The Proof I Promised
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If my bible does not qualify as evidence then there is no evidence to support YHWH. Hence no God.
Let's look at logic 2-0, you seem to favor that. If Christianity is 100% false then the notion of God is false. So then why say, "Does this mean there is no god? No..." this is contradicting, If Christianity is all false, something you cannot prove, then the notion of God has to be false because this 100% false religion testifies that there is a God.
Let's look at logic 2-0, you seem to favor that. If Christianity is 100% false then the notion of God is false. So then why say, "Does this mean there is no god? No..." this is contradicting, If Christianity is all false, something you cannot prove, then the notion of God has to be false because this 100% false religion testifies that there is a God.
Listen dumb ass, there are OTHER RELIGIONS. Just because one doesn't believe in the "christian god" does not mean that person does not believe in god. I can't believe how narrow minded your thinking is. "If you don't believe in christianity, then you don't believe in god because there is only one god!" Is anybody else reading this shit?
Open your mind for just 10 seconds and think. Take a deep breathe and think. There are other religions. These people believe in a god or multiple gods. They differ from your beliefs. You fuckin amaze me.
Open your mind for just 10 seconds and think. Take a deep breathe and think. There are other religions. These people believe in a god or multiple gods. They differ from your beliefs. You fuckin amaze me.
I know there are other religions. i have never denied this. As a Christian I believe there is only one God. How hard is that for you to understand?
No shit. I have studied a great deal of these religions. But please What about your logic. Answer that for me.
That means ALL of it. Christians believe in God. If Christianity is ALL false then the concept of God is rediculous, regardless if one is mono or polytheist. So Once again why say "Does this mean there is no god? No..." When the WHOLE/COMPLETE view of christianity is wrong? Because as I remember Christians are 'assuming' that a god exists?
No shit. I have studied a great deal of these religions. But please What about your logic. Answer that for me.
That means ALL of it. Christians believe in God. If Christianity is ALL false then the concept of God is rediculous, regardless if one is mono or polytheist. So Once again why say "Does this mean there is no god? No..." When the WHOLE/COMPLETE view of christianity is wrong? Because as I remember Christians are 'assuming' that a god exists?
No offense, (well I don't give a shit :knockout: ) your such a fucking dumb ass. I'm through debating religion with you. It is pointless if you can't even grasp basic thoughts.
Lets talk about Hitler or something. So, What do you think the outcome would have been if Japan attacked Russia from the East like Hitler wanted them to? Do you think they would have defeated the soviets? Do you think America would have stayed out of the war?
Lets talk about Hitler or something. So, What do you think the outcome would have been if Japan attacked Russia from the East like Hitler wanted them to? Do you think they would have defeated the soviets? Do you think America would have stayed out of the war?
No offense taken. But if it's any consolidation I think you really do not know much about religion. Especially when you say 'something' is completely false yet think there is a possibility that one of the main pillars of that 'something' has a possibility of being real.
If Japan had attacked Russia that would have definitely given Germany an advantage. Perhaps not once so grand as to defeat or annhilate the Russians but enough of a chance to give the Germans the time they needed to keep the war going on for a few more months or maybe even longer. Of course I believe it would have been in their best interest to have defeated the British first before declaring war on Russia at all. There biggest mistake was the same Napolean made attacking during a Russian Winter (Stalingrad). Had he waited or even better not attacked Russia he would have had control of the east. From there all he had to do was attack Russia from the left while Japan would be able to attack Russia from the Right. Having no allies and being cut off from the Rest of the world the Russians would have fallen sooner our later. This then leaves American Intervention. Although it seemed the US never had a reason to join the war, prior to pearl harbor, this was not the case, the Americans were constantly shipping armor, weapons, supplies to the English and French. But had England Fallen it would have been harder for the US to attack a Nazi Europe. This coupled with Japan attacking the US from the pacific would have been enough to defeat the Americans or at the very least get them into a stale mate. If anything had hitler had a little more time and especially if he had given more thought into his R&D department (continuing research for the Atomic Bomb) we would all be either imprisoned, dead, Nazi's, or slaves.
