The fear of death

[JoMoDo]

Has anyone with Children responded to this question in this thread?

Death is always with us, right over our shoulder.

I fear the death of my loved ones. I fear the pain my death would cause my loved one's. I fear a dieing a slow, excruciating painful, death in a state of fright &/or torture, but do not fear my own actual death.

I don't fear my own death b/c I know it is beyond my control. However, in the meantime I hope to 'do right' and enjoy the blessings of life while recognizing the evil's around me and from within and coping with how to combat them.

I think if we are truly at peace & harmony with ourselves, there is nothing to fear in our own Death.

 

[2-0-NINE]

If this is a question to the General public and not exclusive to those who believe in an after life, then I'll be glad to respond. But if it is exclusive to those who don't believe in an after life then my response wouldn't matter.

Obviously, not compromising with what I believe, We all know in Life that everyone is going to die, and from my religious beliefs, I believe there are some that will never taste death.

Personally for me the fact that I'm going to die will make me more of a better person. For the Very fact I know I have a limited amount of time to do the best I can for Others, and most importantly for Jesus Christ(Note I said if this was exclusive to non-afterlife believers my post won't matter). It'll also make me appreciate life more and quite honestly sometimes when you get to the end of the road, you tell yourself I hope I did the best I can. And in knowing that you are gonna die, it'll push the best outta you, unless your a Lazy sack of Manure who could care less about yourself or the benefits of others.

For me, Death will make me stronger spiritually, maybe not mentally, but for sure spiritually. If I knew when I was going to die, I'm gonna use all the strength I can muster to do what's best for everyone around me and in the End when the Lights grow dim, I can say, Lord I did my best take me home.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

where the fuck you been??

 

[2-0-NINE]

Real World, forgot about the site for a while

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I don't have an "emo" outlook and there is no negativity here. What you listed are temporal things with little to no true value.

To you, myabe. I do not see it that way. I like listening to music, have for nearly 20 years of my life. If anything, my value of music has only risen over the years.

So why care about it? Why even have a fear of death if you already believe there is nothing?

Just becuase i dont believe in an afterlife, doesnt mean i cant question what NOT existing is like. IN all honesty, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS. SO is it even worth debating/argueing over what YOU or I think? Its all subjective.

Yes I believe in an afterlife, and I believe it is dictated by what may or may not happen here.

OK.

Taoism is one example. I can list many more if you like. No one is being brash, stop making hasty generalizations and be specific. This is all you need to do to have a prolific discussion and not have your words and views taken out of context.

I didnt think you would take out of context. So again, no need to be brash.

Why does it make perfect sense to you? Because you typed it?

No, becuase it is a simple concept.

Religion and the thought of a good afterlife is not the driving force for many soldiers, nor is it one that western civilization utilizes the most.

Maybe it is and maybe it isnt. Maybe its a contributing force behind many things. I mean, have you asked every person who lives in a western civilization if the thought of an afterlife helps in any aspect of their life? If not, than how can you be so certain?

Yes, in certain instances it may be a deciding factor (a suicide bomber for example), but you can easily get a person to hand over their life and do your bidding by playing on their P-A-T-R-I-O-T-I-S-M.

Yes that is a factor. However, I STILL FEEL that people having faith in an afterlife helps ease the worry of death. Thats MY OPINION, and i dont really care if you agree with it or not. It is what it is.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

If this is a question to the General public and not exclusive to those who believe in an after life, then I'll be glad to respond. But if it is exclusive to those who don't believe in an after life then my response wouldn't matter.

Your opinion can never be taken away here.

 

[HERESY]

To you, myabe. I do not see it that way. I like listening to music, have for nearly 20 years of my life. If anything, my value of music has only risen over the years.

What you listed are temporal things with little to no true value. What value does your music have? Is it going to bring about the cure for aids? Stop global warming? End famines? Your music is simply something you enjoy.

Just becuase i dont believe in an afterlife, doesnt mean i cant question what NOT existing is like. IN all honesty, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS. SO is it even worth debating/argueing over what YOU or I think? Its all subjective.

I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't.

I didnt think you would take out of context. So again, no need to be brash.

No, I didn't take anything out of context. You're the one over here making blanket statements.

Maybe it is and maybe it isnt. Maybe its a contributing force behind many things. I mean, have you asked every person who lives in a western civilization if the thought of an afterlife helps in any aspect of their life? If not, than how can you be so certain?

R-E-A-D the bold text:

Religion and the thought of a good afterlife is not the driving force for many soldiers

With that being said, I don't need to ask every person who lives in a western civilization about anything. Moreover, proof is in the pudding when you read and hear the verbage from the leaders of such societies. Take america for example. We have all this in God we trust bullshit, and God talking to Bush, but these people are playing on PATRIOTISM to get the job done. They aren't giving niggas crosses when they sign up, nor are they telling them to do it for Jesus. Moreover, we don't live in a theocratic state, and since most countries in the west don't have this type of government, it is safe to assume that religion or thought of the afterlife is not the driving force behind someones reason for joining a branch of the millitary.

