The Thing That Seperates Christianity From Other Religions...

miggidy · Apr 23, 2004

Contagious Locc said:

I'm gonna give you a few prophetic scriptures that have been fullfilled, but only the scriptures, y'all can look at 'em on your own time cause some of you really need to read up on it, knowledge is power.. I'm gonna refer to old testament scriptures and show their fullfillment in the new testament. That's B.C and A.D to simplify things for some of you lol

Subject: Christ is the savior... Old: Isaiah 19:20 New: John 3:16
Subject: Christ born in bethlehem.. Old: Micah 5:2 New: Luke 2:4, 5, 7
Subject: Born of a virgin... Old: Isaiah 7:14 New: Luke 1:26, 27, 30, 31
Subject: Preceded by Elijah.. Old: Malachi 4:5, 6 New: Matthew 11:13, 14
Subject: Declared the Son of God... Old

salms 2:7 New: Matthew 3:17
Subject: Speaks in parables... Old: Psalms 78:2-4 New: Matthew 13:34, 35
Subject: A prophet.. Old: Deuteronomy 18:15 New: Acts 3:30, 22
Subject: Rejected by his own people... Old: Isaiah 53:3 New: John 1:11
Subject: Betrayed by close friend... Old: Psalms 71:9 New: Luke 22:47, 48
Subject: Betrayed by thirty pieces of silver.. Old: Zechariah 11:12 New: Matthew 26:14, 15
Subject: Spat on and strucc.. Old: Isaiah 50:6 New: Matthew 26:67
Subject: Crucified with malefactors.. Old: Isaiah 53:12 New: Mark 15:27, 28
Subject: Pierced through hands and feet.. Old: Zechariah 12:10 New: John 20:27
Subject: Prayer for his enemies... Old: Psalms 109:4 New: Luke 23:34
Subject: Soildiers gambled for his clothing.. Old: Psalms 22:17, 18 New Matthew 27:35, 36
Subject: Forsaken by God.. Old: Psalms 22:1 New: Matthew 27:46
Subject: No bones broken... Old: Psalms 34:20 New: John 19:32, 33, 36
Subject: His side pierced... Old: Zechariah 12:10 New: John 19:34
Subject: To be resurrected.. Old: Psalms 49:15 New: Mark 16:6, 7
Subject: His ascension to God's right hand... Old: Psalms 68:18 New: Mark 16:19

This is pretty self explanatory, however if you don't believe what's written in the bible then these never happen in your eyes. The common argument of an atheist is that the bible was written by man so they don't believe these things happen. I believe the individual books of the bible were written by men inspired by God in the old testament, and in the Spirit in the new testament. Personally, I believe this is a book of God.

Holla at cha

I see that you beat me to the punch LOL!
It's important to note that these old testament prophecies are documented in the dead sea scrolls. Which are dated to thousands of years ago. Hundreds of years before Jesus was born....

miggidy · Apr 23, 2004

shep said:

LMAO!!!!

The documented and proven prophecies of the coming of Jesus are shown and the typical gentile reaction is to pull the "Jesus never existed" card as a last resort.

NEWS FLASH!
There is physical archeological evidence that shows many of the characters and places recorded in the gospels actually existed.
Shit, we have found Peter's remains for Christ's sake.
What more do you want?
Jewish historians have recorded Jesus in their records....

Sorry but I don't think we'll ever find Jesus' driver's license....

2-0-Sixx · Apr 23, 2004

Most scientists (University of California-Berkeley) believe that they could not speak, as in having their own language. They may have been able to make sounds, but they were not sophisticated enough to speak to each other. There is physical evidence of this.

Funny how most of these scientists are religious.
Are you implying my mind is closed? I hope not Mig....

Of course not. I am looking for "empirical evidence".

-Evidence that can be independently verified through objective means.

-Evidence that can be independently verified by anyone who chooses to do so.

-Evidence that exists of its own accord regardless of one's belief in it or not.

In short, the only kind of evidence that is valid is evidence that is empirically gathered. This requires using the scientific method to gather this evidence.Here is a brief introductory for those of you who don't know what that is.

You skipped my question. "Does evolution have to with mutations?"

Most of them are. Find me one atheist scientists that claims these wacky things? Why do you think certain scientists claim these such shit? Because that's what their bible tells them so they try and make science "fit" into their beliefs.

