Who is pound for pound #1?

[DJxREMARKABLE]

@Mr Cleen & Tony, are you guys boxing fans or just strictly Mayweather fans? if yall are boxing fans why try so hard to discredit Pacquiao's success?

Im not a boxing expert but more of a new fan of boxing. I also know I havent posted much in this forum but from reading your posts you guys sound like straight haters. If it's not "hating" then its real funny how blinded you guys are. You can say "who the fuck are you..and what do you know" but I just had to put that out there that your posts are straight comedy...even to new boxing fans

 

[Tony]

Good point, we don't know these dudes personally so how can we judge them? For all we know Floyd could be a good dude. All that, that he does in front of the camera and while on 24/7 is used to promote himself and he protrays the boxer everyone loves to hate. I don't know the dude personally and could careless about how he chooses to carry himself outside of the ring.... and the same goes for Pacman.

It's all about what they do inside of the ring.

 

[Tony]

@Mr Cleen & Tony, are you guys boxing fans or just strictly Mayweather fans? if yall are boxing fans why try so hard to discredit Pacquiao's success?

Im not a boxing expert but more of a new fan of boxing. I also know I havent posted much in this forum but from reading your posts you guys sound like straight haters. If it's not "hating" then its real funny how blinded you guys are. You can say "who the fuck are you..and what do you know" but I just had to put that out there that your posts are straight comedy...even to new boxing fans

I'm a boxing fan (and Mayweather fan) and I call it like I see it. I'm not discrediting Pacquia's success (if you're going to call us out about trying to discredit Pacquiao's success why aren't you calling out the folks that are discrediting Mayweather's succcess????)

I mean, after all he is the PPV King, and is currently undefeated at 41-0.

And how can we sound like haters? Read the title of the thread, we're just discussing who we think should be crowned pound for pound number one in the world. Pacman is number 2 at best. If/when he beats Floyd then he'll be number one. Until then, Floyd is number one pound for pound.... the man has won 41 straights fights.

You've admitted you're a new jack to this boxing stuff but then you find my post comedy? You're probably a new jack pacman fan.

I just find it funny that if Pacman lost to Floyd y'all still would rate Manny number one in pound for pound rankings... now that's comedy.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I like this definition because it describes how you feel about Mayweather

Even after I spent all that time explaining how I'm a fan of floyd. I have Mayweathers damn picture in my office at work for crying out loud. Of course you leave the quotes out of your response. Pick and choose what you want to see I guess...

You just cant fathom the idea of me liking floyd but at the same time ranking pacquiao #1 pound 4 pound at the moment.

What does Marquez being a queer have to do with boxing?

I just don't like the guy, I think he's an asshole and I don't like his character. Is that wrong? Do I have to like everyone in boxing that is good? Paulie Magniliggni is a good boxer but I don't like his personality, I think he's a loudmouth cant back his shit up, etc. Nothing wrong with that as long as I'm being honest about it.

If I hated Mayweather I would say so. If I hated mayweather and my judgement is clouded like you said I would constantly pick his opponents to beat him, which I've never done. I've always favored Floyd and always praised him for his talents & abilities. Again, the one thing is I will critisize him when I feel fit - if he fights a guy that I don't think he should get credit for then so be it. I do that with everyone. I don't give my favorite fighter of all time Bernard Hopkins much credit for beating Oscar de la hoya or Winky Wright, and I openly state that. I don't give Pacquiao much credit for beating David Diaz. And likewise with floyd, he doesn't get much credit for me for beating Marquez.

Are you some kind of bigot or something?

Nah, I support gay rights 100%. I just don't like Marquez and am just clowning on the guy for shits & giggles, trying to lighten up the mood people are too damn serious in this thread. This is boxing. Entertainment. This isn't nuclear physics.

I don't dislike Pacquiao at all, so you can't hang that tag on me bruh.

I don't think that's the case, you diss pac a lot and you refuse to give credit to him for his accomplishments. I may dislike marquez, but I've stated time and again he is an all time great.

What Marquez, Mayweather, Pacquiao or any other fighter for that matter, does (Outside of things that may hurt others) behind closed doors or even in front of the camera for that matter doesn't faze me at all as long he gets in the ring and does what he does. None of these fighters owe me anything but a good fight, so if Mayweather rubs you the wrong way, and you would go for Pacquiao based on that then you're biased.

LOL I like Pacquiao more than Floyd, not only as a person but out of entertainment, fighting style, heart, etc. What Pac does in the ring is MORE impressive to me than what Floyd does in the ring. So yes, it's also about sills and what they do in the ring.

Again as I mentioned is I believe it's also better for the sport. 9 times out of 10 I always go for the result which I think is best for the sport because ultimately I'm a boxing fan and want to see the sport grow.

The fact of the matter is you're going for Pac Man, not because you think he has a chance of winning, you're going for him in hopes that he dethrones the loud mouth you detest.

