Why do you believe in god?
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@Heresy, I assume these are the questions:
Yes, I have read the bible before...From front to back. You problably dont know this, but I was a Theist for some time. My Father was Catholic and my Mother was, well, she was kinda like you Heresy. So the answer is yes.
Of course there are certain events, archaelogical facts that are correct in the bible, but I see NO evidence that would prove god to exist. You must also be aware of the flaws in the bible as well. If you have something in mind, please share it....I would love to discuss ANYTHING you claim to be physical evidence.
3.HOW CAN YOU SAY IF SOMEONES ANSWER IS LOGICAL OR RATIONAL? WHAT THRESHOLD OR GUIDELINES WERE SET? WHO SET IT?
When I speak the words "rational" and "logic" I mean exactly that! Lets say someone claims that they know a gywthalet to exists and you ask, "How do you know?" and they reply, "Because I had a dream that it exists." That is not rational.
When I ask Theists why they believe in god, and they say, "because of faith" or "because I can" or "because its what I've been taught" or "because I had a dream" or "because I excaped death" or something like this, it is irrational! To believe in something without any evidence what so ever IS irrational.
I'm confused on this question. I dont use the word "evil" and if I had in the past it is simply so others will "understand" what Im talking about. I dont believe in "evil".
Ok, now were getting somewhere. So are you saying god exists outside of the laws of man?
Yes, I have read the bible before...From front to back. You problably dont know this, but I was a Theist for some time. My Father was Catholic and my Mother was, well, she was kinda like you Heresy. So the answer is yes.
Of course there are certain events, archaelogical facts that are correct in the bible, but I see NO evidence that would prove god to exist. You must also be aware of the flaws in the bible as well. If you have something in mind, please share it....I would love to discuss ANYTHING you claim to be physical evidence.
3.HOW CAN YOU SAY IF SOMEONES ANSWER IS LOGICAL OR RATIONAL? WHAT THRESHOLD OR GUIDELINES WERE SET? WHO SET IT?
When I speak the words "rational" and "logic" I mean exactly that! Lets say someone claims that they know a gywthalet to exists and you ask, "How do you know?" and they reply, "Because I had a dream that it exists." That is not rational.
When I ask Theists why they believe in god, and they say, "because of faith" or "because I can" or "because its what I've been taught" or "because I had a dream" or "because I excaped death" or something like this, it is irrational! To believe in something without any evidence what so ever IS irrational.
I'm confused on this question. I dont use the word "evil" and if I had in the past it is simply so others will "understand" what Im talking about. I dont believe in "evil".
Ok, now were getting somewhere. So are you saying god exists outside of the laws of man?
HERES ONE THAT I FORGOT TO LIST BUT I LISTED IT IN THE BEGINING OF THE THREAD (NOT IN THE FORM OF QUESTION).
1.HO WCAN YOU SEEK SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF THE EXISTANCE OF GOD? SCIENTIFIC MEANING TANGIBLE EVIDENCE. IN ORDER TO DO SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO "EXPERIMENT" AND COMPRISE DATA. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TEST THE SUBJECT INVOLVED. SINCE YOU ARE *NOT* ABLE TO DO THIS WITH A "GOD" HOW CAN YOU DISPROVE?
HOW CAN YOU DETERMINE IF SOMEONES ANSWER IS LOGICAL OR RATIONAL? TO THEM IT IS LOGICAL AND RATIONAL. SO ONCE AGAIN THE QUESTION STANDS. WHO SET TEH THRESHOLD AND DECIDED WHAT IS AND ISNT LOGICAL?
ITS IRRATIONAL BECAUSE *YOU* SAY IT IS. IT ISNT IRRATIONAL TO THEM. IF GOD OPERATES IN THE SUPERNATURAL HOW CAN A SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE NOT BE RATIONAL? SOME PEOPEL BELIEVE BECAUSE OF AN EXPERIENCE. SOME BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE CLAIMED TO TALK TO GOD. DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING WITH PROOF?
QUICK QUESTION. BIN LADEN IS GUILTY YES OR NO?
YES. HOWEVER HE DOES DEAL INSIDE THE LAWS OF MAN. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE 9 DIMENSIONS?
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PS YOU SAID YOU STUDIED THE BIBLE? WHICH VERSIONS?
1.HO WCAN YOU SEEK SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF THE EXISTANCE OF GOD? SCIENTIFIC MEANING TANGIBLE EVIDENCE. IN ORDER TO DO SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO "EXPERIMENT" AND COMPRISE DATA. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TEST THE SUBJECT INVOLVED. SINCE YOU ARE *NOT* ABLE TO DO THIS WITH A "GOD" HOW CAN YOU DISPROVE?
HOW CAN YOU DETERMINE IF SOMEONES ANSWER IS LOGICAL OR RATIONAL? TO THEM IT IS LOGICAL AND RATIONAL. SO ONCE AGAIN THE QUESTION STANDS. WHO SET TEH THRESHOLD AND DECIDED WHAT IS AND ISNT LOGICAL?
ITS IRRATIONAL BECAUSE *YOU* SAY IT IS. IT ISNT IRRATIONAL TO THEM. IF GOD OPERATES IN THE SUPERNATURAL HOW CAN A SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE NOT BE RATIONAL? SOME PEOPEL BELIEVE BECAUSE OF AN EXPERIENCE. SOME BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE CLAIMED TO TALK TO GOD. DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING WITH PROOF?
