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What about placing a value on aids regardless, because whether you have it or not in some way or another it effects you and the life you live.
aids is not the point, merely the battleground. The point is weather the value of the cure is subjective or not. Im not saying the cure for aids is not valuable, hell i would be glad if someone found it. but hes saying that somehow, because it's of high importance, that somehow it has intristic worth.

let me put it to you like this, on a scale from 0 to 100, how important would you say it is? now, if you and say a friend have a difference of opinion on the importance, is that not subjective? its definitely on the high importance list, but if only one person in the world had aids, how valuable would it be then?

subjective- taking place within the mind and modified by individual BIAS; "a subjective judgment"
 
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Any argument that curing AIDS has any more "value" than eating ice cream, is nothing more than your subjective interpretation of what value is.

Unless you have some Divine Master Value List hidden under your bed, value CANNOT be anything but subjective.

Where is anyone coming up with this arbitrary value system if not from their own perspectives?

You are wrong if you don't think the value of curing AIDS is subjective.

Does curing AIDS have value to someone with AIDS = yes
Does curing AIDS have value to someone without AIDS = maybe
Does curing AIDS have value to Ants = no
Does curing AIDS have value to another life form in another galaxy = no

That is subjective value.

If I decide that eating ice cream has more value that curing AIDS, then it does for me.

Furthermore, like I mentioned earlier, why does the preservation of our species even necessarily deserve a positive value? We are extremely destructive, and from the perspective of our planet and the majority of the other species we share it with, the extinction of the human race would be a positive thing.
 

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Any argument that curing AIDS has any more "value" than eating ice cream, is nothing more than your subjective interpretation of what value is.
Wrong. A basic psychology course, a business course, or knowledge of intrinsic and extrinsic motivations and values confirms this. Across the world, spanning many races, creeds, religions and beliefs, there are many crimes that are naturally wrong no matter how you look at it. Murder and rape are such examples. However, running a red light might not mean much in a country that only has two cars. Apply what I'm saying about aids/hiv and what you're saying about ice cream to the example I just gave you about crime. Now think about this, would most reasonable people believe curing aids has more benefit to society than eating ice cream?

CAN WE SURVIVE WITHOUT MUSIC OR EATING ICE CREAM?

CAN WE SURVIVE IF AIDS WERE TO EVER GET OUT OF CONTROL?

Unless you have some Divine Master Value List hidden under your bed, value CANNOT be anything but subjective.
Wrong. A basic psychology course, a business course, or knowledge of intrinsic and extrinsic motivations and values confirms this.

Where is anyone coming up with this arbitrary value system if not from their own perspectives?

You are wrong if you don't think the value of curing AIDS is subjective.
It isn't my own perspective as my personal feelings are outweighed by what most reasonable people would think about the cure of aids. Saying the cure for aids/hiv has more value than you eating ice cream or listening to music is not as subjective as you've lead yourself to believe. My personal take on such a cure does not detract from the benefits it offers to society. My personal choice to not eat ice cream, or not listen to music, is my personal preference. Who is harmed or potentially harmed by me not eating ice cream or listening to music? Who is harmed or potentially harmed by aids not being cured?

Does curing AIDS have value to someone with AIDS = yes
Does curing AIDS have value to someone without AIDS = maybe
Does curing AIDS have value to Ants = no
Does curing AIDS have value to another life form in another galaxy = no
Does curing AIDS have value to someone with AIDS = Yes

Does curing AIDS have value to someone without AIDS = Yes. It means they have less disease to worry about, their family members may be cured, they can probably get health insurance, etc. The question is, do they acknowledge how the cure may directly or indirectly impact them?

Does curing AIDS have value to Ants = no
That right there is foolish because we are talking about helping HUMANITY. Since ants lack the ability to reason as we do, including them in your position is nothing more than a fallacy.

Does curing AIDS have value to another life form in another galaxy = no
We aren't talking about another life form in another galaxy because we don't know A.) if other life forms exist and B.) if they are impacted by aids.