When did I ever say Pacman doesn't have a chance? I've always maintained that I would slightly favor Floyd to win the fight, based on his size and his style of fighting, but I never said Pac has no chance. In fact, I stated it's impossible to predict because floyd has never fought a guy like Pac and Pacquiao has never fought a guy like floyd. Further, both fighters are very versatile and have shown different styles of fighting in their recent fights, so it's difficult to say how each would fight against eachother or what their game plans would be.

It has nothing to do with floyd being a loudmouth, that part I get about boxing, that's hype that's promotion. It has to do with the fact if Pac beat Floyd it would set up an immediate rematch would be just as big, if not bigger than the first fight. It would be amazing.

The fighting public didn't ask for a DLH vs. Mayweather rematch but they did ask for a Pacquiao vs. Clottey fight right? Please.

We are not talking about Pac vs Clottey you're straying from the entire point, you're moving off topic.

The public demanded floyd vs Pac, period. No other fight was in demand out of those two fighters.

Mosely was there for the fight but that wasn't an option right?

Mosley was scheduled to fight Andre Berto when Pacquiao signed the contract with Clottey, who was the highest availible WW at the time.

Haiti earthquake freed up Mosley, which obviously floyd then got as an opponent (luckily or we would have seen Floyd vs Nate campbell).

Point is, you are biased towards Mayweather, and a bigot towards Marquez (I didn't know it was that serious bruh).

LMAO!!!

I'm biased against Floyd how? Explain it to me. It seems like you're saying that because I disagreed with some of your statements.

What is it about Floyd that I'm wrong about? I've spoken 100% truth about Floyd.

As far as I know, the only disagreement here is that you have Floyd #1 and I have Pac #1. We disagree on the resume and who is a quality win versus who is not a quality win. Other than that what are you disagreeing with me about in regards to Floyd?

I'm a fan or I'm not a fan, not a personal friend of any of these dudes, and that's where I draw the line. If I don't like em, it has nothing to do with their personality.

Look man, you're lying to yourself if you think personality doesn't play a factor.

You on the other hands go out of your way to discredit these men by posting pics to prove your point. If that aint hate, I don't know what it is

You're really stretching now man. You cant win this debate like that.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

@ Remarkable... I don't know Tony, so I can't speak for him. This is a boxing board where you debate a given topic. The question was who is the true P4P now? In my opinion it is Mayweather. How is that hating on Pacquiao. I like Pacquiao, but he aint the true P4P in my eyes. I was just openly going for Mosely in the fight with Mayweather so don't try to put me in some pro Mayweather camp. I just call it how I see it. This aint no personal discussion for me. I'm at work chillin, killin time on the siccness. I don't know 2-0-Sixx or Morebass and haven't saif one thing derogatory about them or pacquiao throughout this disccussion. Sonme people fall in line with what the popular trend says, others follow their own gut feelings. I'm one of them. If anybody is taking any of these convos to heart, then that is a shame because two men should be entitled to have a difference of opinion, no matter how strongly they feel about it and the word hate only comes into play when you dealing with overly sensitive or insecure people bruh. DJ Remarkable, you know me from my music as Mac & A.K. bruh, have you ever heard anything from me that came off as being a hater????? Hell nah... I keep it real to my points, don't claim to be a boxing expert, but I like to dig in and go head up with other cats that are opposed to how I feel. Anybody take anything I say to heart, let that shit go fam. I don't hold onto nothing yall say as long as you don't disrespect me. That's different. I don't call cats morons and shit like that on the internet. Whatever I say on here I can say directly to anyones face.

 

[DJxREMARKABLE]

It's all about what they do inside of the ring.

Pacquiao proved alot of people wrong and did alot of impressive things IN THE RING, why try to discredit some of the fights he was EXPECTED to lose?

 

[MOREBASS]

Tony, being the PPV King has no relevance in this thread, I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up, as if it means anything.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

@2-0-Sixx... You can talk a good talk, but in the end you know what is real. That's all between you. You aint gotta sell how much you like Mayweather to me because I've already made up my mind on how you feel about Mayweather so that is that. And if you can find one time I dissed Pacquiao, I'll gladly apologize, but you can't find one thread where you find me taking a shot at that man as you have done. I might speak on the farce Pacquiao has put on since moving up to Welterweight, but if calling Pacquiao a beast at the lower weights is a diss, then you got me there bruh. You will never win a debate with me simply because your points don't outweigh mine. I don't claim that mine outweigh yours. Simply put, you stated Pacquiao is the P4P, and would pick him in the fight against Mayweather, and the same time you said in your heart, you believe Mayweather would beat Pacquiao. If that don't say it all then yeah, I am the blind one

 

[Tony]

@DJ remarkable.....

Can you quote me on discrediting what Pacquiao has done inside of the ring?
Can you quote other folks on here that has discredited what Mayweather has done in the ring?

