The Thing That Seperates Christianity From Other Religions...

[I AM]

So instead of telling (again, as I didn't catch what part you truly didn't understand, as i find no problem with my first line) me what you didn't understand you come back and take shots at my character by telling me I am a smart ass.

I told you the first time. The first line of what you said. Did you forget? Do you want me to explain what I didn't understand? Well, I kind of did. I said it wasn't written well and I didn't know what you were trying to convey to me. Is that so hard to get? I didn't take shots at your character, I pointed out what I thought you were being.

How do you know you cannot exist with a great grandfather?

That's what didn't make sense...I do exist, but I'm still not understanding the wording you used. Maybe I'm just slow or somethin, but it doesn't make sense to me. As I said before, that's the FIRST LINE of what you said, which I SAID I didn't understand. If I have to post what you said for you to remember, you shouldn't even be sayin it in the first place.

how could I prove it? NOT SCIENCE!

So how do you prove it then? I'd really like to know, I wouldn't call it "faith" either.

That is no such thing. I don't care what any one tells you. No people hold the same standards. Some are into things like rape, incest, cannibalism, murder, etc. others are not.

There's not a general standard of ethics? Really? So my professor that teaches the course doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about? You're telling me that there aren't basic human ethics? Right dude, that's sad! In many cases ethics are based on morals and are common sense to many people...Maybe some people just aren't as smart or somethin...

maybe but we can't be sure until science comes up with a 'what if machine.'
If I have 'no reason' to watch TV that is my 'reason' for not watching it. The rest I did not say.

I never said that you said that, I was looking for an answer, not a "I never said that." If you care to re-read and re-reply go ahead.

I never said that. If you believe the pickle to be god then the pickle is a god; your god. That does not necessarily make him god or a divine super natural entity, this seems to be the 4th time I repeat myself.

So then how do you know that your god is "the god"? How do you know it is a divine super natural entity? You may repeat yourself, but you don't answer my questions very thoroughly, which is why I keep asking the shit!

1)I'm not proving the existance of God. Like I have previously said, this being the fifth time now, that if you worship a pickle, toilet, cat as a god then that being/item is a god because it would be your god. That does not make it THE god or a super natural entity.
2) If I look around at shit it looks like my god's creations have been here as long as time itself. And since he created these creations then he has been here long enough to create them.

1) So what makes it the god? And who decides this? And how did they decide that? Let's go with a better question, WHY did they decide that? And, if my pickle or toilet is A god, does THE "god" have anything to say about that? I thought in your religion there was only one god and that was the best one?

Just like an atheist to tell a Christian (follower of the way) that if we don't follow the bible to a T then not to bring it up. I think that 'argument' is weak as no where in the bible does it expect one to be perfect, not even Jesus believed humanity to be perfect, hence his sacrifice. Secondly you cannot condem any one to hell, being an atheist you don't believe in this 'imaginary' place of torment. Thus it makes no sense to bring it up, and if you brought it up then that makes you just as bad as all us hell-bent Christians.

Don't try to cop out because I said that shit man. Don't fucking preach to us about the bible if you aren't gonna follow it. You can't expect someone to respect someone fully or even a little bit, if you don't, and you are the one bible bangin! I know that you aren't perfect and either was Jesus. I never said he didn't exist. I'm sure he did, but I don't believe he did what people think he did. My point is, if I tell you that killing people is wrong and you shouldn't do it, then I go out and do it...THAT WOULD MAKE ME A HYPOCRITE. If you're not going to at least even TRY to follow all of it, then don't talk about it. Plain and simple...Now that's logical.

I wasn't condemning anyone, it was a joke, get a fucking sense of humor. I never said that I believed in "hell" either. As I just said, it was a joke, I was being sarcastic...Obviously you didn't catch what I was throwin...


@Contagious Locc....where's my description of what your god looks like?

 

[shep]

what was written by god? the bible?

"I Am", "I Am who I Am", "I Am that I Am".

i meant if it's supposed to be the word of god

and your I am answer is you trying to dodge giving a real answer

 

[shep]

1)I'm not proving the existance of God. Like I have previously said, this being the fifth time now, that if you worship a pickle, toilet, cat as a god then that being/item is a god because it would be your god. That does not make it THE god or a super natural entity.

