not create the bomb to be detonated, it wouldn't have been destroyed if the consumers didn't support the material being released from these artists. Blaming corperate america is like blaming a road for causing an accident for an at fault driver smashing into another vehicle.
And guess who's decision it was to work with these WHITE owned businesses? What is the alternative? To have these WHITE owned businesses reject to help these African Americans?
White people being the biggest consumer of RAP music tells me that WHITE people make up for a majority of this country. And your wrong on your next comment, 50 Cent just sold over 7,000,000 records. Anyone know if he hit 8x Platinum yet?
The answer to that question is easy, BLACK people didn't creat rock music, sorryto let you down.
So it's WHITE peoples fault for buying the music and not the artists for portraying this "COOL" image? There you go again man, avoiding any and placing all blame.
Man, I thought maybe you would be able to understand where I was coming from, but your just assuming like everybody else. I never said African Americans are in the position they are because of their wrong doings, that can be attributed to slavery and racism in the early to mid ninety's. It is their errorness ways that aid their own struggle, which is the point im trying to get across. (see your later arguements on BLACKS portraying a damaging image). You don't know that African Americans are doing more right then wrong. Look at the African American population in prison, were they all wrongfully accused? Why is it that every time we watch cops, it is African Americans caught selling drugs? I understand it was WHITE people who started it by enslaving them, but with none of those to blame being alive, are we to place no blame at all for the BLACK man who sell's drugs to children, further continuing the cycle of poverty?
And in doing so you align yourself right along with the rest. Your telling me there is no such thing as a BLACK man disliking a person because he has WHITE skin? That is exactly the point I am making in the post I created that you responded to directly above. If BLACK people came into power, would they be racist? Come on, that is the a really stupid comment.
That is the point of business my friend. How is what he is doing any different then a BLACK or BROWN owned business? They sell a product that the consumers want to buy; in this case one of the products happens to be a genre of music better expressed through African American's. Its the wonderfull world of business, if you havn't yet, I suggest taking at least an Intro to Business class.
I have been working at the same job for over 3 years, I have received about 75 cents in raises over those three years, I make a total of $8.08/hr after three years. I am the hardest working employee at the store, every manager will back that up. Am I being exploited? (by the way this is all true)
The owner didn't trick them into coming to their label. These artists have a choice, they chose to create music under that label for that fixed price; don't hate the player, hate the game.
There you go, avoiding any blame you can. Has it ever crossed your mind that this REAL form of hip-hop cannot be a success because no one wants to hear it? This music industry is not controlled by the owners, it is controlled by the consumers. They are the people who decide what type of music is going to come out. This culture would not have been destroyed if these artists did not create the bomb to be detonated, it wouldn't have been destroyed if the consumers didn't support the material being released from these artists. Blaming corperate america is like blaming a road for causing an accident for an at fault driver smashing into another vehicle.
And guess who's decision it was to work with these WHITE owned businesses? What is the alternative? To have these WHITE owned businesses reject to help these African Americans?
White people being the biggest consumer of RAP music tells me that WHITE people make up for a majority of this country. And your wrong on your next comment, 50 Cent just sold over 7,000,000 records. Anyone know if he hit 8x Platinum yet?
The answer to that question is easy, BLACK people didn't creat rock music, sorryto let you down.
So it's WHITE peoples fault for buying the music and not the artists for portraying this "COOL" image? There you go again man, avoiding any and placing all blame.
Fuck, do I have to do this again? I'll start with this first quote from you:
"Look at the African American population in prison, were they all wrongfully accused? Why is it that every time we watch cops, it is African Americans caught selling drugs? I understand it was WHITE people who started it by enslaving them, but with none of those to blame being alive, are we to place no blame at all for the BLACK man who sell's drugs to children, further continuing the cycle of poverty?"
Tell me this, if white people commit more crime than any other group (and they do, remember like you say, they are the majority so of course the numbers will reflect this) then why is there more minorities doing time in prision??? You say you see blacks on Cops selling drugs so that must mean whites dont then, right? Whites are charged more for drug crimes then anyone else, but why are there more blacks doing time for drugs in prison???
And the TV show Cops is such a reflection of real life, right? Because every black guy sells drugs on it, and every drunk white trailor dweller beats his wife... this too is exploitiation in a means to get you to watch the TV. Like you say this is a buisness right??? "The wonderful world of buisness" as you put it. But its dirty buisness, and its the way we treat our country like its one big buisness where the powerful can make any image of a person that they want to and sell it, training people that this is how these people act, this is how your people act, its bullshit...thats what is destroying equality.
And I never said minorities arent to blame for thier actions, Ive just been explaining over and fucking over why certian actions are taken, and how white people should realize why certian things are the way they are. And Im just letting you know that its white people's (conservatives) policies holding back progress, even though you may think otherwise. How can you know whats going on by looking from afar? A minoritys position in this world not totally due to a minoritys own doing, you even say that, but then you argue against it.
As far as reverse racism, I believe it cant exist. Sure a black man can hate a white man, but that is not racism. According to Websters dictionary, Racism is "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." Now I only know one group of people that have historically been guilty of that. Yup, you guessed it. I know plenty of people who hate a white man because of his skin, but that is in reaction to those who have "produced an inherent superiority" over him since day one. Race and power equals racism. And if blacks did come into power in this country, there probably would be racism in reaction to what has been put upon them for years. Only then will reverse racism exist.
Theres a bunch more shit you said that I could argue against, but Ill just be repeating myself over and over like I have been, and Im tired of doing that. You aint gonna agree with me and I aint gonna agree with you, that about sums it all up.
But there is one last thing: black people DID in fact create rock music. Any rock musician will even tell you that.
Im done with these threads... hope you learned something.
"Look at the African American population in prison, were they all wrongfully accused? Why is it that every time we watch cops, it is African Americans caught selling drugs? I understand it was WHITE people who started it by enslaving them, but with none of those to blame being alive, are we to place no blame at all for the BLACK man who sell's drugs to children, further continuing the cycle of poverty?"
Tell me this, if white people commit more crime than any other group (and they do, remember like you say, they are the majority so of course the numbers will reflect this) then why is there more minorities doing time in prision??? You say you see blacks on Cops selling drugs so that must mean whites dont then, right? Whites are charged more for drug crimes then anyone else, but why are there more blacks doing time for drugs in prison???
And the TV show Cops is such a reflection of real life, right? Because every black guy sells drugs on it, and every drunk white trailor dweller beats his wife... this too is exploitiation in a means to get you to watch the TV. Like you say this is a buisness right??? "The wonderful world of buisness" as you put it. But its dirty buisness, and its the way we treat our country like its one big buisness where the powerful can make any image of a person that they want to and sell it, training people that this is how these people act, this is how your people act, its bullshit...thats what is destroying equality.
And I never said minorities arent to blame for thier actions, Ive just been explaining over and fucking over why certian actions are taken, and how white people should realize why certian things are the way they are. And Im just letting you know that its white people's (conservatives) policies holding back progress, even though you may think otherwise. How can you know whats going on by looking from afar? A minoritys position in this world not totally due to a minoritys own doing, you even say that, but then you argue against it.
As far as reverse racism, I believe it cant exist. Sure a black man can hate a white man, but that is not racism. According to Websters dictionary, Racism is "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." Now I only know one group of people that have historically been guilty of that. Yup, you guessed it. I know plenty of people who hate a white man because of his skin, but that is in reaction to those who have "produced an inherent superiority" over him since day one. Race and power equals racism. And if blacks did come into power in this country, there probably would be racism in reaction to what has been put upon them for years. Only then will reverse racism exist.
Theres a bunch more shit you said that I could argue against, but Ill just be repeating myself over and over like I have been, and Im tired of doing that. You aint gonna agree with me and I aint gonna agree with you, that about sums it all up.
But there is one last thing: black people DID in fact create rock music. Any rock musician will even tell you that.
Im done with these threads... hope you learned something.
Coming from a "white perspective" A LOT of white people Are Racist. I see it all the time. I also see that black folks get treated much worse by the police and that I do have a better chance at getting a job than a black or hispanic person.
That being said No I am not going to apologize for being white or am i going to feel Like I should go out of my way to be nice to any one that is none white.
Anyone who says that all people are racist is ignorant.
"Use your brain, use your brain
It ain't THEM that's killin us it's US that's killin us
It ain't THEM that's knockin us off, it's US that's knockin us off
I'm tellin you better watch it, or be a victim" - Tupac
in case it matters I am 85% german and the other 15 % is irish and dutch,, cant get much "whiter"
That being said No I am not going to apologize for being white or am i going to feel Like I should go out of my way to be nice to any one that is none white.
Anyone who says that all people are racist is ignorant.
"Use your brain, use your brain
It ain't THEM that's killin us it's US that's killin us
It ain't THEM that's knockin us off, it's US that's knockin us off
I'm tellin you better watch it, or be a victim" - Tupac
in case it matters I am 85% german and the other 15 % is irish and dutch,, cant get much "whiter"
Okay
Cops
I like watching Cops. But only cuzz I like watchin the people do dumb shit & try to deny it or get away with it. It's comedy to me. But seriously, in my 15 years (damn, I'm old) of watching it, I can say that I don't remember seeing any white dudes get busted for selling drugs. I'm not saying they didn't show it, there just aren't any instances that come to mind. It's more like they show black dudes selling drugs, and white dudes getting busted for buying the drugs. Do we need to ask where these drugs originally came from? I'm talkin about decades ago. Who introduced them into the black community and why? To hurt the black community. But 'THEY' didn't expect the drug use to make such a cross-over into the white community.
Blacks Being Self-Segregated
True, there are a lot of black-based organizations, clubs, groups, etc, etc, etc. I'm sure you would not be denied membership to any of these things if you wanted to join & were not black. Unlike years ago when a black person better not even think about joining a 'white' club. I don't believe that the purpose of these groups is to completely segregate the black population. I think their purpose is more to create some type of unity in a country where the rate of black on black hate, envy, and crime is off the charts. These groups offer blacks an opportunity to create and share positive experiences in a positive, accepting, and nurturing environment. I think it's very important to have these black-based clubs. We need to form some type of unity so that we can look at ourselves & see exactly what needs to be done from within. I'm not saying that black people don't need white people's help. I'm just saying that we need some type of union here, people.
The Past
Someone said that they should not be blamed for what their ancestors did. True. I totally agree. But then the person (or maybe someone else) said that white people lock their doors or feel frightened by black people. Why is that? The black people that they are scared of PROBABLY never even met that white person before. So why should that white person be scared of that black person? It goes both ways. If my brother never did anything to a white person personally, then a white person should have no reason to lock their doors when they see him coming, right? Equally, my brother should not blame the white dude down the street personally for his position in life.
Racism In General
I think that everyone has some degree of racism in them. Whether it be conscious or subconscious. We're all products of our environments. We just have to make it a personal goal ro recall that product if we see to many errors. But this is hard when we live in a country where we are constantly surrounded by media and other visuals that perpetuate the same stereotypes that we are fighting to eradicate. Maybe racism isn't the right word to use. Okay, I think that everyone has some degree of misunderstanding or lack-of-knowledge about another race which causes them to feel a certain way about that race. What really matters is how you act upon these feelings.
Race in Prison System
Why (in general) are blacks doing more prison time than whites who do equal or lesser crimes?
Damn, I forgot what else I had to say.
@Deuce...How YOU doin? =)
Cops
I like watching Cops. But only cuzz I like watchin the people do dumb shit & try to deny it or get away with it. It's comedy to me. But seriously, in my 15 years (damn, I'm old) of watching it, I can say that I don't remember seeing any white dudes get busted for selling drugs. I'm not saying they didn't show it, there just aren't any instances that come to mind. It's more like they show black dudes selling drugs, and white dudes getting busted for buying the drugs. Do we need to ask where these drugs originally came from? I'm talkin about decades ago. Who introduced them into the black community and why? To hurt the black community. But 'THEY' didn't expect the drug use to make such a cross-over into the white community.
Blacks Being Self-Segregated
True, there are a lot of black-based organizations, clubs, groups, etc, etc, etc. I'm sure you would not be denied membership to any of these things if you wanted to join & were not black. Unlike years ago when a black person better not even think about joining a 'white' club. I don't believe that the purpose of these groups is to completely segregate the black population. I think their purpose is more to create some type of unity in a country where the rate of black on black hate, envy, and crime is off the charts. These groups offer blacks an opportunity to create and share positive experiences in a positive, accepting, and nurturing environment. I think it's very important to have these black-based clubs. We need to form some type of unity so that we can look at ourselves & see exactly what needs to be done from within. I'm not saying that black people don't need white people's help. I'm just saying that we need some type of union here, people.
The Past
Someone said that they should not be blamed for what their ancestors did. True. I totally agree. But then the person (or maybe someone else) said that white people lock their doors or feel frightened by black people. Why is that? The black people that they are scared of PROBABLY never even met that white person before. So why should that white person be scared of that black person? It goes both ways. If my brother never did anything to a white person personally, then a white person should have no reason to lock their doors when they see him coming, right? Equally, my brother should not blame the white dude down the street personally for his position in life.
Racism In General
I think that everyone has some degree of racism in them. Whether it be conscious or subconscious. We're all products of our environments. We just have to make it a personal goal ro recall that product if we see to many errors. But this is hard when we live in a country where we are constantly surrounded by media and other visuals that perpetuate the same stereotypes that we are fighting to eradicate. Maybe racism isn't the right word to use. Okay, I think that everyone has some degree of misunderstanding or lack-of-knowledge about another race which causes them to feel a certain way about that race. What really matters is how you act upon these feelings.
Race in Prison System
Why (in general) are blacks doing more prison time than whites who do equal or lesser crimes?
Damn, I forgot what else I had to say.
@Deuce...How YOU doin? =)