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LOL I knew this thread would spark a few pages

I'm just gonna leave it at this..."Reparations" is the biggest crock of shit ever....Neither you nor your parents nor your grandparents nor THEIR parents were slaves. So no one owes anyone shit....Sorry it's just true...Alot of injustice was committed in this country over the years. Doesn't mean anyone is owed a fucking check. Create your own destiny and keep it movin'. This world is too full of "professional victims" of ALL races.

Carry on!
NO SIR.
For you & Sydal.

Yes, Reparations aint shit to you, cause your people never had to go through what went on. So it wouldnt matter to you anyway. SO I can see where you would say its a crock of "shit". Then I see when you post how proud you are of your Italian heritage, and whenever someone comes on here and even remotely disrespects Italians, you are on top of it quick fast. You have even taken it upon yourself to answer Mafia questions, because of the Itailian references. With that said, I'm very much surprised to see that you didnt get on the person who posted FUCK COLUMBUS DAY.:confused:

Back to the subject. Reparations would be a start, but not an end all, not a solution. True I have never been a slave, nor my parents, or grandparents. BUT, I still have to deal with the residual effects of what that did to my people. Where others, like yourself, can benefit from what was done 1555 to when slavery was so-called abolished. Sydal said that slavery has been going on, and that some of the blacks even sold they own. True that, but this is a people as described in the bible, "in a land not thier own, worshipping a God not their own, and afflicted for 400 years" its goes on to say, "you will find the carcass of this once great people in the land where the eagles soar". I said that to say this. Yes there was slavery in the world, but what happened to the Black Man/Woman in the Wildrenss of North America was unlike any other. A total debreifing of what once was. All those others who were slaves can still speak thier native language, point to the land they come from, have a culture of thier own. We dont know our original language, religion, culture. As evidenced by these people out here celebrating these paganistic holidays. So there IS a responsibility, and oh yes, it lays somewhere. It lays with those who benefit from the trans-Atlantic slave trade. It lays with those decendants of those. And for the record, I'm with the Native people gettin what they got coming. These "cowboys" totally tried to kill off that whole race. Trail of Tears, setting up reservations, giving them blankets infected with small pox. I will be happy to address anything else Sir, and I do it movin! Mosque #73 Sac, CA.
 
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The Cause for which we are gathered is bigger than all of us who are gathered and, therefore, it is incumbent upon us to submerge our personalities, even our differing methodologies, religious persuasions or the lack thereof, for the Cause that is bigger than us all.

We are not here tonight because of ourselves; we are here because of those who went before us to pave the way for us. We must not be untrue to them and to those who struggled to make life what it is for us—nor should we relegate what we can do today to our children to do tomorrow. We should complete our assignment today, so that our children may work on the next phase of that assignment.

I heard Dr. Ron Daniels say, if there ever were a time that we needed unity as a people, that time is now. We are under assault from every quarter and the only way we can survive is that it must be “we” and not “I.”

We will survive if we recognize our need for one another.

The brilliance sitting here and sitting out there is needed. There is not one of us who does not bring something of value to the struggle. We may not all struggle in the same way, we may not have the same length or breadth in terms of impact, but, each one of us is important to bring about a successful outcome for what we desire.

We, who are in the movement for reparations, and I’m very glad to say “we,” because I definitely know that the Nation of Islam is a part of that movement for reparations. We must not betray our ancestors in the negotiation for what we feel is just and justly due to the children of the slaves.

It’s not about money. It’s about what is requisite to repair the damage. I see the Honorable Marcus Garvey as my grandfather and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad as my father. Both men have impacted on my life and I think that the founders of the Millions for Reparations rally, who met in Durban, South Africa, were not just talking, but there was a spirit moving them. The spirit of those who have gone on, who are not able to be here tonight, but who produced us that we might make an accounting of ourselves in our time period.

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Liberation is not a one-day journey. Neither is reparation, for reparation and liberation really are synonymous. You won’t be free without the damage being repaired. In order to repair the damage, you must make a proper assessment of the damage.

