what do u think of that new E-40 Revenue Retrieven' ????
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no pimp its quite simple. maybe cuz i make beats and been a hip hop head for the longest (finna be 28 in june) so this is what we are saying. a "mobb beat", in general, has minor chords in it, is played in minor keys and has certain elements and a sinister melody that are in it. "Weedman" sounds like mobb shit. "Trained to Go" sounds like mobb shit (do you hear how sinister the synths and the keys are being played?) "Rock Day" by J-stalin sounds like mobb music (please remember im only talking the BEATS). A majority of the beats on here are basic kicks and claps and some repeat chanting hooks, a random key note here or there (if any). So if you were to compare the style of beats on here to some "mobb shit" as far as BEATS go, then these beats are more comparable to a hyphy style (uptempo, stripped down, call back and forth chants) as far as song structure goes. Once again, I feel people are taking the lyrical content of his spits and are incorrectly labeling the BEATS as mobbish. No. The mobbish funky way that he spits his lyrics and the game filled verses are what is providing that feeling. We are only saying that the beats are lacking. if it wasnt for 40 spitting game on them shits, then i dunno how this album would sound for anybody else, the beats sound incomplete...
I agree the beats are stripped down... to a phat Bass Kick, a Snare that snaps, and lil high hats... mixed with a little mpc sample
with 40 ripping them to shreds
I miss those mobb ass bass lines though!!! thats my only critique shoulda not been entire bass kick + bap...
but overall this album is superb, I am happy, and I have subs in my ride and the shit fucking SLAPS!
with 40 ripping them to shreds
I miss those mobb ass bass lines though!!! thats my only critique shoulda not been entire bass kick + bap...
but overall this album is superb, I am happy, and I have subs in my ride and the shit fucking SLAPS!
Its got nothing to do with you being a hiphop head for a long time, your finna turn 28 soon, while im 28 already and been listening to hiphop since 1987, so cut it with that kinda bs.
Beats dont have to be complicated to be good. Yes I prefer the beats E40 use to rock but these are still good in there own right. At first they sounded basic as you said, but then they grew one me. Its got nothing to do with knowing about production or more of "hiphop head" how you put it. I been in the studio with the likes of Bounty Killer and many more back in the day, I know my rap and jazz music.
Sure I prefer some samples or some live bass/instruments or bay area production from the 90's (In A Major Way or old Spice1/Killa Tay albums) but you cant have everything exactly how you want it. I dont find the beats on here to be extremely bland like you do, it took me awhile to enjoy them but now I do. Its a new day and age and 40 Water spits mob lyrics over these beats perfectly. There are only 2 beats that I dont like on this album.
This is more of a futurisitic mob sound to me after soaking it in. The whole midi sound of alot of todays rap music took awhile for me to enjoy but now I can appreciate it for what it is. The production from Rick Rock and Droope here has grown on me and at first I thought the beats where a little basic or lacking, but after more time with them im enjoying them alot more.
Sure if I was rocking these beats I would add a bit more to em, but this is the sound E40, Droope and Rick Rock wanted to go with and its grown on me.
We cant have In A Major Way, Game Related and Hall Of Game productino on every e40 album, even If i would like that. Sure some of the beats on here are not typical old school bay mobb beats but they still fit 40's mobb lyrics and flow well, therefore to me its a mobb album. Overall with the lyrics combined with the beats, this is more mobb then hyphy to me when combine the production and lyrics.
Sometimes more simpler beats work and to me this is one of those cases. At first I thought the same thing youll thought, but my opinion has changed and the beats/production have grown on me. E40s lyrics are still the highlight of the album but the production is not bad at all to me anymore.
Yes I would love some live bass lines and more mobish synths, but this still is good once it soaked in to me, its more of a new aged mobb album. Production can still be well done if its not your personal favorite or how you would do things.
Trained To Go, Hes A Gangsta, Weedman, Everyday Is A Weekend, Undastandz Me.. those are all straight slap to me, sure this TYPE of production usualyl isnt my favorite but it grew on me.
