Who is pound for pound #1?

[2-0-Sixx]

And I love how MR clean makes it seem like pacquiao has all these catchweight fights and forces people to do shit.

Fact: Pacquiao has had ONE catchweight fight and that was against Cotto. Cotto previously weighed 146 pounds. His fight against Pac was 145. Cotto stated that 1 pound was not a difference before and after the fight.

Fact: Pacquiao vs Oscar was not a catchweight fight. It was fought at 147. Pacquiao had to move up 12 pounds. Oscar had to move down 7. It was Oscar and Golden Boy's idea to have the fight at 147, not Pacquiao.

Fact: Going down in weight does not mean you will be at a disadvantage. Bernard Hopkins fought Oscar de la hoya at a catchweight of 156 pounds (for hopkins 160 pound titles). Bernard KO'd Oscar. Pernell Whitaker went down in weight from 147 to a catchweight of 145 to fight Julio Cesar Chavez and absolutely schooled Chavez. I can go on and on and on with catchweight fights dating back to the late 1800's.

 

[REdRUM]

First Morebass says....

I would also favor Floyd in a fight against Manny because he
is physically bigger, than Manny

Then he says....

And when talking about POUND FOR POUND, we are imagining all of these guys are the same size.

LMFAO!!!!

Just when you try to ignore this moron, he reels you in again. If you could catch stupid in the ocean, I'd be a fisherman.


If you can't understand what he (MOREBASS) is saying in those two SEPERATE quotes, you're an idiot beyond words.

IN A SINGLE FIGHT between the TWO FIGHTERS, he would FAVOR FLOYD because of his SIZE, but in a POUND FOR POUND discussion, you compare two fighters as if they were the SAME SIZE.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

@ 2-0-Sixx... Now you lying on me making statements I never even made? I never discredited Pacquiao for fighting Cotto at 145... When did you ever see me write anything about Cotto having to come down? My argument was about Pacquiao fighting DLH, not Cotto at a catchweight. You say the fight with DLH was a 147 pound fight, but if DLH doesn't fight at 147, then that's a catchweight in order to make it so called fair for Pacquiao. Shit, Pacquiao wasn't gonna go up to 154 for the fight, so what else was DLH supposed to do? He paid for it too. My mentioning of Cotto had more to do with his health state. He had a bad cut in the Clottey fight that required lots of time to heal, plus he was a beaten up fighter who got fed to Pacquiao to make him look like he is more than he his. Cotto was ripe to get uppercut all night and that's exactly how he lost. He was shot, point blank, simple as that. They didn't even want the fight with Cotto til he was beaten up.

Bottom line is these smaller fighters have no business coming up to a higher weight division in the first place if they can't successfully make the weight. All that shit is about money in the first place. They don't have any money fights at their weight class, so they want to come up an fight a bigger fighter, but not just that, they want make contracts that force the bigger fighter to come down in weight to make it even. If you can't hang with the big dogs, stay where you are at. Mayweather did what alot of other fighters have done in the past, he didn't feel comfortable coming down any lower than he normally would, and so be it, he paid the penalty for it, But if Marquez wasn't ok with Mayweathers weight, he could have backed out of the fight and nobody would have been mad at him doing so, but he wanted that money more than the fight, and paid the price for it. So no harm no foul. First off, who really wants to see these fights except the fans of these fighters who believe their fighters can beat Mayweather or some one like him, as long as he will tie one hand behind his back so it's a fair fight.

@ Morebass... Who's fault is it that Marquez didn't properly train to get his weight up? Mayweathers? If he agreed to come up in weight to make the fight, at least he could have done it the right way the way Pacquiao does it, right? You keep saying how much he has to do to maintain a higher weight, yet, you don't see any pudge on him and he hasn't lost a step going up right? But you make excuses for Marquez. So fuck hypothetics, the cold hard facts is he could have got to that weight differently than he did, Just as your favorite fighter Pac Man continues to do.