No, becuase it is a simple concept.

It isn't a simple concept. It is a concept that completely falls apart when you consider religions that have no concept of heaven/hell or religions, religions that have a dim outlook of the afterlife and religions that have a limited view of the afterlife (Judaism for example.)

Yes that is a factor. However, I STILL FEEL that people having faith in an afterlife helps ease the worry of death. Thats MY OPINION, and i dont really care if you agree with it or not. It is what it is.

No one said it doesn't ease the worry of death, and I couldn't care less about your opinion or being in agreement or disagreement with you.

In closing, stop with the generalizations.

 

[NovaFire]

That's pretty much where I am right now and have been for some time. What do you or I really have in this country? Opportunity to do what exactly? Make money? Fuck women? Smoke and drink? Buy hella shit? Get fired from jobs, Duck and dodge from the police? Catch a disease from some janky bitch? Die from an overdose? Stand in a foodline?
.

That's superficial shit. What really matters are the people who are around us. People is what makes this ride worth taking.

 

[NovaFire]

I don't have an "emo" outlook and there is no negativity here. What you listed are temporal things with little to no true value..

Value is what a person attaches to anything. If we said fuck money than it wouldnt have value. Obviously you value things that help out humanity, but if you look closely, without music the world would be plain as hell.
Lastly Everything is temporal, human life is temporal, nothing last forever.

You can say you are looking at things realisticly, and to some extent you are, but letting the circumstances around you kill the enjoyment in life IS negativity.

 

[HERESY]

That's superficial shit. What really matters are the people who are around us. People is what makes this ride worth taking.

It is superficial, however it is the game we are forced to play and that was my point.

Value is what a person attaches to anything. If we said fuck money than it wouldnt have value. Obviously you value things that help out humanity, but if you look closely, without music the world would be plain as hell.

Without music there would most likely be some other form of expression to take its place. However, I don't think you get the point of my position. His music is only as valuable as he makes it, and it is plain to see that the value is extrinsic in nature. His music serves no other purpose but to provide gratification for him to enjoy.

Lastly Everything is temporal, human life is temporal, nothing last forever.

So why place emphasis on these things?

You can say you are looking at things realisticly, and to some extent you are, but letting the circumstances around you kill the enjoyment in life IS negativity.

Who is letting circumstances around them kill enjoyment in this life? I simply don't place much emphasis on what you call "enjoyment", and I do this for several reasons.

 

[phil]

ive been thinkin bout this alot lately myself and ive come to the same conclusion as a few of you. fuck death im making the best of life because i imagine its gonna be like the eternity that existed before me. endless. i wont even know its happening just like the before i was "born". im living it up as much as possible.

 

[NovaFire]

Without music there would most likely be some other form of expression to take its place. However, I don't think you get the point of my position. His music is only as valuable as he makes it, and it is plain to see that the value is extrinsic in nature. His music serves no other purpose but to provide gratification for him to enjoy.

Music is energizing, you can listen to a good song and feed of its energy, that right there is valuable. so the value is there, wether you choose to listen to it, is another story.

So why place emphasis on these things?

why devalue them? if they bring enjoyment then why not charish it. Not superficial enjoyment, but true lasting enjoyment. Without friends, music, hobbies, etc. life would not be life. why not do these things for the sake of doing it. if i see life as nothing but some job i have to go through, then yes life would not be something i would value much. why even work then, i cant take my work with me when i die. Why try to make human life longer, working and looking for cures, just so that people can work longer?? work for the sake of work?? if i have to go through hell, then hell i might as well do the things that make me forget im in hell.

Who is letting circumstances around them kill enjoyment in this life? I simply don't place much emphasis on what you call "enjoyment", and I do this for several reasons.

than what do you value?? and why is what you value any more important than what others value. and if you value nothing, why live an empty life?

 

[HERESY]

Music is energizing, you can listen to a good song and feed of its energy, that right there is valuable. so the value is there, wether you choose to listen to it, is another story.

Again, I don't think you get the point of my position. His music is only as valuable as he makes it, and it is plain to see that the value is extrinsic in nature. Do you understand I am not saying it doesn't have value?

why devalue them? if they bring enjoyment then why not charish it.

What is there to cherish about air moving in a certain direction or pattern? Whatever you place on it. No one is "devaluing" anything, people simply aren't placing much importance on the things listed. If they bring enjoyment so what? You do know what extrinsic means right?