I contend we are both atheists— I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you reject all other gods, you will understand why I reject yours as well.
Stephen F. Roberts

2) If I look around at shit it looks like my god's creations have been here as long as time itself. And since he created these creations then he has been here long enough to create them.

oh really? so the greek, roman, egyptian, african gods never existed before the christian god huh? that's interesting. and the idea of your god has been around for 14 billion years when people weren't around? kind of hard for an idea to exist if no people thought it. the christian god is the youngest god (save islam, which one could argue is older than christianity because it is based on the torah, but that's another debate)

 

[haNk1]

I contend we are both atheists— I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you reject all other gods, you will understand why I reject yours as well.
Stephen F. Roberts

that's a good ass quote...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

One of my all time favorites.

This one too, "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."
Gene Roddenberry

 

[Contagious Locc]

Exactly, so who's to say that your theory on the universe being created by energy wasn't a product of one "humans" imagination. You said that you believe in logic. So certainly you must have proof besides some scientific theory for your claim. I mean since you said you don't believe in anything you can't see, hear, or touch. That's a personal experience, not word of mouth. As you know I don't support the assumption of having to have logic to believe in what I do. So it seems a little contradicting to me that you don't have any physical evidence that the earth was made by energy, but you "know" it was. That's not logic, that's illogic. The debate we're having is circling around physical evidence, remember? If you have none then you're going off complete confidence, "faith" in other words, but you said you don't go off faith only logic. Please explain..

This must have went over your head, huh?. As I stated above, I don't support the assumption of having to have to logic to believe in what I do. You said I was going on faith remember, but you weren't only logic, that's where this conversation started from. Something or someone that can be explained isn't considered a God, hence the name Supreme Being, Alpha and Omega, The Almighty One, etc. I've said that before also..I see some of you don't like reading much, maybe that's why you're not challenging the list. You requested prophesies that were fulfilled you got them, y'all are going in circles, I'm trying to move foward. If you ain't gonna read it then that's cool, so I'm gonna drop it cause there's no need for me to continue this debate. I came here for one reason, to discuss the fulfillment of those prophesies. And on a keynote, I'm not here to try to convert anybody, my "only" intention was to support my belief that God's existance was real. I could honestly give a fucc whether you believe me or not, we're all entitled to your own opinions and beliefs. I'll holla at yall.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

FOR REAL THOUGH, GOD IS LORD. HE KNOW WHAT HE DOIN YOU JUST DUM SOMETIME YOU GOT TO THINK AND CONFUSING IT IS, BUT GOD IS THE TRUTH! ANY OF YOU THINK NO GOD, BELIEVES YOU? I HAVE READ BIBLE 2 TIMES! IT IS THERE! YOU READ FIND ANSWERS. I KNOW WHAT I READ, YOU READ YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I BEEN KNOWING FOR TIME. HOLLA

 

[haNk1]

what isn't there to challenge? the bible's worth no more to me than a book of aesop's fables. i'd like to see a better, unbiased reference for these fulfilled prophesies. it seems you're caught in your own circle here.

but in an attempt to escape the circle and throw out a new perspective...what if spirituality is an actual physical thing that we just don't notice because it's so prevalent in everyday life? what if it exists alongside the physical realm just as time does? i think that's a common mistake that people make is they associate spirit with physical matter. i just don't believe they're one in the same. but that's just my opinion on it at the moment and i'm still working to figure it out for myself.

 

[I AM]

This must have went over your head, huh?. As I stated above, I don't support the assumption of having to have to logic to believe in what I do. You said I was going on faith remember, but you weren't only logic, that's where this conversation started from. Something or someone that can be explained isn't considered a God, hence the name Supreme Being, Alpha and Omega, The Almighty One, etc. I've said that before also..I see some of you don't like reading much, maybe that's why you're not challenging the list. You requested prophesies that were fulfilled you got them, y'all are going in circles, I'm trying to move foward. If you ain't gonna read it then that's cool, so I'm gonna drop it cause there's no need for me to continue this debate. I came here for one reason, to discuss the fulfillment of those prophesies. And on a keynote, I'm not here to try to convert anybody, my "only" intention was to support my belief that God's existance was real. I could honestly give a fucc whether you believe me or not, we're all entitled to your own opinions and beliefs. I'll holla at yall.