Beats dont have to be complicated to be good. Yes I prefer the beats E40 use to rock but these are still good in there own right. At first they sounded basic as you said, but then they grew one me. Its got nothing to do with knowing about production or more of "hiphop head" how you put it. I been in the studio with the likes of Bounty Killer and many more back in the day, I know my rap and jazz music.
Sure I prefer some samples or some live bass/instruments or bay area production from the 90's (In A Major Way or old Spice1/Killa Tay albums) but you cant have everything exactly how you want it. I dont find the beats on here to be extremely bland like you do, it took me awhile to enjoy them but now I do. Its a new day and age and 40 Water spits mob lyrics over these beats perfectly. There are only 2 beats that I dont like on this album.
This is more of a futurisitic mob sound to me after soaking it in. The whole midi sound of alot of todays rap music took awhile for me to enjoy but now I can appreciate it for what it is. The production from Rick Rock and Droope here has grown on me and at first I thought the beats where a little basic or lacking, but after more time with them im enjoying them alot more.
Sure if I was rocking these beats I would add a bit more to em, but this is the sound E40, Droope and Rick Rock wanted to go with and its grown on me.
We cant have In A Major Way, Game Related and Hall Of Game productino on every e40 album, even If i would like that. Sure some of the beats on here are not typical old school bay mobb beats but they still fit 40's mobb lyrics and flow well, therefore to me its a mobb album. Overall with the lyrics combined with the beats, this is more mobb then hyphy to me when combine the production and lyrics.
Sometimes more simpler beats work and to me this is one of those cases. At first I thought the same thing youll thought, but my opinion has changed and the beats/production have grown on me. E40s lyrics are still the highlight of the album but the production is not bad at all to me anymore.
Yes I would love some live bass lines and more mobish synths, but this still is good once it soaked in to me, its more of a new aged mobb album. Production can still be well done if its not your personal favorite or how you would do things.
Trained To Go, Hes A Gangsta, Weedman, Everyday Is A Weekend, Undastandz Me.. those are all straight slap to me, sure this TYPE of production usualyl isnt my favorite but it grew on me.
naw im not saying that it needs to go back to anything or whatnot and you know how it is on this board (i been on since '05) so i gotta state the age for internet purposes to not be looked at sideways. I dont want no old mobb sounding ish, it needs to be updated out here in the bay area though!
IMO, a future updated mobb sound is the sound (sonically) that is present on "Weedman" and "Trained to Go". Thats all Im saying. I dont think the rest of the stripped down beats are futuristic mobbish sounding at all, maybe if in the future the beats were finished then yeah, but for me a majority of the MUSICAL INSTRUMENTATION, THE MUSICAL FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH THE LYRICS, its dummy stripped down. If it wasnt for 40's voice being the "mobb sound" on the tracks, you would have a cd full of kicks and claps. that shit is boring as hell! (as far as the beats go, not the lyrics not the lyrics not the lyrics, BUY THE ALBUM FOR THE LYRICS!!!!) im saying as a fan of the whole complete sound of "Mobb", the beats dont match the dope ass spits 40 is kicking.
IMO, a future updated mobb sound is the sound (sonically) that is present on "Weedman" and "Trained to Go". Thats all Im saying. I dont think the rest of the stripped down beats are futuristic mobbish sounding at all, maybe if in the future the beats were finished then yeah, but for me a majority of the MUSICAL INSTRUMENTATION, THE MUSICAL FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH THE LYRICS, its dummy stripped down. If it wasnt for 40's voice being the "mobb sound" on the tracks, you would have a cd full of kicks and claps. that shit is boring as hell! (as far as the beats go, not the lyrics not the lyrics not the lyrics, BUY THE ALBUM FOR THE LYRICS!!!!) im saying as a fan of the whole complete sound of "Mobb", the beats dont match the dope ass spits 40 is kicking.
