Top Rank & Golden Boy agree to all terms - the fight is in floyds hands

[Tony]

Chico was in his prime, he was knocking folks out left and right. He meets Mayweather and then gets spanked.

Pacquiao is going to get it too....

Floyd is waiting for Pacquiao to start having some personal problems so he can talk bad about him before he beats him up in the ring.

@Fatal, Floyd ain't fighting again this year period. Reason being is that Uncle Sam is going to take the money he made from the Shane fight. Floyd has been in the trouble with the IRS before, plus Floyd Sr. and Floyd Jr's accountant, financially speaking, suggested it would be better for his pockets if he fought in 2011 instead of fighting again in 2010.

So he's on vacation spending his bread. He'll be ready for Pacquiao next year. Me and you will have to find somewhere to watch the fight so we could bet and put the scratch on the table. It'll probably be in thearte's. I'd be willing to come to your area at a theatre to watch with it with you.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

Again, I gotta interject when you start puttin too much on that Cotto/Mosely fight. He got the victory, even boxed a helluva fight, but got the token victory. SO please quit the extras you puttin on that fight talkin about he outboxed Mosely. Who you trying to fool or convince? HBO gave him the win. It's happened before in Boxing, and this fight was no different. Trying to usher out an older fighter before his time (ala Jermain Taylor over Hopkins in at least the rematch for sure)

 

[2-0-Sixx]

MR CLEEN you are a die hard mosley fan so I understand you're biased when it comes to that fight. I'm not alone in the slightest bit when I say Cotto out-boxed mosley. It's a fact, he used his boxing abilities to beat mosley. How else could he have won? Naner co-signs that statement too and he's the most unbiased one on here (except when it comes to cuban fights . Cotto deserves credit for beating Mosley.

Using Hopkins vs Taylor is a very poor example, especially considering Hopkins LANDED MORE PUNCHES than Taylor in both fights. Not the case with Cotto vs Mosley.

ESPN had it 115 to 113 for Cotto
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3101252

Two of the judges had it 115 to 113 for Cotto and the last 116-113.

I've watched that fight like 6-7 times it's a clear victory for Cotto

 

[MR. CLEEN]

C'mon dude. I just call em how I see it. I'm a diehard "BOXING" fan, so please don't try to simplify it into me being a die hard Mosely fan. If he would have lost that fight, I would say it. Mosely has won a suspect fight a time or two. I keeps it real.

With that said, Cotto deserved a close loss, but got the win but the winner that night was Mosley. And oh, who landed the most punches is how you view it now? Dude who landed the harder shots? Who's face got pummeled, who was hurt multiple times and almost on their way out in a couple of the last rounds? Yep, Cotto... Of course the media tried to sway what the people saw by giving their very bias point scoring. All the media has to say is Cotto wins on points, but when you watch the fight you see who won, and it wasn't the man who got the decision, at least not in that fight.

Clear victory for Mosley

 

[2-0-Sixx]

well you're definitely in the minority if you hold that belief. It was a close fight for the most part so I don't mind if you have that opinion, I think you should at least admit the scoring was fair though.

And yes, being a big mosley fan can influence your opinion of the fight. Happens all the time. I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe. Do you? I'm in the minority with that opinion but I understand my like for hopkins may have swayed a round a two in his favor if I otherwise wasn't. I accept that.

As for cotto vs mosley, I was neutral. In fact I was upset with cotto because the fight was on pace after 6 rounds onto being fight of the year until cotto boxed the second half of the fight, which made it less entertaining.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

I forgot you got access to the opinions of the entire universe Lol... That's a funny statement. Cause most (couldn't say all) of the people I know who follow boxing hold an opinion different than yours

In my case I don't watch fights based on who I want to win, because then I would have a biased opinion for sure. Of course I'm a Mosely fan, but no more than I am a fan of any other fighter I like. Mosely gave a few early rounds away showing respect for Cotto (Which also tells you why Cotto landed more punches than Mosely).

I watched the Calzaghe fight and thought it was a close fight to score. Hopkins knocked Calzaghe down, and also hit Calzaghe with the bigger punches, but got out hustled and let Calzaghe get off first most of the fight. I thought it was a close fight that demanded a immediate rematch just like the Cotto/Mosely fight

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Fatal Nyghtmare please enlighten me by telling me what elite fighters has Pac-man beating in there prime? Jose Castillo 45-4-1 , Diego Corrales 33-0, Genaro Henanadez 38-1-1, and Ricky Hatton 43-0. Now that's Mayweather's list, I will be waiting on your list of already damaged punch drunk no defense having fighters that Manny keeps fighting..

