The Thing That Seperates Christianity From Other Religions...

[Contagious Locc]

I understand that now....but......

If I went around doin the shit that Jesus did today, I would be put into an institution. People viewed the world differently back then, they knew less, therefore they had to make up what they didn't have an answer for...I don't believe that there is a "god" but I believe that energy is everything that's living. To religious people it's a higher power, but why is it higher than antying if it's made up of the exact same shit? It's all about following something....Energy is nature...People just make up ways to cope with the harsh reality of life.

What was exactly made up? In the old testament prophets spoke to God directly or was approached by angels. In the new testament they ate, spoke, spat, hit, denied, betrayed, ridiculed, and crucified Christ. They were waiting on the fulfillment of the prophecy that God would send them a savour. No one bacc then denied the existance of God. In the old testament the infamous Pharoah rebucced Moses by saying "You tell your God.." so obviously he knew there was a God, in the new testament Jesus was crucified because they envyed him, and didn't believe a savour could be a carpenter born in Bethlehem because "nothing good came from that region". Just those two events right there shows that the people "then" knew there was a God despite them "knowing less", just shows you the ignorance that plagues man then and now. God's existance was never a question that was raisied..

 

[Contagious Locc]

where's the proof of any of these so called miracles? because 1 books says so? that's pure BS. if jesus was such a special guy, how come none of the writers of the time of jesus ever wrote about him... surely being writers they would be inclined to do so, since that is their job

lol The first four gospels of the new testament gives an account of the life of Jesus Christ and his ministry

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John "The 4 gospels", the other 23 books of the new testament's primary focus is the establishment of the new church and discussing the conduct of a christian, and the revelation of the rapture and Christ's second coming. But, Jesus Christ is the primary concern throughout the new testament.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I hope you don't find this disrespectful, because in no way do I intend to come across as such

No, I don't find what you said disrespectful...you came at me with respect and I shall do the same.

Faith: Firm belief in the value, truth, or truthworthness of something or someone; complete confidence..

I don't completely agree with this defintion, there is more to it. If you use dictionary.com, select number 2. "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."

I will write what I have said before.

Faith is belief without, or in spite of, REASON. (there is a reason why I reject faith) Atheism is a commitment to rationality. The Conviction that man's mind is fully competent to know the facts of reality and that there is no aspect of the universe that is closed to rational scrutiny. Atheism is simply a commitment to reason. Now you can see where we differ. It's not necessarilly about "god". It's a way of thinking. Logic vs. Illogic. I will not accept the existence of god or any other "mysterious force" on faith because I completely reject faith as a valid method of gaining knowledge. In other words, "I will not accept anything on faith."

You following me? Reason is man's only guide to knowledge, faith is excluded.

"Have faith," many Christians have told me. In other words, "MAKE yourself believe that there is a god without regard to evidence." This I cannot do. I cannot force myself believe in anything without evidence.

An atheist which denies the existance of God and rejects all religious faith and practice, in other words they have faith that theres no God.

I'm having huge problems with your definitions. No where, in atheism, is there anything called faith. Faith is nonexistant to true atheists.
Let me break down atheism for you...Atheism in its basic form, is not a belief. It is the absence of belief. An Atheist is not a person who believes that a god does not exist, rather he does not believe in the existence of a god.

Please, take my advice and stay away from dictionary.com. It is not the best source of defintions.

An agnostic which withholds belief because of unwillingness to accept the evidence of revelation and spiritual experience, this is the one that's in denial, key words "unwillingness to accept".

This is also completely incorrect. I posted a very good definition of the word 'agnostic' before, but for some reason the search is not finding it.
Let me now write this shit all over again :dead:

No better to explain this word then the man who coined the term, Thomas Huxley (1869). When Huxley was looking for a way to describe his thoughts, he selected the early religious sect known as "Gnostics" as a prime example of men who claim knowledge of the supernatural without justification and he distinguished himself as an "agnostic" by stipulating that the supernatural, even if it exists, lies beyond the scope of human knowledge. We cannot say if it does or does not exist, so we must suspend judgment.

Agnosticism signifies the impossibility of knowledge in a given area. An agnostic is a person who believes that something is inherently unkowable by the human mind.

The term "agnostic" does not, in itself, indicate whether or not one believes in a god. Agnosticism can be either theistic or atheistic.

The agnostic theist believes in the existence of god, BUT maintains that the nature of god is unkowable.

The agnostic atheist maintains that any supernatural realm is inherently unkowable by the human mind and the existence of any supernatural being is unkowable as well.

Last but not least the freethinker, one who has lost or rejected traditional faith and believes only in what is rational and credible. This is the unbeliever whos theory is based primary on lacc of understanding, usually the person who has never really read the bible "seriously". Here we have one that denies his existance, one who's in denial, and one who laccs understanding.

This is not the defintion of freethinker by any means. It doesnt make any sense at all. So, freethinkers is a person who never really read the bible seriously? I consider myself a freethinker, albert einstein was a freethinker, lenin was a freethinker, mark twain was a freethinker, the list goes on and on and on.

So can you tell me which one you are because from your previous post you said you haven't seen any evidence of a God, therefore you don't believe in his existance. So that eliminates option one, because an atheist doesn't believe in his existance to begin with. From your post you said you need evidence which fits the agnostic or free thinkers criteria, please correct me if I'm worng.

I think the above shit I wrote should clear all this up.

If you have a dictionary handy please look up the definition of an atheist and post it for me. On lookers can do the same, guaranteed "the denial of God's existance" is somewhere in that definition.

As I stated before, stay away from dictionary.com. I provided the true definition of atheism for you. I think I would know, considering I am an Atheist who has read dozens of books about atheism, not to mention the countless amounts of hours on the internet and various other articles.

Oh yeah, by the way in your last post you said satan was a good guy which leads me to the assumption that you believe there's a devil. If that's so, God's existance is credible given the point there's a universal war going on between good and evil. Hmm..

Nefar is a comrade of mine. I was being sarcastic...just fucking around with him. My aim name is Satandbit. I am a sarcastic person.

 

[MEXCOM]

where's the proof of any of these so called miracles? because 1 books says so? that's pure BS.

How is it BS you havent proved it is BS, you simply gave your opinion with out any proof to discredit it.

if jesus was such a special guy, how come none of the writers of the time of jesus ever wrote about him... surely being writers they would be inclined to do so, since that is their job

first of there is always the possibility that because Jesus was such a controversial figure writers did not write about him. Also look into the name Tacitus he wrote about Christ.

 

[I AM]

If you bring back the death, turn water into wine, and cast out demons then I doubt any one will think you are crazy. Besides if you tried to do what Jesus did back then you would have been killed.

These cultures weren't a bunch of hicks. They were incredible intelligent. They had math, science, philosophy, medicine, etc. They didn't know as much as we know, but that does not mean they had to resort to fairy tales to get answers.

You are trying to compare something that cannot be truly classified (God) with something that can (Energy). This makes no sense logically.

maybe but we can't prove this.

So you physically saw Jesus bring back the dead, turn water into wine, and cast out demons? I didn't fucking think so. You don't KNOW shit, you just believe what you read and what you've been told.

I never said their cultures were hicks, again you make big assumptions. They didn't know HALF the shit we know. There's a thing called technology, and a thing called space. A lot of cultures worshiped stars thinking they were gods, but are they? NO.

Humans create labels on things so that we can have order and classification, we make things up so that we are more comfortable with how things are because in all reality most humans can't comprehend something as simple as nature. Life and death are two things that go together. Energy and life do too. Where the fuck does "God" come into this? "God" comes in when people can't fucking think of anything else and they need to feel like there is something "better" than life. But why should that be? Why isn't life just that? I don't need to fear going to hell because I've done bad shit, I know the difference between right and wrong without needing to even think about what any kind of "god" says, that's called COMMON SENSE.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Oh by the way, I'm still waiting on these prophecies....


tick tick tick

 

[I AM]

What was exactly made up? In the old testament prophets spoke to God directly or was approached by angels. In the new testament they ate, spoke, spat, hit, denied, betrayed, ridiculed, and crucified Christ. They were waiting on the fulfillment of the prophecy that God would send them a savour. No one bacc then denied the existance of God. In the old testament the infamous Pharoah rebucced Moses by saying "You tell your God.." so obviously he knew there was a God, ..

