@ 2-0-Sixx... Don't be hypocritical. You give the fight to Mayweather but cannot put him at P4P #1? C'mon now. You're holding back on giving credit where it is due.
You are also failing to understand what
Pound for Pound means.
Further, being pound 4 pound #1 is also based on resume and your accomplishments. You cannot ignore that. You can't ignore what Pacquiao has done.
For example, in the year 2000 when Shane Mosley was pound 4 pound #1, one could make the argument that Mayweather could have beaten him and was a better fighter, however Floyd didn't have the resume at that point. You see what I'm getting at?
I don't have to read any magazines, online or other wise. I don't have to listen to Steve Lampley or Emmanuel Steward or any other so called Boxing expert.
Nor should anyone listen to those guys. Pound 4 pound is opinion based, not factual.
My own eyes tell me who the better fighter is, I don't care how brave you try to call Pacquiao for taking the fights he took, it adds up to brave warrior, not P4P.
It's not about bravery or being a warrior, it's the LEVEL of opposition he's fought and HOW he defeated them (destroying them).
Bravery doesn't count for shit pound 4 pound, or else Gatti would have been #1 for years.
Cause Pound for Pound Mayweather way more of a skilledd fighter than Manny ever will be, not knocking Manny at all.
Skill for skill, I agree. Floyd is TECHNICALLY more skilled. But again, resume is a huge part of it, you have to beat the best opponents to claim your the best. There are a number of technically skilled guys right now that aren't even on the top 10 list, who probably could whoop a lot of these guys but their resumes are lacking. For example Andre Ward. Skillwise he's top 5 imo. Resume is lacking though at the moment...
Also they have completely different styles so it's not easy to just say, 'oh this guy is better.' For example floyd's style is better against certain fighters, while pac's style is better against others.
Example: Ricky Hatton.
Floyd kinda had a hard time in the first 4-5 rounds, it was a tough/rough fight, hatton actually winning some rounds. Mayweathers style isn't the type of style to just whoop on a guy like hatton.
Pacquiao's style is absolute kryptonite for hatton, and that showed in a 2 round ass whoopin. You can say 'oh well floyd beat him first' all you want, but hatton went on to have one of his best career wins after losing to floyd prior to pacquiao, so he wasn't shot or a ruined fighter. Pacquiao was simply all bad for his style of fighting.
Another example I imagine is shane mosley.
Floyd's style was perfect for beating mosley. And while I think pac beats mosley's ass too, it would have been a more difficult task based on styles.
Why would I knock Manny, who I personally don't know. Clearly you and Morebass have a problem with Mayweather due to your distaste for his personality. Mayweather aint my buddy and we wouldn't run in the same circles, but neither would me and manny so I'm a call it like it is.
I think you're twisting it. I've been a mayweather fan as long as I can remember. I've never once gone against him. I won money off him against Shane. I argued up and down left and right on this board that Floyd was going to beat shane easily. I've always gave mayweather his props for his skills. I critisize him at times for his actions outside of the ring and sometimes about the quality of opponent he faces. But I'm not a mayweather hater, I'm a fan. Please understand that. I got a lil poster re of him nailing Judah in my office at work (which coincidentally is next to a Pacquiao knocking out hatton).
2-0-Sixx... Steve Forbes was not a push over.
Uh, yes he should have been for Oscar considering he was a jr. welterweight fighting a guy over 150 pounds which is why it was called a tune up fight.
Who has knocked Steve Forbes out? He may not have beat DLH at 150, but I'm glad you are at least proving my point, the more weight DLH had to lose, the worse he performed. Thanks for helping me point that out.
Nope, Oscar was comfortable at that weight. The problem was Forbes style, quickness, speed and the fact oscar was AGING. If pacquiao fought that same night, he would have beat Oscar. Pacquiao is 100X the fighter Forbes is man.
Back to Pac Man, what did Pac Man lose going up in weight?????? You got an answer for that? I could definitely tell you what DLH lost, but no need you're smart enough to figure that one out.
WOW. So now when someone moves up in weight it's not a big deal? Moving up from 130 to 147 normally means you're going to lose speed and it also means you're not used to getting hit guys that weigh 150+ pounds. Common sense breh.
Clottey didn't come to fight. Even I was surprised in that one. He hit Pac Man at will, but didn't come to fight.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Every fight there is an excuse for pacquiao!
Maybe clottey couldn't do shit because pacquoa was throwing 100+ punches each round? I guess it had nothing to do with the styles?
Interesting that the exact same result happened in Williams vs Winky Wright. Winky, who fights just like clottey with that shell defense, got overwhelmed by a non-stop punching machine in Williams.
Did Winky not show up to fight? Or was it a bad match up for Winky?
Headbutt resulted in a black or swollen eye. Common knowledge don't twist it man, acting like I didn't watch the fight.
You know he was bought off so he wouldn't ruin Pacquiaos chances at a big money fight. But that's water under the bridge at this point.
LMAO! So now he's bought off? Obviously he was bought off not to ruin pac's chances.
Well then obviously Mosley was bought off to lose to floyd to not ruin floyd's big money fights coming up. In fact it's so obvious because shane was whooping floyd for two rounds, then he gave up because he knew he was getting paid to lose the fight and let floyd do his thing.
See how easy that is? ::smh:: you're better than that man.
Pacquiao is a great fighter, who's gonna deny that, but P4P number 1? That's just way too debateable.
Hence the thread.
You take away the Cotto fight and the DLH fight which he clearly won because of the disadvantages to those fighters and tell me what you see? Again, I'll give him Hatton and Clottey (only because he didn't come to fight). But that's it.
How am I going to take away fights that manny won when he was expected to lose? Let's take away floyds wins over mosley and marquez, and floyd hasn't fought since 2008. lol why would we subtract fights that happened?
And you're right, no one said Pac Man would win, and that's why I go with my own gut feelings win or lose instead of some overpaid so-called experts on boxing, where more than half of thse guys have never laced up gloves before.
Who the hell is talking about experts? I'm talking to you, I'm talking about the people the fans, the fighters, the Vegas oddsmakers, etc. Pac was supposed to lose those fights, period.
Again, you prove my point without trying to. We'll get on the same side sooner or later, when you stop frontin and just call it what it is, minus the fighters character.
Sure man, whatever you say. You're taking shit in some weird way, I don't understand it yet. This thread was intended to have a discussion about who everyone thought was #1, like it or not. Have some debate, etc. I'm being real and I expect everyone else to to be real. If you disagree with something, so be it that's what opinions are for, everyone has them. There isn't some conspiracy going on in this thread where everyone seems to know floyd is the best but the secret society of Pac-fans have came together to lie and vote Pac just because lol.
