Top Rank & Golden Boy agree to all terms - the fight is in floyds hands

[Tony]

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/07/did-pacquiao-duck-mosley/

"It’s true that Cotto has a 12 round decision win over Mosley in 2007, but Cotto doesn’t look to be the same fighter he was back then. He was beaten badly in a loss to Antonio Margarito last year and hasn’t looked the same since then. Cotto looked less than convincing in beating Joshua Clottey in a 12 round split decision last month."

"Pacquiao is a great fighter, but it seems like he did a duck job in bypassing a fight against Mosley for a bout against Cotto. If Mosley wasn’t fighting so well right now, I could understand Pacquiao not wanting to fight him. But the fact remains that Mosley just recently defeated arguably the toughest fighter in the welterweight division in Antonio Margarito. So why isn’t Pacquiao fighting Mosley rather than Cotto?"

That would explain a lot, wouldn’t it? Things were easy for Pacquiao and Roach to dismiss a fight with Mosley earlier when he said that he wasn’t interested in coming down to 143. However, when Mosley stepped up and called their bluff by saying that he would not only come down to 143, he’d also be willing to fight Pacquiao at an even lower weight than that by fighting him at 140.

"This offer fell on deaf ears and was seemingly ignored by Pacquiao’s management team. It seems as if Pacquiao’s management team were never seriously interested in a fight with Mosley, because if they were, the 140 and the offer of a smaller pay cut, they should have been enough to make the fight happen."

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Hey smart guy our bet would have been "money" as in cash on the table.....

So if we were to bet I would be bringing cash money mayne.

You've been watching too many movies, bro. Nobody shows up with large amounts of cash in bags in real life.

Unless you're planning on only betting a couple hundred bucks. In which case, no bet.

We're probably arguing over nothing, anyway. Like I said, I'll likely be in Vegas.

 

[Tony]

You've been watching too many movies, bro. Nobody shows up with large amounts of cash in bags in real life.

Unless you're planning on only betting a couple hundred bucks. In which case, no bet.

We're probably arguing over nothing, anyway. Like I said, I'll likely be in Vegas.

Now you're ducking me like Pacquiao is ducking Floyd/Mosely.

You act like I'm going to show up with bags of cash from one of them armored trucks or something bruh....

We can put a few racks on the fight if you want. It doesn't take bags to carry a few racks.

We don't need to bet racks.... we could bet 5 bucks and a 6 pack of beer if you want. I just want to laugh in your face after Floyd whoops Pacman's ass. But more than likely you'll be (or claim to be) in Vegas so you can eye witness that ass whoopin in person.

 

[Tony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6fmB1XQefU&feature=player_embedded

This was after he fought Oscar at 147 and knocked Ricky out at 140 so why he couldn't he fight Mosely at 147?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

wow tony, i cannot believe you just posted a Manuel Perez article. lmao that would be like me writing about George Bush.

Here are some awesome examples of Manuel Perez on Pacquiao:

Pacquiao will be chopped up bit by bit from the big punches of Cotto. Pacquiao’s face will start to change early in the bout, as his eyes begin to bleed, his nose will twist and lay askew on his swollen face, and Pacquiao’s lips will bleed red making him look as if he’s wearing a ton of red lipstick. The crowd and the ringside media will be in shock as they stand by helplessly witnessing Pacquiao’s savage beating by the more powerful and determined Cotto.​

acquiao will come out for the 4th round looking like a survivor of a terrible car crash, dripping with blood and yet still smiling as if he’s not all there. Cotto, a nice fighter, will shake his head in disappointment knowing that he’s going to have to finish Pacquiao off. Cotto will then launch into Pacquiao with right hands, and tag him with a huge shot that will send Pacquiao down face first on the canvas.​

Pacquiao will be so hurt and covered blood he won’t do anything to brace his fall and his face will hit the canvas and leave big bloody mess. The referee will step in and stop the brutal slaughter at this point. The ringside medical staff will immediately be summoned to cart Pacquiao away and take him to a nearby hospital for observation.​

That was written just before the cotto fight.

This is Perez immediately after the pac-cotto fight:

I don’t care if Miguel Cotto lost, Manny Pacquiao looked like crap to me.​

lol

Perez before Ricky Hatton fight:

Ricky Hatton, by far, is going to be the best opponent of his career on May 2nd.​

Perez AFTER the Ricky Hatton fight:

I don’t care if Ricky Hatton lost by a 2nd round knockout to Manny Pacquiao last Saturday night, I think Hatton is still the better fighter of the two.​

lol this guy is a joke to the boxing community and I'm pretty sure he committed suicide

 

[Tony]

That still doesn't explain why Manny ducked Mosely while Mosely was at the top of 147 division. He fought Oscar at 147 but didn't wouldn't fight Mosely? So he chooses to fight Cotto (who had already lost to Margarito by devastating knockout).

