Why do you believe in god?

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n9newunsixx5150

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TO: 2-0-Sixx:

Your question doesn't really dwell in the realm of whether God exists or not, it dwells in the realm of your denial of a biblical description of God. The bible has its contradictions and paradoxes. It is but one study of God. If its easier for you, think of God as the computer monitor right in front of you. You don't have to worship this God. The idea of God is the philosophical idea of an absolute. It is philosophically correct. Whether you believe God is an old man sitting in a throne, a computer monitor, or a giant electron. There is an absolute. It is not faulty for us to try to attribute qualities of goodness and growth to God, because growing is what we do. God in the pure absolute perspective is that old man, that computer monitor and that electron plus everything else you can and can't see and everything else you know or do not know. Also, the mere fact that we are conversing about God states that we have, in mind, seperated God from all other things. This is God, right in front of you. It is the unity behind all things. You are rebelling the bible, not God. You are rebelling the attempts to attribute human characteristics unto God. God is God. We establish human characteristics to God to have a closer relationship to the absolute. It is niether completely right nor completely wrong to do this. I already know you believe in God because you are staring at God as you read this message. As we are doing now, is as what the bible does. We seperate the idea of God from all other things, from ourselves, to try to learn how God is. When, in fact, it is fine to do this, if we do not see the unity behind God and the rest of existence we fall faulty to a half-wise perspective. Where we put our faith isn't in the old man, monitor, or electron; its in that which we cannot see, that which we do not know. In an infinite existence not only are all things possible and only probable to a certain degree, they are possible and probable and actually did, do, or will exist in this world or in another. So, to have faith in that which cannot be seen isn't truly of ignorance. It is our heritage. As the mind accepts these things no longer can we discriminate whether there is or is not a God. It matters not.
 
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Wow. Is all can pretty much say. This man has knowledge. I am truly happy to see another thinker to join the discussion. A critical thinker who takes himself away from the issues and takes an objective view. Welcome to the discusion n9newunsixx5150.


" So, to have faith in that which cannot be seen isn't truly of ignorance. It is our heritage."

if we do not see the unity behind God and the rest of existence we fall faulty to a half-wise perspective"

It is philosophically correct


Well said...
 
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"Organize the wealth into a Socialist economy. A way of life based on the commen needs, "

Take a look at Tibet and how Communist China is destroying a peacfull way of life. A way of life that is all based on common neeeds. They do not worship a God like Theists, they are metaphysical philosophy of life. Same goes for the Indegenous religions of the Native Americans. Look how the American goverment has surpressed the Native Americans and are still forced to face the consequences. Similar to what is un-folding in Tibet currently.


I will also add that, I do not feel any human can disprove the superiorty of Metaphysics, Epistemology and Ethics.
 
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Regarding my last message.....
I would like to take the time to explain to those Christians out there that might have read my message and feel offended. I did not say these things to put down the bible in any sense. I came from an objective point because I felt that approach would be better toward the person it was meant for. Plus, I used to be an athiest. I know the Bible holds a special place in its teachings. But it is better to be able to identify with the person you are speaking to. If I had came straight forward with excerpts from the Bible, it probably wouldn't get him to thinking about the issue as an objective approach might. The real reason I am writing this is because I have a friend who read this, and I think he felt his beliefs were offended. I have nothing against the bible. We all must approach truth relative to our own minds.
 
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Mam, if you believe in something so much, of course your going to find something. There is bloodshed all the time dawg, you know this. If I say I had a dream that told me there was going to be massive deaths in a week, all I would need to do is pick up a newspaper to find death. Yo, I believe you when you say you hear this from YHWH. Im sure you believe this. That doesnt meen I should.
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1.I NEVER SAID YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDNT BELIEVE ANYTHING. YUO CAN BELIEVE THAT WALKING STICKS SERVE STEAK PIPING HOT EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT. IF THATS WHAT YOU BELIEVE THATS WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

2.IF YOU DID TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT HAVING A DREAM I WOULD PRAY ABOUT IT FIRST.

3.OCTOBER HAS BEEN THE DEADLIEST MONTH OF THE YEAR SO FAR.

4.A PROPHET IS KNOWN BY HIS MESSAGE.
A)WARNING
B)REPENTENCE
C)JUDGEMENT

IF YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THESE THRE THINGS YOU ARE SUSPECT.

5.I WILL TRY *EVERY* SPIRIT OR BREATH THAT SPEAKS. YOU SAY YOU HAD A DREAM. I WILL ASK YOU A CERTAIN QUESTION. ITS VERY SIMPLE.
I know this. I know what your name means. But you do have your own religios beliefs...Its all good. I dont care what you believe in. I disagree with alot of it, but I also agree with alot too.
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RELIGIOUS WOULD BE AS A SCRIBE. OR ONE WHO IS TRYING TO DO GOOD. THINKING THAT WILL LAND HIM IN SOME PLACE CALLED HEAVEN. I HAVE A FAITH. I HAVE A LIFESTYLE.
Well, if you think this is picking apart, then maybe...but I dont see it that way...Just talkin....
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NO NOT AT ALL.
So, let me ask you...Are there selected individuals that are the spirit of YHWY or can you become one somehow? So obviously I'm not one, but does that mean I can never become? See I dont like that at all. That would be a sick god if that was the case. Only a few will be rewarded. The rest punished.
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MANY ARE CALLED. FEW ARE CHOSEN. IF YOU SEEK YHWH AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.......YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER.