If Japan had attacked Russia that would have definitely given Germany an advantage. Perhaps not once so grand as to defeat or annhilate the Russians but enough of a chance to give the Germans the time they needed to keep the war going on for a few more months or maybe even longer. Of course I believe it would have been in their best interest to have defeated the British first before declaring war on Russia at all. There biggest mistake was the same Napolean made attacking during a Russian Winter (Stalingrad). Had he waited or even better not attacked Russia he would have had control of the east. From there all he had to do was attack Russia from the left while Japan would be able to attack Russia from the Right. Having no allies and being cut off from the Rest of the world the Russians would have fallen sooner our later. This then leaves American Intervention. Although it seemed the US never had a reason to join the war, prior to pearl harbor, this was not the case, the Americans were constantly shipping armor, weapons, supplies to the English and French. But had England Fallen it would have been harder for the US to attack a Nazi Europe. This coupled with Japan attacking the US from the pacific would have been enough to defeat the Americans or at the very least get them into a stale mate. If anything had hitler had a little more time and especially if he had given more thought into his R&D department (continuing research for the Atomic Bomb) we would all be either imprisoned, dead, Nazi's, or slaves.
The second law of thermodynamics proves god does not exist. Do you devine thinkers understand entropy?
also when a profecy is included in religious texts and memorized and contemplated by generations of beeliverzzzz the likelyhood of its occurance increases exponentially with the birth of every reproductive member of the stated cult. Because people tend to attempt to fulfill profocies they consider devine in an attempt to please their God.
also when a profecy is included in religious texts and memorized and contemplated by generations of beeliverzzzz the likelyhood of its occurance increases exponentially with the birth of every reproductive member of the stated cult. Because people tend to attempt to fulfill profocies they consider devine in an attempt to please their God.
Yes I am aware of the law. It does not disprove God. Might I also add that some professionals in the field of Thermodynamics and Evolutionist belive that the 2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts evolution.
When it is said that Jesus was going to be crucified it was a prophecy way ahead of its time. In fact the origins of that prophecy go so far back in time (although relatively a short amount of time when you look at how old the earth is) that the description of the Messiah's death were given before Crucifixion was invented. It is ludicrous to think the Roman empire would be influenced at all by the Christians prior to Constantine in the year 313 AD.
When it is said that Jesus was going to be crucified it was a prophecy way ahead of its time. In fact the origins of that prophecy go so far back in time (although relatively a short amount of time when you look at how old the earth is) that the description of the Messiah's death were given before Crucifixion was invented. It is ludicrous to think the Roman empire would be influenced at all by the Christians prior to Constantine in the year 313 AD.
There are many aspects of human irrationality I do not yet comprehend. Religion, for one. The persistent single-minded fixation on an idea without evidence. Without facts, the decisions cannot be made logically.
When faced with difficult questions, men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see. Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose -- and excluding that which is painful
When faced with difficult questions, men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see. Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose -- and excluding that which is painful
Yes I am aware of the law. It does not disprove God. Might I also add that some professionals in the field of Thermodynamics and Evolutionist belive that the 2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts evolution.
who are these professionals more christian scientists. It most certainly does disprove the existance of a creator. tell me what you understand about entropy. If energy only moves in one direction and the randomness of the universe is ever increasing then how can their be a moment of mass creation? Evolution and the 2nd law are seamlessly interwoven the ability to develope systems of greater complexity is balanced by the increased degridation of larger systems/structures derived from a mass release of energy and matter at the begining of the current phase of physical reality. If spiritual/religious "occurances" do not follow this law they do not exist and could never have happened evolution does follow this law and consequently can be included in the realm of posibility. The probobility of an event occuring which does not abide by this law in this universe is 0 <- thats a zero
who are these professionals more christian scientists. It most certainly does disprove the existance of a creator. tell me what you understand about entropy. If energy only moves in one direction and the randomness of the universe is ever increasing then how can their be a moment of mass creation? Evolution and the 2nd law are seamlessly interwoven the ability to develope systems of greater complexity is balanced by the increased degridation of larger systems/structures derived from a mass release of energy and matter at the begining of the current phase of physical reality. If spiritual/religious "occurances" do not follow this law they do not exist and could never have happened evolution does follow this law and consequently can be included in the realm of posibility. The probobility of an event occuring which does not abide by this law in this universe is 0 <- thats a zero
In its simplest form, the second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of a closed system never decreases. Pretty much what you said.