Bottom line yall can argue til you are blue in the face, but Pac aint the P4P, not now, and not ever til he beats the best. You can go by what you read or what you think you know, but if and when they step in the ring, you'll be the last two to get on the bandwagon and give it to him his just due, when he already earned it minus a Pacquiao fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@ 2-0-Sixx... Now you lying on me making statements I never even made? I never discredited Pacquiao for fighting Cotto at 145... When did you ever see me write anything about Cotto having to come down? My argument was about Pacquiao fighting DLH, not Cotto at a catchweight. You say the fight with DLH was a 147 pound fight, but if DLH doesn't fight at 147, then that's a catchweight in order to make it so called fair for Pacquiao.

No, it's not a catchweight. They fought at welterweight, not a contractual made up weight class. Further, Oscar was weighing 147 pounds over 1 month prior to the fight, so it's not like he had to weight drain himself just before the fight. He maintained 147 for the entire training camp. Again, if anything, the problem was his advancing age, speed and style, not the weight, as shown against Stevie Forbes who was landing on oscar at will and even cracked his orbital bone.

My mentioning of Cotto had more to do with his health state.

Ok, that's fine, you mentioned something along the lines of "fuck all these catch weights" and I'm merely pointing out Pac has had one catchweight fight in his career.

He was shot, point blank, simple as that.

And this shows your lack of understanding of the term "shot."

Miguel Cotto, losing one fight his career, and fighting Pacquiao at age 28 years old is not shot. Sure you can say he had some mileage, but certainly not shot. Again, shot is Ali fighting Holmes or Sugar Ray leonard fighting Camacho. Guys who had no business in the ring anymore. Cotto is a game fighter anyway you look at it and if Cotto can beat the majority of guys around his weight class, he certainly isn't shot. Just because he lost to Pacquiao and would lose to Mayweather doesn't mean he's shot. A shot fighter wouldn't have busted Pac's eardrum and wouldn't have been in a very competitive and exciting fight.

Bottom line is these smaller fighters have no business coming up to a higher weight division in the first place

I agree Marquez had no business fighting floyd at 147. Glad we agree there.

if they can't successfully make the weight. All that shit is about money in the first place. They don't have any money fights at their weight class, so they want to come up an fight a bigger fighter, but not just that, they want make contracts that force the bigger fighter to come down in weight to make it even.

Ok, who are you talking about now? Because again, Pac has had one catchweight where he "made" cotto come down ONE pound. Pac has never made anyone else come down in weight in his career. He is fighting at 147 and that's where he'll stay for now.

And it's cute that you have some problem with guys coming down in weight but Marquez moving up TWO weight classes is perfectly fine. Double standards breh.

if you can't hang with the big dogs, stay where you are at.

It's been estableshed some time ago, Pac is a WW now. That should be known after dominating Clottey & Cotto. Pac will always be a small WW, kinda like how Roberto Duran didn't really fit well at WW against bigger guys like SRL and Tommy Hearns, but he was a WW nonetheless.

And we should point out that Marquez left the WW division after floyd and he'll return to 140 or 135. Where he belongs.

But if Marquez wasn't ok with Mayweathers weight, he could have backed out of the fight and nobody would have been mad at him doing so, but he wanted that money more than the fight, and paid the price for it.

Hahaha, backed out of teh fight? At the weigh in? Before a MAJOR event? He wouldn't have been paid man, you're crazy. He would have got the $600,000 from Floyd and that's about it. He made MILLIONS against Floyd. YOu're telling me he should have backed out? What man in their right mind would have done that in being in his position? Ludicrous statement man.

 

[Tony]

On the real, I'm getting tired of being called names. Some of y'all keep coming at me sideways.

I know a few boxing gyms that we could go box at. We might have to pay a lil fee to rent the gym but it'll be worth it.

 

[Tony]

IN A SINGLE FIGHT between the TWO FIGHTERS, he would FAVOR FLOYD because of his SIZE, but in a POUND FOR POUND discussion, you compare two fighters as if they were the SAME SIZE.