He obviously knew there was a god? Or he believed there was one? Do you really know that this happened? Did you see it with your very own two eyes?

in the new testament Jesus was crucified because they envyed him, and didn't believe a savour could be a carpenter born in Bethlehem because "nothing good came from that region". Just those two events right there shows that the people "then" knew there was a God despite them "knowing less", just shows you the ignorance that plagues man then and now. God's existance was never a question that was raisied

Maybe they were too stupid to ask that fucking question. Or maybe they were afraid that their precious "god" would strike them down for denouncing his existence? You follow shit on faith, I follow what I know is logical. As 2-0-sixx said, atheism is not a belief...it's the absence of that...I use my brain, I follow common sense, I believe in what I can feel, see, and hear. Not what some old ass book tells me is "real."

I haven't actually decided that I don't believe in anything, but I do not believe in a higher power, which to religious people is god. If there is anything that I think created the universe, it is energy. I can't understand why people blindly believe in a higher power. I think it's a little bit ignorant to think that as humans we are more special that a spec of bacteria on dog shit. Through evolution we became what we are today. That's just how things work, life and death. Everything that lives, dies. Do dogs go to heaven? What about trees or musk rats? Does the bible say anything about them? Then ask yourself this...Do animals believe in god? I can answer that one for ya...Hell nah!

 

[MEXCOM]

So you physically saw Jesus bring back the dead, turn water into wine, and cast out demons? I didn't fucking think so. You don't KNOW shit, you just believe what you read and what you've been told.

Why must you resort to saying that I do not know shit? I believe what I am told? So do you. I have no proof, either written, historical, vocal, etc, of my 6th ancestor yet I believe he existed. Do you know who your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was? Do you have proof that he even existed aside from what you have been told?

I never said their cultures were hicks, again you make big assumptions. They didn't know HALF the shit we know. There's a thing called technology, and a thing called space. A lot of cultures worshiped stars thinking they were gods, but are they? NO.

I made no assumptions. Thus exposing the fallacy in YOUR reply. Where did I say you said any of that. I simply stated this, I didnt even imply you knew nothing of these cultures, I was simply creating a background before my reply. Secondly you say that there is a thing called technology and a thing called space. The ancient Hebrew culture knew of both. You then proceed to say a lot of cultures worshpied stars thinking they were gods. You ask if they were gods and you reply no. You are incorrect a god is simply a thing that is worshipped. The stars were infact gods, where they not then these people would not have worshipped the stars. If you meant are they really Gods? That is a different question, one you did not ask and one that I believe to be irrelevant as we are talking of YHWH.

Humans create labels on things so that we can have order and classification, we make things up so that we are more comfortable with how things are because in all reality most humans can't comprehend something as simple as nature. Life and death are two things that go together. Energy and life do too. Where the fuck does "God" come into this? "God" comes in when people can't fucking think of anything else and they need to feel like there is something "better" than life. But why should that be? Why isn't life just that? I don't need to fear going to hell because I've done bad shit, I know the difference between right and wrong without needing to even think about what any kind of "god" says, that's called COMMON SENSE.

1) No human truly understands something as simple as nature.
2) You say God comes into the equation when people can't think of anything else and they need to feel like there is something "better," now i ask you how do you know this? How do you know I believe in God simply because I am afraid to die? Do not generalize all people who feel they need to make up God in order to ease the concept of death.
3)What exactly is this common sense you speak of? I may have a different variation of this 'common sense.' There are about 6 billion humans on earth, your concept of common sense doesnt seem very common unless a big majority hold the exact same values that constitute this 'common sense.'

 

[Contagious Locc]

My proof lies in scriptures dogg, we're gonna keep bumping heads right here because you don't consider the bible credible evidence. I on the other hand do, its my reference and sets the foundation of my faith. I grew up neither in the old testament nor the new so I can't present any other argument to you or anyone else, if you have any questions and seek anwsers about the doctrine you will have to seek those personally. Otherwise, all me or anyone else that profess to know the Christian faith can do for you is testimony, prayer, and assisting you in your studies. I've searched myself so I have no reason to "rationalize", men are incompetent to me because I believe in a "supreme being". I'm not really concerned about man and their vain philsopohy, it makes no sense to me. Your argument is based on reason; why, what, when, and where; mine is not. It seems to me that you need to see a miraclous sign or sometihng to believe; a mountain move, splitting of the ocean, raising from the dead, water turned to blood or something. I don't know, but it's foolish of me to try to understand the ways of the God, besides anyone or anything you can explain isn't considered a God, because a God is unexplainable that's why he's refered to as the "supreme being".


