Why do you believe in god?

[n9newunsixx5150]

I know why you want a single definition of God. Thats why I stated that I have no argument for you. I can't give you a definition. What I am suggesting to you is that you try not to bound the idea of an infinite existence to a finite concept. This is why I apologized in my last post for not "playing along". I really have no point to argue. As long as you insist on a single definiton of God we will never be on the same understanding. The only real difference between me when I was athiest and me now is that I am not going to sit here and deny any part of reality. Each concept of God from each religion is but a perspective of some truth. Its not about whether God exists or not. This is your reality and it is whatever you want to call it. Its whatever concepts you put into it. If it makes you understand what I am saying better I will use the word "existence" instead of "God". They are pretty much interchangable. I believe in existence. That's God. That one Biblical idea of God you may be thinking of is obviously obsolete in an absolute perspective due to the fact that, as an atheist, it can be proven faulty. Thats why I really agree with how you think. But, I disagree with what you may consider God is. A very good book speaks on the nature of the divine, yet it doesn't call the divine by the word "God". Because they know there can be confusion in that term. So, they call it "The ALL". It is a very inciteful book based on supposed teachings of an ancient Egyptian philosopher named Hermes Trismegistus. The book is actually written by 3 unknown people who call themselves, The Three Initiates. It is entitled, "The Kybalion". If you are the least bit interested I would consider picking it up. Or, actually, better yet, You may find the entire book online at:

http://www.divineparadox.com/AgelessWisdom/Kybalion/kybalion.htm

 

[HERESY]

light CANNOT co-exist with darkness.

a man CANNOT serve two masters. he will love one and hate the other.

the lukewarm are worse than the cold

during the past 4 years this world has become more and more apostate.......

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

:h:

 

[BaSICCally]

HERESY- Was it not you who said you were a 'prophet'?

How can light and dark not co-exist? wouldn't that contradict hell? how can hell be a dark firey place. Wouldnt the depths of hell lighten up the place?

 

[Cameron]

I think he means light being good and dark being evil. Like it says in the bible, we are children of the light. You can't be one and then the other. You have to be on either one of the sides and you can't be on the fence line either, because that's worse then being completly in the darkness, because at least they know what they want.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@n9newunsixx5150

The only thing you have really said is what god is or what god is not. You still have not answered my question. I have read and re-read your replies and you have not answered my question. Maybe I missed it. What I am trying to get at is "Why do you believe in god?" You have yet to explained your reasoning.

Thats fine if you cannot give me a definition of god. Its better that you dont. I never really wanted a "definition of god." I just wanted some way we could agree on what we were discussing. It really doesnt matter, its beside the point.

You see, when you say "I believe in existence. That's God" I cannot argue with that. I too believe in existence.

When I debate god with people, I usually debate the christian god or the muzlum god or any god that is the "Creator" or the "designer." I do highly respect some beliefs, such as buhdists and a few others.

If you believe god is the creator or the designer, then we can continue debating. If not, I really dont see any point.

When I started this thread, it was really aimed at one person who believed in the christian god. That was the true purpose of this thread. You seem almost Agnostic to me.

The thing that bothers me is how and why people believe in god. It seems that the majority of people believe for no real reason at all. You seem like a free thinker and I respect that. I do not have any problems with your beliefs. I'm just not clear on why you believe, thats all.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Oh ya. I have read a few parts in that book. It is very interesting. When I have more time I would like to finish it. Thanx.

Have you read any books supporting Atheism? I have a number of books I could refer you to.

 

[HERESY]

I think he means light being good and dark being evil. Like it says in the bible, we are children of the light. You can't be one and then the other. You have to be on either one of the sides and you can't be on the fence line either, because that's worse then being completly in the darkness, because at least they know what they want.

GOD HAS BLESSED YOU.

:h:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

@2-0-Sixx

you said you believe in existence, hence you believe in God!