Whenever you are in an accident, and most of us have been in some kind of accident, your car gets hit. There is a carmaker who knows all the parts that he put in it and how they should function, so that when you turn the key, you get a proper reaction.

But when you’ve been in an accident, you have to stop and an assessor comes out and looks at your car, assesses the damage and tells you what is needed to repair it and make it whole.

There is no question that we’ve been damaged and there’s no question that the damage has been so severe that some have said it’s totaled: “We don’t need to repair this, we need a new thing.” But the scripture says, “Behold I make all things new.” Sometimes you can take a thing that has been damaged to prove the power of your ability. When somebody says “Total it,” you say “No, I can bring it back”—that separates the real mechanic from the student.

In the 8th verse of the 16th chapter of Ezekiel,—he’s an old prophet, but he could see—he talks about some “damage.” He said: “Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I swear unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.” This is talking about something that was naked that needed covering; something that was unclean that needed washing.

In verses 4-6, he says: “And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all. None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born. And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.”

That doesn’t make too much sense right now, but let’s look at it a little deeper: The only reason we are here for reparations is that nothing was done to repair the damage that 400 years of slavery and injustice had done to us.

“In the day that you were born” means that you have come forth out of the womb of confinement and gestation. But the day you were born, there was nobody to serve you; to cut the umbilical cord, to wash you, to swaddle you. You were polluted in your own blood. As you are developing in the womb, the placenta is a purification agency that allows good to come into the new life being formed. You are developing lungs to breathe on your own, eyes to see, ears to hear, brains to think, hands to work, feet to walk. But when you come forth, there is some attention that you need.

First of all, the umbilical cord has to be cut to separate you from that out of which you were born.

For 300 years we were confined in what was called chattel slavery. It was a period of gestation in the womb. America couldn’t go on. Like any mother, when it’s time, you’ve got to lay down and give birth to the child, or you die, or the baby dies—or both die.

In 1865, they said “you are free.” They couldn’t hold us in slavery, that narrow place of confinement. We had outgrown it. So the baby comes to birth, but the cord still is not cut. You have the ability to breathe on your own, to see, to think, but you are still tied to your slave master and his children, not in a proper, but in a very improper way. With nobody to serve your needs, your rights, your interests, you are laying in an open field now. Nobody to wash you with water and you are polluted in the blood of the womb.

What is the blood of the womb? It’s the life of slavery that gave you a slave mentality, this terrible feeling of inferiority. There is some damage that has been done. The baby is born, but it’s born damaged. It doesn’t know where it belongs. And if it knows where it belongs, it can’t go there because the cord that’s tying it has not been cut.

In the year 2002, we are polluted by the life of slavery.

Somebody walked by and said, “in a day of love, Live.” He didn’t just say it; he knew what to do to make it a reality. This wasn’t just a “jive mechanic.” This was somebody who knew that it could have been totaled, but he knew how to bring it back. He said, “Live.” You wouldn’t say “live” if it were alive.

It was in a state of death and only a Power bigger than the power of man could come and bring it back to life. He said, “When I walked by.” Who is this “I” talking? It must be that “I,” Who said, “Behold, I make all things new.” This is a terrible condition, something polluted in its own blood. It’s been lying there for 100 and some-odd years, polluted in the life of the slave. You’ve been to college, but you’re polluted. No matter how many doctorate degrees you have, they have not washed you.

I want you to hear me as your Brother. Don’t get arrogant over what the White man gave us because he never gave us enough to wash ourselves, otherwise the job would have been done. The repair work would have been done. Church couldn’t repair you because you’re a n—-r in the church. I’m not being disrespectful, but church, now, is an emotional experience, not a transforming experience. Neither is the mosque, nor the synagogue. Our organizations die from within as well as from without, because there is something sick within that needs to be healed.