If E-40 didnt like or approve these beats dont you think he would let Rick Rock or Droope know? He aint with Lil John for this album so he aint gotta worry about doing some radio songs for the mainstream he can do what he wants with these two albums. I dont think he woulda spit on all these beats if he wasnt feelin em. If it was someone else rappin over these I probably wouldnt like them as much, but they fit 40s flow and lyrics to me.
of course he would, im not saying that 40 has a bad ear or anything like that, i can see that he is trying to find something new and a "new mobb" sound. what im saying is that for THIS go around, the "New Mobb" sound (AS FAR AS THE BEATS GO) doesnt seem to have been perfected for this album. Next go around may be different production wise but for this one, the sonic undertone of the album is too stripped down for the mobb ass lyrics.
what these people are sayin about the beats is like listening to rick james or james brown sing to JUST the drummer and not the rest of the band.of course people will still like it but some will ask,wheres the rest of the band?why most of the songs its just him and the drummer?i feel what they sayin about the beats but if yall up on the new shit thats popular its about jerking right now and those are the type of beats these kids are into.my nephew asked me to make them some jerking beats for their dance crew.i asked them whats a jerk beat? one said "ITS JUST DRUMS AND A CLAP KIND OF FAST" this was before i heard 40 new album.so when i heard 40 water new album it was almost the same type of beats i made for my nephews!40 is mixing the old generation (the lyrics) with the new generation (the beats) and he pulling it off really well imo.i like most of the slower songs (mob shit) on 40 new albums but the new generation is going to jerk they ass off to those faster beats lol.
you know ive listened to both cds prob 6-7 times by now
and theyve grown on me a lot - u guys saying the beats are missing other instruments, 40 IS THE OTHER INSTRUMENT
like, that's what it sounds like he was trying to do... take it back to the old school sound, when the beats were stripped down (i still bump some of that old too short where it's just him and the bassline) and take it back to the rappin / game spittin
ultimately - what e40 should do - is release the ACAPELLAS FOR BOTH THESE CD'S. this is very hard to get a major to do, but he's doing his own shit now, he can do what he wants - i'd love to hear both these cd's remixed and see what people can come up with cuz the raps are on point
and theyve grown on me a lot - u guys saying the beats are missing other instruments, 40 IS THE OTHER INSTRUMENT
like, that's what it sounds like he was trying to do... take it back to the old school sound, when the beats were stripped down (i still bump some of that old too short where it's just him and the bassline) and take it back to the rappin / game spittin
ultimately - what e40 should do - is release the ACAPELLAS FOR BOTH THESE CD'S. this is very hard to get a major to do, but he's doing his own shit now, he can do what he wants - i'd love to hear both these cd's remixed and see what people can come up with cuz the raps are on point
exactly my 9 year old daughter be into that type of jerk music. and i can tell most the jerk beats these days was just simply made on a mpc only or even just on fruity loops. I think 40 was spittin on here vintage like he been doing but production wise he was just keeping up with times with his sound.
also imo Night Shift disc is better
thats how im feeling
that would be dope...
i already feel u can add your own sounds to his skeleton tracks on pro tools and probably come with sum better beats.
40 does spit that gas tho. ill give him that....
my theroy: 40 signed a 2 album deal with a label they cashed him out at like 20-30 racks and e-40 turned around and said instead of 1 album now and another in the fall how bout i bang 2 out right now get out this contract collect my loot and move on.....im not saying forty didnt put his all in this but maybe that can explain 2 albums same day... who would do this in todays economy of downloads and super low record sales???????
and the beats were not to my liking .... man i wanted to like these albums. we needed some new material from a reliable artist outta Northern Cali.
Now that dinner and a movie did not insult me at all i id d/l it and imma buy it this friday.
40 could put out a whole album where all the beats were just 808 kicks turned up to +6 db and his diehard groupie fans would think it was the greatest shit ever because 40s raps go hard and the beats blow their subs out.
Rap music without the beats, would just be spoken word/poetry, most these beats can barely be considered music cause they're so wack. With that being said the only Good song is stillettos and jeans.
Rap music without the beats, would just be spoken word/poetry, most these beats can barely be considered music cause they're so wack. With that being said the only Good song is stillettos and jeans.