@Heresy

darkness is not an opposing force to light. That is a huge misconception. Darkness is merely the absence of light.
It is not an entity! As soon as you believe that, you have fallen to it's illusion.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

@2-0-Sixx

Truly, God is the creator and the creation. Creator and creation are one. Although I can see how the term "creation" can confuse people. It usually implies a beginning. Think of it as a beginningless creation. All we have, my friend, is eternity. Yes, there was a beginning to the forming of our universe. But we all know, especially scientifically, that all that is here now was here before. Just in another form of "matter" or "energy". Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only converted. God is an eternal creator. Sometimes the term "eternal" is confused with "immortal". Immortal means to live forever from the time of birth. This concept is foreign to any particular truth because all that is born, dies. A single, individual physical body to be immortal would imply a static condition. And we both know that the physical world is constantly moving. One of the Hermetic principles is this, "the law of vibration". Which embodies the same truth we know today, scientifically. The term eternal means "always existing". Never born, never changing, never dies. As an individual physical body may die, the physical manifestation as a whole is eternal. And this brings me back to an eternal creator whose creation is becoming, eternally. Existence exists eternally. And once again, for reference, I will state that by speaking of a "creator" and a "creation" we have separated reality into two. Always remember that they are one. Separated only for reasons of discussion within our finite intellects.

 

[HERESY]

@Heresy

darkness is not an opposing force to light. That is a huge misconception. Darkness is merely the absence of light.
It is not an entity! As soon as you believe that, you have fallen to it's illusion.

John 8:12.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

:H:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I'm sure that's referring to those philosophies or parts of philosophy which are vain. You can't use that excerpt from the bible to discriminate all philosophies, my friend. None of my philosophical points oppose Christ. Only in your finite mind do they. Your mind seems to have boundaries where the front cover of the bible begins and the back cover ends. Like I said before, truth is an eternal realization for us. That quote you made may have something to do with the context in mind at the moment of writing. What I stated about darkness is done to show you that you should not fear evil. You should not fear what isn't God! You know, as I have said, that GOD IS THE ONLY POWER. Given that anyone that can think realizes that Satan has no power of his own. As soon as you give him power in your mind does he consume it! That is the trick. That is the illusion of the devil. These things have been contemplated by God-given mind! You can argue that I have been deluded by the devil because of my perceptions. But, evil clouds minds; it doesn't free them. I can't dwell on the fact that the bible quote you gave me goes for all philosophies because that would be limiting in thought. That would be EVIL!! We read philosophies and you take in what expands our minds. That is our nature. God made it so. I know this from NOUS. If you do not know what NOUS is, I suggest you look it up............................WUN

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@n9newunsixx5150,

So is your answer NOUS?? That is why you believe in god? Please explain.

 

[HERESY]

I'm sure that's referring to those philosophies or parts of philosophy which are vain. You can't use that excerpt from the bible to discriminate all philosophies, my friend.

1.any philosophy which is NOT after YESHUA HA MASHIACH is vain, of man and declared deceitful.

None of my philosophical points oppose Christ.

now the dogs bark.

Only in your finite mind do they.

if you say so.

Your mind seems to have boundaries where the front cover of the bible begins and the back cover ends.

no my mind does not need corruption. as a follower of YESHUA HA MASHIACH i MUST have boundries. now if you are implying that i am closed minded maybe you should get to know ME or read past threads of mine. pal.

That quote you made may have something to do with the context in mind at the moment of writing. What I stated about darkness is done to show you that you should not fear evil.

who fears evil?????????????

You should not fear what isn't God!

i agree.

You know, as I have said, that GOD IS THE ONLY POWER.

even the DUKES confess that YHWH is the ONLY power.

Given that anyone that can think realizes that Satan has no power of his own.

power is given.

You can argue that I have been deluded by the devil because of my perceptions

i will argue NOTHING with you. THE HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTS. not me.

But, evil clouds minds; it doesn't free them.

I can't dwell on the fact that the bible quote you gave me goes for all philosophies because that would be limiting in thought.

