Again, look at that photo you put up. It's a dream of yours that won't come true, so again you show your bias for the real P4P Floyd Mayweather. Good try, but the ultimate fail for today is still 2-0-Sixx... I'm actually done too, unless this fight actually takes place between Pacquiao and Mayweather, you Pac fans will continue like you got a real leg to stand on. The Real Checkmate will happen when they raise Floyd's hand in victory over the tough but still not enough Pacquiao. Any one of you got money on this fight if it ever takes place, I'd respectfully like to take it from you.
Who is pound for pound #1?
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Not sure what you are failing to understand about the term POUND FOR POUND.
I would also favor Floyd in a fight against Manny because he is physically bigger, than Manny.
Now, what POUND FOR POUND means, to my understanding is that if all of these guys were the same size, who would be the best?
So, obviously Floyd and Manny are NOT the same size, so the pound for pound idea goes out the window, when and if they ever fight.
But what I'm saying is that if there was no size advantage, I feel like Manny would win. That's it.
The fact that Pacquiao is even able to fight at welterweight, and compete with the best is amazing. Like I said, do you see Floyd moving up to 154 to fight any of the top dogs there? Fuck no.
You're not convincing anyone of anything, and really pound for pound is all mythical babble, and just for fun.
But MOST boxing experts and writers, who do it for a living, do not hold the same idea as you, and that is a fact.
Cotto, Clottey was bigger than Pacman so stop with the excuses. If Pacman is pound for pound the best you wouldn't be talking about how Floyd has the size advantage. According to you, Manny is spanking the better competition at WW, so throw that size excuse away. In your opinion Manny is pound for pound the best, so he should be able to beat anyone at 147 including Floyd.
You gotta beat the best to be the best. Floyd just beat the best WW so that makes him the best pound for pound.
You gotta beat the best to be the best. Floyd just beat the best WW so that makes him the best pound for pound.
Tony, I don't even like responding to your moronic posts, but this thread is about POUND FOR POUND.
And when talking about POUND FOR POUND, we are imagining all of these guys are the same size.
When we're talking about a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, we aren't talking POUND FOR POUND anymore.
Are you retarded? I didn't think it was that confusing.
And when talking about POUND FOR POUND, we are imagining all of these guys are the same size.
When we're talking about a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, we aren't talking POUND FOR POUND anymore.
Are you retarded? I didn't think it was that confusing.
Morebass, your talking as if Manny has never taken a fight where he gave up height, and arm length. Basically what you saying is if they had the same body mass. Meaning if Floyd and Manny both weighed the same Manny would win, and I disagree. Floyd would still be a better ring technician and fight smarter. Floyd could weigh less than Manny and still win. The only way Floyd would be in jeapordy to lose a fight with Manny is if he fought at some catchweight that would favor Manny, he shouldn't have to do that to prove his fighting worth as Manny does. Floyd doesn't need Manny to end his career a Hall of Famer, and Manny doesn't need Floyd. floyd is hands down the better boxer regardless, and trust me bruh, I know what P4P means, and have been following boxing before either of these two fighters ever made their debut. P4P means nothing if the fans didn't crown you as such (and I mean real boxing fans). End of the day is the reason we are having this discussion is because of the Circus act playing the David to everyone elses Goliath and the pony trick has worked up to now. If he bring his ass up to a weight he shouldn't be fighting at, at least do it fairly without having to take away other peoples advantages, because if the other fighters have to give up something just to make a fight then the lil David fighter doesn't belong their anyway. Fuck all that catchweight nonsense. If the fighters are too big, go back down to 140 and stop acting brave. I like Pacquiao, but I aint giving him no props for fighting banged up or dehydrated boxers. Shit there are fighters at 140 that will give it to Manny now what?
@JReezelle... Name a recent fighter Mayweather fought that was shot or on his way out? Or better yet, name a fighter that Mayweather made drain himself to the point he had no real shot to beat him. Name a middleweight or heavier that has come down to face Floyd. he aint gonna ask nobody to come down to his weight class to do it. Shit he's thinking about going up as we speak.
He made marquez comes up TWO weight classes to 145 and didn't even bother losing the two pounds himself, thus had to pay marquez $600,000.
Meanwhile Pacquiao has had ONE catchweight fight in his entire career, and that being against Cotto. Cotto's previous fight he weighed in at 146. Against Pacquiao he had to weigh 145. So that's a 1 pound difference you're talking about. Further, Cotto used to be a 140 pound fighter on top of all that.
the only person pac has ever fought that could be considered shot was Oscar, and that's it. Even then pac was moving up from basically 130 pounds to 147, which is crazy, especially considering the odds were heavily favored in Oscar\s favor.
But again we done talked about ALL of this shit pages ago. That's why I said you're doing nothing but going in circles, you keep bring up the same exact points that were talked about on page 2, page 3, page 4, etc. Repeating record you are.
Meanwhile Pacquiao has had ONE catchweight fight in his entire career, and that being against Cotto. Cotto's previous fight he weighed in at 146. Against Pacquiao he had to weigh 145. So that's a 1 pound difference you're talking about. Further, Cotto used to be a 140 pound fighter on top of all that.
the only person pac has ever fought that could be considered shot was Oscar, and that's it. Even then pac was moving up from basically 130 pounds to 147, which is crazy, especially considering the odds were heavily favored in Oscar\s favor.