"Please, take my advice and stay away from dictionary.com. It is not the best source of defintions."

I know that's why I don't use it.. I use books man, I actually study what I read and internet isn't a useful tool for me studying. I may take some notes from them but never use that "only" as a source for a debate. I appreicate your concern though.

As far as an agnostic, let me clearify it cause it seems like you're going in it too deep, a brief description of an agnostic... someone who holds that whether God exists is not known and probably cannot be known, that's pretty much the same thing I said. lol exclude part of being in denial, but basically they're unwilling to accept revelation and spiritual experience

Now my definition of a freethinkiner isn't accurate either lol, now you're starting to make me question your resources since you admitted to using dictionary.com in the beginning of your text. scroll up. Freethinker: One who forms opinions indepentently and on the basis of "reason". You emphasied the use of this word above, and since you said you're a free thinker I figured maybe this definition was pretty accurate. Rejects traditional faith and believes only in what is rational maybe?


"This is not the defintion of freethinker by any means. It doesnt make any sense at all. So, freethinkers is a person who never really read the bible seriously? I consider myself a freethinker, albert einstein was a freethinker, lenin was a freethinker, mark twain was a freethinker, the list goes on and on and on"

As I stated before, stay away from dictionary.com. I provided the true definition of atheism for you. I think I would know, considering I am an Atheist who has read dozens of books about atheism, not to mention the countless amounts of hours on the internet and various other articles.

So are you atheist or the freethinker, surely it couldn't be both could it?

Oh yea, theres no need to watch the clocc, I've already posted some prophecies for you

 

[I AM]

Why must you resort to saying that I do not know shit? I believe what I am told? So do you. I have no proof, either written, historical, vocal, etc, of my 6th ancestor yet I believe he existed. Do you know who your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was? Do you have proof that he even existed aside from what you have been told?

I apologize for saying you don't know shit. But I didn't mean it like that. I meant you don't KNOW anything for sure that we are discussing. You assumed that I meant to be rude to you, but I didn't. That is assumption #1. I know that I have a great great etc grandfather, because without that I could not exist. But does there have to be a god for things to exist? In my opinion and experience, no.

I made no assumptions. Thus exposing the fallacy in YOUR reply. Where did I say you said any of that. I simply stated this, I didnt even imply you knew nothing of these cultures, I was simply creating a background before my reply. Secondly you say that there is a thing called technology and a thing called space. The ancient Hebrew culture knew of both. You then proceed to say a lot of cultures worshpied stars thinking they were gods. You ask if they were gods and you reply no. You are incorrect a god is simply a thing that is worshipped. The stars were infact gods, where they not then these people would not have worshipped the stars. If you meant are they really Gods? That is a different question, one you did not ask and one that I believe to be irrelevant as we are talking of YHWH.

You made the assumption that I thought these cultures didn't know shit because of the period in which they lived. If the ancient Hebrew culture knew about both, why didn't they make a space ship and travel out in space? THEIR TECHNOLOGY WAS NOT THAT ADVANCED. Which is my point. They may have had technology, but it sure isn't like ANYTHING we have today. I like how you misinterpret thing that I say as well. I brought up the star thing because WE ALL KNOW that stars are NOT gods nor have they ever been. If I worship my toilet, does that make it a god? No, it means I'm stupid as fuck for worshiping a toilet. Apply that to whatever you want.

1) No human truly understands something as simple as nature.
2) You say God comes into the equation when people can't think of anything else and they need to feel like there is something "better," now i ask you how do you know this? How do you know I believe in God simply because I am afraid to die? Do not generalize all people who feel they need to make up God in order to ease the concept of death.
3)What exactly is this common sense you speak of? I may have a different variation of this 'common sense.' There are about 6 billion humans on earth, your concept of common sense doesnt seem very common unless a big majority hold the exact same values that constitute this 'common sense.'

No human huh? Well how are you gonna know that? Do you know every single human on Earth that has ever existed? I will say with confidence, your answer is NO. That's another assumption that you've made.