QUICK QUESTION. BIN LADEN IS GUILTY YES OR NO?
YES. HOWEVER HE DOES DEAL INSIDE THE LAWS OF MAN. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE 9 DIMENSIONS?
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PS YOU SAID YOU STUDIED THE BIBLE? WHICH VERSIONS?
Once again I am offered nothing. No sufficent evidence to sway me away from my belief in God. I asked for evidence to support science. I even let a couple days go by Nothing. I asked for a rational belief to not believe in God. Nothing. It seems as if what I am saying is being bounced off the critical arena and as if it holds no water in the realm of the existance of God. So I am giving up. I pretty much said what I needed to say. I am not going to stand there and yell 'look at that cloud' and not even have sombody look. Then they bullshit with others to sway themselves from looking at the cloud.
2-0-Sicx- let me ask you why you care so much about if (g)God exists or not? Do you believe in the sunset or sunrise? If you are so sure that God does not exist then why point it out? That is like me saying the sun is going to rise. You would be like, yeah no shit. Cause it does and continues to rise and set, we know that its inevitable. No arguing aggainst that. So if it is absolute fact that God doesn't exist why sit here and talk about it? Why would I go up to some random person and be like yeah the sun isnt going to rise tomorow because the sun doesnt exist. See where im going with this. Well you could argue well I am talking about the sun too. Well I am but only because I didn't believe in God and I have done research and found that yes there is a God. And to me and others it is like the sun rising. We don't need science, emperical evidence or other people telling us different. You talk about religious experiences. Can you prove to me that I don't feel what I feel? I don't see what I see? can you tell me that I ate something else for breakfast when in fact I ate lucky charms? Once again I find my self repeating myself, we jump back on the reduntant merry go round.
You brought up 'religious experiences'. I was reading about this last night. And the intro was talking about people seeing the image of the Virgin Mary on a door. And people lined up around the block to see the image. Why would people line up just to see this lady. Well it discussed how the brain works and is 'wired' to see and experience the devine. As if the brain was made for humans to experience God. Which then brings me back to my 88% argument of God. 88% of Americans believe in God because they are wired to do so. Like a computer which is wired to input information and output information. See what I am saying? The human mind is incapable of a lot of things. It is formed and shaped for a reason.
"It has never existed. It has never been nonexistent."- Buddhist saying
"The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of tru science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead". -Albert Einstein
If you read the Bible from cover to cover. Which you probbly did. I am not questioning that. I just question if you even read it all that in depth. I read the Bible and a new question comes up everday. All Christian's know, you can't read the Bible you have to study it. I try to read it in sections then study it. Find other viewpoints and then let it marinate in my mind. I think its a good thing that you read the Bible. I just question your authority as being a reliable source to gather knowledgeable information as to what the Bible is and can be looked at. I can read a sports illustrated cover to cover. It does not mean I know everything about sports. There is more that goes into sports, you and I know that. Another point I stated earlier. Is that the Bible DOES NOT prove the existance of God. God proves the authority of the Bible. All religion is based upon authority. Why does a 2000 year old book still hold autorative status in America today? For example in the supreme court system and other courts. Why to politicans have comercials with refrences to the Bible? even Marliyn Manson refers to the Bible. Its corny but it's still from the Bible.
I feel like a broken record. Oh well. If you dont' read what I type and take it with a critical mind. Then oh well. I am sick of asking questions and getting no response. Then someone comes with some points and then are quick to offer answers to them and not me. It is disapointing. So I will leave you with what I said. I will come back. But I won't offer anymore opinion. Well I might. But there is no point because its liking throwing it into a black hole of thought.
2-0-Sicx- let me ask you why you care so much about if (g)God exists or not? Do you believe in the sunset or sunrise? If you are so sure that God does not exist then why point it out? That is like me saying the sun is going to rise. You would be like, yeah no shit. Cause it does and continues to rise and set, we know that its inevitable. No arguing aggainst that. So if it is absolute fact that God doesn't exist why sit here and talk about it? Why would I go up to some random person and be like yeah the sun isnt going to rise tomorow because the sun doesnt exist. See where im going with this. Well you could argue well I am talking about the sun too. Well I am but only because I didn't believe in God and I have done research and found that yes there is a God. And to me and others it is like the sun rising. We don't need science, emperical evidence or other people telling us different. You talk about religious experiences. Can you prove to me that I don't feel what I feel? I don't see what I see? can you tell me that I ate something else for breakfast when in fact I ate lucky charms? Once again I find my self repeating myself, we jump back on the reduntant merry go round.
You brought up 'religious experiences'. I was reading about this last night. And the intro was talking about people seeing the image of the Virgin Mary on a door. And people lined up around the block to see the image. Why would people line up just to see this lady. Well it discussed how the brain works and is 'wired' to see and experience the devine. As if the brain was made for humans to experience God. Which then brings me back to my 88% argument of God. 88% of Americans believe in God because they are wired to do so. Like a computer which is wired to input information and output information. See what I am saying? The human mind is incapable of a lot of things. It is formed and shaped for a reason.