Without friends, music, hobbies, etc. life would not be life. why not do these things for the sake of doing it. if i see life as nothing but some job i have to go through, then yes life would not be something i would value much. why even work then, i cant take my work with me when i die. Why try to make human life longer, working and looking for cures, just so that people can work longer?? work for the sake of work?? if i have to go through hell, then hell i might as well do the things that make me forget im in hell.

You obviously don't comprehend anything I'm typing right now. Please, google Dokkodo, read it several times and ponder what I'm saying after you've done so.

than what do you value?? and why is what you value any more important than what others value. and if you value nothing, why live an empty life?

Refer to the instructions above.

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

I fear not the inevitable.

I have a fear of taking my gift of life for granted.

 

[NovaFire]

Again, I don't think you get the point of my position. His music is only as valuable as he makes it, and it is plain to see that the value is extrinsic in nature. Do you understand I am not saying it doesn't have value?
Refer to the instructions above.

i understand what your saying. nothing of value from within.
what i mean is that, music comes from something intristic in us. the enjoyment one finds in utilizing that part of ourselves is what is enjoyable, since in this life, we are always being pushed away from it.

"use no way as a way"-unknown.

 

[rekomstop]

for instance, you say that because you can anticipate what your husband is going say, that you have known him in other lifetimes. I would ask this, do you know what hes going to say because you've met him before in another lifetime, or because you an extraordinary anticipator who is finely receptive?
how do you come to the conclusion that you have done what you say you did?

oh i didn't mean to connect the fact that i had psychicly felt what he was thinking to my thought that i have met him or been w/ him in a past life,
i mean, at the time that happened it really freaked me out, because of course its normal for best friends or sisters(which i both have done this with) to finish eachother sentenes, etc, just because you KNOW and feel w/ that person so well. but he was basically a stranger still to me(we weren't even dating at this point), i only knew how he made me feel, etc.

this was the first time i could tell it was a pure psychic moment, and its happened many more times the more i was aware of it, and GAVE it value for myself.

REKOM how you come up with these thoughts of past life ect? just curious to see where your comen from?

hmm, actually, i never really thought about past life or cared much, nor do i still. its just another association and explanation that i have discussed (usually jokingly) with friends about, for certain behaviors or "quirks" i have.

just like some that believe in the church of science(lol all the followers don't use this association, but hey) explains that behavior can only be dictated by your present-life situation and genes; i believe that behavior or understanding can come from an infinite amount of things, therefore making it more of an awareness than any one 'fact' or "basis".

i also don't believe in the illusion of time, of past, present and future.

but i have continuously chosen to live in 'this' society, the western world of science for many reasons, and as well, to continue to post on siccness. so for that fact, i must respect the observation of time and its importance for everyone.

 

[daluvlymel]

this is getting interesting..

 

[EDJ]

That's pretty much where I am right now and have been for some time. What do you or I really have in this country? Opportunity to do what exactly? Make money? Fuck women? Smoke and drink? Buy hella shit? Get fired from jobs, Duck and dodge from the police? Catch a disease from some janky bitch? Die from an overdose? Stand in a foodline?

LIVE LIFE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

There is nothing here for any of us, and if you're a person of color in this country you really have nothing coming. Sorry, but these are the facts and rules of the game, that we are forced to play by. Now I'm not saying I have a death wish, but what I am saying is my life is no more valuable then the little girl who caught a stray bullet, the mother who died giving birth, the son fighting in a war or the father who was killed by a drunk driver.

ASK ME IF N-E OF THOSE WERE IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION WITH ME AND I WOULD CHOOSE TO LIVE INSTEAD OF THEM. SORRY, BUT I'M SELFISH. APATHY IS A MUTHA-FUKA.

Why treasure it? I shouldn't, what I should do is do what I'm supposed to do--get my job done and make my exit.

SO WHAT IS YOUR JOB EXACTLY?



AND TO SERIOUSLY "THUg"

i believe that the reason for the torrment is simply because those kinds of people were/are attached to everything that is non-absolute.

how could you feel loss if you exist in and with the absolute? with what has been here, and what will always be?

HERE YOU gO WITH THAT HINDU SHIT. I'M TALKIN' BOUT THE HERE AND NOW. IF SOMEBODY CUTS YOU, YOU gONNA BLEED. IF SOMEBODY IS gONNA HINDER YOU, YOU gONNA SUFFER. WHETHA IT'S MENTAL OR PHYSICAL, IT'S STILL A REALITY YOU gO THRU.

 

[rekomstop]

he's not hindu lol.

your not realizing the torment you create for yourself just through the way you think.

wait a couple lives, you'll then have this intrinsic feeling that these ideas have been explained to you before, and you'll feel connected with them and be just like those who want to be more less connected with the non-absolute(pain, anger, tormentation, sadness, etc.) =) its a great life, welcome to it, hun.

 

[MRTHECOSE]

this is pretty much how i feel:


I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. - Mark Twain