Now as to these scientist being Christians? What the fuck are you thinking? Why would a Christian disagree with creation? These scientist are Atheists. Besides this "law" isn't even a law. It's got a flaw. "Mexwell's Demon." Look into it. Also Earth is NOT a closed system. So how this would apply to the whole earth I would not know.
Creationist say:
"Of all the statements that have been made with respect to theories on the origin of life, the statement that the Second Law of Thermodynamics poses no problem for an evolutionary origin of life is the most absurd... The operation of natural processes on which the Second Law of Thermodynamics is based is alone sufficient, therefore, to preclude the spontaneous evolutionary origin of the immense biological order required for the origin of life." (Duane Gish, Ph.D. in biochemistry from University of California at Berkeley)
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Sir Fred Hoyle: "The probability of life originating at random is so utterly miniscule as to make it absurd... and the chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein."
Evolutionist say:
Roger Lewin:
One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, not more, order
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George Stravropoulos :
...No complex organic molecule can ever form spontaneously but will rather disintegrate, in agreement with the second law. Indeed, the more complex it is, the more unstable it will be, and the more assured, sooner or later, its disintegration. Photosynthesis and all life processes, and even life itself, cannot yet be understood in terms of thermodynamics or any other exact science, despite the use of confused or deliberately confusing language.
What people argue is this: If the second law of thermodynamics states things will decay and become disorderly then how can evolution (a process in which things develop and become more orderly with time) exist? One or the other is wrong, either evolution or the 2nd 'law' of thermodynamics.
Now as to these scientist being Christians? What the fuck are you thinking? Why would a Christian disagree with creation? These scientist are Atheists. Besides this "law" isn't even a law. It's got a flaw. "Mexwell's Demon." Look into it. Also Earth is NOT a closed system. So how this would apply to the whole earth I would not know.
Creationist say:
"Of all the statements that have been made with respect to theories on the origin of life, the statement that the Second Law of Thermodynamics poses no problem for an evolutionary origin of life is the most absurd... The operation of natural processes on which the Second Law of Thermodynamics is based is alone sufficient, therefore, to preclude the spontaneous evolutionary origin of the immense biological order required for the origin of life." (Duane Gish, Ph.D. in biochemistry from University of California at Berkeley)
AND
Sir Fred Hoyle: "The probability of life originating at random is so utterly miniscule as to make it absurd... and the chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein."
Evolutionist say:
Roger Lewin:
One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, not more, order
AND
George Stravropoulos :
...No complex organic molecule can ever form spontaneously but will rather disintegrate, in agreement with the second law. Indeed, the more complex it is, the more unstable it will be, and the more assured, sooner or later, its disintegration. Photosynthesis and all life processes, and even life itself, cannot yet be understood in terms of thermodynamics or any other exact science, despite the use of confused or deliberately confusing language.
What people argue is this: If the second law of thermodynamics states things will decay and become disorderly then how can evolution (a process in which things develop and become more orderly with time) exist? One or the other is wrong, either evolution or the 2nd 'law' of thermodynamics.
Whether its your ignorance or mine, that is up for debate.
BUt the fact is you haven't even researched any of the stuff you copied and pasted.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you fucking kidding me????
Did the Moses know back in his day that scientists would consider bats as beasts in the animal kingdom?
Do you even have a clue as to what the Dragon represents?
Shep this is the epitome of ignorance, you really don't know what you're posting do you? I'm pretty sure you're not this stupid.
It looks like you're just going around in a paganistic type Easter egg hunt looking for any ignorant internet article that's bashing the bible.
You forgot about Enoch LOL!
He too was taken into Heaven....