"It has never existed. It has never been nonexistent."- Buddhist saying
"The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of tru science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead". -Albert Einstein
If you read the Bible from cover to cover. Which you probbly did. I am not questioning that. I just question if you even read it all that in depth. I read the Bible and a new question comes up everday. All Christian's know, you can't read the Bible you have to study it. I try to read it in sections then study it. Find other viewpoints and then let it marinate in my mind. I think its a good thing that you read the Bible. I just question your authority as being a reliable source to gather knowledgeable information as to what the Bible is and can be looked at. I can read a sports illustrated cover to cover. It does not mean I know everything about sports. There is more that goes into sports, you and I know that. Another point I stated earlier. Is that the Bible DOES NOT prove the existance of God. God proves the authority of the Bible. All religion is based upon authority. Why does a 2000 year old book still hold autorative status in America today? For example in the supreme court system and other courts. Why to politicans have comercials with refrences to the Bible? even Marliyn Manson refers to the Bible. Its corny but it's still from the Bible.
I feel like a broken record. Oh well. If you dont' read what I type and take it with a critical mind. Then oh well. I am sick of asking questions and getting no response. Then someone comes with some points and then are quick to offer answers to them and not me. It is disapointing. So I will leave you with what I said. I will come back. But I won't offer anymore opinion. Well I might. But there is no point because its liking throwing it into a black hole of thought.
First off, for the 10th time, THIS THREAD WAS DIRECTED AT FOETWIN.
@Pitty, I will answer your question as soon as you answer mine. And please dont say this was your answer,
@Basically,
Was this thread intended to disprove god? NO
I dont care "so much". Like I said to you before, THIS THREAD WAS DIRECTED AT FOETWIN. I can careless what you believe.
Read previous statemnets......But, there is a flip side to that as well....The same goes for you.....Why do sit here and talk about it?
Ok, you did some research huh? What research was that? You studied the bible? How did you find out there was a god? You didnt, you can only say "I BELIEVE there is a god." You dont know for a fact. Oh, and you dont need science huh? Well if it wasnt for Science you wouldnt know for a fact that the sun will rise again tomorrow. It is BECAUSE of science that we know it will. Without that, we would wounder how it magically appears everyday and why it disapears at night. Without science, everything in your life would be different. Science has Destroyed thousands of gods before, and Im sure one day, it will destroy yours as well.
Why? Because they are Theists! Because they "Believe."
Hmmmm, hehe. The brain is "wired" to see the devine?!!!? Why isnt my brain "wired?" What about Einstein's brain, Abraham Lincolns brain? The millions of other brains? No special wiring in these brains! Is your brain "Wired?" Can you see and feel the divine? Or is it that you WANT to feel and see the devine?
Hehe, this one I will openly Laugh at!!! 88% of Americans Believe in god because they have been TAUGHT and CONDITIONED to!!! There is no special wiring involved here. Its very simple. So are the 99.9% of Afghani's "wired" to believe in there religion? Were they designed that way? Or what about the ancient Egyptians? Were they "wired" to worshop Ra? Are all of these brains "formed and shaped for a reason" or is it evolution? Hmmm? Obviously the brain has gone through some major changes in the last few thousands of years....So were they "wired" before? Are brains are still changing....Hmmm, whats going on here?
You see, thats why I think religion and The belief in god steps in and polutes the mind! You see, once you say I believe in god, you also say I do not know what that is, I will never be able to know what that is and I am uncapable of knowing. Just like things in life. Theists have always, and will always accept things as an act of god....By you saying that are brains are "wired" Its clear that your just making shit up or you heard this somewhere. And even if you truely believe this, that leaves things in your life that will never be answered.
Your quote from Einstein did nothing at all, so I will reply with another..."A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein
God proves the authority of the bible? Please explain.
Why does a 2000 year old book still hold autorative status in america today? Well, fist off, its not 2000 years, but I see what your getting at. Well, my friend, hehe, the bible is still around today because it is the choice religion in our soiciety. Let me see, an old folk tale for example. Some of those folk tales have actually lasted longer then your religion. Now after time, this tale gets told over and over and over. In the end the story is completely different. Characters change, mountains move, etc. Just like your bible. Bits and peaces survived, things were retold, stories changed, parts were rewriten, etc. whos to say whats real and whats not? No one knows
Your religion would not be around today if it wasnt for certain events that happened in rome....Hehe, study that shit. The so called "Jesus" wasnt the first man to claim he was gods son at that time, nor was he the last. Real briefly, off the top of my head, (I may be wrong about this) It wasnt until Augustine(sp) made christianity the official religion in rome. If this one man had not believed in christianity, you my friend, would most likely not be a believer.
Now you see, I can go on and on about this. Just because the majority of people believe in something, that doesnt mean its right or true...It wasnt that long ago when the majority of white people in america called blacks "niggers". It wasnt that long ago when the majority of whites, (the ones that could afford it) had slaves. It wasnt that long ago that the majority of americans thought is was right to put "Japs" in camps. Do you get my point? The majority of the people in america NEVER thought for themselves. They had others do it for them.
I answer questions when I have time. If I have not answered any questions I appoligize....I work, go to school, and have a busy social life. If I take long, sorry. Like I said before, this thread was intended for foetwins bitch ass, so I did purposely not answer any questions for awhile. Now that I know what kind of person he is, I will respond to anyone.
@Heresy, I will respond to you tonight, I just need a little brake.
@Pitty, I will answer your question as soon as you answer mine. And please dont say this was your answer,
@Basically,
Was this thread intended to disprove god? NO
I dont care "so much". Like I said to you before, THIS THREAD WAS DIRECTED AT FOETWIN. I can careless what you believe.
Read previous statemnets......But, there is a flip side to that as well....The same goes for you.....Why do sit here and talk about it?
Ok, you did some research huh? What research was that? You studied the bible? How did you find out there was a god? You didnt, you can only say "I BELIEVE there is a god." You dont know for a fact. Oh, and you dont need science huh? Well if it wasnt for Science you wouldnt know for a fact that the sun will rise again tomorrow. It is BECAUSE of science that we know it will. Without that, we would wounder how it magically appears everyday and why it disapears at night. Without science, everything in your life would be different. Science has Destroyed thousands of gods before, and Im sure one day, it will destroy yours as well.
Why? Because they are Theists! Because they "Believe."
Hmmmm, hehe. The brain is "wired" to see the devine?!!!? Why isnt my brain "wired?" What about Einstein's brain, Abraham Lincolns brain? The millions of other brains? No special wiring in these brains! Is your brain "Wired?" Can you see and feel the divine? Or is it that you WANT to feel and see the devine?
Hehe, this one I will openly Laugh at!!! 88% of Americans Believe in god because they have been TAUGHT and CONDITIONED to!!! There is no special wiring involved here. Its very simple. So are the 99.9% of Afghani's "wired" to believe in there religion? Were they designed that way? Or what about the ancient Egyptians? Were they "wired" to worshop Ra? Are all of these brains "formed and shaped for a reason" or is it evolution? Hmmm? Obviously the brain has gone through some major changes in the last few thousands of years....So were they "wired" before? Are brains are still changing....Hmmm, whats going on here?
You see, thats why I think religion and The belief in god steps in and polutes the mind! You see, once you say I believe in god, you also say I do not know what that is, I will never be able to know what that is and I am uncapable of knowing. Just like things in life. Theists have always, and will always accept things as an act of god....By you saying that are brains are "wired" Its clear that your just making shit up or you heard this somewhere. And even if you truely believe this, that leaves things in your life that will never be answered.
Your quote from Einstein did nothing at all, so I will reply with another..."A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein
God proves the authority of the bible? Please explain.
Why does a 2000 year old book still hold autorative status in america today? Well, fist off, its not 2000 years, but I see what your getting at. Well, my friend, hehe, the bible is still around today because it is the choice religion in our soiciety. Let me see, an old folk tale for example. Some of those folk tales have actually lasted longer then your religion. Now after time, this tale gets told over and over and over. In the end the story is completely different. Characters change, mountains move, etc. Just like your bible. Bits and peaces survived, things were retold, stories changed, parts were rewriten, etc. whos to say whats real and whats not? No one knows
Your religion would not be around today if it wasnt for certain events that happened in rome....Hehe, study that shit. The so called "Jesus" wasnt the first man to claim he was gods son at that time, nor was he the last. Real briefly, off the top of my head, (I may be wrong about this) It wasnt until Augustine(sp) made christianity the official religion in rome. If this one man had not believed in christianity, you my friend, would most likely not be a believer.
Now you see, I can go on and on about this. Just because the majority of people believe in something, that doesnt mean its right or true...It wasnt that long ago when the majority of white people in america called blacks "niggers". It wasnt that long ago when the majority of whites, (the ones that could afford it) had slaves. It wasnt that long ago that the majority of americans thought is was right to put "Japs" in camps. Do you get my point? The majority of the people in america NEVER thought for themselves. They had others do it for them.
I answer questions when I have time. If I have not answered any questions I appoligize....I work, go to school, and have a busy social life. If I take long, sorry. Like I said before, this thread was intended for foetwins bitch ass, so I did purposely not answer any questions for awhile. Now that I know what kind of person he is, I will respond to anyone.
@Heresy, I will respond to you tonight, I just need a little brake.
@Heresy, you too have left some of my questions unanswered.
I never said you can disprove god. But, I did ask if there was a rational reason why you believe in god. Now, What are your reasons? To believe in something with NO proof or evidence is IRRATIONAL. Tell me some proof. Tell me some evidence. Untill then, I can say that you are acting irrational.
If I were to just wake up tomorrow and tell myself that Im going to believe in a tooth fairy without any reasons or evidence that this exists, then I would be acting irrational.
Yes, I see your point. But, Im sure a serial killer may think its logical or rational to kill others....I suggest heresy, you study the word Epistemology.....And hopefully then, you might understand a little better...
Do I believe everything with proof? Hmmm, yes and no. It depends on the situation, of course. When we discuss things of science or nature, then yes. When we speak of a trial, for example, the O.J. case, then no.
Quick answer. No. But I dont know this for certain.
Yes, I am familiar with the theory. But, I do believe the more we learn about this theory, the more we tap into "black holes" for example and other amazing things, I believe we will be alot closer of knowing the truth then ever before, and I do believe, god is not part of that truth.
I never said you can disprove god. But, I did ask if there was a rational reason why you believe in god. Now, What are your reasons? To believe in something with NO proof or evidence is IRRATIONAL. Tell me some proof. Tell me some evidence. Untill then, I can say that you are acting irrational.
If I were to just wake up tomorrow and tell myself that Im going to believe in a tooth fairy without any reasons or evidence that this exists, then I would be acting irrational.
Yes, I see your point. But, Im sure a serial killer may think its logical or rational to kill others....I suggest heresy, you study the word Epistemology.....And hopefully then, you might understand a little better...
Do I believe everything with proof? Hmmm, yes and no. It depends on the situation, of course. When we discuss things of science or nature, then yes. When we speak of a trial, for example, the O.J. case, then no.
