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Dodgers offered arbitration to ZERO players also (that includes Orlando Hudson and Randy Wolf)

Lowry, from what i heard had a deep hatred for the Gaints (front office/medical staff) because they continuosly misdiagnosed his injury and caused him to lose years of his career......just what i have heard......
 

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^^^yeah thats pretty much what happened...i think they did the surgery on the wrong shoulder?

this is from back in May

Noah Lowry, once one of the more promising young pitchers in the majors, had surgery on Tuesday to correct a circulatory problem that his agent claims the Giants misdiagnosed 14 months ago.

General manager Brian Sabean did not immediately return a call to FanHouse, but the Giants issued a statement denying any wrongdoing or negligence.

The surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, a condition that afflicted Kenny Rogers and Jeremy Bonderman, likely means the end of Lowry's tenure with the Giants.

In March 2008, Lowry had a mysterious bout of wildness in spring training and the Giants eventually determined he had exertional compartment syndrome. In order to relieve pressure on the nerves in his forearm, he had surgery to cut the sheath surrounding the muscles. The rehab was supposed to be short, and Lowry was expected back on the mound by late April.

Except Lowry never made it back to the mound. Agent Damon Lapa said the recent diagnosis of thoracic outlet syndrome should have been made last year. From ESPN.com:

"Not only did they perform the wrong surgery, but Noah did the wrong rehab along with it, and he's basically been spinning his wheels for the last six to eight months," Lapa said.


The Giants then issued the following rebuttal:

The Giants organization and its medical staff have always treated Noah Lowry's condition appropriately and with the utmost care. We have never performed any medically inappropriate procedures on Mr. Lowry. Per Major League Baseball's labor agreement and federal laws regarding medical privacy, the Giants are prohibited from discussing specific medical information publicly. However, we can state that Mr. Lapa's accusations against our organization are factually inaccurate, intentionally misleading and irresponsible.


Lowry, 28,is 40-31 with a 4.03 ERA in 106 big league games, including 100 starts. After he went 13-13 with a 3.78 ERA as a 24-year-old in 2006, the Giants signed him to a four-year, $9.25-million deal. He last pitched in August 2007.

The Giants hold an option for $6.25 million for 2010, but they obviously aren't going to pick that up now. The Giants would also likely decline to offer him arbitration (he'll have only five years of major league service), making him a free agent. Based on Lapa's accustations, it would seem pretty unlikely that Lowry would be interested in coming back on a minor-league deal or with an incentive-laden big league contract.



heres some "news"


SI.com's Jon Heyman believes the Mets are the "heavy favorite" to sign free agent catcher Bengie Molina this offseason.
The Giants declined an opportunity to offer Molina salary arbitration on Tuesday, which means the Mets won't have to cough up a draft pick if they ink him. Molina, 35, hit just .265/.285/.442 this past season but reached the 20-homer plateau for the first time in his career.

According to FOXSports.com, the Cubs, Phillies and Giants had interest in Rafael Betancourt before he was offered arbitration Tuesday.
Betancourt is a Type A free agent, so the clubs stand to lose a top draft pick by signing him. He rejected a healthy two-year extension worth close to $7 million in November, but his representatives may have lost a little ground in negotiating with the Rockies' decision to offer him arbitration. The 34-year-old posted a 1.78 ERA in 25 1/3 innings with Colorado in '09.

According to FOXSports.com, free agent infielder-outfielder Mark DeRosa is one of the more popular free agents.
The Giants have been "surprisingly aggressive," says one source, while the Phillies and Cardinals maintain interest. According to the report, the Yankees shouldn't be ruled out, either. DeRosa, a New Jersey-native, could play the type of super-utility role that could benefit the Bombers, even if Johnny Damon is re-signed. The report even floats Chone Figgins as a solution, but DeRosa is the more realistic and economical target as a roamer-type.
 

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Free agents Brad Penny and Juan Uribe turned down recent contract offers from the Giants, according to Joan Ryan of MLB.com.
Penny was offered a one-year deal last week while Uribe was offered one-year with an option earlier this week. "At this time I'm not sure there will be further discussion," general manager Brian Sabean said. Sabean also added that Bengie Molina was "probably" offered a multi-year deal by another team, all but guaranteeing that he will not return to San Francisco.
 

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Jon Heyman of SI.com writes that free agent catcher Ivan Rodriguez is likely to decline arbitration from the Rangers.
Heyman notes that the Royals and Giants are possible landing spots for the 38-year-old backstop. With the most recent setback to Jarrod Saltalamacchia, a return to the Rangers shouldn't be dismissed, either.


The Giants have Adrian Beltre, Nick Johnson and Dan Uggla atop their offseason shopping list, reports Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com.
Beltre would have the most impact among possible third base upgrades, however he would cost the Giants draft pick compensation. According to the report, the Giants still have "strong interest" in Uggla and negotiations with the Marlins are "ongoing." Johnson is probably the least likely option with Pablo Sandoval best-suited for first base. He would only make sense if the price was right for a one or two-year deal.
 

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I know its somewhat of recycled news, but hey, its updated and still news.

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, free agent Nick Johnson is drawing interest from the "Giants, maybe Braves and a half dozen more."
Johnson, 31, had the highest 2009 on-base percentage of any hitter on the free agent market this winter and an overall batting line of .291/.426/.405. He's also a plus defender at first base. San Francisco would like to upgrade over Ryan Garko, who hit .235/.307/.330 after joining the club in late July, and the Braves are expected to let Adam LaRoche walk via free agency.