But again we done talked about ALL of this shit pages ago. That's why I said you're doing nothing but going in circles, you keep bring up the same exact points that were talked about on page 2, page 3, page 4, etc. Repeating record you are.
J Rezelle... Mosely had to drain himself because he took a blood test? You must be joking. Mosely been fighting back the Welterweight limit for some time now fam. I too believe Mosely would have ate Mayweather up a few years back. Matter of fact I was going for Mosely in this fight. If anything he might have overtrained being that he was already in tip top shape back in January when he was supposed to fight Berto, so his continuous training for so long could have cost him. And I too have said before and will say again, Manny will lose to Mosely. If Manny and Mayweather don't fight, I really hope Manny makes the mistake to underestimate Mosely and take that fight with him.
@2-0-Sixx... Dude that catchweight fight with Marquez was for Marquez benefit, not Mayweather. Mayweather was the one who was being forced to shed weight in order to strip him of his advantages. He was smart enough not to fall for the same trap that DLH fell for, and instead whooped the breaks off of Marquez. So you saying that Marquez was limited by coming up in weight? Get the fuck out of here. He got to lift weights and bulk up, he didn't have to go down in weight where he would be dehydrated and a shell of himself like they were trying to get Mayweather to do. Every fighter who goes up has to eventually put on weight and get acclimated with the new division, including Pacquiao. You also actin like if Floyd could safely get down to 135 he wouldn't have beat Marquez. Please. You puttin the two on the 10 again by making comparisons that aint even in the same category anyway. The only reason we gotta keep reiterating shit is because you keep making statements you know is B.S. and I keep calling you on it to get you back on point. You aint pullin the wool over nobody's eyes by pumpin up Pac to be something he is not. you can say what you want about my statements, cause obviously if you can go back to statements I made pages ago, all that means is I don't vary or stray from my points like you. As usual, you a funny dude.
@2-0-Sixx... Dude that catchweight fight with Marquez was for Marquez benefit, not Mayweather. Mayweather was the one who was being forced to shed weight in order to strip him of his advantages. He was smart enough not to fall for the same trap that DLH fell for, and instead whooped the breaks off of Marquez. So you saying that Marquez was limited by coming up in weight? Get the fuck out of here. He got to lift weights and bulk up, he didn't have to go down in weight where he would be dehydrated and a shell of himself like they were trying to get Mayweather to do. Every fighter who goes up has to eventually put on weight and get acclimated with the new division, including Pacquiao. You also actin like if Floyd could safely get down to 135 he wouldn't have beat Marquez. Please. You puttin the two on the 10 again by making comparisons that aint even in the same category anyway. The only reason we gotta keep reiterating shit is because you keep making statements you know is B.S. and I keep calling you on it to get you back on point. You aint pullin the wool over nobody's eyes by pumpin up Pac to be something he is not. you can say what you want about my statements, cause obviously if you can go back to statements I made pages ago, all that means is I don't vary or stray from my points like you. As usual, you a funny dude.
^^Are you seriously arguing that Marquez moving up TWO WEIGHT classes to fight floyd was not a disadvantage to Marquez? Wow, that is nut hugging to the extreme. Marquez was maxed out at 135 pounds and even that was a stretch (which is why he struggled with a guy like Diaz).
Further, genius, I never said floyd should or could go to 135, I stated that the CONTRACT was 145 pounds and he did Marquez dirty by not even trying to make the agreed upon weight (thus floyd was penalized and had to pay $600,000 to Marquez).
At the same time, you were discrediting pacquiao for fighting Cotto at 145, which was ONE POUND less than what Cotto had previously fought at. Yet, Floyd gets a pass for having a contractual fight at the same exact weight AND making a guy come up two classes? Hypocritical, once again.
Further, genius, I never said floyd should or could go to 135, I stated that the CONTRACT was 145 pounds and he did Marquez dirty by not even trying to make the agreed upon weight (thus floyd was penalized and had to pay $600,000 to Marquez).
At the same time, you were discrediting pacquiao for fighting Cotto at 145, which was ONE POUND less than what Cotto had previously fought at. Yet, Floyd gets a pass for having a contractual fight at the same exact weight AND making a guy come up two classes? Hypocritical, once again.
It was to make the fight a more even fight, being that Marquez is a LIGHTWEIGHT!
Mayweather wasn't being forced to do anything he didn't AGREE TO IN WRITING, as stated in the CONTRACT.
Again, what trap are you talking about? No one is forcing these guys to sign the deals. They know 100% what they are signing up for, please stop trying to turn these guys into victims.
In both cases, the naturally BIGGER fighters agreed to the catch weights because of their notable size advantage, and because they were both fighting guys who were coming up 2 weight divisions or more FOR THE FIRST TIME.
If you don't think Marquez was limited by his move up in weight, you're trippin. The extra weight obviously made him sluggish, and ineffective. When's the last time you saw Marquez with love handles in a featherweight, or lightweight fight?! LMAO.
You talk way too much in hypotheticals, and not enough cold hard facts.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Doesn't mean anything.
The FACT is that Floyd AGREED to meet him at 145, which was still a huge advantage for Floyd Mayweater, being that it was only 2 measley pounds below where he normally fights at.
And he couldn't even make that weight. Don't even think he ever intended on it.
You're reaching with this stuff man.