If I decide that eating ice cream has more value that curing AIDS, then it does for me.
Intrinsic V.S. extrinsic values and motivations. Take the time to read up on them, and humanism, because we will continue to go back and forth without gaining any ground until you do so.

Furthermore, like I mentioned earlier, why does the preservation of our species even necessarily deserve a positive value?
Because the deserving punishment of the few should not be distributed to the many.

We are extremely destructive, and from the perspective of our planet and the majority of the other species we share it with, the extinction of the human race would be a positive thing.
We are not extrememly destructive. A certain percentage of the population is destructive, and you can most likely attribute this to technology and expansion. BTW, when did you become the spokesmen for the planet and the majority of other species? Unless you are the 2008 version of Noah, or went to Dr. Doolittles school of Animal Communications, you have a very limited point that can only have weight if one looks at extinction, global warming etc. However, animals themselves can cause extinction, so don't make it seem as if everything would be cheeky for the animals if we weren't here.
 
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Any argument that curing AIDS has any more "value" than eating ice cream, is nothing more than your subjective interpretation of what value is.

Unless you have some Divine Master Value List hidden under your bed, value CANNOT be anything but subjective.

Where is anyone coming up with this arbitrary value system if not from their own perspectives?

You are wrong if you don't think the value of curing AIDS is subjective.

Does curing AIDS have value to someone with AIDS = yes
Does curing AIDS have value to someone without AIDS = maybe
Does curing AIDS have value to Ants = no
Does curing AIDS have value to another life form in another galaxy = no

That is subjective value.

If I decide that eating ice cream has more value that curing AIDS, then it does for me.

Furthermore, like I mentioned earlier, why does the preservation of our species even necessarily deserve a positive value? We are extremely destructive, and from the perspective of our planet and the majority of the other species we share it with, the extinction of the human race would be a positive thing.
Exactly.

Im starting to feel like life in general is just one big pile of subjectivism.

*shrugs*
 

EDJ

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yes but it uses up more of my brain power trying to catch the lowercase G, the custom slangified ebonics + the lil touch of EDJ and his depression makes it really not worth it

BY YOUR STATEMENT, I'LL CONCLUDE THAT YOU'RE A SQUARE BEAR THAT DON'T DESERVE TO LISTEN TO PREDOMINANT HOOD MUSIC(MUCH LESS BE ON THIS SITE), DON'T UNDA-STAND N-E-THANg THAT ORIgINATES FROM BLAK AND URBAN CULTURE, AND THAT YOUR SHELTERED LIFE IN WHEREVA HOLE IN WHATEVA NEK OF THE WOODS YOU FROM HAS CAUSED YOU TO HAVE THE SARCASTIC ATTITUDE THAT IS PREVALENT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
 
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BY YOUR STATEMENT, I'LL CONCLUDE THAT YOU'RE A SQUARE BEAR THAT DON'T DESERVE TO LISTEN TO PREDOMINANT HOOD MUSIC(MUCH LESS BE ON THIS SITE), DON'T UNDA-STAND N-E-THANg THAT ORIgINATES FROM BLAK AND URBAN CULTURE, AND THAT YOUR SHELTERED LIFE IN WHEREVA HOLE IN WHATEVA NEK OF THE WOODS YOU FROM HAS CAUSED YOU TO HAVE THE SARCASTIC ATTITUDE THAT IS PREVALENT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
What part of black and urban culture to you speak of? Gang Bangin? Sorry, the irish and italians are one up on African Americans in American gang culture by about 75 years.
 

EDJ

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^TO I SPEAK OF? I gUESS NOW YOU MAKIN' MY HEAD HURT LIKE I MADE SERIOUS SQUAREBOY HEAD HURT. LOL JUST FUCCIN' WITH YOU. BUT I WASN'T NECESSARILY SPEAKIN' ON gANg-BANgIN'. I WAS SPEAKIN' ON PREDOMINANT BLAK CULTURE AND SUBCULTURE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU TRYIN' TO DISCREDIT SOMETHIN' AND PAINT A PICTURE WITH YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.
 