Dogg, you are completely dodging my question. Why can't you answer it? That's not what you came to talk about? I'd say you're backing out...If you POST THESE PROPHECIES I will read them. You talk about how you believe it so much, but all you can do is tell us to go and read it, why don't you do something to "help" us since we don't "know".

 

[MEXCOM]

I told you the first time. The first line of what you said. Did you forget? Do you want me to explain what I didn't understand? Well, I kind of did. I said it wasn't written well and I didn't know what you were trying to convey to me. Is that so hard to get? I didn't take shots at your character, I pointed out what I thought you were being.

All you told me was that the first line was written wrong. I told you I found no problem. So obviously it is something you found wrong and I can't see, so if you point it out as I suggested it would make the responses go smoother.

That's what didn't make sense...I do exist, but I'm still not understanding the wording you used. Maybe I'm just slow or somethin, but it doesn't make sense to me. As I said before, that's the FIRST LINE of what you said, which I SAID I didn't understand. If I have to post what you said for you to remember, you shouldn't even be sayin it in the first place.

Ok. I said that how do you know you cannot exist without a grandfather, you said because you must have a grandfather in order for you to exist. Because you exist you come to the conclusion that your grandfather played some role in your existance since he and yor grandmother gave birth to your father and then your father and mother gave birth to you. I asked how do you know your grandfather played any role in your existance? You do not know and cannot prove it. For all we know, you are a human clone.

So how do you prove it then? I'd really like to know, I wouldn't call it "faith" either.

Maybe we can't prove it unless we are there to witness the said event.

There's not a general standard of ethics? Really? So my professor that teaches the course doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about? You're telling me that there aren't basic human ethics? Right dude, that's sad! In many cases ethics are based on morals and are common sense to many people...Maybe some people just aren't as smart or somethin...

If you are replying that I am not smart you are mistaken, I am quite intelligent. Now about this 'general standard of ethics,' who came up with the concept? Who generalized this general standard? Is this same general standard the same worldwide? Because I know some tribes still practice headhunting, other people stone others to death. Is this just a western thing? Because I know it isn't common.

I never said that you said that, I was looking for an answer, not a "I never said that." If you care to re-read and re-reply go ahead.

You said "So 'no reason' is reason." I never said that. "I said 'no reason' is a reason." A reason is very different from reason.

So then how do you know that your god is "the god"? How do you know it is a divine super natural entity? You may repeat yourself, but you don't answer my questions very thoroughly, which is why I keep asking the shit!

You never gave me a question to answer I didn't. Your questions, sometimes just statements or inderect questions, were about the toilet being a 'god,' I don't recall you asking me to validify my God until this post.

1) So what makes it the god? And who decides this? And how did they decide that? Let's go with a better question, WHY did they decide that? And, if my pickle or toilet is A god, does THE "god" have anything to say about that? I thought in your religion there was only one god and that was the best one?

In order for it to be the god then it must be YHWH. YHWH decides he is the God. He decides this as he created everything. If your toilet or pickle is a god (not necessarily a devine being but a being that you worship) it is up to you, but God probably doesnt like it. In my religion there is one god, i never denied it. You seem to be missing the point, hence me having to repeat myself. If you worship the toilet that makes the toilet a god (a being/thing that you worship) but it does make it a god in the sense that it has super natural powers.

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Don't try to cop out because I said that shit man. Don't fucking preach to us about the bible if you aren't gonna follow it. You can't expect someone to respect someone fully or even a little bit, if you don't, and you are the one bible bangin! I know that you aren't perfect and either was Jesus. I never said he didn't exist. I'm sure he did, but I don't believe he did what people think he did. My point is, if I tell you that killing people is wrong and you shouldn't do it, then I go out and do it...THAT WOULD MAKE ME A HYPOCRITE. If you're not going to at least even TRY to follow all of it, then don't talk about it. Plain and simple...Now that's logical.

1) Never did I bible bang, which I am taking to mean the same as bible thumping, preaching, condeming you, etc.
2) I never copped out. I told you that you obviously dont know about the subject about which we are talking about and let you know you didnt know as much as you might have thought.
3) I never said I was perfect, infact I have probably done a lot of things that your 'general standards of ethics' would consider as bad or immoral. Neither the bible/God/Jesus expect me to be perfect.
4) Now you bring up logic. I shall use your logic. You say that if I won't even try to follow all of it (bible) then I shouldn't talk about it because it is logical. . Does that mean that you shouldn't type anymore because you have mispelled words? Does that mean that you shouldn't talk because obviously you must have mispoken once in your life? The only logic I find is not to let some internet persona not make my choices for me, especially about what I can or cannot talk about.