According to ESPN.com's Buster Olney, the asking price for Adrian Beltre this offseason has been over $10 million annually.
Beltre is a superb defender, but he hit just .265/.304/.379 in 2009 and is unlikely to land the desired sum. He's drawn interest from the Giants and the Phillies, before they signed Placido Polanco. Beltre, a Type B free agent, was not offered arbitration from the Mariners this week.


Yorvit Torrealba's agent, Melvin Roman, told MLB.com's Thomas Harding that the Rockies are still interested in re-signing his client.
"There are some teams interested in Yorvit, and the Rockies are in it, so we'll see," agent Melvin Roman said. The Blue Jays and Giants are also thought to have some desire to sign the 31-year-old backstop. He hit .324/.373/.394 in 2009 and is likely seeking a lucrative long-term contract. The Rox offered him a two-year, $4.5 million a few weeks ago and he shot it down quickly. It may be best for Colorado to simply hand the reins to Chris Iannetta.
 

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Sabean: Giants don't plan on Molina or Posey as Opening Day catcher

John Shea, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, December 4, 2009
(12-04) 13:21 PST --


Bengie Molina suiting up as the Giants' Opening Day catcher in 2010 no longer seems realistic. That goes for Buster Posey, too.

Molina is heading out the door, seemingly comfortable he'll get the multiyear contract that the Giants aren't willing to offer, and Posey, one of the majors' elite prospects, is heading for more grooming at Triple-A Fresno.

The Giants' brass met several times this week in preparation of the winter meetings, which begin Monday in Indianapolis, and the feeling was Posey's not quite ready to play everyday in the big leagues, meaning the Giants will need a buffer, someone to catch regularly until Posey emerges for good.

General manager Brian Sabean said the front office had a "raging debate" over whether Posey would be the No. 1 catcher, adding, "We came to the overall conclusion it would be a tall order to ask him to do that. He just hasn't played a lot."

Molina, who hit .278 and averaged 18 homers and 85 RBIs in his three years as a Giant, and his representatives made it clear he "doesn't have an appetite for a one-year deal. So it's pretty much a moot point," said Sabean, who would have wanted Molina with a one-year deal.

Sabean offered contracts to Brad Penny (one year) and Juan Uribe (one year with an option) but received no positive feedback. "Talks have really gone nowhere," the GM said. "I don't know if we'll revisit or not. We moved on to other ideas."

As for Pablo Sandoval, who finished seventh in the MVP voting, the brass sees his 2010 home at third base, not first base. With Freddy Sanchez staying at second, that would seem to rule out any talk a trade for Dan Uggla or a free-agent third baseman such as Adrian Beltre.

It also would mean the Giants are focusing on finding a new first baseman. Nick Johnson, Mark DeRosa and Adam LaRoche are among the free-agent options.

Posey appeared in just seven Giants games in September and got 17 at-bats, hitting .118 with no RBIs. He was promoted more out of necessity - Molina was nursing a strained quadriceps - than merit and spent much of his time as a bullpen catcher.

He signed out of college late in 2008 and played just 10 games, so 2009 was his first legitimate time in the pros. But he appeared in just 35 games for Fresno before being called up Sept. 2. After the season, he played 19 games in the Arizona Fall League and hit .225 with two homers and 12 RBIs.

Eventually, the position will be Posey's. In the meantime, "We have to come up with a viable alternative. That's the juggling act, finding someone to be a bridge, if it is that, or catch as much as possible until (Posey) is ready. That's what we're sifting through."

Free-agent catcher Yorvit Torrealba has been linked to the Giants, but he'd be ruled out if only because he, like Molina, is pursuing a multiyear deal. The Giants aren't high on old-timers Ivan Rodriguez, Brad Ausmus and Jason Kendall, all past their prime.

A couple of catchers with punch: Rod Barajas hit 19 homers and set career highs in games (126) and RBIs (71), and Miguel Olivo hit 23 homers with 65 RBIs. Both hit under .250. Another free agent is Jose Molina, who's no Bengie. His career average is .235, and he played 100 games just once.

A trade is possible, too.

On that front, Sabean said he doesn't imagine dealing pitcher Jonathan Sanchez if Penny leaves. Madison Bumgarner is a rotation option. But as with Posey, the Giants prefer not to rush him.
Sabean's being pretty shrewd this offseason, I'm sure Neukom is influencing this new attitude...
 
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I can't help but sit here and think to myself, damn, we aren't resigning Uribe and Molina, WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR OFFENSE GONNA COME FROM BESIDES SANDOVAL?!
 

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Giants general manager Brian Sabean is leaning towards starting prospect catcher Buster Posey in the minors next season.
"That’s our lean now," general manager Brian Sabean said. "We haven’t crossed that bridge yet. There’s no guarantees we can get the type of person we want and we have to be resourceful with (Posey as) a Plan B. Our overall conclusion from a baseball standpoint is (that) nobody thinks he’s ready to catch 100-plus games in the big leagues." Look for this to be a very fluid situation in the coming months, as the Giants anticipate Bengie Molina leaving via free agency. Besides Posey, the only other catcher on the 40-man roster is Eli Whiteside. They'll most likely find a veteran to bridge the gap to the 22-year-old Posey.



Dodgers signed RHP Justin Miller to a minor league contract.
The deal comes with an invitation to spring training. Miller, 32, was 3-3 with a 3.18 earned-run average in 44 appearances for the Giants in 2009. He will earn a base salary of $850,000 if he cracks the Dodgers' roster.
 
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Just dump the money for Matt Holliday wtf man.. he did it with Zito why not with Holliday?

at least Holliday would be playing everyday instead of every damn week.

I wanna get a billboard that says FIRE SABEAN AND BOCHY PLEASE! - GIANTS FANS.

who's with me?