John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Nicodemus answered and said to Him, "How can these things be?"
Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
You see the difference it makes when you read the entire passage in its entirety?
Jesus is basically saying that no man shall enter heaven in the flesh, you need the Spirit in order to get in. Heaven is not for us, but for spiritual beings. That is why most Christians are wrong when they think that they are going to heaven when they die. Heaven is not for us, a new Earth is what we will get along with eternal life....
The Earth was meant to last forever just like man was, but man fell to sin and lost it all.
Now God will destroy it all and make it perfect....
Read the bible man!
As for Noah and the flood, read the bible yourself!
Stop beleiving all these fucking lies.
Understand that evil is out to deceive the world, your copied and pasted posts are full of misinformation.
The raining lasted 40 days and 40 nights.
The flood lasted 150 days.
You would've understanded that had you read the book of Genesis instead of taking someone else's word for it....
I had enough of this shit, the rest of your posts are all like this.
Full of ignorance....
Read the bible man, how can you discredit something you know so little about?
BUt the fact is you haven't even researched any of the stuff you copied and pasted.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you fucking kidding me????
Did the Moses know back in his day that scientists would consider bats as beasts in the animal kingdom?
Do you even have a clue as to what the Dragon represents?
Shep this is the epitome of ignorance, you really don't know what you're posting do you? I'm pretty sure you're not this stupid.
It looks like you're just going around in a paganistic type Easter egg hunt looking for any ignorant internet article that's bashing the bible.
You forgot about Enoch LOL!
He too was taken into Heaven....
John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Nicodemus answered and said to Him, "How can these things be?"
Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
You see the difference it makes when you read the entire passage in its entirety?
Jesus is basically saying that no man shall enter heaven in the flesh, you need the Spirit in order to get in. Heaven is not for us, but for spiritual beings. That is why most Christians are wrong when they think that they are going to heaven when they die. Heaven is not for us, a new Earth is what we will get along with eternal life....
The Earth was meant to last forever just like man was, but man fell to sin and lost it all.
Now God will destroy it all and make it perfect....
Read the bible man!
As for Noah and the flood, read the bible yourself!
Stop beleiving all these fucking lies.
Understand that evil is out to deceive the world, your copied and pasted posts are full of misinformation.
The raining lasted 40 days and 40 nights.
The flood lasted 150 days.
You would've understanded that had you read the book of Genesis instead of taking someone else's word for it....
I had enough of this shit, the rest of your posts are all like this.
Full of ignorance....
Read the bible man, how can you discredit something you know so little about?
Maxwells demon there is a demon who only lets things through the door 1 way right some shit like that this has been disproven do some reading.
I already explained it but here is a reiteration.
the reason complex systems can evolve is because in the long term they are creating a greater amount of chaos/disorder than they embody can you understand that. you eat and break down food at about a 38% effeciency all of the other energy and matter (shit) that is not encorperated into you is degraded into a less ordered form. entiende?
So whats the probability that you will accept reason?
The universe is a closed system.
also you should not argue about things you don't understand I can recommend some reading if you are really interested in thermodynamics and physical aberations.
I already explained it but here is a reiteration.
the reason complex systems can evolve is because in the long term they are creating a greater amount of chaos/disorder than they embody can you understand that. you eat and break down food at about a 38% effeciency all of the other energy and matter (shit) that is not encorperated into you is degraded into a less ordered form. entiende?
So whats the probability that you will accept reason?
The universe is a closed system.
also you should not argue about things you don't understand I can recommend some reading if you are really interested in thermodynamics and physical aberations.
Thermodynamics is for lames. If your into that thermodynamics that you should take Lameology. Because its right up your alley, the alley of lames. God exits its impossible for him not to. I dont need to try and prove it because its already known. Anyhow everone needs to just quit talking about it because no one can prove either way. When the world ends and everything goes crazy then i can say i told you so until then lets just stick to Gangsta Rap and what new Sicx diss someone will think of. You hear me Lenin just calm your nerves and dont get so insane on stuff you have no clue to.
P.S.
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS
P.S.
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS