Top Rank & Golden Boy agree to all terms - the fight is in floyds hands
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why do you keep insisting team floyd wasn't involved? Al Haymon IS Floyd's manger and adviser, he's the one that worked with Greenburg. Greenburg is already on record saying he worked with both camps...didn't you read that thomas hauser article I posted??
And Tony how in the world could bob arum violate the gag order if you believe NO negotiations took place? That makes no sense. At the same time, why was team floyd & golden boy under a gag order if there were no negotiations? again that makes no sense.
I can't believe you're siding with that lame duck excuse, it's crazy talk! Everyone and their mama knew talks were going on! It's like team floyd is pretending the last 2 months never existed! What they don't have the internet? They don't have a phone? They don't watch ESPN?
And Tony how in the world could bob arum violate the gag order if you believe NO negotiations took place? That makes no sense. At the same time, why was team floyd & golden boy under a gag order if there were no negotiations? again that makes no sense.
I can't believe you're siding with that lame duck excuse, it's crazy talk! Everyone and their mama knew talks were going on! It's like team floyd is pretending the last 2 months never existed! What they don't have the internet? They don't have a phone? They don't watch ESPN?
Tony, Ross Greenburg, president of HBO sports, said he was negotiating with Al Haymon and Bob Arum since May 2nd. There is no bias from Greenburg as he doesn't represent anyone and all he wants to do is make the biggest fight in history. He has no reason to lie as HBO obviously wants Floyd Mayweather to fight on HBO and they want Pacquiao to fight on HBO. There is no motive to lie and further if he did lie it would hurt HBO's relationship with Mayweather.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29586
How can you not accept this important information??
Greenburg said in his statement “ Fights like Mayweather vs Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It's unfortunate that it won’t happen in 2010. I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2 carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it.”
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29586
How can you not accept this important information??
Since May 2nd? Right after Floyd hanlded Shane, yeah right. I don't believe them.
"Ellerbe was surprised to hear what Greenburg said, but told ESPN.com, "I stand behind my statement 100 percent. Obviously, the term negotiation needs to be defined to those parties who are making these comments. Calling to inquire about what Floyd is thinking about doing is not a negotiation. There was never any negotiation. I respect Ross but I am 100 percent sure there were no negotiations."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5412488
I can't accept that information because if Floyd planned to take the rest of the year off like he told the kid at the make a wish foundation why would he negotiate to fight this year?
"Ellerbe was surprised to hear what Greenburg said, but told ESPN.com, "I stand behind my statement 100 percent. Obviously, the term negotiation needs to be defined to those parties who are making these comments. Calling to inquire about what Floyd is thinking about doing is not a negotiation. There was never any negotiation. I respect Ross but I am 100 percent sure there were no negotiations."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5412488
I can't accept that information because if Floyd planned to take the rest of the year off like he told the kid at the make a wish foundation why would he negotiate to fight this year?
LOL, so since Arum admitted that he didn't speak to anyone at team Mayweather.
He (Arum) spoke to HBO/Greenburg asking that they give Floyd a call to see if they want to do the fight. So Arum gives Greenburg the terms. Greenburg then gives team Mayweather a call with Arums proposal..... Team Mayweather more than likely said, let me holla at Floyd and then we'll get back at you if he wants to do the fight. Team Floyd never responds, so Arum sets his deadline. Team Floyd didn't respond because Mayweather already issued a statement at the make a wish foundation saying he's going to take some time off.
There you have it. Now tell me, is that negotiating? Team Floyd never responded with any kind of counter offer, so how is that negotiating?
He (Arum) spoke to HBO/Greenburg asking that they give Floyd a call to see if they want to do the fight. So Arum gives Greenburg the terms. Greenburg then gives team Mayweather a call with Arums proposal..... Team Mayweather more than likely said, let me holla at Floyd and then we'll get back at you if he wants to do the fight. Team Floyd never responds, so Arum sets his deadline. Team Floyd didn't respond because Mayweather already issued a statement at the make a wish foundation saying he's going to take some time off.
There you have it. Now tell me, is that negotiating? Team Floyd never responded with any kind of counter offer, so how is that negotiating?
"I think it's unfortunate that Ross made that statement," Schaefer told ESPN.com. "I fully stand behind the statement I made. I have not negotiated with Ross and I am not aware of any negotiations that have taken place.
"If Ross or Arum wants to go through a lie detector test, we can arrange that. I can only tell you I have regular contact with Al and Leonard and there were no negotiations going on. I don't know exactly what Ross is referring to or what he is talking about. But I have been very consistent. There were none going on. Arum should just get a life and stop attacking me on a nonstop basis. This is really childish."
"If Ross or Arum wants to go through a lie detector test, we can arrange that. I can only tell you I have regular contact with Al and Leonard and there were no negotiations going on. I don't know exactly what Ross is referring to or what he is talking about. But I have been very consistent. There were none going on. Arum should just get a life and stop attacking me on a nonstop basis. This is really childish."
Its one situation, doesn't make Boxing look that bad cuz how many good fights have already happened this year. If your only watching Boxing ppv's you aint a real boxing fan anyways. Thing is once Pacman and Mayweather fight who ever loses wont have any hype/buzz surrounding them so the longer the fight takes the more folks pay attention to these fighters especially when there fighting other opponents.
Jesus christ tony, why would Greenburg lie? Further, Greenburg dealt directly with AL HAYMON, Floyd's manager. That is straight to the source. Golden Boy wasn't even really involved. Al Haymon, Greenburg and Bob Arum reached an agreement and Floyd turned it down. Simple as that. Like you said he doesn't want to fight for whatever reason that may be, he didn't want it. But that doesn't mean the three people mentioned didn't negotiate and didn't make a contract for Floyd. That's the bottom line man is Floyd didn't want the fight at this point in time. Maybe he doesn't want to fight this year like you said, I mean you have Floyd Sr. saying today in an article the reason Floyd turned it down is because of taxes (he said something like "if floyd fights Pac this year that's over $100 million in earnings for the year...how much will uncle sam take if he did that?"