All of our degrees are useful, but they are more useful after we have been washed. They are more useful after the umbilical cord is cut, because to cut the umbilical cord allows you to grow into yourself. It’s self-determination, not living under the shadow, nor in the shadow, of America. But living free to be what you are and who God created you to be.

Now in assessing the damage, you have to look at what happened to us spiritually, because there is a spiritual disconnect from The Reality of God. You know God and you love God, but the reality of how God works, you’re disconnected from that, because you are disconnected from The Law of Cause and Effect. You think things just happen. You don’t realize that God gives you wisdom to organize and make things happen. You are sitting around waiting for a Mystery God to give you what you are quite capable, if united, of giving yourself.

You have been stripped of an understanding of The Law of Cause and Effect, so you believe in a Mystery God. Some fellow floating around in the sky and you are floating around on earth, not grounded, not knowing the value of what’s under your foot, and willing to give it up to somebody else that they can use you to build a heaven for themselves on the earth. You’re waiting to die and go someplace to get what you can get on the earth.

That’s a spiritual disconnect from reality.

The Holy Qur’an teaches us that Allah (God) will never change the condition of a people until they change themselves.

How are we going to change? We don’t know how. Somebody has to walk by and say, “Live.” Not only say it, but produce life, spiritually. Not only are we messed up spiritually, but the life that we lived in slavery was immoral. The enemy never wanted marriage as an institution. “Make babies and let the slave master take care of them.” Is that still going on? Somebody needs a washing, don’t you think? The slave master went into our women and produced all these different shades and colors and textures of hair and shapes of noses and lips. He made those badges of honor and dishonor depending upon how light you were, how straight your hair was, how close you were to the “image of perfection,” which was White supremacy. That had a terrible effect on us mentally that needs repair to this day.

Why do our organizations die from within? Because the enemy can easily pit one of us against the other, because we’re so filled with jealousy and envy. When somebody appears to be more talented, we feel we must fight with him or her, rather than join him or her and help him or her.

Then, there are those of us who have been educated on the principle that the more you know, the more money you can get for what you know, so knowledge is not for cultivation. Knowledge is for you to gain the creature comforts of life, oftimes at the expense of others. Somebody needs a washing here.

We’ve been here since before the Mayflower. Here are people that came after the Mayflower, on the Mayflower, and take advantage of what America has to offer.

We’ve been here longer than anybody else, except the Native Americans and those who brought our fathers here in the beginning, and what do we have to show economically for the knowledge that we possess and the money that flows through our hands on a yearly basis? That’s why a monetary solution alone will not work. The mentality of the slave is such, that if you gave him money, within a month it would be right back in the hands of the former slave masters and their children.

You have spiritual damage, mental damage, emotional damage, psychological damage, political damage. Did I say social damage? Did I say scientific damage? We’ve been so damaged that the prophets referred to us as dead. Ezekiel offers a picture of us as dried bones in a valley. The bones could hear great teachers, and they would shake and they would rattle, but they wouldn’t do anything. You have had some of the greatest teachers that ever walked the earth.

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It was reported in one newspaper that some of the families of victims of the horror of 9/11 were suing the governments of Saudi Arabia, the Sudan and some royal family members for several trillion dollars. They sued because of 3,000 deaths and buildings coming down. Thank you very much; you are making our case for us, because, if 3,000 people White, Black, Brown, Red and Yellow, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists, who died in buildings, on airplanes and at the Pentagon deserve trillions of dollars, then put that on the scale of what some scholars say we lost in the Middle Passage coming into slavery. The money figure is staggering to fix this car.

That’s why nobody wants to talk about the level of reparations. They’ll talk about raising a monument, or, “Let’s have a museum for Black people.” Don’t you settle for that!

Elijah Muhammad, whether you agreed or disagreed with him, said to me one day that he wanted us to have eight or 10 states. Let them move out and leave everything. Don’t tear anything down. Leave the institutions, leave everything there and we will move in. And then we want you to take care of us for the next 20-25 years, until we are able to go for ourselves. Now don’t say you (Whites) can’t do it, because you’ve been taking care of Israel for 54 years. And Israel has not contributed to this nation like we have.