Oh my god! What are you talking about? Evolution has to do with mutations! WTF? How is this contrary to Evolution? I don't think you understand evolution at all. Beneficial mutations, ever heard of it?

Lets say a fish millions of years ago had a slight mutation which made it's eyes slightly off to the side. It turns out this benefits the fishes hunting skills. This fish mates and passes its genes to the next generation and so on. Millions of years later, you have a fish with eyes on the outside of their heads. Understand?

Mutations are any changes in genetic material. Mutations can be caused by such agents as radiation and chemicals or errors. When they occur in sex cells, the mutations can be passed on to offspring.

Mutations are random nucleotide alterations such as copying errors or changes induced by external mutagens. In contrast, genetic recombination is performed by the cell during the preparation of gametes (sperm, egg, pollen) which are used for sexual reproduction.

I'm patiently waiting your proof.

I AM · Apr 23, 2004

Contagious Locc said:

You follow a belief where the years of the world are based on Jesus' existence...You do know the planet Earth is like 5.6 billion years old right? Or is that a "theory" of scientists and you don't believe them?

DubbC415 · Apr 23, 2004

what was the pic of in Rectal's sig? i couldnt tell what it was.

MEXCOM · Apr 23, 2004

2-0-Sixx said:

Eh? I know it's a popular expression but that would be the equivalent of EDJ saying, "I like White people."

2-0-Sixx · Apr 23, 2004

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:

HA!

You got me there.

Contagious Locc · Apr 23, 2004

2-0-Sixx said:

lol I said faith has an "important" part of the Christian faith. You obviously didn't read the rest of my reply when I spoke of actuallly reading the scriptures and studying them. The faith is important because without it you'll pretty much be in denial the rest of your life, so of course you're gonna have to open up, or atleast be open minded. The Christian faith is a process, you just can't have the faith without doing the necessary studying of his word and actually following his example. You have to mature as a Christian because only havin faith and not piccin up your bible to receive God's revelation makes you stagnant in your walk with him, you'll never grow.

WHITE DEVIL · Apr 23, 2004

Scientists are a bunch of BIASED LIBERALS

2-0-Sixx · Apr 23, 2004

Contagious Locc said:

No, I did read the rest of your post. I didn't comment on it because faith is bullshit (my opinion of course). Faith is the belief in something in spite of the lack of supporting evidence or the existence of contradictory evidence for that something, using faith as evidence is self defeating.

DubbC415 · Apr 23, 2004

lmao, i hope ur not serious, white devil.

Contagious Locc · Apr 23, 2004

Which brings us to the point that there is no proof that Jesus existed to begin with--Shep

I took covered this in my very first post, my proof lies in the scriptures, if you don't believe in the bible or God then your destined to your own faith. The only thing any human on this planet can do for you is witness by telling you their revelation on God and how he has changed their lives, pray for you, and show you in their works. They can't drag you to church, they can't make you sit down and read the bible, they can't make you pray, they can't make you believe. They can eventually help you do these things by continuing to live the life Christ set forth. But, you have to take the initiation to search for anwsers if you have any. Seek, Ask, and Knock and he will anwser.
You have to "personally" seek what's true or not yourself, a personal relationship with the Lord mandatory if you're gonna receive a revalation.

From my first post:

Contagious Locc said:

Contagious Locc · Apr 23, 2004

20sixx, but you have faith that there's no God, right? Hmmm that seems a lil contradicting to me since your beliefs are based on faith just as well as mines. Oh my bad, well faith as well as a biblical account that protrays the existance of God, not to mention a list of prophesies that's being discarded because the argument is whether or not the bible is official word of God. I'm presenting valid evidence, whether its "true" or not, but the atheists aren't explaining the concepts of their philosophy. C'mon dogg, enlighten me, I stated my case now state yours.

@sicxxness, BC: Before Christ AD: Anno Domini, I think that pretty much covers the 5.6 billion yr "estimation" of scientist, right? Oh yeah, it's important to note the Roman Empire didn't start using AD until Jesus started his ministry in Nazareth which shows this was a monumental event taking place in history.