Are you fuckin serious? Pacquiao consistently fights the top fighter in his weight class(es). If they're at the top, how are they not in their prime and not elite? Give me a fuckin break. Meanwhile, Fraud Mayweather dodges the top opponents until they've lost a step or 5 and he thinks he can finally beat them. This is common knowledge. Only Fraud fans don't see it. The rest of the boxing world sees it and so does every fan that doesn't have Mayweather's nuts in their windpipe.

 

[Tony]

They don't call Pacquiao the catchweight king for nothing... how is he fighting for a 154 pound title at 150?

You act like Pacquiao is all that.... but he ain't. Pacquiao has already been whooped while Floyd hasn't even lost a fight and you act like Floyd is so damn scared of Pacquiao.

And if Pacquiao fights the top fighters in his weight classes why didn't he fight Shane while Shane was on top? Floyd fought Shane and whooped him. Cotto was on top, then Margarito beat Cotto so that put Margarito on top, then Shane kills Margarito which put Shane on top. So Floyd fought who was at the top of the division regardless of age. Now that Floyd is on top of the division, Manny ducks him for Margarito and uses his refusal for a blood test as an excuse to not fight Floyd.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Me and you will have to find somewhere to watch the fight so we could bet and put the scratch on the table. It'll probably be in thearte's. I'd be willing to come to your area at a theatre to watch with it with you.

Actually, if the fight happens in Vegas, I'll be there. IF the fight happens at all, that is.

My cousin attends every Pacquiao fight and gets tickets in advance. I just spoke with him the other day, so, there's about an 85% chance I'll be in attendance. If I don't end up going, I'll be in SF with the fam (they hold huge parties for fights) and you're welcome to come. I'll let you know.

 

[Tony]

If anybody looks for advantages, it's Pacquiao. He forces who ever he fights to come down in weight. If Pacquiao can make it to 150, then why did he fight Cotto at 145? Why didn't he fight Shane at 147? If he was able to fight Oscar at 147.....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

They don't call Pacquiao the catchweight king for nothing... how is he fighting for a 154 pound title at 150?

This would be his second catchweight fight in his career (one more than floyd).

Bernard hopkins had three.

You act like Pacquiao is all that.... but he ain't. Pacquiao has already been whooped while Floyd hasn't even lost a fight and you act like Floyd is so damn scared of Pacquiao.

LOL, ok the whole world is crazy then. Either pac is #1 (by most people) or #2 (by everyone else). Either way being #1 or #2 best fighter in the world IS all that.

Pac lost one time to morales, who he killed in the two following rematches. The last time he lost prior to that he was a teenager. Floyd Mayweather lost 6 times when he was a teenager.

And if Pacquiao fights the top fighters in his weight classes why didn't he fight Shane while Shane was on top?

This is really simple:
Cotto beat Mosley.
Cotto also had a belt.
Cotto also is Top Rank.
Mosley is Golden Boy.
Golden Boy wanted 40% of the purse for Mosley, plus they wanted to co-promote the event (which means less money for Top Rank).
Simple mathematics.

 

[Tony]

Actually, if the fight happens in Vegas, I'll be there. IF the fight happens at all, that is.

My cousin attends every Pacquiao fight and gets tickets in advance. I just spoke with him the other day, so, there's about an 85% chance I'll be in attendance. If I don't end up going, I'll be in SF with the fam (they hold huge parties for fights) and you're welcome to come. I'll let you know.

LOL, thanks for the invite but there's no way I'd go to a party and walk out with a load of cash in Frisco, because I know Floyd is going to win. Not saying you'd set me up but I'm not stupid.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I forgot you got access to the opinions of the entire universe Lol... That's a funny statement. Cause most (couldn't say all) of the people I know who follow boxing hold an opinion different than yours

I'm just going by articles and boxing website and public polls. Obviously not everyone is going to agree, but when I say "most" that's what I'm referriing too.