Now don’t go off half cocked, “That Farrakhan is at it again.” The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said, “Perhaps I know that they won’t give us one state, not even as small as Rhode Island, but that doesn’t stop me from asking.” He said, “I want my people to know what justice looks like.”

Justice is not a White woman. I’m not saying that you can’t fall in love, but what I am saying is we cannot accept their daughter as payment. We cannot accept their son as payment. We cannot accept White people’s weak attempt at affirmative action as payment. We cannot accept welfare as payment. Brothers and Sisters, when you add up what we have suffered and what we have contributed to a country, that to this day denies us the principle of justice, such measures are insufficient.

Whites may say, “well, ya’ll ain’t never going to get nothing from us.” I wouldn’t be so quick to say that. I saw what you did to O. J. Simpson. He got through the court all right. He was pronounced “not guilty,” but you couldn’t be satisfied with that. You brought him back to court and found him “responsible.” You started stripping him of whatever money he had that he didn’t hide because you said, “No. He’s not guilty, but he is responsible.”

The present generation of Whites is not guilty, but we have to ask, “Are you willing to accept responsibility?” They say, “Well, I didn’t do anything to those people.” No, but you now live a privileged life because of something that happened to us.

And to the Whites who would be heartened by these statements, I would love to dialogue with you. I want you to understand what responsibility is, because this is not going away.
 
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Im with Reese on this. You ever go to someones house, see their fucked up ass family, and go "man, those kids got no fuckin chance." That, unfortunately, is a metaphor for modern day black America. Yes, attitudes and ideas have to change within the black community, but I dont believe we as the rest of America have done our part to allow that to happen.
 
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Im with Reese on this. You ever go to someones house, see their fucked up ass family, and go "man, those kids got no fuckin chance." That, unfortunately, is a metaphor for modern day black America. Yes, attitudes and ideas have to change within the black community, but I dont believe we as the rest of America have done our part to allow that to happen.
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Reese I respect your opinion....It's nice to be able to have a conversation without it resorting to kid-like name calling.

My only question is, when does an oppressed people (black or otherwise) decide to stop blaming the past for all of their present day problems and change themselves?

No one can go back and change the fucked up shit that happened...But handing out free money to people won't solve any problems.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that. We'll just agree to disagree but that definitely doesn't mean I'm saying "I'm right, you're wrong".
 
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No Sir, it is definatley not a "blame game". One can step up and change, but when you have a world, a country, a system based on a doctrine of racial superiority, that is then indeed a reality. This is why you have those who have a strange since of entitlement (this past presidential race) Is was like "How dare he try to run......" LOL. Its starts with knowledge of self, and doing for self.

I can compare it to being a Convicted Felon.

I am a convicted felon. There are doors, oppurtunities, and jobs that are closed to me due to the decisions that I have made in the past. This is to illustrate an enviornment in which no matter how much school I get under my belt, how much I go to church, how much I serve food at the homeless shelter, and how much I talk to kids at schools about the dangers of drugs and gangs, I will still not be able to advance because I am a felon. Difference is the felonies which are the results of my actions, were my doing, my fault. Where slavery was forced, and was not a choice.

So like the good ol' boys say.... "What do you call a black doctor with a Bently, a firm career, a master degree, and a 6 bedroom house? "A Nigger"
 
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EVERYONE HAS THEIR POINT.YOU ALSO CANT FORGET THE MEXICAN PEOPLE WHEN TALKING ABOUT REPERATION'S.I MEAN CALI,NEW MEXICO,ARIZONA TEXAS,WERE ALL APART OF MEXICO AT 1 POINT IN TIME.BUT IM NOT TRIPPING ON REPERATION'S.ILL NEVER SEE ANY MONEY FROM THIS GOVERNMENT.BLACK PEOPLE AND NATIVE AMERICAN'S WONT EITHER.SLAVERY WAS A TERRIABLE THING REPERATIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME.AND WITH THE NATIVE'S ISNT THE INDIAN CASINO'S A FORM OF PAYBACK?IVE HEARD OF NATIVE'S GETTING CHECK'S FROM THE CASINO'S.THERE WAS A LOT OF INJUSTICE DONE TO ALOT OF PEOPLE.IT'S THE WAY OF THE WORLD,NO LOVE.
 