Quick answer. No. But I dont know this for certain.
Yes, I am familiar with the theory. But, I do believe the more we learn about this theory, the more we tap into "black holes" for example and other amazing things, I believe we will be alot closer of knowing the truth then ever before, and I do believe, god is not part of that truth.
Another thing I have forgot to mention long ago, is that when we debate and discuss "god" we need to have an understanding of some type of definition. If someone were to say, (and i've heard this before) "god is everything". well, how can I argue about that. But if someone is to say, "god is all knowing and all powerfull" then I can easily step in and argue.
I think alot of you fail to recognize that most of you have different definitions of god. And because of that, the term "god" can be very difficult to discuss.
What I'am debating on this thread, is the Christian god. So, with that said; continue the debate.
I think alot of you fail to recognize that most of you have different definitions of god. And because of that, the term "god" can be very difficult to discuss.
What I'am debating on this thread, is the Christian god. So, with that said; continue the debate.
@2-0-sixx-If you would have read on you would have seen my answer.
That's why I said it is the only thing to do. It's the only way of life in my opinion. I can't see going through life not having God in your life. It would just seem so empty and lonely. I believe in ABBA because I feel it in my heart. That is why. Now answer mine.
please break it down for me, why are you an Atheist?
That's why I said it is the only thing to do. It's the only way of life in my opinion. I can't see going through life not having God in your life. It would just seem so empty and lonely. I believe in ABBA because I feel it in my heart. That is why. Now answer mine.
please break it down for me, why are you an Atheist?
WHAT QUESTIONS?
ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE *NO* "PHYSICAL" EVIDENCE OF A "GOD" SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CANNOT STUDY GOD IN A *CONTROLLED* ENVIRONMENT. YOU CANT TEST IT,YOU CANT SUBJECT IT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS. WITH THAT BEING SAID YOU HAVE TO GO ON OTHER THINGS. TANGIBLE EVIDENCE OF CERTAIN THINGS IN THE BIBLE EXIST. HOWEVER ONE CAN APPLY THAT TO GOD IF THEY WISH TO OR NOT. ***EXPERIENCE*** IS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER.
SO IF SOMEONE WAS DYING, SAW A LIGHT AND SPOKE TO A HOLY BEING DOES THAT PERSONS EXPERIENCE GET TOSSED OUT?
YOU DONT HAVE PROOF THAT GOD DOESNT EXIST YET YOU BELIEVE THAT HE DOESNT.
PEOPLE TAKE THE BIBLE AS PROOF OF A DIVINE FIGURE,THEY ALSO TAKE ESCHATOLOGY AND APPLY IT TO WHATS GOING ON TODAY. HOW IS THAT IRRATIONAL?
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD JUST DONT WAKE UP AND SAY "IM GOING TO BELIEVE IN GOD" LMAO!!!!!!!!! IT HAS TO DO WITH THE *EXPERIENCE*. DID YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH THE TOOTH FAIRY? ITS FOLLY TO COMPARE THE TOOTH FAIRY TO GOD. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE DEALING WITH PHILOSOPHY (WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THEOLOGY). WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE NATURE OF KNOWLEDGE. WE ARE DISCUSSING WHY A PERSON BELIEVES IN GOD. CAN YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON THE CONNECTION?
NOW YOU SAID THAT THIS THREAD WAS DIRECTED AT 4 TWIN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE START OF THE THREAD YOU SAID ANYONE COULD TAKE PART.
YOU SAID THIS 206 HOW CAN SCIENCE DISPROVE GOD IF SCIENCE CANT TEST IT? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SCIENCE AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS? IF I TOLD YOU I SPOKE TO GOD MYSELF IS THAT ENOUGH PROOF FOR YOU? THATS IF YOU DONT HAVE A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH GOD. I NEVER SAID I DONT KNOW WHAT GOD IS OR I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO KNOW. YOU CAN DIE AND THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. DONT SAY "THEIST HAVE ALWAYS". YOU HAVE NO RECORD OF ALL THEIST CLAIMING THAT EVERYTHING IS AN ACT OF GOD. DO YOU MEAN THE HOLY BIBLE AS A WHOLE OR PARTS OF IT? ACTUALLY PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY ARE THE CHOICE RELIGION OF SOCIETY.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE CLAIMED TO BE A SON OF A GOD (RAMSES) OR THE SON OF SOME OTHER DIETY. HOWEVER WHAT PERSON IN RECORDED HISTORY HAS CLAIMED TO BE THE ***MASHIACH***(BEFORE JESUS)???? WHAT PERSON CLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF YHWH??? THE TERM CHRISTIAN WAS FIRST USED IN ANTIOCH. ORIGINAL FOLLOWERS OF YESHUA WERE CALLED "FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY" OR "PEOPLE OF THE WAY". SO TO SAY THAT SOMEONE WOULD OR WOULDNT BELIEVE BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF AUGUSTINE IS MADNESS........
EXCUSE ALL TYPOS.
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APOSTATE
ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE *NO* "PHYSICAL" EVIDENCE OF A "GOD" SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CANNOT STUDY GOD IN A *CONTROLLED* ENVIRONMENT. YOU CANT TEST IT,YOU CANT SUBJECT IT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS. WITH THAT BEING SAID YOU HAVE TO GO ON OTHER THINGS. TANGIBLE EVIDENCE OF CERTAIN THINGS IN THE BIBLE EXIST. HOWEVER ONE CAN APPLY THAT TO GOD IF THEY WISH TO OR NOT. ***EXPERIENCE*** IS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER.