So let's see.... he fought Oscar and Clottey at 147 but wouldn't fight Shane at 147?

And why fight Oscar when Freddy admitted that Oscar couldn't pull the trigger anymore?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Jesus Tony, it's like you have no time frame, no perspective at all.

Pacquiao moved up from 130 to 135 to fight Diaz. Oscar had this crazy idea to fight him at 147. It was supposed to be a one time thing because of the money. Pac wieghed in at 141 pounds for that fight and that's after eating three meals.

Pac goes back down to 140, fights the man at that division in ricky hatton (this is months after mosley fought margarito). meanwhile, around the same time cotto beats clottey and wins a belt and there is talk of them two fighting. Pac then decides to test the waters at welterweight, takes on cotto at 145 for his belt and the rest is history.

Again, I don't know how fighting cotto, who beat mosley, is a duck. It's either guy - shane or cotto. Who's the bigger name? Who brings in more money? Which fight makes most sense (top rank or golden boy)? Again, it's all simple mathemetics. Cotto vs Pac did 1.25 million buys and it's all in house.

A better question is why didn't floyd fight shane instead of marquez? Remember, shane was waiting for a fight and the SAME DAY of Hatton vs Pacquiao, floyd announces his fight against Marquez, who was two weight classes below him.

In addition shane hurt himself for waiting 1.5 years before fighting again. He should have fought in 2009 and stayed fresh in peoples memory. By the time pac and cotto fought it had been almost an entire year since mosley stepped in the ring.

 

[bigface]

Fatal Nyghtmare I'm still waiting on your list of elite in their prime fighters that Pac-Man has fought?? I gave you my list and records of the fighter before Mayweather beat them up. I'm asking you just to name two elite fighters in there prime that Pac-Man fought? Please no fighter that mayweather beat-up first. Or are you DUCKING MY QUESTI0N??? LOL..

 

[2-0-Sixx]

marquez
morales & MAB were 28 & 29 years old
clottey
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba had 7 bantamweight title defenses before losing to Pac
Cotto was 28 years old although you can make the claim he was a bit shop warn after margarito

 

[bigface]

Mr Cleen you seem to know your boxing.. Most of today's so called elite fighter are HBO hype jobs. I'm sick of Pac-Man fans. That man has fought no one with hand-speed or foot work. Nothing but come forward no defense having washed up damaged fighter. He fought Hatton after Money beat him up for 10 rds, Cotto after Stone-Hands beat him up for 10rds, and now he's fighting Stone-Hands after Mosley beat him up for 10rds. This is all facts people. Now please tell me I'm wrong?? He fought one fighter with skills Marquez and got beat up both times. What did Mayweather do to Marquez?

 

[drunkaholic707]

lol yet manny KO'd hatton in what 2 rounds floyd knows if he gets caught like he did in the mosley fight its lights out cause pacman aint gettin gassed thats why floyd is still dodging like he has always done with fighters in there prime

 

[2-0-Sixx]

mayweather was two weight classes bigger than marquez. How is this hard for you and tony to realize? Pacquiao was fighting at 135 pounds a year ago. Pacquiao fought Marquez at 130 pounds and 126 pounds. Floyd has been a welterweight for 6 years.

Part of the problem is you two think floyd and pac are the same size. They aren't! Which is what makes what Pac has done so impressive. You simply do not see fighters very often, or ever, go up from 130 pounds to 147 and beat all the top guys in a period of a year and a half. And not only beat them but destroy them. You just don't. I mean, sure, Floyd beat Hatton already...at 147 pounds which wasn't natural for Hatton. in 10 rounds. Pac beats Hatton in 2 rounds at his natural weight class of 140. And pac was the smaller guy going up in weight.

Again, both of yous lack perspective and understanding.

It would be the equivalent of let's say, Sergio Martinez beating Pavlik at middleweight, then moving up and beating Andre Ward at super middleweight, then moving up and beating Chad Dawson at light heavyweight. it's crazy talk

 

[drunkaholic707]

 

[drunkaholic707]

bigface is tonys cousin or brother they both dont seem to grasp the concepts that are being explained to em

 

[bigface]

2-0-Sixx you're going to sit here and tell me that MAB and Morales was not damaged goods, because of there fights with eachother before Pac-Man? Cottley = no punching/punching bag. Cotto damaged goods. You give him credit for Marquez but not the Mayweather 12rd boxing lesson? I'm still waiting on that elite prime fighter he fought because that list is nothing but damaged goods, a punching bag, and a no name.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Now you're ducking me like Pacquiao is ducking Floyd/Mosely.

You act like I'm going to show up with bags of cash from one of them armored trucks or something bruh....

We can put a few racks on the fight if you want. It doesn't take bags to carry a few racks.

We don't need to bet racks.... we could bet 5 bucks and a 6 pack of beer if you want. I just want to laugh in your face after Floyd whoops Pacman's ass. But more than likely you'll be (or claim to be) in Vegas so you can eye witness that ass whoopin in person.