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Im with Reese on this. You ever go to someones house, see their fucked up ass family, and go "man, those kids got no fuckin chance." That, unfortunately, is a metaphor for modern day black America. Yes, attitudes and ideas have to change within the black community, but I dont believe we as the rest of America have done our part to allow that to happen.
I've been to houses with white and mexican families that had no fuckin' chance, too...color is irrelevant because there are ignorant and broke people EVERYWHERE, from all backgrounds.

This is not a reality for every black family in America though. So, how do you explain to somebody that got off their ass and made it, that slavery is still affecting them and holding them back? You can't. You can sit there and argue with them until you're blue in the face, but folks that have done something to better their situation will only disagree with you...because they are proof that anybody can do it. I've seen two friends of mine (both black) argue about this shit...one thinking the government owes him and the other telling him he's full of shit.

Just a few examples. Oprah Winfrey, Chris Rock, Quincy Jones, Berry Gordy, Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson, Cedric, Steve Harvey, Jackie Robinson, etc etc.

Quincy and Berry both came up on a hostile time and STILL started making their money...so how do you explain that?
 
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Reese I respect your opinion....It's nice to be able to have a conversation without it resorting to kid-like name calling.

My only question is, when does an oppressed people (black or otherwise) decide to stop blaming the past for all of their present day problems and change themselves?

No one can go back and change the fucked up shit that happened...But handing out free money to people won't solve any problems.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that. We'll just agree to disagree but that definitely doesn't mean I'm saying "I'm right, you're wrong".
I agree that black people need to stop blaming the past for all of their present day problems and change themselves. But I just don't think its going to be that easy. Every black community in America suffers from the same symptoms and has for years and years, that indicates systematic disadvantage that has been built into society and into black culture for years and years.

I had an interesting argument several years back in GOM about black genocide, reperations, etc. I guess what I learned from that argument is really, if you're white and you believe x and y, its okay to believe that, but x and y didn't happen to your people. Its not up to us as white people to decide if blacks suffered genocide or deserve reparations etc. It's okay to have an opinion, but we didn't suffer from American slavery and genocide the way Blacks in America have. If African Americans who did suffer believe x and y, you should always take that argument into account, because it happened to them, not you.
 
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this my be going a lil off topic but,my lady's brother is about 23.he's been in and out of prison for the past 4 years.we went out of our way and let him parole to our house in the begining of the year.he was full of jail house talk,yeah im gunna get a job,do better ect.now i know im not the greatest role model cause im affilated and doing what im doing,but i tried to help dude find a job.took him to see his p.o .he lived at our house rent free for 2 month's.my lady bought him clothes,shoes,food.she gave him money.basically bent over backwards for the dude.he started drinking then he started fucking with cris.we kicked him out.he lasted 3 more months then he got busted again.he picked up another year.shit he just called my lady this morning and asked if he could parole again to our house when he get's out lol.dude's cool when he isnt all fucked up,but he isnt coming back to our house again.now here's the question what race do you all think he is????ill answer later on..
 
