Who is pound for pound #1?
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@DJremarkable, it's all good bruh.
I think Mayweather gets more credit for beating DLH because DLH wasn't weight drained when he fought Mayweather as to compared when he fought Pacquiao.
De La Hoya even said it in his own words. He said it was like night and day when he fought Pac and Floyd. He said that he felt like a zombie when he fought Pacman at 147 as compared to fighting Floyd at 154.
I think Mayweather gets more credit for beating DLH because DLH wasn't weight drained when he fought Mayweather as to compared when he fought Pacquiao.
De La Hoya even said it in his own words. He said it was like night and day when he fought Pac and Floyd. He said that he felt like a zombie when he fought Pacman at 147 as compared to fighting Floyd at 154.
Tony why is that you completely ignore shit that we already discussed?
Once again...
Oscar PROMOTES Floyd. He is rivals with Pacquiao's Top Rank.
Oscar has made conflicting statements regarding Pacquiao.
First, after the fight, he stated that Pacquiao was too fast and too skilled and it wasn't the weight that bothered him. He said he couldn't pull the trigger just like Freddie Roach said and it's time for him to hang 'em up. He said pacquiao didn't really hit him hard but it was the speed and angles that beat him.
Then, when the Floyd-Pac negotiations kicked off and the steroid talk started, Oscar in his own blog stated that Pac hit him harder then almost anyone and it was similar to how Vargas hit him (who was juicing) and that he felt something must have been up with pacquiao because no one hits that hard! So you have two completely different stories from Oscar.
Again, Oscar is an all time great fighter, but he is a bitch when it comes to him being a promoter, just like all the rest of them.
You shouldn't take oscar's words as fact when he has his own interests and agendas at stake.
Once again...
Oscar PROMOTES Floyd. He is rivals with Pacquiao's Top Rank.
Oscar has made conflicting statements regarding Pacquiao.
First, after the fight, he stated that Pacquiao was too fast and too skilled and it wasn't the weight that bothered him. He said he couldn't pull the trigger just like Freddie Roach said and it's time for him to hang 'em up. He said pacquiao didn't really hit him hard but it was the speed and angles that beat him.
Then, when the Floyd-Pac negotiations kicked off and the steroid talk started, Oscar in his own blog stated that Pac hit him harder then almost anyone and it was similar to how Vargas hit him (who was juicing) and that he felt something must have been up with pacquiao because no one hits that hard! So you have two completely different stories from Oscar.
Again, Oscar is an all time great fighter, but he is a bitch when it comes to him being a promoter, just like all the rest of them.
You shouldn't take oscar's words as fact when he has his own interests and agendas at stake.
Tony, I don't know where to start with the quotes. You can just re-read this entire thread and see that you weren't giving Manny his props.
As for Mayweather, Im sure alot of REAL boxing fans on this forum can appreciate what he has done in the ring. I respect Mayweather as a boxer/entertainer and what he has done in the ring. So there's no need to argue with me that he is a good fighter and I agree that DLH in the Mayweather match was better than DLH in the Pacman fight...but even then, DLH was still the favorite in that match against Pacman. The ONLY thing I dont understand here is how some boxing fans can't appreciate Manny's accomplishments the same way they appreciate Mayweather's success. DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and even all the boxers before them were considered more than "quality" opponents for Pacman. Why is it hard for Pacmac to get his props?
As for Mayweather, Im sure alot of REAL boxing fans on this forum can appreciate what he has done in the ring. I respect Mayweather as a boxer/entertainer and what he has done in the ring. So there's no need to argue with me that he is a good fighter and I agree that DLH in the Mayweather match was better than DLH in the Pacman fight...but even then, DLH was still the favorite in that match against Pacman. The ONLY thing I dont understand here is how some boxing fans can't appreciate Manny's accomplishments the same way they appreciate Mayweather's success. DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and even all the boxers before them were considered more than "quality" opponents for Pacman. Why is it hard for Pacmac to get his props?
How many damn times do I need to explain this to you? My point is you overly criticize pacquiao and do not give him the props he deseves. Let the "diss" definition go, breh, it has nothing to do with nothing.
I don't think so. I said he shouldn't get too much credit for the Marquez fighting being that Marquez went up two weight classes.
I stated the Mosley fight was an amazing performance and one of his career best wins.
Other than that, I've pointed out and criticized some of his career decisions and/or showed the hypocrisy on this board (for example exposing how floyd turned down $8 million to fight margarito in response to pacquiao fighting so and so, etc.).