Your second point brings up what I said about fearing death. Well, you didn't make up the religion, so was I talking about you? I meant that the people who created the religion and many followers, not all.

Common sense is logic to me. Things that logically work are things that are common sense. Things that all people should know, dont kill people cause it's not good, shit like that. I don't need some "10 comandments" from "god" to tell me what is right and wrong. I am smart enough to know the difference myself and instead of fearing punishment for doing something wrong, I just don't do it anymore. As humans we make a lot of mistakes. I choose to learn from my mistakes and better my life because of the choices I have made. I think too many people are dependant on a higher power because they can't comprehend what its like to not have a "god" to look up to or to think that no "god" is watching you.

 

[Contagious Locc]

Humans create labels on things so that we can have order and classification, we make things up so that we are more comfortable with how things are because in all reality most humans can't comprehend something as simple as nature.

Exactly, so who's to say that your theory on the universe being created by energy wasn't a product of one "humans" imagination. You said that you believe in logic. So certainly you must have proof besides some scientific theory for your claim. I mean since you said you don't believe in anything you can't see, hear, or touch. That's a personal experience, not word of mouth. As you know I don't support the assumption of having to have logic to believe in what I do. So it seems a little contradicting to me that you don't have any physical evidence that the earth was made by energy, but you "know" it was. That's not logic, that's illogic. The debate we're having is circling around physical evidence, remember? If you have none then you're going off complete confidence, "faith" in other words, but you said you don't go off faith only logic. Please explain..

 

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I apologize for saying you don't know shit. But I didn't mean it like that. I meant you don't KNOW anything for sure that we are discussing. You assumed that I meant to be rude to you, but I didn't. That is assumption #1. I know that I have a great great etc grandfather, because without that I could not exist. But does there have to be a god for things to exist? In my opinion and experience, no.

How do you know you cannot exist with a great grandfather? How do you know you weren't adopted or created by some other being, either by supernatural divinity or maybe you were cloned a certain amount of years ago and given to a foster family? You don't and can't prove it unless you remember your own birth. Even if you have pictures or film of your birth there is always the possibility that this proof could have been doctored. Fact is you can't be sure.

You made the assumption that I thought these cultures didn't know shit because of the period in which they lived. If the ancient Hebrew culture knew about both, why didn't they make a space ship and travel out in space? THEIR TECHNOLOGY WAS NOT THAT ADVANCED. Which is my point. They may have had technology, but it sure isn't like ANYTHING we have today. I like how you misinterpret thing that I say as well. I brought up the star thing because WE ALL KNOW that stars are NOT gods nor have they ever been. If I worship my toilet, does that make it a god? No, it means I'm stupid as fuck for worshiping a toilet. Apply that to whatever you want.

1)I never made that assumption. I even clarified myself.
2)They didn't make a space ship because they did not have that technology that is correct but that is not to say they had no technology, that was my point, nothing else.
3)If you worship your toilet and treat it as your god then by definiton of the word the toilet is a god. If you are still asking me if your toilet is a devine being then that is up for debate and I would say no.

No human huh? Well how are you gonna know that? Do you know every single human on Earth that has ever existed? I will say with confidence, your answer is NO. That's another assumption that you've made.

Yes no human. My answer is not NO. Over confidence can lead one down the wrong path. Logically I believe that no human truly understands nature. Because I believe this I have no proof of a human that truly does understand nature, if you believe that some human ever has then please back up your statement with proof.

Your second point brings up what I said about fearing death. Well, you didn't make up the religion, so was I talking about you? I meant that the people who created the religion and many followers, not all.

You may have been talking to me, I didn't know. Your comment was a generalization. All you said was people, well i am a person and i belong to people.

Common sense is logic to me. Things that logically work are things that are common sense. Things that all people should know, dont kill people cause it's not good, shit like that. I don't need some "10 comandments" from "god" to tell me what is right and wrong. I am smart enough to know the difference myself and instead of fearing punishment for doing something wrong, I just don't do it anymore. As humans we make a lot of mistakes. I choose to learn from my mistakes and better my life because of the choices I have made. I think too many people are dependant on a higher power because they can't comprehend what its like to not have a "god" to look up to or to think that no "god" is watching you.