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this my be going a lil off topic but,my lady's brother is about 23.he's been in and out of prison for the past 4 years.we went out of our way and let him parole to our house in the begining of the year.he was full of jail house talk,yeah im gunna get a job,do better ect.now i know im not the greatest role model cause im affilated and doing what im doing,but i tried to help dude find a job.took him to see his p.o .he lived at our house rent free for 2 month's.my lady bought him clothes,shoes,food.she gave him money.basically bent over backwards for the dude.he started drinking then he started fucking with cris.we kicked him out.he lasted 3 more months then he got busted again.he picked up another year.shit he just called my lady this morning and asked if he could parole again to our house when he get's out lol.dude's cool when he isnt all fucked up,but he isnt coming back to our house again.now here's the question what race do you all think he is????ill answer later on..
since you said he fucks with meth my guess is he's white?? lol
 

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NO SIR.
For you & Sydal.

Yes, Reparations aint shit to you, cause your people never had to go through what went on. So it wouldnt matter to you anyway. SO I can see where you would say its a crock of "shit". Then I see when you post how proud you are of your Italian heritage, and whenever someone comes on here and even remotely disrespects Italians, you are on top of it quick fast. You have even taken it upon yourself to answer Mafia questions, because of the Itailian references. With that said, I'm very much surprised to see that you didnt get on the person who posted FUCK COLUMBUS DAY.:confused:

Back to the subject. Reparations would be a start, but not an end all, not a solution. True I have never been a slave, nor my parents, or grandparents. BUT, I still have to deal with the residual effects of what that did to my people. Where others, like yourself, can benefit from what was done 1555 to when slavery was so-called abolished. Sydal said that slavery has been going on, and that some of the blacks even sold they own. True that, but this is a people as described in the bible, "in a land not thier own, worshipping a God not their own, and afflicted for 400 years" its goes on to say, "you will find the carcass of this once great people in the land where the eagles soar". I said that to say this. Yes there was slavery in the world, but what happened to the Black Man/Woman in the Wildrenss of North America was unlike any other. A total debreifing of what once was. All those others who were slaves can still speak thier native language, point to the land they come from, have a culture of thier own. We dont know our original language, religion, culture. As evidenced by these people out here celebrating these paganistic holidays. So there IS a responsibility, and oh yes, it lays somewhere. It lays with those who benefit from the trans-Atlantic slave trade. It lays with those decendants of those. And for the record, I'm with the Native people gettin what they got coming. These "cowboys" totally tried to kill off that whole race. Trail of Tears, setting up reservations, giving them blankets infected with small pox. I will be happy to address anything else Sir, and I do it movin! Mosque #73 Sac, CA.
Let me start with the Columbus Day thing, because I found it kind of amusing. Columbus did nothing for his own country, and really did nothing for THIS country...so why would an Italian like myself go in and defend him? He worked for the Spanish, and landed in the wrong place. THEN, he did a lot of foul shit and we recognize his "day"...but really, fuck his day.

Now, about reparations. That would be a start? Who would pay these reparations? I'll give you a hint...you and I. The government does not come out of pocket for shit...they decide something and then the taxpayers foot the bill. So, if you want to pay for reparations go right ahead, but I'm not going to do it.

A) Because "In 1865, after the Confederate States of America were defeated in the American Civil War, General William Tecumseh Sherman issued Special Field Orders, No. 15 to solve problems caused by the masses of refugees, a temporary plan granting each freed family forty acres of tillable land in the sea islands and around Charleston, South Carolina for the exclusive use of black people who had been enslaved. The army also had a number of unneeded mules which were given to settlers. Around 40,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (1,600 km²) in Georgia and South Carolina.

B) Because no matter what ANYBODY says, my family had nothing to do with slavery in America. Fuck, we didn't get here until the 20th century.

Anybody in the Nation can say what they want about white people. Am I privileged because of slavery? No. Do I have what I have because of slavery? No. Can a white person be successful because of slavery? Maybe descendants of slave owners have privilege because of slavery, but I'm not one of them. I'm not rich. Does Oprah have all her money because of slavery? Or is it because she worked hard? If it's because she worked hard, how come if I succeed it's because of this "white privilege" and not hard work like every non-white person out there? I'm white and broke as fuck, you can't tell me about no "privilege".