Sorry Tony, but I don't think of you or anyone else on this board in real life. If Fraud stops being such a pussy and fights Pacquiao, I will remember to clown you when I log onto the Siccness, but you won't hit my mind a second before that. Meaning, I don't care enough about you to want to throw something in your face in real life. Here, sure. I'll be in SF if I'm not in Vegas. I told you you're welcome to come, but I won't ditch my fam to hang with some dude on the Siccness. It's not gonna happen. They hold big ass parties just for semi-big fights, I can imagine what they're gonna wanna do for a Fraud Vs. Manny fight.

If you want to bet and I'm not at the fight, cool. I just told you where I'll be if I don't attend the fight, so get at me for more info and name your price. If I am in Vegas, put your money on Fraud so my payout will increase a little.

Luckily for me, there are casual fans who will place big money on Fraud due to his record and fraudulent status in boxing. And then there's people like you, with Fraud's manhood depriving you of oxygen, who will place wagers on the guy even though you know deep down his record is a joke and his fighting style is reliant upon superior speed, which he will not have against Pacquiao. Fraud is weak. He runs around the ring like a punk bitch, waiting for a slower puncher to make a mistake or for them to run out of gas. Pacquiao can go 12 rounds without gassing out, look at the Clottey fight, and he is as fast or faster with his hands than Fraud. This fight won't be like the Marquez or Mosley fight, where both of them ran out of gas and allowed Fraud to do whatever he wants.

Fraud has never fought anyone like Pacquiao and he doesn't want any of it. He played his little game when he knew Manny wouldn't agree to his demands and he thought Manny wouldn't agree this time around, either. Be real, that's the only reason he didn't say shit about not wanting to fight this year until AFTER Pacquiao agreed to all his bullshit. Fuck him saying it to some cancer patient, he never made that statement publicly until after Pacquiao agreed to his blood testing demands. If he really just didn't want to fight this year, he should have said something the last 2 months instead of waiting until Pacquiao agreed to his demands. He was trying to look like the man on top by letting Pacquiao refuse his demands, but it backfired. Period.

Everyone sees it but you Fraud dick riders. Look around in the media, man. Be real.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

If MAB was damaged goods, then how in the world did he go on an 8 fight winning streak after beating morales, including wins over Prince Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, and Kevin Kelley? lol come on man! Just because you have a war or a good fight, doesn't mean your damaged goods. Is pacquiao damaged goods, because he had a few wars in his day too you know?

And if Morales was so badly damaged, how the hell did he beat pacquiao the first fight?

Your logic does not compute.

And your assessment of Clottey is also flawed. He's still one of the best welterweight fighters in the game, even if he was a punching bag against Pacquiao. I would favor him over Andre Berto and other top guys at 147 (not floyd or pac though obviously).

And you're still talking about Marquez-Floyd? What do you not understand about Pacquiao fighting marquez at 126 & 130 pounds and Floyd fighting Marquez at 147? On top of that Floyd made Marquez come in at 144 pounds and floyd didn't even bother making the catchweight, instead choosing to pay marquez $600,000 for being overweight.

Again, you continue to act like Pacquiao and Marquez are the same size as Floyd. They are not.

 

[bigface]

Kah707kali I don't think you have a clue about what you're talking about fam. What does Hatton being KO'ed by Pac-Man have to do with anything. Money already beat him up all fight and KO'ed in 10rds before Manny. At least 2-0-Sixx comes with valid points i respect that. Let me use your logic for a minute- Pac-Man beat Marquez by 1 point and a one draw. Mayweather beat Marquez like a drum every round, so Pac-Man is scared of Money. Now bring some facts to the thread or go play somewhere.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

man, FLOYD FOUGHT MARQUEZ AT 147 PAC FOUGHT MARQUEZ AT 126 & 130 POUNDS.

Please read that and understand what that means.

Marquez is not a welterweight. Never was never will be. He went up to 144 to fight Floyd for money. Nothing more nothing less. It was his payday fight. That's why he just recently weighed in at 133 pounds against Diaz. Do you understand now? Marquez is a 130-135 pound fighter at best and even 135 is pushing it.

Further, putting the weight and size differences aside for sake of arguement, the triangle theory doesn't work for shit in boxing:
Joe Frazier beat Ali in 15 rounds.
George Foreman killed Joe Frazier in 2 rounds.
Ali beat George Foreman.

Or:
Roberto Duran goes 15 hard rounds with Marvin Hagler.
Tommy Hearns destorys Duran in 2 rounds.
Hagler beats Hearns in 3 rounds.

 

[drunkaholic707]

im not huge into boxing i know 2-0-sixx knows a lot but i can grasp what he is saying as you and tony seem to have trouble with it he provides it with facts yet you two keep bringing up the same question that 2-0-sixx just gave you facts to