ANYTHING CONTRARY TO CHRIST DOES NOT PROFIT MY SOUL.

We read philosophies and you take in what expands our minds.

SOME OF US.

That is our nature.

THIS IS NOT THE NATURE OF THE *SPIRITUAL MAN* WHO DECIDES TO WALK IN THE WAYS OF YESHUA HA MASHIACH.

I know this from NOUS. If you do not know what NOUS is, I suggest you look it up............................WUN

LOL! I FEEL GREAT KNOWING THAT IM *NOT* THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS SITE WHO UNDERSTANDS VARIOUS FORMS OF THE GREEK LANGUAGE.

NEXT TIME YOU MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO EDUCATE ME OR SUGGEST SOMETHING MAKE SURE ITS SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE.

I DONT DEPEND ON MY OWN REASONING, MIND OR INTELLECT (NOUS).......Proverbs 3:5-7.

I DEPEND ON THE VERY WORDS THAT COME FROM THE MOUTH OF YHWH. Matt 4:4

NOW A QUESTION TO *YOU*. DO YOU *CONFESS* WITH YOUR MOUTH THAT YESHUA HA MASHIACH CAME IN THE FLESH?

:h:

 

[I AM]

^damn....broke down EVERY sentance.....

i haven't posted in ths thread yet, i don't think...so i don't know where it's gone.....but, i don't believe what a book tells me...i believe what i experience, see, and feel. i believe there is something after death, but i dont think it's chillen in the fuckin clouds with harps playing in the background and everyone wears white, like movies always perceive heaven to be.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^^tight


n9newunsixx5150 is still avoiding the questions. You have yet to say anything rational. If you dont quite understand the word, look it up. Stop dancing.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Quoted by HERESY:

"light CANNOT co-exist with darkness."

"a man CANNOT serve two masters. he will love one and hate the other."


I totally agree with you, HERESY. This is what I have been saying, yet you still feel we are on different points. Light cannot and actually DOES NOT co-exist with darkness. Although, I would rephrase the last quote:

"a man cannot serve two masters. He will love ONE and know no other."

That quote from the bible obviously states that there is not two. The way they use the word "hate" has to be taken in a different way than we usually mean it in modern times. Because to hate suggests that you care in the first place. So, you would be suggesting that you care about evil. Of course you don't. So, yet again we take an old concept and modernize it for objective thought.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

@HERESY

I have yet to realize who YESHUA HA MASHIACH is. I am interested in learning. And I still see nothing contrary between you and I. I know the term nous from supposed writings made by Hermes Trismegistus. A book called "The Corpus Hermeticum". I don't wish to sit and imply that what I read is the only truth. Or that it even goes against your beliefs. I can gaurantee you that if I studied what you speak of it would greatly benefit me. There is no argument. Just discussion. I enjoy conversing on here with you, actually. I have, by mouth, accepted Christ. If YESHUA HA MASHIACH and Jesus Christ are the same then I would say yes to your question. I don't believe that any other man was the messiah. Contrary to how many Christians think that Buddha, for example, is supposed to be replacing Christ as a messiah. I know this is not true. I don't worship Buddha.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

@ 2-0-Sixx

There is no question. Why I believe in God is manifest before your eyes and thoughts. I believe in God, just as you do. You just don't realize what God is. Doesn't matter what you call it. God is God with your eyes open or with them closed. I have given you all the things you need to percieve a concept-less God. Stop insisting that I play along with such a short minded idea. Even modern physicists are learning, as has been taught in many eastern philosophies, that all concepts are obsolete in and of themselves. You can take them in. But don't wear them around your neck. Learn from them. Don't let them be your boundaries. Learn to let go of old thought. I can't answer your question regarding a mono-conceptual God. To do that would be to desecrate the being of God, in mind........................WUN

 

[HERESY]

@SIXXNESS I DONT BELIEVE THAT ITS CLOUDS AND HARPS PLAYING EITHER.