 

[Tony]

Tony, being the PPV King has no relevance in this thread, I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up, as if it means anything.

That was stated in regards to discrediting someone's success....

 

[drunkaholic707]

shouldnt the biggest draw be able to sell out his own fight?

 

[MR. CLEEN]

And Mosley was available before signing onto the Berto fight. He pretty much begged Paquiao for that fight, even stating that he would go down to 140. get you facts straight. Shit he was available while Pacquiao and Mayweather were still arguing about taking the blood test. He chose Clottey because it was the easier fight to make and they both have the same promoter.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@2-0-Sixx... You can talk a good talk, but in the end you know what is real. That's all between you. You aint gotta sell how much you like Mayweather to me because I've already made up my mind on how you feel about Mayweather so that is that.

And there you go. You have a pre-assumed assumption about my opinions/views and are unable to reasonably hear my arguments. That's your problem right there - you refuse to listen.

And if you can find one time I dissed Pacquiao, I'll gladly apologize, but you can't find one thread where you find me taking a shot at that man as you have done.

You have constantly discredited pac's accomplishments. We can all that a diss or whatever word you want to use instead but I feel simply you are not giving pac the props he deserves.

I might speak on the farce Pacquiao has put on since moving up to Welterweight, but if calling Pacquiao a beast at the lower weights is a diss, then you got me there bruh.

Farce. That word you just used speaks volumes.

 

[MOREBASS]

shouldnt the biggest draw be able to sell out his own fight?

Agreed.


I was at the Mayweather-Mosley fight and there were hundreds of seats empty. Officially, they said 1,000 tickets went unsold, but I know for a fact they were comping tickets on Friday & Saturday to hotel guests.

There were a few hundred people who got to see the fight for free.

Same story with the Marquez fight, except it was way worse.


I guess the public pretty much knows that the entertainment value of a Mayweather fight isn't going to be that great, so why make the trek to Las Vegas.

 

[Tony]

shouldnt the biggest draw be able to sell out his own fight?

Like Morebass just said.....

"selling out his own fight has no relevance in this thread, I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up, as if it means anything."

 

[MR. CLEEN]

@ 2-0-Sixx... You maybe right about me not hearing you because I try not to listen to people who double talk, and that's what you have been doing this whole so called debate. And I stand behind how I feel about the "farce", not about Pacquiao. I'm still waiting on you to show me where I dissed Pacquiao. Because if anything, you are the one that that has been doing the discrediting of Mayweather and what he has done. Do I agree with all of Mayweathers choices for dance partners??? Hell nah, I been waiting for him and Mosely to get it on a long time ago. Gatti was a worthless fight. and so on and so on. But to keep it real, he is the P4P. Period. If he can beat your so called P4P, then again, he is the P4P. Let's not keep going over that. My P4P is just that, my P4P.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

And Mosley was available before signing onto the Berto fight. He pretty much begged Paquiao for that fight, even stating that he would go down to 140. get you facts straight. Shit he was available while Pacquiao and Mayweather were still arguing about taking the blood test.

Oh I know my facts, you never stated what time period you were talking about i assumed before clottey since that was relevant to what we were speaking about.

And you can discredit pac for not fighting shane but pac chose to fight the guy who beat mosley and happened to be the bigger draw at the time.

He chose Clottey because it was the easier fight to make and they both have the same promoter.

This is a confusing statement since Mosley was not available and was locked with berto, which we just went over again. Such a strange comment. Clottey was the highest ranked WW available (Floyd didn't work, shane & berto were locked and cotto was just beaten by Pac).

 

[Tony]

Agreed.


I was at the Mayweather-Mosley fight and there were hundreds of seats empty. Officially, they said 1,000 tickets went unsold, but I know for a fact they were comping tickets on Friday & Saturday to hotel guests.

There were a few hundred people who got to see the fight for free.

Same story with the Marquez fight, except it was way worse.


I guess the public pretty much knows that the entertainment value of a Mayweather fight isn't going to be that great, so why make the trek to Las Vegas.

LOL, is that hatin'????? Where's DJremarkable?????????

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@ 2-0-Sixx... You maybe right about me not hearing you because I try not to listen to people who double talk, and that's what you have been doing this whole so called debate.

LMAO! Double talk? Go back in this thread and see how many times you've mentioned the same shit over and over. We'll talk about something, then 5 pages later you'll bring it up again even though we already done went over it!

And I stand behind how I feel about the "farce", not about Pacquiao. I'm still waiting on you to show me where I dissed Pacquiao.

Did you not see my response?

You have constantly discredited pac's accomplishments. We can call that a diss or whatever word you want to use instead but I feel simply you are not giving pac the props he deserves.​

 

[MOREBASS]

Like Morebass just said.....

"selling out his own fight has no relevance in this thread, I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up, as if it means anything."

He was referring to your post.

But it still doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. I was just responding to his post.