Top Rank & Golden Boy agree to all terms - the fight is in floyds hands

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

He also stated that he didn't eat or drink before the first Morales fight too so that he could make weight. That probably is why he felt weak. I like how you get on Floyd for his so called excuses but then Pacquiao gets a pass.

Pacquiao "gets a pass" because Fraud's demands were, and still are, outrageous and lame, not to mention it was obvious he was looking for an escape route from the very beginning. The stipulations and terms of this negotiation were all Fraud's, and he still won't fight. The negotiations took place whether you want to believe it or not. Fraud's own guys said so.

And yes, I'm willing to bet 5 racks on Pacquiao for many reasons. The main two being 1). Fraud has never fought anyone good in their prime, which means he hasn't fought ANYBODY and 2). there are a bunch of people who think like you and will make Pacquiao the underdog, which translates to a bigger payout for me when Fraud gets his ass whooped.

I've said it many times.. Fraud's defensive style works so well because he's so much quicker than his opponents. He will NOT have that advantage over Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao has the power to KO his ass early and the speed to ruin Fraud's defensive tactics.

 

[dookie1]

Floyd never got the contract.. and if he did pac only agreed to 14 days!!! floyd want up the the fight testing!!!! it's like if a jugde offered you 5 yrs and you say no!!! then you get found guilty and get broke off 25 years, ur like " OK ill take the 5!!" Floyd knows he dictates every detail in the contract!!!!!

 

[Tony]

Pacquiao "gets a pass" because Fraud's demands were, and still are, outrageous and lame

What demand(s)? All he wanted was olympic style drug testing. That's it.... and he offered Pacman a two week cut off period and he didn't take it (like a dumbass then chose to fight Clottey instead). Now Pac is ready to get tested up until the day of the fight? What about Pac's demand of Floyd paying 10 million for every pound that Floyd came in overweight? And if those demands are "outrageous" and lame then why did Shane agree to it? And why is Pacman agreeing to it now? They must not be all that outrageous if other boxers are willing to agree to it (including Pacman all of a sudden).

Bottom line is the fight was on the table for Pac to take and he didn't. Everything Pac wanted was there.... all Floyd wanted was Pac to get his blood tested two weeks before they fought. That's all he was "asking" for so the fight didn't happen.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

tony, as we went over the first negotations lasted for months and it started out with pac agreeing to 3 scheduled drug tests. After bitter, back and forth negotiating, finally with a mediator, it got down to 14 days or 17 days whatever it was, with no agreement and it was dead. All the shit mayweather was talking to the media, accusing him of juicing etc and you'd be pissed too if you were pac.

Also, as we've been over numerous times, shane agreed to the tests because he HAD TO. Shane wanted to get paid and that was the only way. Let's not forget when the tables were turned and shane was the bigger name, he turned down Zab Judah's demands of extra drug tests.

 

[Tony]

I would have taken the drug test especially since there would have been a two week gap between the last test and the fight. And to top if off we would have been splitting the purse 50/50. There's no way I would have passed on that.

I wouldn't have been pissed about the Mayweather's accusing me of doping. Hurt feelings are for women. I would have taken the test (and passed because I am clean) then the fight would have jumped off.

 

[MOREBASS]

I wouldn't have been pissed about the Mayweather's accusing me of doping. Hurt feelings are for women. I would have taken the test (and passed because I am clean) then the fight would have jumped off.

At the same time, you haven't put in the blood, sweat, and tears that these guys have. And the accusations came without a shred of evidence.


I would have just taken the tests too though. But him not taking them was more about him not bowing to Floyd's demands, as they were about the actual tests.

 

[Tony]

I hear you but even if I did put in the blood, sweat, and tears.... I wouldn't have cared if the Mayweather's were accusing me of using PED's. They're not GOD's, so me personally, I wouldn't have cared what they said or what they were talking about. I would've just taken the test, passed it, and then shoved it up their asses when the negative results came back. Then I would have punished him in the ring while we split the money up 50/50.

And about "bowing" to Floyd's demands.... Floyd would have had to bow to his own demand too. It's part of negotiating.... I'm pretty sure there were stips in the contract that Pacquiao demanded too but we didn't hear Floyd crying about how he didn't want to give in to his demands, now did we?