I wasn't condemning anyone, it was a joke, get a fucking sense of humor. I never said that I believed in "hell" either. As I just said, it was a joke, I was being sarcastic...Obviously you didn't catch what I was throwin...

As I cannot hear your tone of words and the mannerisms in which you type it is impossible for me to know when one is joking or not online. Please take the test belowe:
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Which one is sarcastic, which one is serious?
1) I will kill you.
2) I will kill you.

 

[MEXCOM]

i meant if it's supposed to be the word of god

and your I am answer is you trying to dodge giving a real answer

1)Well the answer is still no, the bible was not written by God.
2) My am answer is not trying to dodge a bullet. Obviously you need to read the bible before you dismiss my answers and if you dont want to read the bible then do not dismiss my answers but rather ask why i said what I said as you obviously don't know why the I am answer it valid but I will try to explain. Logically who would know more about shep? Mexicancommando or shep? Obviously shep. Now who could give a better description of who you are? Obviously you as I do not know you. God said the 'I am" answer and in doing so described himself. Since neither you nor I know more about God than God then it was a valid answer. If you want an even more in depth answer I would sugges praying to God so that he may answer your prayer/

 

[MEXCOM]

I contend we are both atheists— I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you reject all other gods, you will understand why I reject yours as well.
Stephen F. Roberts

I contend we are both religious- you just have not accepted the truth and thus dismiss God. When you find the truth you will know why I am religious.
MexicanCommando

oh really? so the greek, roman, egyptian, african gods never existed before the christian god huh? that's interesting. and the idea of your god has been around for 14 billion years when people weren't around? kind of hard for an idea to exist if no people thought it. the christian god is the youngest god (save islam, which one could argue is older than christianity because it is based on the torah, but that's another debate)

Nope. God is the alpha and the Omega. Yes my God has been around as long as the universe, longer even. Why would people have to think up God? If anything he thought us up. The christian god (the 'youngest god') is the same god that is in the torah and in the koran (jewish and islamic scriptures). So how could he be younger than himself?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I contend we are both religious- you just have not accepted the truth and thus dismiss God. When you find the truth you will know why I am religious.
MexicanCommando
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That was weak dog..

Nope. God is the alpha and the Omega. Yes my God has been around as long as the universe, longer even.

Oooohhhh. My god is infinity plus one

 

[shep]

I contend we are both religious- you just have not accepted the truth and thus dismiss God. When you find the truth you will know why I am religious.
MexicanCommando

Nope. God is the alpha and the Omega. Yes my God has been around as long as the universe, longer even. Why would people have to think up God? If anything he thought us up. The christian god (the 'youngest god') is the same god that is in the torah and in the koran (jewish and islamic scriptures). So how could he be younger than himself?

i wouldn't say the god in the torah and the new testament are the same god. they have totally different characteristics. it's funny how a supreme being has so many mood swings.... oh well.... maybe if i accept him into my life there will no longer be war, poverty, and famine.

 

[MEXCOM]

That was weak dog..

Same could be said for your arguments.

 

[MEXCOM]

i wouldn't say the god in the torah and the new testament are the same god. they have totally different characteristics. it's funny how a supreme being has so many mood swings.... oh well.... maybe if i accept him into my life there will no longer be war, poverty, and famine.

Well he is the same God. YHWH.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Same could be said for your arguments.

Which ones?

 

[MEXCOM]

Which ones?

Any anti-God argument.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Any anti-God argument.

How is that? You dont have any evidence at all that your god exists. Plain and simple. This thread and all the others will continue on and on without one theist providing one single piece of supporting evidence of their claims. All you have is your "faith." Thats it.

 

[MEXCOM]

How is that? You dont have any evidence at all that your god exists. Plain and simple. This thread and all the others will continue on and on without one theist providing one single piece of supporting evidence of their claims. All you have is your "faith." Thats it.

For the simple fact that Science can't disprove my God. And much like the theist, the atheist will never have the proof; proof to disprove God.