I personally think Floyd's resume up to 135/40 was amazing. But his WW reign was less than stellar, until the Mosley fight which he deserves all the props in the world for.
LOL. Mosley won end of story because you say so huh? Ok.
Cotto has the "W" shane has the "L". Majority of sports writers and observes agree Cotto won so you can say "end of story" all you want but that means nothing. Sure that's your opinion, like I said, that's fine.
Great, cant wait to happens. Further if Pacquiao wins I wonder what the excuses will be made.
The reality is there are two camps here - floyd fans and pac fans. There are extremes on both sides and there are idiots on both sides.
I just want to see the fight.
I don't think so. I said he shouldn't get too much credit for the Marquez fighting being that Marquez went up two weight classes.
I stated the Mosley fight was an amazing performance and one of his career best wins.
Other than that, I've pointed out and criticized some of his career decisions and/or showed the hypocrisy on this board (for example exposing how floyd turned down $8 million to fight margarito in response to pacquiao fighting so and so, etc.).
I personally think Floyd's resume up to 135/40 was amazing. But his WW reign was less than stellar, until the Mosley fight which he deserves all the props in the world for.
LOL. Mosley won end of story because you say so huh? Ok.
Cotto has the "W" shane has the "L". Majority of sports writers and observes agree Cotto won so you can say "end of story" all you want but that means nothing. Sure that's your opinion, like I said, that's fine.
Great, cant wait to happens. Further if Pacquiao wins I wonder what the excuses will be made.
The reality is there are two camps here - floyd fans and pac fans. There are extremes on both sides and there are idiots on both sides.
I just want to see the fight.
DJ Remarkable... Me and you have talked plenty of times, just not about boxing. Me, I'm just your casual boxing fan. Boxing is one of my favorite sports outside of Football and basketball that is. First, before we discuss DLH, let's go back to the beginning of the topic at hand. This topic was to discuss who was the P4P now? In my opinion, I have always maintained that Mayweather was the true P4P champ. I aint basin that on no online magazines, no journalist or experts, or any other fans. I feel he is the true P4P (And I said that even before the Mosely fight). The moment any talk or challenge of Mayweather being the true P4P is when the first stones were thrown or any discrediting of any kind, and all you gotta do is go through the beginning of the thread to find that. Of course if some one can bring pu stuff and talk about what Mayweather didn't do, then I'm gonna chime in to show that Pacquiao as a fighter got holes in his armor as well. The messed up part about that is if you look through this post, the opposition to my challenges have been discrediting Mayweather, not just in this post, but plenty other ones, where they have been overly disrespectful, calling the man out his name, and other shit I haven't done. I'm just pointing out how I feel about his recent events, only because they keep talking about what Mayweather hasn't done up to now. I know what a P4P is and in my mind Mayweather wins even if they were the same weight, same height, same arm length etc. He is a more skilled boxer and technician and ring general, and when they finally fight, what I'm saying will be proven.
Now back to DLH... I never said DLH was over the hill, too small or too old (shit I'm the same age as DLH is and I aint old). I said that given the fact that he had not recently fought at 147, it wouldn't be to his advantage to come down to that weight, and let Manny come up in weight and the opposite has been done to his body. On paper Manny was supposed to lose, but those close to both camps, knew the fight would be closer than people thought due to DLH giving up all of his advantages except for height. I honestly think if DLH had stayed at 154, he had a few fights left in him. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion. And first off, I already know Marquez coming up to 147 was BS. I didn't ask for that bunk fight, but in the end, who loses the most in contrast, the fighter draining him self or the fighter coming up in weight? I guess that all depends on the fighter so the contrast is like comparing apples to oranges.
And the difference between Cotto and Marquez should be duly noted, since we all saw what happened to Cotto by the hands of Margarito. Did he have to die for anyone to see how badly damaged that fight was to him? i mean c'mon, it was revealed he was getting hammered with a plaster like substance for 11 rounds. Marquez was the fighter more intact as far as I'm concerned if you compare the quality of the two. Wear and tear in boxing is the norm and all fighters experience it, but how many experience what Cotto did and survive? Go watch the HBO special on a similar fight. Yeah, dudes fight was more graphic because they stripped the glove, but that is the only reason Cotto is still alive.
And I don't know about anyone else, but ever since the Mosely fight took place I said Mosely looked like he overtained. Me and my bro go at it about this all the time. Mosely was already in tip top shape at 147 back in January. To have to have back to back camps had to take alot out of him in my book. So yeah, I do think he would have been better prepared to fight Mayweather in Jan. hands down. I was pulling for Mosely so you know I aint no rabid Mayweather fan. I really thought Mosely had a shot, but it is what it is.