2-0-Sixx · Apr 23, 2004

Contagious Locc said:

No, that's 100% false. I do not have faith that there is no god, I simply have not seen any evidence that supports a god. Remember, Atheism simply means, lack of belief in god. Atheists don't neccessarily make the claim "I believe there is no god." They simply say "I don't believe that there is a god" big difference. I already defined faith for you. What purpose does faith have for me?

nefar559 · Apr 23, 2004

2-0-Sixx said:

if i use my brain for a minute (LOL) i think of, why in the koran did God tell muslims not to eat pork? and to clean themselfs when entering a masjid (mosque) ? people back then couldn't understand why.

you cant rule out the existence of God, if you follow the scienctific method.

btw bush was talking to the satan (your idol)

2-0-Sixx · Apr 23, 2004

nefar559 said:

What the hell? This is your response? God told them not to eat pork and to clean themselves? Come, you can do better then that.

I think you need to give people (back then) a little more credit. I know this is hard to imagine, so bare with me. People, thousands of years ago had sophisticated sewers! WOW! Now, did god tell them that? Or is it common sense not to roll around in shit?

Yes I can and I already have Comrade. Can you please explain to me (following the scientific method) why I cannot not? HERE is an introduction to the scientific method in case you need a little help.

Oh yes, Satan. He's a good guy.

BTW
I FOUND JESUS!
He was in the back of my trunk on the way home from tijuana

I AM · Apr 23, 2004

Contagious Locc said:

I understand that now....but......

If I went around doin the shit that Jesus did today, I would be put into an institution. People viewed the world differently back then, they knew less, therefore they had to make up what they didn't have an answer for...I don't believe that there is a "god" but I believe that energy is everything that's living. To religious people it's a higher power, but why is it higher than antying if it's made up of the exact same shit? It's all about following something....Energy is nature...People just make up ways to cope with the harsh reality of life.

MEXCOM · Apr 23, 2004

Sixxness said:

If you bring back the death, turn water into wine, and cast out demons then I doubt any one will think you are crazy. Besides if you tried to do what Jesus did back then you would have been killed.

Sixxness said:

These cultures weren't a bunch of hicks. They were incredible intelligent. They had math, science, philosophy, medicine, etc. They didn't know as much as we know, but that does not mean they had to resort to fairy tales to get answers.

Sixxness said:

You are trying to compare something that cannot be truly classified (God) with something that can (Energy). This makes no sense logically.

Sixxness said:

maybe but we can't prove this.

Contagious Locc · Apr 23, 2004

2-0-Sixx said:

Faith: Firm belief in the value, truth, or truthworthness of something or someone; complete confidence..

I hope you don't find this disrespectful, because in no way do I intend to come across as such but I've come across three types of unbelievers when touching on this subject. An atheist which denies the existance of God and rejects all religious faith and practice, in other words they have faith that theres no God. An agnostic which withholds belief because of unwillingness to accept the evidence of revelation and spiritual experience, this is the one that's in denial, key words "unwillingness to accept". Last but not least the freethinker, one who has lost or rejected traditional faith and believes only in what is rational and credible. This is the unbeliever whos theory is based primary on lacc of understanding, usually the person who has never really read the bible "seriously". Here we have one that denies his existance, one who's in denial, and one who laccs understanding. So can you tell me which one you are because from your previous post you said you haven't seen any evidence of a God, therefore you don't believe in his existance. So that eliminates option one, because an atheist doesn't believe in his existance to begin with. From your post you said you need evidence which fits the agnostic or free thinkers criteria, please correct me if I'm worng. If you have a dictionary handy please look up the definition of an atheist and post it for me. On lookers can do the same, guaranteed "the denial of God's existance" is somewhere in that definition. Oh yeah, by the way in your last post you said satan was a good guy which leads me to the assumption that you believe there's a devil. If that's so, God's existance is credible given the point there's a universal war going on between good and evil. Hmm..

Athiest: A person who believes there is no God
Agnostic: A person who holds that whether God exists is not known and probably cannot be found
Freethinker: One who forms opinons independently, doubts or denies religious doctrine

shep · Apr 23, 2004

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:

where's the proof of any of these so called miracles? because 1 books says so? that's pure BS. if jesus was such a special guy, how come none of the writers of the time of jesus ever wrote about him... surely being writers they would be inclined to do so, since that is their job

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