About OJ. Why do people always use OJ as an argument? I didn't sue OJ for wrongful death. Why is it "white people" and not "The Goldman's"?? If Clay Aiken killed Ron and Nicole, the Goldman's would have done the same thing and won...given the same amount of evidence that they had in the OJ case. That Civil suit was won because there was more than enough evidence to find OJ "RESPONSIBLE" for what happened.

Fact of the matter is, if a black dude shoots and kills somebody, and people of other races shake their heads and say, "Ugh, black people...always killing", that's going to be HELL for them because they went and grouped one race together because of one mans actions. When REALLY, black folks are like, "This fuckin' idiot does not represent my race". It's the same thing with white people. Why can you and the Nation group white people together, and say WHITE PEOPLE do this and WHITE PEOPLE do that....then go get pissed off and have a media day when a white person makes the same kind of comment? Yes, SOME white people are fucked up. Yes, SOME white folks made some fucked up laws and what not...but I am not SOME white people, just like Shea and Mark are not SOME white people. We are people that happen to be white, and don't appreciate being grouped with everybody else...just like I'm sure you don't appreciate it.
 
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I've volunteered at schools in inner-city San Francisco and watched just about any kid with a little bravado over-run their teachers. In one instance a teacher showed up to class without her hair combed in jeans and an old shirt. She didn't even shower because she smelled like B-O. The chldren just dont take that shit seriously. When I came in and lectured I wrecked shop. Kids would sit in their fuckin seats and if they didn't I'd put a dot on the chalkboard and make them touch their nose to it and stand like that the rest of the lecture. Its not difficult to teach children mentioned in the above paragraph, it takes critical character traits that many teachers lack, including, leadership, extrovert personalities, caring about the people you teach, and being confrontational.
uh yeah sure....

give those black kids a black male teacher and i bet you theyll respect him.

i know, because i had to go to some shit on wednesday that was like me, 25 other black kids and a black dude teaching it...that was the best class of the day..

it could be a black female, too
even spanish teachers i never sased up my spanish teachers cuz i knew they could go off
its not about the teachers. i agree having a black or ethnic teacher they can relate to helps...but its a small step towards resolving the problem. kids just have no interest in learning...thats it. theyll respond to a black dude for a little bit. what i have going for me is that im young and mexican...so they can relate to me and consider me "hip" compared to the other older and/or whiter teachers. so theyll be cool with me. and when we just sit and shoot the shit its great...and if i tell them to get their books out and start doing work, at first they may actually start doing it...but after a while the novelty of the cool young teacher wears off and they remember how much they hate doing work...and thats it.

I agree it is hard to teach us. We kno when people tellin us bullshit even at a young age. Thats all u learn in school for the most part is bullshit. School will have you thinkin the pilgrims were cool, and that MLK only made 1 speech so fuck that author and his opinion. He said they was dancin in class-ok teach em about the Minstrel shows back in the day and show em how relevant it is today in hip hop and see if they still wanna git they Soulja Boy on.
its not what kids are taught either. i used to believe in that whole theory of "what they teach is bullshit...thats why they don't want to learn..." kids dont know theyre being taught bullshit or gospel...cause they really just DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT...theyre not actually listening. you can go in and start teaching about some down ass pulling wool over eyes, revelation type shit..and even relate it to modern day shit theyre into...but while some few kids may be hooked (which is great, and at the end of the day who you do it for) the majority of the kids are really not caring...its the truth. ive seen it for years.