End of the day, I aint trying to win nobody over. We all entitled to our own opinions. I do this shit for fun. Nobody on the siccness can hurt my feeling with words or insults, I'm a grown ass man who doesn't even have to resort to that. My skin is thick, so I aint gonna get upset over nobody's opinion of me or how I feel. I have fun on siccness period. We on here shootin the breeze. None of us get paid for our opinion on boxing. At least I don't. Don't take this shit too serious man. Cause in the end I got respect for all of these fighters. pacquiao included. I watched the Clottey vs. Pacquiao fight with a room full of Philipinos and was the only black dude in the room, and it was nothing but love. Of course I really thought Clottey would get him, but hey, I respected it the decision, but I still might question the outcome, why? Cause I can.
You might find things skeptical about some of things I say on here, but in the end you know I'm a give respect you get respect type of dude. We can debate til we blue in the face, but I'll shake your hand right afterwards because none of this shit is all that serious.
Now back to DLH... I never said DLH was over the hill, too small or too old (shit I'm the same age as DLH is and I aint old). I said that given the fact that he had not recently fought at 147, it wouldn't be to his advantage to come down to that weight, and let Manny come up in weight and the opposite has been done to his body. On paper Manny was supposed to lose, but those close to both camps, knew the fight would be closer than people thought due to DLH giving up all of his advantages except for height. I honestly think if DLH had stayed at 154, he had a few fights left in him. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion. And first off, I already know Marquez coming up to 147 was BS. I didn't ask for that bunk fight, but in the end, who loses the most in contrast, the fighter draining him self or the fighter coming up in weight? I guess that all depends on the fighter so the contrast is like comparing apples to oranges.
And the difference between Cotto and Marquez should be duly noted, since we all saw what happened to Cotto by the hands of Margarito. Did he have to die for anyone to see how badly damaged that fight was to him? i mean c'mon, it was revealed he was getting hammered with a plaster like substance for 11 rounds. Marquez was the fighter more intact as far as I'm concerned if you compare the quality of the two. Wear and tear in boxing is the norm and all fighters experience it, but how many experience what Cotto did and survive? Go watch the HBO special on a similar fight. Yeah, dudes fight was more graphic because they stripped the glove, but that is the only reason Cotto is still alive.
And I don't know about anyone else, but ever since the Mosely fight took place I said Mosely looked like he overtained. Me and my bro go at it about this all the time. Mosely was already in tip top shape at 147 back in January. To have to have back to back camps had to take alot out of him in my book. So yeah, I do think he would have been better prepared to fight Mayweather in Jan. hands down. I was pulling for Mosely so you know I aint no rabid Mayweather fan. I really thought Mosely had a shot, but it is what it is.
End of the day, I aint trying to win nobody over. We all entitled to our own opinions. I do this shit for fun. Nobody on the siccness can hurt my feeling with words or insults, I'm a grown ass man who doesn't even have to resort to that. My skin is thick, so I aint gonna get upset over nobody's opinion of me or how I feel. I have fun on siccness period. We on here shootin the breeze. None of us get paid for our opinion on boxing. At least I don't. Don't take this shit too serious man. Cause in the end I got respect for all of these fighters. pacquiao included. I watched the Clottey vs. Pacquiao fight with a room full of Philipinos and was the only black dude in the room, and it was nothing but love. Of course I really thought Clottey would get him, but hey, I respected it the decision, but I still might question the outcome, why? Cause I can.
You might find things skeptical about some of things I say on here, but in the end you know I'm a give respect you get respect type of dude. We can debate til we blue in the face, but I'll shake your hand right afterwards because none of this shit is all that serious.
If Pac Man wins, then more power to him, and I'll be the first to give him props. No doubt about it.
I'll give Floyd more credit for beating Marquez then Pacquiao beating DLH and the fact that you even comparing the two shows your bias. Instead of lettin both victories stand seperately for what it is. Of course you want to figure out a way to give Pac Man the edge. Not!
Mosely got the L like so many fighters before him who earned a decision and didn't get it that's nothing new.
I'll give Floyd more credit for beating Marquez then Pacquiao beating DLH and the fact that you even comparing the two shows your bias. Instead of lettin both victories stand seperately for what it is. Of course you want to figure out a way to give Pac Man the edge. Not!