@n9newunsixx5150

I totally agree with you, HERESY. This is what I have been saying, yet you still feel we are on different points. Light cannot and actually DOES NOT co-exist with darkness. Although, I would rephrase the last quote:

WHY DID YOU TYPE THIS:

@Heresy

darkness is not an opposing force to light. That is a huge misconception. Darkness is merely the absence of light.
It is not an entity! As soon as you believe that, you have fallen to it's illusion.

That quote from the bible obviously states that there is not two. The way they use the word "hate" has to be taken in a different way than we usually mean it in modern times.

THE WORD HATE THAT IS USED IS "misevw" (Strong's Number: 3404) AND IS TRANSLITERATED "Miseo" WHICH COMES FROM "misos".

1.to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2.to be hated, detested

Because to hate suggests that you care in the first place. So, you would be suggesting that you care about evil. Of course you don't. So, yet again we take an old concept and modernize it for objective thought.

lol!!!!!!!!

I have yet to realize who YESHUA HA MASHIACH is. I am interested in learning. And I still see nothing contrary between you and I.

JESUS THE MESSIAH. YES I SEE MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONTRARY TO ME BUT CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD.

I know the term nous from supposed writings made by Hermes Trismegistus. A book called "The Corpus Hermeticum".

ok. as i have said before. i do not adhere to hermetic writings or beliefs. i do not practice the ways of thoth or tehuti. what you are typing about is OLD news to me. something i touched down on YEARS ago.

I don't wish to sit and imply that what I read is the only truth. Or that it even goes against your beliefs.

i find no truth in it and yes it does go against WHAT I KNOW.

I have, by mouth, accepted Christ. If YESHUA HA MASHIACH and Jesus Christ are the same then I would say yes to your question.

ITS NOT A QUESTION ON IF YOU ACCEPTED CHRIST. DO YOU *CONFESS* THAT JESUS CHRIST CAME IN THE FLESH?

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT YESHUA I SUGGEST YOU *STUDY* THE HEBREW LANGUAGE, THE EARLY CHURCH AND MESSIANIC JUDAISM.

:h:

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

ME:
"Light cannot and actually DOES NOT co-exist with darkness."

"darkness is not an opposing force to light. That is a huge misconception. Darkness is merely the absence of light."


These two phrases back each other up. Unless you can explain the difference to me, they hold the same truth.
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You said you read about hermetic philosophy a while back. At the time you were studying it did you find it true? If so, what part of your beliefs now proved hermeticism wrong? Why couldn't you fit in some of the teachings into what you believe now?
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You have to understand my purpose, HERESY. I am a reconciler. For some reason or another, I do not see opposition. I can't explain this. I just don't. I read many religions and philosophies and they fit together. I don't see what you see. I don't see what most see. I don't see the single conceptions people put on the words of the bible as the only way. I see many. Most of the things I write on here are intuitive, rather than just quotes I have read or things I have gradually reasoned out in my mind. I see the many perceptions put on to human words and ideas and I see beyond them. I see the truth of unity. Do you know this truth? Also, isn't it the spirit of Christ that matters? What difference does it make if you confess with your mouth that he came in the flesh? Please answer that question with your own words, not the bible's. What if there was a small tribe who lived on an island we didn't know about? What if these people didn't have any knowledge of Christ or Yeshua? Are they condemned? Can we not be universal in our teachings regarding being saved? Are we doomed if we have no knowledge of a specific body of flesh by a specific name? Or can we know the spirit, by which we name Christ, as the spirit we may call anything as long as it remains true to its nature? I guess I'm gonna have to quote Shakespeare: "would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?"
Do you literally believe that the name makes a difference to the reality? Perhaps many of us already have the "Christ" spirit. Given that spirit must transcend names. We name it Christ for reference and to make an example of the man Jesus. Who embodied this spirit greater than no other. It is the spirit of God. I never knew the man Jesus. Niether did you. But we know this spirit of Christ!