The 147 pound weight class is not a catchweight, It's a catchweight for the two fighters if first Pacquiao never fought at that weight before, and two if DLH had to come down to that weight to meet Pacquiao in order for the fight to take place, so what part of that do you not get?
What part of the definition do you not understand? Again:
A catch weight is a term used in combat sports such as boxing and mixed martial arts to describe a weight limit for a fight that does not fall in line with the traditional limits for weight classes.
147 is Welterweight therefor it is not a catch weight, period.
Straight from the source comrade. You can change the definition of the term if you want, that doesn't change the true definition of the term.
Yep it was a circus match because everyone believed Pacquiao would get destroyed by the bigger Oscar.
At the time Paquiao was testing the waters of the Welterweight division
Nah son, Pac had no intentions to go to 147 at the time, he just moved to 135 and his plan after beating David Diaz was to fight Nate Campbell so he could unify all of the belts at 135. Those plans were quickly abandoned once the idea of Pac vs Oscar came into reality (which was first suggested by Larry Merchant during the david daiz/pac post-fight interview). Oscar & Golden Boy started going over numbers, they realized how much money they could win in a relatively easy fight and they sent the offer to bob arum. The rest is history.
So again, it wasn't testing waters for 147, it was never part of the plan. Further Pac only weighed in at 142 pounds for the actual fight.
It was against a fighter, who fights only once a year
Ok, that's fine. Just apply the same to Floyd since Floyd fought Oscar when Oscar had
one fight in 3 years.
that had to strip his body down to a weight to make a fight with
Which I remind you was Oscar's idea, not Pacquiao's. Further as I already mentioned, Oscar weighed 147 pounds 1 months, if not more, prior to the fight. So it wasn't one of those cases of someone rapidly losing weight prior to the weigh in, Oscar had maintained that weight for some time. Unfortunately he was getting old.
a guy he would have never been in the ring with if Mayweather had not retired before their rematch, so he should thank Mayweather and DLH for his recent success, cause had they fought the rematch, we wouldn't even be talking about Manny on this magnitude.
Part of the reason Mayweather retired was because there was no public interest in a rematch. The first Oscar-Floyd fight was considered highly disappointing, as far as the actual fight goes and there was no demand for a rematch. The sport actually took a hit as a result of that fight, despite it's 2.4 million buys, so many people thought the fight sucked and was boring boxing probably lost more fans than gained, especially considering the MMA vs Boxing debate that was going on at the time.
Boxing in general should be thankful a rematch between oscar and floyd never happened, as it would have made the sport look even worse.
You bring up the Steve Forbes fight. I think it's a had more to do with fighting once a year, and being sluggish and age only being a factor because of his inactivity, and Steve Forbes not being a bad fighter in the first place.
But he fought once in 3 years against Floyd Mayweather and looked fine, so that argument holds no weight.
I like that you did a census on who gave Manny props and who didn't. We all saw Manny destroy Cotto, no hate there. Again, was it against a quality opponent? Cotto before Margarito = Quality opponent, Cotto after Margarito= A Fighter damaged by a beating at the hands of a cheater.
Wow so Cotto wasn't a quality win for pacquiao now?
And hate don't run in my family. This is a debate, not a who you can hate contest on my part. I'm callin it how I see it. Based on "my" opinions of Manny's rise to fame.
Likewise I'm callin it how I see it and what I see is hate. If not hate, we can substitute it for heavily biased, blind to the truth, immense dislike for a fighter, etc.
As far as you going for Mayweather vs. Marquez, I don't think you were going for Mayweather at all, more like you looked at the scenario and expected him to win, but it's not like you were rooting for the guy to win.
Why would you say that and how could you possibly come to that conclusion?
I actually stated it would be a tougher fight than I thought and I was hoping Floyd would knock marquez out. You can go back to the old floyd vs marquez threads if you want and look for yourself.
I'm sure you hoped Marquez would pull it out
Hell no! Why would I have wanted that?
For one, I'm a floyd fan.
Two, I dislike Marquez I think he's queer.
Three, it would have been bad for the sport.
So your assumptions are totally incorrect.
but knew in your heart Mayweather would be the winner, similar to how you feel about a Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight. You goin for Pacquiao, but your gut feeling tells you it aint gonna happen.
Pac vs Floyd I would definitely go for Pac because of two reasons:
1). I like Pac the person better then I like Floyd the person
2). I think it would be better for the sport (it would undoubtedly set up a rematch and possibly even a third fight depending on the second out-come. Further, every great fighter needs his arch rival (Ali's Joe Frazier, Sugar Ray's Tommy Hearns/Hagler, etc.). Floyd hasn't had that yet.
So stop actin like you are such a Mayweather supporter.
Again, there hasn't been a single time I went against Floyd in my life.
Marquez, Hatton, Oscar, Zab, etc. I was always cheering for Floyd. I've ordered every single Floyd PPV event or watched it live at a Casino when I didn't have the cash. Every floyd fight is an Event for me, my friends & family.
I know this is hard for you to grasp, but I can be a fan of someone inside the ring, and generally as a person, but criticize that person for choices they make.
maybe you don't like Marquez either because he whooped on Pacquiao twice though he got robbed for both decisions. Especially the first time.
First off, he didn't get robbed in either fight. We can debate those fights all day but not going to go there as it's already been done.
I don't like marquez because I believe he's a faggot and there is something about his face and attitude I simply don't like. Great fighter, all time great status, just don't like him as a person.
You say I give credeit to Mayweather for beating a lightweight, but actually ai give credit to Floyd for beating whoever they put in front of him
lol nice way of putting it. Whoever "they" put in front of him. "They" happens to be Floyd, he calls the shots.
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as long as the fighter has a legitimate chance and is not shot or damaged.
marquez had no legitimate chance against floyd moving up two weight classes.
I had more respect for Pacquiao before he went up to Welterweight. Even with his suspect wins against Marquez, I thought he was still a beast. His only legitimate win at Welterweight is against Clottey in my eyes, just like people will say Mosely is Mayweathers first legitimate win at Welterweight (and they got a right to feel that way). I aint fuckin with him on the Cotto or the DLH fight though. I'm entitled to that. Nothing you say or anybody else can change that, I don't care who sees it differently. Shit I'll be on that island by myself, but the fact is alot of people see it the same way. Not based on your door to door census though lol.
Not many.
Door to door census? Just go to boxing website, message boards, boxing magazines, mainstream media (ESPN, Yahoo, etc.), the best boxing historians and writers in the world, etc.