Mosely got the L like so many fighters before him who earned a decision and didn't get it that's nothing new.
@Mr Cleen, first off trust me that I really respect you and that Im not taking this personally haha. I, too, come on the siccness just to read up on sports and music on my spare time and not once have I ever seen you disrespect anybody. So no need to clarify that with me...haha I know you've always been good to people on here.
I didnt mean to bring up DLH, Mosely, Cotto and Marquez to start another topic. I basically just typed what I got from reading your posts and tried to get a better understanding of why you can't give appreciate Pacquiao's success the same way you do Mayweather's AND also why you think Mayweather owns the #1P4P spot.
Personally, I think Pacquiao is the #1P4P boxer because he has 7 world titles and he beat the top boxers available to get where he's at right now (the obvious, i know). He fights whoever gets put in front of him and he impressively outboxes his opponents. I dont care if DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey were beat before...what REALLY matters is that Pacman is fighting top fighters and beating them.
again, I'm new to boxing, but did'nt Mayweather duck certain boxers before he retired as "The Best P4P Boxer"? To me, you have to fight quality opponents to become #1P4P and, to me, Pacquiao has a better resume. Thats's just me tho...I havent been really following boxing that long. With that said it could go either way. I say they should both share the title for now but I would put it like this...
#1A-P4P = Pacquiao
#1B-P4P = Mayweather
I didnt mean to bring up DLH, Mosely, Cotto and Marquez to start another topic. I basically just typed what I got from reading your posts and tried to get a better understanding of why you can't give appreciate Pacquiao's success the same way you do Mayweather's AND also why you think Mayweather owns the #1P4P spot.
Personally, I think Pacquiao is the #1P4P boxer because he has 7 world titles and he beat the top boxers available to get where he's at right now (the obvious, i know). He fights whoever gets put in front of him and he impressively outboxes his opponents. I dont care if DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey were beat before...what REALLY matters is that Pacman is fighting top fighters and beating them.
again, I'm new to boxing, but did'nt Mayweather duck certain boxers before he retired as "The Best P4P Boxer"? To me, you have to fight quality opponents to become #1P4P and, to me, Pacquiao has a better resume. Thats's just me tho...I havent been really following boxing that long. With that said it could go either way. I say they should both share the title for now but I would put it like this...
#1A-P4P = Pacquiao
#1B-P4P = Mayweather
I feel where you are coming from DJ Remarkable, and you like me are entitled to your opinion. Boxing is a sport where two people can watch the same event and walk away with two different opinions on what happened. End of the day that's why this sport still fascinates people. Everybody has an idea what a boxer is supposed to be like and how they want him to fight and no two fighters fight the same, so we get to be the judge of the outcome every fight. To me I'm a boxing fan, have been since a kid and I can't just follow one fighter since there are way too many good fighters out there that I enjoy.
Floyd more credit for beating Marquez than Pacquiao beating De La Hoya?
That's insane. Oscar was a 2-1 favorite, Floyd was a 5-1 favorite against Marquez.
Not sure I understand where you are coming from with this one Cleen. Mayweather did was he was SUPPOSED to do. Nothing impressive about that, IMO
Pacquiao did what no one thought he COULD do.
Huge difference.
That's insane. Oscar was a 2-1 favorite, Floyd was a 5-1 favorite against Marquez.
Not sure I understand where you are coming from with this one Cleen. Mayweather did was he was SUPPOSED to do. Nothing impressive about that, IMO
Pacquiao did what no one thought he COULD do.
Huge difference.
mosely got lucky against margarito he knew this.honestly mosley been done he old right after he beat margarito clottey called him out mosley said no.mosley been done he was just looking for one last big payday and he was going to use that margarito win to hype him up.berto would of beat mosely.the same mosely u saW AGAINGSt mayorga was the one that floyd beat old slowed tired quickly mosely. my point is mosely is OLD!
I give props to Mayweather for fighting Mosely, but I meant didnt Floyd duck Mosely before? and it seemed like Mayweather had no choice but to fight Mosely when the Berto fight fell apart. At that time people were saying "Floyd hand-picks his opponents" and "will only fight the fights he knows he's gonna win". I cant be to sure that was the case, but it was a fight that HAD to happen to shut everybody up. Im glad the fight happened though, It showed that Mosely really did show up to TRY to win and that Floyd can take a good hit to the chin. It was a good fight.
As for Pacman, Cotto was the better option...just like 206 said
As for Pacman, Cotto was the better option...just like 206 said