How did we get to this point though, debating mosley vs cotto? lol hella side tracked. I think my point was/is Cotto has a great resume and he should be respected & appreciated. Mosley obviously does too

I watched the Calzaghe fight and thought it was a close fight to score. Hopkins knocked Calzaghe down, and also hit Calzaghe with the bigger punches, but got out hustled and let Calzaghe get off first most of the fight. I thought it was a close fight that demanded a immediate rematch just like the Cotto/Mosely fight

You're a good man!

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

They don't call Pacquiao the catchweight king for nothing... how is he fighting for a 154 pound title at 150?

You act like Pacquiao is all that.... but he ain't. Pacquiao has already been whooped while Floyd hasn't even lost a fight and you act like Floyd is so damn scared of Pacquiao.

And if Pacquiao fights the top fighters in his weight classes why didn't he fight Shane while Shane was on top? Floyd fought Shane and whooped him. Cotto was on top, then Margarito beat Cotto so that put Margarito on top, then Shane kills Margarito which put Shane on top. So Floyd fought who was at the top of the division regardless of age.

"They" don't call him the catchweight king, only Fraud fans do in an attempt to take away from what he's accomplished.

I'm sure Fraud isn't scared of Pacquiao man-to-man, what he's scared of is Pacquiao's skillset and the way he's looked convincingly better fight after fight. He's scared to lose, not necessarily scared to fight. His whole marketing scheme is based on his undefeated record. Once he loses that, he loses all the pull he has. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SCARED OF. That's why he doesn't want to fight. That's why he's "on vacation." That's why he's "not focused on boxing."

About not fighting Mosley.. Pacquiao and Roach wanted Mayweather. Period. Mosley wanted Mayweather as well. Did you happen to see how old Mosley looked after the 2nd round? Dude was gassed like a motherfucker. You seriously want to credit Mayweather there? I don't credit Pacquiao with pummeling De La Hoya because dude was old and gassed. I won't credit Mayweather with Mosley for the same reasons.

 

[Tony]

This is really simple:
Cotto beat Mosley.
Cotto also had a belt.
Cotto also is Top Rank.
Mosley is Golden Boy.
Golden Boy wanted 40% of the purse for Mosley, plus they wanted to co-promote the event (which means less money for Top Rank).
Simple mathematics.

Those are all excuses. 60/40 in Pac's favor is not bad at all.

So when negotiations don't favor Pac he ducks fighters. He wanted no part of Mosely after seeing how Mosely knocked Margarito out. Mosely was begging to fight Pacquiao and Pac wanted nothing to do with Mosely. Now all of a sudden Pac can make it to 150?

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

LOL, thanks for the invite but there's no way I'd go to a party and walk out with a load of cash in Frisco, because I know Floyd is going to win. Not saying you'd set me up but I'm not stupid.

No excuses. I never carry cash around, anyway. There's these things that hold my money, they're called banks. There's also things like electronic transfer, checks, money orders, etc.. that prevent you from having to walk around with thousands of dollars.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Those are all excuses. 60/40 in Pac's favor is not bad at all.

So when negotiations don't favor Pac he ducks fighters. He wanted no part of Mosely after seeing how Mosely knocked Margarito out. Mosely was begging to fight Pacquiao and Pac wanted nothing to do with Mosely. Now all of a sudden Pac can make it to 150?

This is hilarious a floyd fan of all people accusing someone of ducking.

This is a picture of floyd after the pac deadline:

Again, cotto beat mosley. On top of that, cotto was pac's first fight at 147, who had a belt and was top rank which made the fight so easy to make.

 

[Tony]

No excuses. I never carry cash around, anyway. There's these things that hold my money, they're called banks. There's also things like electronic transfer, checks, money orders, etc.. that prevent you from having to walk around with thousands of dollars.

Hey smart guy our bet would have been "money" as in cash on the table.....

So if we were to bet I would be bringing cash money mayne.

 

[Tony]

This is hilarious a floyd fan of all people accusing someone of ducking.

This is a picture of floyd after the pac deadline:

Again, cotto beat mosley. On top of that, cotto was pac's first fight at 147, who had a belt and was top rank which made the fight so easy to make.

I thought they fought at 145 not 147. Why didn't Pacquiao fight Shane after Shane knocked Margarito out? Wasn't Floyd retired when that happened?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

because pacquiao wasn't even a 140 pound fighter yet you moron. He fought Ricky Hatton in May of 2009 at 140 pounds whereas Mosley beat Margarito in Jan of 2009.