1) Common sense is logic to you, not necessarily that to me. It doesnt seem to be very common.
2) Don't kill people because it's not good. I dont believe that is common or logical. If anything I would say killing and/or murder are norms.
3) Maybe people are dependant on a higher power because they wish to do so, it is not necessarily because they feel they must have a crutch in order to face life, death, uncertainty.

 

[Contagious Locc]

damn, this post is bout to hit a hundred.. it's been cool tho, enjoyed choppin' it up wit' some of you katz, real talk

 

[2-0-Sixx]

As far as an agnostic, let me clearify it cause it seems like you're going in it too deep, a brief description of an agnostic... someone who holds that whether God exists is not known and probably cannot be known, that's pretty much the same thing I said. lol exclude part of being in denial, but basically they're unwilling to accept revelation and spiritual experience

I'm sorry if I got "too deep" for you but that is the true meaning of agnostic. No where in the definition is there anything about "being in denial" or "unwilling", which you said. I got the definition from the best place possible...the man who coined the term.

Now my definition of a freethinkiner isn't accurate either lol, now you're starting to make me question your resources since you admitted to using dictionary.com in the beginning of your text. scroll up. Freethinker: One who forms opinions indepentently and on the basis of "reason". You emphasied the use of this word above, and since you said you're a free thinker I figured maybe this definition was pretty accurate. Rejects traditional faith and believes only in what is rational maybe?

I only referred dicionary.com because I figured that’s what you use. For sake of argument, I will except your definition, " Freethinker: One who forms opinions independently and on the basis of "reason".

So are you atheist or the freethinker, surely it couldn't be both could it?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck? How could I not be both? YES, I AM AN ATHEIST AND A FREETHINKER. You're acting like "freethinker" is a religion or something. You said, "Freethinker: One who forms opinions indepentently and on the basis of "reason". That’s what I do. That's what atheists do. We use LOGIC and REASON to gain knowledge.

Oh yea, theres no need to watch the clocc, I've already posted some prophecies for you

What did you post? You posted references? Well, post the prophecies word for word, lets see them. Lets see this almighty proof. I stated that I'm not about to waste my time searching this shit. This is a thread made by a guy who says he has proof. It's not up to me, the atheist, to provide this information.

 

[Contagious Locc]

I'm gonna give you a few prophetic scriptures that have been fullfilled, but only the scriptures, y'all can look at 'em on your own time cause some of you really need to read up on it, knowledge is power.. I'm gonna refer to old testament scriptures and show their fullfillment in the new testament. That's B.C and A.D to simplify things for some of you lol

Subject: Christ is the savior... Old: Isaiah 19:20 New: John 3:16
Subject: Christ born in bethlehem.. Old: Micah 5:2 New: Luke 2:4, 5, 7
Subject: Born of a virgin... Old: Isaiah 7:14 New: Luke 1:26, 27, 30, 31
Subject: Preceded by Elijah.. Old: Malachi 4:5, 6 New: Matthew 11:13, 14
Subject: Declared the Son of God... Oldsalms 2:7 New: Matthew 3:17
Subject: Speaks in parables... Old: Psalms 78:2-4 New: Matthew 13:34, 35
Subject: A prophet.. Old: Deuteronomy 18:15 New: Acts 3:30, 22
Subject: Rejected by his own people... Old: Isaiah 53:3 New: John 1:11
Subject: Betrayed by close friend... Old: Psalms 71:9 New: Luke 22:47, 48
Subject: Betrayed by thirty pieces of silver.. Old: Zechariah 11:12 New: Matthew 26:14, 15
Subject: Spat on and strucc.. Old: Isaiah 50:6 New: Matthew 26:67
Subject: Crucified with malefactors.. Old: Isaiah 53:12 New: Mark 15:27, 28
Subject: Pierced through hands and feet.. Old: Zechariah 12:10 New: John 20:27
Subject: Prayer for his enemies... Old: Psalms 109:4 New: Luke 23:34
Subject: Soildiers gambled for his clothing.. Old: Psalms 22:17, 18 New Matthew 27:35, 36
Subject: Forsaken by God.. Old: Psalms 22:1 New: Matthew 27:46
Subject: No bones broken... Old: Psalms 34:20 New: John 19:32, 33, 36
Subject: His side pierced... Old: Zechariah 12:10 New: John 19:34
Subject: To be resurrected.. Old: Psalms 49:15 New: Mark 16:6, 7
Subject: His ascension to God's right hand... Old: Psalms 68:18 New: Mark 16:19

This is pretty self explanatory, however if you don't believe what's written in the bible then these never happen in your eyes. The common argument of an atheist is that the bible was written by man so they don't believe these things happen. I believe the individual books of the bible were written by men inspired by God in the old testament, and in the Spirit in the new testament. Personally, I believe this is a book of God.