SO IF SOMEONE WAS DYING, SAW A LIGHT AND SPOKE TO A HOLY BEING DOES THAT PERSONS EXPERIENCE GET TOSSED OUT?
YOU DONT HAVE PROOF THAT GOD DOESNT EXIST YET YOU BELIEVE THAT HE DOESNT.
PEOPLE TAKE THE BIBLE AS PROOF OF A DIVINE FIGURE,THEY ALSO TAKE ESCHATOLOGY AND APPLY IT TO WHATS GOING ON TODAY. HOW IS THAT IRRATIONAL?
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD JUST DONT WAKE UP AND SAY "IM GOING TO BELIEVE IN GOD" LMAO!!!!!!!!! IT HAS TO DO WITH THE *EXPERIENCE*. DID YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH THE TOOTH FAIRY? ITS FOLLY TO COMPARE THE TOOTH FAIRY TO GOD. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE DEALING WITH PHILOSOPHY (WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THEOLOGY). WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE NATURE OF KNOWLEDGE. WE ARE DISCUSSING WHY A PERSON BELIEVES IN GOD. CAN YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON THE CONNECTION?
NOW YOU SAID THAT THIS THREAD WAS DIRECTED AT 4 TWIN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE START OF THE THREAD YOU SAID ANYONE COULD TAKE PART.
YOU SAID THIS 206 HOW CAN SCIENCE DISPROVE GOD IF SCIENCE CANT TEST IT? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SCIENCE AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS? IF I TOLD YOU I SPOKE TO GOD MYSELF IS THAT ENOUGH PROOF FOR YOU? THATS IF YOU DONT HAVE A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH GOD. I NEVER SAID I DONT KNOW WHAT GOD IS OR I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO KNOW. YOU CAN DIE AND THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. DONT SAY "THEIST HAVE ALWAYS". YOU HAVE NO RECORD OF ALL THEIST CLAIMING THAT EVERYTHING IS AN ACT OF GOD. DO YOU MEAN THE HOLY BIBLE AS A WHOLE OR PARTS OF IT? ACTUALLY PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY ARE THE CHOICE RELIGION OF SOCIETY.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE CLAIMED TO BE A SON OF A GOD (RAMSES) OR THE SON OF SOME OTHER DIETY. HOWEVER WHAT PERSON IN RECORDED HISTORY HAS CLAIMED TO BE THE ***MASHIACH***(BEFORE JESUS)???? WHAT PERSON CLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF YHWH??? THE TERM CHRISTIAN WAS FIRST USED IN ANTIOCH. ORIGINAL FOLLOWERS OF YESHUA WERE CALLED "FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY" OR "PEOPLE OF THE WAY". SO TO SAY THAT SOMEONE WOULD OR WOULDNT BELIEVE BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF AUGUSTINE IS MADNESS........
EXCUSE ALL TYPOS.
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I will make this quick. Who can you trust other then yourself and your emotions? Your brain I feel is wired to do certain operations and has certain limitations. Does it not? So once again. Science cannot tell me if I am hungry or not. How can you argue aggainst that?
Another point you said about what about Albert Einstiens brain and Lincolns. They believed in God. They just didn't believe in religion. God and religion are two diffrent things.
Where is my research you ask. I have tons of books I have read or checked out from the libary. Thats beyond the point. My life has been my testimony to the belief in God. History is all based upon and around the providence of God.
And you say well white people used to call black people the n word. Which is true. But it was later to be found that in fact it was incorrect to do so. What help bring down the walls of segergation and racism? Yes, religon.
No, I don't go around believing in what others do. I do my own thing. I know that 8-10 people believe in God. Just cause they believe in God one way does not mean I have to. I am not dumb. I think for myself. I just feel it justifies that I am not talking about something which I can't relate to others about. What would you rather have on a test 8-10 or 2-10?
God speaks God. Just cause you can't understand it does not mean you can argue it does not exist. You can't speak Spanish but you can't dispute that it doesnt exist.
And you say my religion. Like I got to choose it. I didn't choose my beliefs, my beliefs chose me. Think about it.
Since you have read the Bible. Please tell us how Jesus was irrational.
Another point you said about what about Albert Einstiens brain and Lincolns. They believed in God. They just didn't believe in religion. God and religion are two diffrent things.
Where is my research you ask. I have tons of books I have read or checked out from the libary. Thats beyond the point. My life has been my testimony to the belief in God. History is all based upon and around the providence of God.
And you say well white people used to call black people the n word. Which is true. But it was later to be found that in fact it was incorrect to do so. What help bring down the walls of segergation and racism? Yes, religon.
No, I don't go around believing in what others do. I do my own thing. I know that 8-10 people believe in God. Just cause they believe in God one way does not mean I have to. I am not dumb. I think for myself. I just feel it justifies that I am not talking about something which I can't relate to others about. What would you rather have on a test 8-10 or 2-10?
God speaks God. Just cause you can't understand it does not mean you can argue it does not exist. You can't speak Spanish but you can't dispute that it doesnt exist.
And you say my religion. Like I got to choose it. I didn't choose my beliefs, my beliefs chose me. Think about it.