Golden Boy (Richard Schaefer and Oscar) look really stupid right now. Further Leonard Ellerbe is Floyd's adviser, not promoter not manager, just an adviser. It's quite possible he wasn't involved because frankly, he doesn't need to be. Al Haymon is the man to deal with and one of the most powerful persons in all of boxing.
Golden Boy (Richard Schaefer and Oscar) look really stupid right now. Further Leonard Ellerbe is Floyd's adviser, not promoter not manager, just an adviser. It's quite possible he wasn't involved because frankly, he doesn't need to be. Al Haymon is the man to deal with and one of the most powerful persons in all of boxing.
Why are you gettin' all upset? Calm down, it's not all that serious mayne.
I thought Golden Boy negotiates on Mayweather's behalf since they co-promote Mayweather's fights. So they would have to be involved somehow (just look at the title of the thread).
Now all of a sudden it's Al Haymon (not Golden Boy) who reached an agreement? Then why is this thread titled "Top Rank & Golden Boy"?
I thought Golden Boy negotiates on Mayweather's behalf since they co-promote Mayweather's fights. So they would have to be involved somehow (just look at the title of the thread).
Now all of a sudden it's Al Haymon (not Golden Boy) who reached an agreement? Then why is this thread titled "Top Rank & Golden Boy"?
why do you think I'm upset?
What do you mean "all of a sudden?" This information has been known for a couple weeks now, I've been telling you this for a while.
Golden Boy wouldn't need to be involved in negotiating if al haymon and bob arum came up with a contract for floyd to sign. Golden Boy of course would still promote the fight.
If you don't know about Al Haymon, read up on him. He is a shadowy figure but one of the most powerful men in boxing that pulls many of the strings. He represents Floyd, P-Will, Andre Berto and many others (which is why unfortunately these guys will never fight eachother). He is the main man to Mayweather. The reason people don't know this is because he is a shadowy figure - he wont talk to the press and he lurks in the background.
What do you mean "all of a sudden?" This information has been known for a couple weeks now, I've been telling you this for a while.
Golden Boy wouldn't need to be involved in negotiating if al haymon and bob arum came up with a contract for floyd to sign. Golden Boy of course would still promote the fight.
If you don't know about Al Haymon, read up on him. He is a shadowy figure but one of the most powerful men in boxing that pulls many of the strings. He represents Floyd, P-Will, Andre Berto and many others (which is why unfortunately these guys will never fight eachother). He is the main man to Mayweather. The reason people don't know this is because he is a shadowy figure - he wont talk to the press and he lurks in the background.
Floyd Mayweather Sr.
FM: My thing is I look at it like this here, man. One thing for sure is Floyd is not scared of Pacquiao. That's one thing for sure. Everybody needs to get that straight; that's straight and to the point. Floyd is not scared of Pacquiao. That's the last guy he's scared of in boxing, but the whole thing is, man, the money Lil Floyd done made and the money he would get fighting Pacquiao, think about it. Make a million dollars in one year and see what Uncle Sam gonna do to you. So that's what I'm talking about. Make $100 million in one year and see what Uncle Sam gonna do. It would be like he aint never fought Shane. I'm telling you the real deal of how it is. That is the only reason they didn't make the fight. The fight's gonna still happen. I'm pretty sure about that. It may not happen right away this year, but it's going to happen. I'm telling you the reason why. I don't know what he [Floyd Mayweather] gonna tell you, but I know the reason why. If they gonna take away the money he made when he fought Shane, then why would he fight this year?
FM: My thing is I look at it like this here, man. One thing for sure is Floyd is not scared of Pacquiao. That's one thing for sure. Everybody needs to get that straight; that's straight and to the point. Floyd is not scared of Pacquiao. That's the last guy he's scared of in boxing, but the whole thing is, man, the money Lil Floyd done made and the money he would get fighting Pacquiao, think about it. Make a million dollars in one year and see what Uncle Sam gonna do to you. So that's what I'm talking about. Make $100 million in one year and see what Uncle Sam gonna do. It would be like he aint never fought Shane. I'm telling you the real deal of how it is. That is the only reason they didn't make the fight. The fight's gonna still happen. I'm pretty sure about that. It may not happen right away this year, but it's going to happen. I'm telling you the reason why. I don't know what he [Floyd Mayweather] gonna tell you, but I know the reason why. If they gonna take away the money he made when he fought Shane, then why would he fight this year?
In the very first article I posted Bob Arum never once says "Golden Boy" the author of the article does, who probably assumed like most of us that it automatically meant Golden Boy (instead of Al Haymon).
I don't know why this is hard for you to understand, all the information is here. Bob Arum worked with Al Haymon via Ross Greenburg. The contract was made and Floyd turned it down. Floyd doesn't want to fight this year. Al Haymon negotiated for Floyd. It doesn't matter if Floyd wanted the fight or not, the fact is Al Haymon, his manager, worked on the contract, agreed with Bob Arum and Floyd turned it down. That's it man, nothing else to it.
I don't know why this is hard for you to understand, all the information is here. Bob Arum worked with Al Haymon via Ross Greenburg. The contract was made and Floyd turned it down. Floyd doesn't want to fight this year. Al Haymon negotiated for Floyd. It doesn't matter if Floyd wanted the fight or not, the fact is Al Haymon, his manager, worked on the contract, agreed with Bob Arum and Floyd turned it down. That's it man, nothing else to it.