Holla at cha

@20sixx, from the jump I told you that I wasn't gonna type these scriptures out completely. You asked for a list of prophesies, and you got them. It makes no sense for me to do such if you're not gonna do the research yourself, if you weren't gonna read about them what was the use of even asking for them? If I never studied the bible myself but just went off what others said I wouldn't believe in the bible either. Let me clearify my list for you, I tried to make it as simple as possible but you seem to have trouble understanding it. The subject line is the prophecy, the old and new scriptures are the "references". You, the atheist, was never asked to provide the any information I've already done that. But, if you're not gonna read it this is a waist of my time cause we're gonna keep going in circles. If I were going before a "judge" he or she would have to "review" the evidence before they made their final judgment, not just look at it and throw it out court. Oh yeah, you weren't getting too deep for "me", I work smarter not harder feel me?

To the unbelievers: Since the fulfillment of the prophecies was the topic of discussion that's what I'm gonna focus on. And again, for those of you who have never read the bible throughly, not saying you have to be a theologian or anything, please miss me cause deliberating with you is pointless.

 

[haNk1]

i really didn't want to jump into this, i just have one question though. do you agree with or follow the christian belief to a T? if not (and i'm assuming you don't), why do you defend it so strongly?

 

[I AM]

I'll get back to what is addressed to me when I have a free minute....I didn't forget, just been busy with homework....

 

[shep]

If I never studied the bible myself but just went off what others said I wouldn't believe in the bible either.

why do people study the bible? if it is truely the word of god, it wouldn't be mysterious and it would mean exactly what it says, there would be no interpretation or anything. goes to show how desperate the religious are to try and get their archaic beliefs to adapt to modern times

 

[2-0-Sixx]

But, just to clear things up I'm far from perfect, I haven't been to church in years, I don't live the life of a Christian but I know the word of God. Real talk, no frontin' on mines. I know the truth but I don't live the life, at least I'm not right now..

Hmm, sound like a half-assed christian to me

 

[I AM]

Exactly, so who's to say that your theory on the universe being created by energy wasn't a product of one "humans" imagination. You said that you believe in logic. So certainly you must have proof besides some scientific theory for your claim. I mean since you said you don't believe in anything you can't see, hear, or touch. That's a personal experience, not word of mouth. As you know I don't support the assumption of having to have logic to believe in what I do. So it seems a little contradicting to me that you don't have any physical evidence that the earth was made by energy, but you "know" it was. That's not logic, that's illogic. The debate we're having is circling around physical evidence, remember? If you have none then you're going off complete confidence, "faith" in other words, but you said you don't go off faith only logic. Please explain..

First, it's not a theory, if you don't believe that every thing that is not man made in the universe is a product of energy, you really aren't as smart as you think. Have you ever taken physics? Energy is a basic property in everything, not just on our planet, but everywhere humans have been in space as well. That's my logic, where's yours?

I said that my beliefs are based on my own personal life experiences awhile ago, so where did you get that news flash? I don't base what I believe on what ANYONE else does. That's one thing I've learned. I used to post in here and I always avoided religion because at that point in my life, I didn't know what I believed in. Now I do, so I talk about it. There is really no point in even arguing because we both believe so strongly that we are right we are never going to get through to one another.

If you think Earth wasn't created by energy, then what did your "god" create it with? Hocus pocus magic? Hell no. Everything is made of energy, even things made by a fictitional superior being or high power.

I think shep said it best....

"why do people study the bible? if it is truely the word of god, it wouldn't be mysterious and it would mean exactly what it says, there would be no interpretation or anything. goes to show how desperate the religious are to try and get their archaic beliefs to adapt to modern times."