WHAT I SUGGEST TO *ANYONE* WHO WANTS TO SEE IF THIS IS VALID OR SUCH AND SUCH A CONTRADICTION OR YADA YADA YADA IS THIS.

GET YOURSELF A GREEK LEXICON AND STONGS CONCORDENCE. BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE GREEK AND HEBREW LANGUAGE. START WITH A KJV BIBLE AND ***STUDY IT***. WORK YOUR WAY BACKWARDS FROM THE KJV TO THE VULGATE TO THE SEPTUIGANT.
AFTER THAT STUDY THE TEXTUS RECPTUS MAJOR AND MINOR.

FROM THAT POINT STUDY OTHER SECTARIAN WRITINGS.

YOU HAVE TO READ FOR *YOURSELF*.

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2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

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@n9newunsixx,
Once again you have not answered the question. Let me ask again, "why do you believe in god?"

You seem to have a great knowledge of the "unknowable"

@Basic,

Why did you quote my sig? What does my communist beliefs have to do with this thread?
 
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It has nothing to do with this thread. I just have been learning about Tibet and thought it might spark some intrest. Atleast for me.

I can also offer some litature on the Rationality of Religious Belief. That is only if you want to read it...do you? I can make it available online.
 
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n9newunsixx5150

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@2-0-Sixx

I have answered your question, 2-0-Sixx. Its really not me that you're concerned with. If you are seeking answers you will find them. The only thing I did was give a new perspective on, perhaps, how you define God. Like I said in my message; the absolute is philosophically correct. If you are looking for a reconciliation between science and spirituality, I can refer you to a good book. "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra, has many good points. It shows the parallels between modern physics and eastern mysticism. As far as me knowing the "unkowable".......... I know what can be known. God is not purely unknowable. If God was, we wouldn't be talking about this subject. The whole concept of God would be beyond our understanding. But, obviously it isn't. Understanding God, in our perspective, is an eternal growing of truth. All we can do is continue our growth for greater truths.................................WUN
 
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@2-0-Sixx

I already did. Or better yet, I brought forth a new perspective of God. Because in all actuality, there is no one definition of God. Sorry I couldn't just lay it down for you simpler. This is just how it is. God is what you know. God is what you don't know. Like I said, by merely speaking on this topic we have divided reality from itself. As the bible puts it; divided a house against itself. To speak of God as observers we have seperated the absolute from the relative. And, like I've said before, this isn't neccessarily a bad thing. Its just that we must remember what reality is. A whole. There isn't one reality here and another over there. There is one, and we merely touch upon bits and pieces of that one. Any way we look at it there is no true argument in this disscussion. Its all half-wise concepts that are both true and false in some perspective. Thats my point. I believe this is the reason I started the thread, "why do we create opposition amongst each other and our ideas?". Because the reality of things isn't one side or the other. Its both sides, together. Co-existing with each other not opposing. I know how fun it is to argue points. I don't mean to ruin that. I used to be an Athiest. I used to love inducing these types of conversations. Well, I still like talking about the topic. But now, because I am no longer representing one half of the whole, I can't really argue any one point. Because I don't disagree with any of them. I am not trying to convert you. Just showing you another perspective. I identified that you are against a God described in the bible and I just made clear that that one description is but one finite concept of an infinite being. I could either speak of reconciliation or I could just not join the discussion. I choose to put in my 2 cents. If you feel you can learn something from it, good. I always learn something from others when discussing these things. And occassionally I learn something from myself. I have enjoyed this thread so far. If you have anything to add to what I am saying I would like to hear it...................................WUN
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

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I understand that you are trying to add a new perspective of god. I also understand that you cannot truly define god. (I'm not saying that you should be able to.) The reason I asked for a description of god, and perhaps I should have been clearer, is so that we could have some kind of understanding. How can I argue against "God is what you know. God is what you don't know"???

You said you were previously an Atheist. How and why did you transform your beliefs? There must be reasons.

Just like the other thread, you never answered my questions. Why do you believe in god? Why? That’s all. It’s incredibly simple. If there are no facts, no reasons, no supporting evidence, then why would you believe? Do you have some information that millions of others do not have? What are your reasons?

That was the point of this thread. Not, what is god? Not, where is god? Only, why do you believe? Nowhere have you answered those questions.

Again, I recognize you’re trying to add a new perspective. That’s fine. But frankly, if you do not answer my questions I will be forced to believe that you are acting irrationally.

I would like to tell you that I too find many of these conversations pointless. I engage myself into discussions on this board largely for entertainment purposes. The few minutes that we humans have to communicate in this fucked up world we live in can be used either for information or pleasure. I use my time on this site for both. I am glad you have joined this site; so far what you have added has been quite interesting. I’m very curious on what you will respond with.
 
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