Nope, don't get it, makes no sense at all.

If he feels Pacman is pound for pound the best figher in the world, then why would he favor Floyd because of Floyd's size advantage? Floyd is naturally bigger but if he believes Pacman is the best pound for pound then he should believe he'll beat Floyd regardless of size because Pacman is the best fighter pound for pound in his opinion.

Like 206 said, both are legit WW's now.

 

[MOREBASS]

Nope, don't get it, makes no sense at all.

If he feels Pacman is pound for pound the best figher in the world, then why would he favor Floyd because of Floyd's size advantage? Floyd is naturally bigger but if he believes Pacman is the best pound for pound then he should believe he'll beat Floyd regardless of size because Pacman is the best fighter pound for pound in his opinion.

Like 206 said, both are legit WW's now.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Who you callin out Tony?

 

[T-Rip]

Lol, let's get a siccness boxing open weight challenge. I wouldn't last 2 rounds, no stamina. Forgot what I was even gonna say, damn it.

 

[Tony]

Who you callin out Tony?

I'm callin' out whoever keeps coming at me sideways with the insults.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

We need Super Six Combat Forum Tournament.

Tony vs Morebass
2-0-Sixx vs MR. CLEEN
T-Rip vs Johnny Truelove

Bonus Fight:
bgrumpyp vs a mentally challenged 8 year old girl.


*Locations are currently being negotated. All purse splits will be determined by Floyd Maywather PPV buys. 84% of profits go to Bob Arum. All opponents of 2-0-Sixx must agree to a catchweight of his choice.

 

[Tony]

LOL.... this dude 2-0-Sixx is crazy.

Oh yeah the PPV numbers are out. Looks like Floyd doubled Pac's PPV numbers.

Pac vs Clottey= 700K
Floyd vs Shane= 1.4

Just for the record...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^I think it's more fair to compare Floyd vs Shane to Pac vs Cotto.

Floyd vs Shane = 1.4 Million
Pac vs Cotto = 1.25 Million

According to Golden Boy, Floyd-Shane was the MOST promoted fight in the history of boxing. Pac-Clottey was hardly promoted at all and had no 24/7, whereas Pac-Cotto did have a 24/7 and Top Rank did a good job promoting it.

Shane and Cotto are both stars in boxing (not crossover stars, but stars nonetheless). Clottey was a no-name.

Regardless, despite 1.4 million falling way short of the 3-4 million Richard Schaefer promised, these numbers are great and mean one thing - Pac vs Floyd will do astronomical numbers. And that's a good thing for the sport!

 

[drunkaholic707]

how many tickets did shane-mayweather sell?

 

[MR. CLEEN]

@2-0-Sixx... Call it what you want, but if a fighter hasn't fought at that weight in years and has to come down to it, it's a catchweight. And you can say what you want, DLH got old over night due to starvation and dehydration. No fighter, including Pac Man can perform under those conditions. Actually it's you who lacks the understanding of shot. I know you want to give Manny props for the Cotto fight, and by all means do so, it just shows you lack true courage to call it what it really is. No more argument there. If you think I'm basing Cotto being shot one fight then you are funnier than I thought you already were. It's cute that you blame Mayweather for the Marquez fight. Had DLH and Pacquiao put on a circus match in the first place, Mayweather and Marquez never fight. Actually it's even akward for a man to call another man's words cute but if that's how you get down, it is what it is. And I nevr expected Marquez to back out of a fight with Mayweather. I didn't really him complaining about it, that's you and other fans that are sore about Marquez gettin his ass kicked. He knew he was too small, but fought like a man is supposed to and got paid, end of story.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

It's funny they pick Manny number one p4p but won't pick him to beat Mayweather

This is ridiculous. After this whole thread you still don't seem to understand what p4p means lol.

Floyd could beat Manny in a close decision and Manny could still be #1 p4p.