quick example: this one teacher i once worked along side of. big, black, and smart as hell. i learned a lot from him and respect as much as any teacher ive ever watched do their thing. deep voice, very stern, had like 5 kids who he treated like little soldiers, and theyre all doing great (good grades, sports, etc.)...he brought that same style to the classroom and and taught me a lot on how to maintain order in a class. well he would sometimes go on some real talk lectures about 9/11, racial oppression, etc. all that good stuff....but the majority of the kids just did not care. a few did, but the majority had their minds in a whole nother place. theyd listen in when they heard the word black people or something, but tune out soon after...just the way it is

this is real life, not one of those fairy tale dangerous minds schools
He reminds me of my Marketing teacher at Serra High in Dago. He loved my homeboy Gerald and my ex boyfriend and went to all of their basketball games. Gerald was in my class. One day I stood up and had on this little outfit and this surfer boy was like, "damn girl!" the teacher laughed because he was looking too. Then about a week later my friend Gerald does the same thing to me. The teacher sent him to the office. He was so upset And said Gerald had sexually harrassed me. I was like you and the surfer boy did the same shit last week! But The basketball team had just lost in the play offs.
Back to my ex. The co captain of the basketball team. White girls used to give him head on demand. This one affluent white girl was proud of it. I was like, "why are you sucking my mans dick?" she was not embarrassed and was like, "I didn't know you two were still together" I couldn't even get mad because I thought sucking dick was nasty. That's why Somore said us sisters need to start sucking dick because white girls keep a black dick in their mouths.
How about Shakespeare? In Othello when he thinks his white wife is cheating he says, you are disgusting now you are black to me. In Much To Do About Nothing he says ugliness is being an Ethiopian.their greatest writer shits on black people in everyone of his plays. What makes himso great? Because they say so. When I wrote my senior research paper titled, "shakespeare the racist" my teacher said Shakespeare had never left England. Plus I learned later that all of his sonnets were written for a man. I got an A. The previous year in Georgia I wrote a paper about most of the Egyptian pharaohs being black. My teacher gave me an F saying my sources were not aurhorative and the Pharaohs were not black. My mom has a masters and was on her ASS. Everyday I walked into that school under a confederate flag.
I got close to 50 of these stories.
Of and that fags little comment about teaching us about Marcus Garvey. My white teachers who were suspect loved him because he wanted blacks to go back to Africa. That is only a part of Garvey the only part they teach.
In conclusion, fuck that author and give me my motha fuckin reparations! Yall is RACIS!
by far the most insightful and relevent post of the thread...
 

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This convo is gettin' a bit heated and off topic....everyone just take a step back and respect the other's opinion. Everyone will never always see "eye to eye" and that's a fact. That's also what makes this country great even with all of its faults. People CAN have a difference of opinion and not get jailed or executed for it.
 
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AND BY THE WAY MY LADY'S BROTHER IS WHITE.GOLD DEEZ CALLED IT.AND TRUST ME HE DIDNT GROW UP PRIVLEGED [SP] AT ALL.HE GREW UP IN THE EAST.AND HAS NO SELF CONTROL.HE'S ONE HELL OF A COOK THOUGH.HE COULD BE A CHEF IF HE STRAITENES HIM SELF OUT.THE POINT OF MY EARLY'R POST IS THAT THERE ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE OF EVERY CREED N COLOR.I COULD GIVE DUDE 1MIL AND HE WOULD SMOKE HIMSELF TO DEATH.NO COMMON SENSE....
 

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This convo is gettin' a bit heated and off topic....everyone just take a step back and respect the other's opinion. Everyone will never always see "eye to eye" and that's a fact. That's also what makes this country great even with all of its faults. People CAN have a difference of opinion and not get jailed or executed for it.
Agreed. I respect everybody's opinion, but I love a good debate.
 

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AND BY THE WAY MY LADY'S BROTHER IS WHITE.GOLD DEEZ CALLED IT.AND TRUST ME HE DIDNT GROW UP PRIVLEGED [SP] AT ALL.HE GREW UP IN THE EAST.AND HAS NO SELF CONTROL.HE'S ONE HELL OF A COOK THOUGH.HE COULD BE A CHEF IF HE STRAITENES HIM SELF OUT.THE POINT OF MY EARLY'R POST IS THAT THERE ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE OF EVERY CREED N COLOR.I COULD GIVE DUDE 1MIL AND HE WOULD SMOKE HIMSELF TO DEATH.NO COMMON SENSE....
EXACTLY!