Value is what a person puts on it, not someone else.
The value of your music is what you put on it. How many times have I said that in this thread? Here is an example in case you missed it:
His music is only as valuable as he makes it, and it is plain to see that the value is extrinsic in nature.
Now I can go make a beat on one of my keyboards, and say it is worth $2.9 billion dollars and 2 pennies. Is it really worth that? It is worth that ONLY if someone else is willing to pay for it. Again, music has no true value other than what you put on it and the only thing you said is it offers you enjoyment. Does your music collection benefit society? Does your music collection have an impact on world affairs?
No, I didn't. What I did was ask you to stop making blanket statements and generalizations.
And? Have you takled to MANY? How much is many?
Why would I need to talk to
ANYONE when you can see it in their actions, read their rhetoric and listen to their ideologies? Have you talked to all the people who made religions? No, yet you say religion was partly put here to, "ease the "fear" of death." Have you talked to any soldiers? No, yet you make the extremely absurd and downright comical claim that there would be a lot less soldiers if there was no afterlife. Are we talking american soldiers? Chinese ones? Russian ones? We'll never know because you rely on generalizations to give your position some type of merit.
Many is whatever number of significance you want it to be.
Then dont make generalizations. How are you going to sit up here and tell me to stop when you did the same damn thing?
I'm not making generalizations. How am I making generalizations? You asked for a religion, I gave it, I didn't see an adequate response from you. You made statements in regards to soldiers and religion and I mentioned theocratic governments, how western societies utilize patriotism more than religion, but how some people (suicide bombers) may be influenced by religion.
Again, how am I making generalizations, when ANY sane person here who has knowledge of the american government or any government in the west can comprehend what I'm saying?
To me, this furthers the "religion = control" argument. But thats a whole other thread in itself.
ANYTHING can be used to control. Sex, liquor, knowledge of someones past, debts etc. Yes, there are times when religion has controlled people. There are also times where religion has protected people. So again, anything can be used for control.
It may not be prominant in Judaism, but there is some concept of reward/punishment, not necassarily a physical hell or heaven.
Why did you feel the need to say this when I already said Judaism has a limited concept of these things? Also, they do have a physical hell and heaven, but the hell in Judaism is not eternal and is for 'purification' and not so much as punishment.
But you sat up here and contested it like it was a stupid comment.
Your words not mine.
This is a perfect example of you just being a prick AS USUAL.
No, this is another perfect example of how you become agitated when you are required to think and give an account to the words you say. This is like the third or forth time you've hurled some insult my way, when I'm sitting here attacking your views and statements and not you personally.
"Im right youre wrong because my subjective look on things overrides your subjective view on things."
No, not at all. Remember, all I did was answer the question (s) presented in the thread. You chose to address me specifically and here we are. I'm not saying you are right about your belief about the afterlife. I'm not saying you are wrong about it. What I am saying is you are making general statements with no evidence to support your claim, that things that cannot possibly benefit you or society in a siginificant way give you pleasure, and that being emotionally attached to your beliefs forces you to attack me for no reason.
Im glad we see eye to eye. But if this is indeed the case, why are you up in here throwing your opinion around like its fact?
We don't see eye to eye, and I'm not throwing my opinion around as fact. You do you and I'll do me. I don't give a fuck what you do, but I'm going to post in this thread and state my beliefs for as long as I feel like it, and the only way I won't is if you delete this thread. Besides that, there is
NOTHING you or anyone
CAN or
WILL do to stop it. With that being said, stop being emotionally attached to your beliefs and you'll learn a bit more in life. See, I already understand your position and know your stance here, but do you know mine? If you want to have a prolific conversation where both parties walk away with a mutual understanding you need to know the others position. However, you've jumped the gun several times typing such madness as "emo shit" when nothing I am saying is remotely emo.
Just as soon as you drop the "my opinions are facts" shit, ill do what i can.
You're the one with the my opinions are fact shit. Again, you made general statements about religions with afterlife, and when you were shown that some religions don't even have one, paint a dim picture of it, or have a limited perspective you fail to provide
any evidence to validate your claims. When you imply less people will join the millitary if there were no belief in the afterlife, you fail to address the fact that countries in the west play on patriotism moreso than religion and that proof of this can also be found in the types of governments found in the west. Again, you're the one passing opinion off as fact, I'm passing fact off as fact.
But it really makes no difference, because conversing, debating, and argueing with you is futile and it always ends up in some cirlce of meaningless crap. So you can type all you want to me, im not going to reply to it or even read it.
You don't have to reply or read it. You aren't the only person here partaking in this thread. What you're doing is putting up a brick wall and getting on the defensive because someone doesn't agree with you. You don't have to agree with me, I prefer you don't, but when I am asked to clarify or elaborate I usually do so. Like I said before, if you want to have a civil conversation, cease with the generalizations and blanket statements. I won't leave this thread looking like the dunce, but if I di, it would simply because I wasted all of 15 minutes typing a response.
You keep it movin. I'm right here.