Pound for Pound means if both fighters were naturally the exact same size.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@2-0-Sixx... Call it what you want, but if a fighter hasn't fought at that weight in years and has to come down to it, it's a catchweight.

A catch weight is a term used in combat sports such as boxing and mixed martial arts to describe a weight limit for a fight that does not fall in line with the traditional limits for weight classes.​

147 is Welterweight therefor it is not a catch weight, period.

And you can say what you want, DLH got old over night due to starvation and dehydration.

Really? Then why did he look old versus Stevie Forbes? Breaking his orbital bone and all.

Actually it's you who lacks the understanding of shot. I know you want to give Manny props for the Cotto fight, and by all means do so, it just shows you lack true courage to call it what it really is.

Hmm, really, I lack courage because I give manny props for beating Cotto? Wow. EVERYONE, except a very few minority of people, give props to Pacquiao for beating Cotto. Only a select few haters don't, and even most haters can at least say it was a great win for Pac.

Had DLH and Pacquiao put on a circus match in the first place, Mayweather and Marquez never fight.

LMAO! Nice connection there!

Pacquiao moving up 12 pounds to fight a much bigger Oscar = a risk. Oscar was a 4-1 favorite to beat Pacquiao and people were laughing at the fact what a joke it was because how easily Oscar was going to win.

Floyd fighting a lightweight is not a risk. Floyd was something like a 6-1 favorite to beat the smaller man.

And I nevr expected Marquez to back out of a fight with Mayweather. I didn't really him complaining about it, that's you and other fans that are sore about Marquez gettin his ass kicked.

LOL, now I was sore? I was GOING FOR MAYWEATHER. I sported a gif of Mayweather knocking down Marquez for WEEKS after the fight.

That's what you fail to understand. You keep categorizing me like I'm some floyd hater when in reality I've always been a fan. There hasn't been a single time when I went against Floyd. Not once.

He knew he was too small, but fought like a man is supposed to and got paid, end of story.

Of course he did, not disrespect to Marquez he did what anyone would do in his position. My points were obviously a). how much credit should floyd get for beating a lightweight? and b). it's hypocritical to dissing pacquiao for beating Oscar or Cotto but give props to Floyd for beating Marquez.

For the record, I don't think Pac should get a ton of credit for the Oscar fight because Oscar was older, however the size differential was still immense and should be noted as a good accomplishment based on that alone, especially considering Pac was the heavy underdog going into the fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This is ridiculous. After this whole thread you still don't seem to understand what p4p means lol.

Floyd could beat Manny in a close decision and Manny could still be #1 p4p.

Pound for Pound means if both fighters were naturally the exact same size.

LOL, that's what we've been saying.

A perfect example is Roberto Duran compared to Sugar Ray Leonard & Tommy Hearns.

SRL BEAT Duran two out of three times and tommy hearns beat duran at welterweight as well. But like Pacquiao Duran was the smaller guy moving up in weight and SRL & Hearns were the bigger guys, despite fighting at the same weight class.

Here is a generic top 50 all time great list:


1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns



So how can this be? Duran ranked higher then two guys that beat him? Because it's POUND 4 POUND. What Duran did, what he accomplished, moving up in so many weight classes despite being a "small guy" and beating or competing with all time greats, in most people's opinion ranks him higher as a result. Pound for pound he was better. Understand Tony?

 

[WYNO707X4]

1.4 mill dont forget they also gave the fight away if u bought tecates and power tools im getting some money back.and yes they promoted the shit out of this fight.50,000 plus at cowboy stadium 700,000 ppv almost no promotion.floyd could not even sell out the mgm

 

[WYNO707X4]

floyd dont want to fight no one not name pacquiao.cuz if he does he aint going to sell shit ! he going to get expose.manny vs margarito will do over a mill ppv buyz and they would sell out estadio azteca over 100,000 plus.manny dont need floyd. theres also bradley,cotto those be nice fights.who could floyd fight next not name manny and do over a mill ppv and sell out a arena?