Since you have read the Bible. Please tell us how Jesus was irrational.
first off, a person that trust there emotions looks past a lot of facts and is blind to the truth, emotions will cloud your thinking. and to tell you the truth i have other PEOPLE in my life that i can trust, these people in my life will help me if i am in need, maybe you should look into others for trust and not something you cant see and that in reality will do nothing for you but make you feel emotional as if you were touched by something, some of us dont need that.
no it does not
the only wiring that your brain goes through is what you have been taught (or in many religious cases "brainwashed")
Where did you come up with this brain wire theory? I would love for you to expand on it.
You bet your hungry ass that science can tell if you are hungry with a few test. this makes no sense.
Again, please explain what you are talking about? because this makes no sense, what test are you taking.
LMAO, WOW, you finally found what language god speaks huh?, and to top it all off his language is the same as his name. give me a fucking break, stop making shit up to sound like your educated. where are you getting this shit. WE can all hear spanish maybe not understand it but hear it. does that make any sense to you.
Hmmm, i beg to differ. you sound like a Robot that is under someones control. YES you do have a choice, YES you do choose your beliefs, if not i would still be Catholic. But i opened my mind and eyes and realized its a bunch of bullshit. and then you say "THINK ABOUT IT" maybe you should take your own advice homie and start thinking for yourself and stop saying you have no choice.
no it does not
the only wiring that your brain goes through is what you have been taught (or in many religious cases "brainwashed")
Where did you come up with this brain wire theory? I would love for you to expand on it.
You bet your hungry ass that science can tell if you are hungry with a few test. this makes no sense.
Again, please explain what you are talking about? because this makes no sense, what test are you taking.
LMAO, WOW, you finally found what language god speaks huh?, and to top it all off his language is the same as his name. give me a fucking break, stop making shit up to sound like your educated. where are you getting this shit. WE can all hear spanish maybe not understand it but hear it. does that make any sense to you.
Hmmm, i beg to differ. you sound like a Robot that is under someones control. YES you do have a choice, YES you do choose your beliefs, if not i would still be Catholic. But i opened my mind and eyes and realized its a bunch of bullshit. and then you say "THINK ABOUT IT" maybe you should take your own advice homie and start thinking for yourself and stop saying you have no choice.
Heresy, Please tell me how you speak to god? Does he talk back to you? Are you sure the voice you hear isnt just the voice in the back of your head?
Ok then, well, if you cant study it, you can only go by "experiences" What experiences have you had? You believe in your god because people in the past claimed that he did exist. That my friend, is irrational. Unless, like you say, you have some type of other source for your knowledge of god, which Iam very cerious in learning about......Explain it to us all, Heresy.
Stop dancing around the questions and tell us.
Ok then, well, if you cant study it, you can only go by "experiences" What experiences have you had? You believe in your god because people in the past claimed that he did exist. That my friend, is irrational. Unless, like you say, you have some type of other source for your knowledge of god, which Iam very cerious in learning about......Explain it to us all, Heresy.
Stop dancing around the questions and tell us.
No,no,no. Someone please tell me where this kid came from seriously. Welcome to the discussion Dosia. I am glad that you can enlighten us on your objective opinon and please my eyes with the poor use of English grammar. If I were a teacher I would take your paper and give you a 2 out of 10(which I was refering to in the other post) for poor grammer. Terrible puncuation. Starting a sentence with the word "and", oohh very bad. Telling me I am un-educated..... Mabey you were lazy. I will give you the benifit of the doubt. I am not going to tear you down for it because I used to write the same way.
You start me off on the wrong foot. But I will be forgiving and let you voice your opinion. Your entitled to that. I will expand on each one of your blurts of criticism.
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Ask the black slaves who they trusted when they were being whipped by their slave masters. Ask them who they trusted. They white farmer? They were all seperated from there familes when they hit the shores of Virgina. They were seperated because they posed a threat to the dominate white anglo-saxsons. Ask them who they trusted when they had nobody. Except God. Pick up a History book. Look at Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Ghandi.
[ So you are taught to sleep? today in first grade we will be taught to sleep, breath and have our heart beat all simutaniously. I was not taught that. Oh yes I got the information from a Readers Digest by in a article by Vince Rause. And he uses information from a professor from the University of Pennsylvania. Please do not question the credibility of Readers Digest. The magazine is published all over the world.
So Science can read my mind? Science can tell me how I feel. What I do, who I love. Who I don't love. I didn't know Science could messure the soul. What is the soul Dosia? where is it? can it be messured scientifically? My soul and my emotions make us who we are. Or are you just Dosia from San Jose, Ca? there is more to you then science can tell us. Right?
I must go I dont have time to finish. Ill be back to edit this message......
You start me off on the wrong foot. But I will be forgiving and let you voice your opinion. Your entitled to that. I will expand on each one of your blurts of criticism.
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Ask the black slaves who they trusted when they were being whipped by their slave masters. Ask them who they trusted. They white farmer? They were all seperated from there familes when they hit the shores of Virgina. They were seperated because they posed a threat to the dominate white anglo-saxsons. Ask them who they trusted when they had nobody. Except God. Pick up a History book. Look at Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Ghandi.
[ So you are taught to sleep? today in first grade we will be taught to sleep, breath and have our heart beat all simutaniously. I was not taught that. Oh yes I got the information from a Readers Digest by in a article by Vince Rause. And he uses information from a professor from the University of Pennsylvania. Please do not question the credibility of Readers Digest. The magazine is published all over the world.