I wouldn't have wanted go through getting blood drawn at random times and all that but BS either but Floyd had to go through it too. I remember during the 24/7 series, Shane just shrugged his shoulders when they asked him about the blood test. It was like it wasn't that big of a deal he was just eager to fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^actually shane stated a few times that the tests were very invasive and he could "completely understand why others fighters might not want to do it." You saw the 24/7, with the guys following them around for hours and hours just to get some piss or blood or whatever.

 

[Tony]

They were following Floyd around because they needed to get a certain amount of piss from him.

Like I said, I understand how some boxers would feel about that (Sergio Martinez was it??? Said he wouldn't trip). If I was a professional boxer, I'd be very concerned about giving blood so close to the fight too (so I took Pacman's side when Floyd was asking to get tested up until the day of, then I switched back to Floyd's side when he was willing to agree to the 14 day cut off). I think Floyd understood as well, that's why he was willing to agree to the blood test being cut off two weeks before the fight. That's plenty of time to recover from blood being drawn.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

ok that's all fine and dandy, why didn't mayweather take the fight this time then? I think the point some people are making is that it was never really about drug testing with floyd and now that he turned down the fight when pac was willing to do all the drug tests, it supports that claim.

 

[Tony]

I don't know bro, looks like Floyd ain't takin' no fight. And that's fine with me as long as he fights Pacquiao in his next fight (depending on how the negotiatioins go) then it's all good.

I think it'll support that claim if Floyd completely ruled Pac out of his next fight without coming back to the negotiating table.

 

[Tony]

Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

Article:
Bob Arum Called Out for Lying by Top Rank Insider

By CJ James

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging. He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money. Pretty predictable.

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight. Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Michael Marley is like the "Michael Savage" of boxing reporting lol the guy is full of shit 98.9% of the time

 

[Tony]

I don't know man, Arum has been busted for lying numerous times. They say he said "Yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth". He's an admitted liar.... and we know what happens to liars in the court of law. They lose credibility because they can't be trusted. Judges, jurors, don't trust people who lie.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

all boxing promoters are liars man, that's the truth.

With that said there is no reason to not believe negotiations occurred. I already went over all that stuff last week, so I'm not going to again, but it's clear there were talks between al haymon, greenburg and bob arum. That much is known.

 

[Tony]

After hearing what both sides had to say, I don't believe negotiations occurred. If Floyd didn't plan on fighting again this year then why even negotiate? I think Arum probably sent a proposal (that probably didn't interest Floyd enough) and that was that.

I read somewhere that Schaefer wants to do a lie detector test vs Arum to prove who's lying....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

then why not say that tony? my god man, for about 2 months it was VERY PUBLIC almost every day something new about he negotiations would be posted or talked about in the media, especially during the final 3 weeks. Then there was a countdown for 1 week.

All it would take is one comment from floyd, or someone in his crew, just a simple, "WTF? There are no negotations!"

But all them remained silent. They were asked non-stop about the fight and always responded with "no comment" (except for Oscar who said on TV the fight was almost done).

So what does that tell you man? Clearly they KNEW everyone else thought there were negotiations going on. Why in the world would they remain silent? That makes zero sense, to wait until one day AFTER the deadline ended to make this claim. That's ridiculous. Think about it. For about two months, they have no comment, but as soon as the deadline hit, they comment. lol come on now tony, use some common sense!

 

[T-Rip]

The question is will De La Hoya be mad at Floyd now that hes not fighting the rest of the year after Golden Boy finished negotiations with Top Rank to get the fight scheduled. I honestly think at this point if Top Rank Boxing wasnt involved the fight would have happened at the end of the year.

 

[Tony]

I'm using common sense mayne.... Everyone is getting on Arum since Team Floyd (including Golden Boy) came out and said no negotiations have taken place. I think if negotiations did take place this time around we'd have a fight.

 

[Tony]

The question is will De La Hoya be mad at Floyd now that hes not fighting the rest of the year after Golden Boy finished negotiations with Top Rank to get the fight scheduled. I honestly think at this point if Top Rank Boxing wasnt involved the fight would have happened at the end of the year.

I think that's it. Top Rank and Golden Boy probably spoke and traded proposals but since "Team" Floyd Mayweather wasn't involved, no negotiations took place.

The fight would have happened if it wasn't for Bob Arum. Bob Arum insists on a 50/50 split when he knows damn well it should be 60/40. Then he wants to play games with the media. Arum already got busted once for lying. And he already violated the gag order that he issued.