So Science can read my mind? Science can tell me how I feel. What I do, who I love. Who I don't love. I didn't know Science could messure the soul. What is the soul Dosia? where is it? can it be messured scientifically? My soul and my emotions make us who we are. Or are you just Dosia from San Jose, Ca? there is more to you then science can tell us. Right?
I must go I dont have time to finish. Ill be back to edit this message......
@basically, since there have been a couple quotes from this man, I'll add another;
"Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."
-Albert Einstein
First off, criticizing a reply based on grammar, spelling or whatever is very hypercritical of you, since you have many errors in your posts as well. We all do, this is not an English class.
Next, your example of slaves, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and Gandhi has no meaning what so ever. I can care less what the hell they believed in. Yes, they believed in god, and maybe they even trusted god. False hope my friend. God didn’t help the slaves. God didn’t do anything for them except maybe the belief in god gave them a small sense that "everything will be all right" when they die. Which only makes a man wish for death. God didn’t help Malcolm or martin they helped themselves.
Hehe, real cute. What dosia was OBVIOUSLY talking about was in fact the statements you made earlier about how humans are "wired" to know god. Don’t sit there and act as if that’s not the case. Your lame attempt of making Dosia seem dumb did not fool me.
Why don’t you tell us about this soul? How do you know it exists?
What is this meaningless word? Soul?
What is love? Can science explain it? Yes
Can science read your mind? In some ways, yes.
Will science be able to read your mind in the future? Most likely, Yes.
You see...Your name fits very well for you. Basically. Basic. Basic mind. Simple mind, even. You’re not looking at the big picture. Science can explain an infinite amount of things. Give science a little more time, and who knows what it will be able to explain.
You see, you have asked me in the past why I discuss religion or god. Well, quite honestly, I believe the belief corrupts the mind. I believe, with religion gone.....Humans will be able to advance rapidly. The world we know it today, the world that is sicc and cruel, will be gone, and a new one will emerge. Discussing these topics give me a better understanding of what goes on in the mind of the Theist. I have no desire in changing any ones beliefs. Change is up to the individual; you know that quite well don’t you?
This thread has proven to me once again what I already know. What it boils down to is that the theist believes in god because they've been taught to, or because they want to believe. No solid reasons. No logic involved.
Forget the majority of america....Your 88%. I can give a shit less about the people of america....The majority that is. Who the fuck are they? Are they intelligent? Do they think for themselves? No. They are basically a bunch of sheep that follow the heard, unaware of whats really going on. Do I blame them for that, absolutely not. My point is, proving something with the "majority rules" method has never been a way of solving problems and should definitely not apply when speaking of something as enormous as god. Your wiring theory is garbage and I’m sure you didn’t put much time and effort when thinking of that.
Again, all of these pages and not one logical reason to believe in god. That includes everyone who has participated in this thread, even you heresy. I'm tired of people dancing around the questions while asking their own little questions. If you want to be heard, then come with an answer. Explain it to us. Thats it, simple as that.
"Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."
-Albert Einstein
First off, criticizing a reply based on grammar, spelling or whatever is very hypercritical of you, since you have many errors in your posts as well. We all do, this is not an English class.
Next, your example of slaves, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and Gandhi has no meaning what so ever. I can care less what the hell they believed in. Yes, they believed in god, and maybe they even trusted god. False hope my friend. God didn’t help the slaves. God didn’t do anything for them except maybe the belief in god gave them a small sense that "everything will be all right" when they die. Which only makes a man wish for death. God didn’t help Malcolm or martin they helped themselves.
Hehe, real cute. What dosia was OBVIOUSLY talking about was in fact the statements you made earlier about how humans are "wired" to know god. Don’t sit there and act as if that’s not the case. Your lame attempt of making Dosia seem dumb did not fool me.
Why don’t you tell us about this soul? How do you know it exists?
What is this meaningless word? Soul?
What is love? Can science explain it? Yes
Can science read your mind? In some ways, yes.
Will science be able to read your mind in the future? Most likely, Yes.
You see...Your name fits very well for you. Basically. Basic. Basic mind. Simple mind, even. You’re not looking at the big picture. Science can explain an infinite amount of things. Give science a little more time, and who knows what it will be able to explain.
You see, you have asked me in the past why I discuss religion or god. Well, quite honestly, I believe the belief corrupts the mind. I believe, with religion gone.....Humans will be able to advance rapidly. The world we know it today, the world that is sicc and cruel, will be gone, and a new one will emerge. Discussing these topics give me a better understanding of what goes on in the mind of the Theist. I have no desire in changing any ones beliefs. Change is up to the individual; you know that quite well don’t you?
This thread has proven to me once again what I already know. What it boils down to is that the theist believes in god because they've been taught to, or because they want to believe. No solid reasons. No logic involved.
Forget the majority of america....Your 88%. I can give a shit less about the people of america....The majority that is. Who the fuck are they? Are they intelligent? Do they think for themselves? No. They are basically a bunch of sheep that follow the heard, unaware of whats really going on. Do I blame them for that, absolutely not. My point is, proving something with the "majority rules" method has never been a way of solving problems and should definitely not apply when speaking of something as enormous as god. Your wiring theory is garbage and I’m sure you didn’t put much time and effort when thinking of that.
Again, all of these pages and not one logical reason to believe in god. That includes everyone who has participated in this thread, even you heresy. I'm tired of people dancing around the questions while asking their own little questions. If you want to be heard, then come with an answer. Explain it to us. Thats it, simple as that.