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Exactly.

Im starting to feel like life in general is just one big pile of subjectivism.

*shrugs*
hey, welcome to anthropology!


its called ethnocentricity in anthro tho.
i found it quite refreshing, but then i concluded that i have my own spiritual side and goal.

=D

and edj, you crack me up w/ your hypothesis of seriouslythug haha.
 
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BY YOUR STATEMENT, I'LL CONCLUDE THAT YOU'RE A SQUARE BEAR THAT DON'T DESERVE TO LISTEN TO PREDOMINANT HOOD MUSIC(MUCH LESS BE ON THIS SITE), DON'T UNDA-STAND N-E-THANg THAT ORIgINATES FROM BLAK AND URBAN CULTURE, AND THAT YOUR SHELTERED LIFE IN WHEREVA HOLE IN WHATEVA NEK OF THE WOODS YOU FROM HAS CAUSED YOU TO HAVE THE SARCASTIC ATTITUDE THAT IS PREVALENT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
and by your statement, ill conclude that you have always been that skinny dork kid with the thick glasses who willingly got bossed around by his class-mates, and now are moreso unleashing that "kid-spirit" EDJ that you have never let go of by sayin "u shouldnt even be on this site!" like this was the playground you got denied from playing in because you came off as a homo to the rest of the kids.

so now you strive hard to over-act this hostile intellectual role because that is the only way you sustain your ego, and it isnt working.
 
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^TO I SPEAK OF? I gUESS NOW YOU MAKIN' MY HEAD HURT LIKE I MADE SERIOUS SQUAREBOY HEAD HURT. LOL JUST FUCCIN' WITH YOU. BUT I WASN'T NECESSARILY SPEAKIN' ON gANg-BANgIN'. I WAS SPEAKIN' ON PREDOMINANT BLAK CULTURE AND SUBCULTURE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU TRYIN' TO DISCREDIT SOMETHIN' AND PAINT A PICTURE WITH YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.
when half of your reply is focused on dude sayin "to" instead of "do" then you know that you are grasping at straws.
 

EDJ

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and by your statement, ill conclude that you have always been that skinny dork kid with the thick glasses who willingly got bossed around by his class-mates, and now are moreso unleashing that "kid-spirit" EDJ that you have never let go of by sayin "u shouldnt even be on this site!" like this was the playground you got denied from playing in because you came off as a homo to the rest of the kids.

so now you strive hard to over-act this hostile intellectual role because that is the only way you sustain your ego, and it isnt working.
51ST OF ALL LOAK,
AIN'T NOBODY ACTIN' DOWN THIS WAY. YOU TRYIN' TOO HARD TO gUESS AND MISSIN' MY WHOLE POINT SIR-PSYCHOLOgIST-A-LOT. YES I HAVE PRIDE, IN WHATEVA THE FUK I DO(INCLUDIN' TYPIN' THESE WORDS AND REBUTTALS). BUT IT AIN'T THAT EgO BULLSHIT TEACHINgS OF LIL BOY BLUE WITH MAKE UP ON THAT YOU STRESS WITH YOUR ABSOLUTE gARBAgE LOgIC. WHY I SAY THAT "YOU SHOULDN'T BELONg ON THIS SITE OR INDULgE IN PREDOMINANT URBAN SUBCULTURE IS MORE OF A CULTURAL THANg. CAUSE YOU INSULTIN' THE VERY SAME LANgUAgE USED IN THIS SUBCULTURE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO EVEN TRY TO PARTAKE IN SUCH. THAT'S WHY.
BUT I'M A REAL MUTHA-FUKA THAT BRANgS IT LIKE HE SANgS IT. I AIN'T gOT SHIT TO PROVE. I BET YOU YOU WON'T SEE ME IN REAL LIFE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.


when half of your reply is focused on dude sayin "to" instead of "do" then you know that you are grasping at straws.
I SAID ONE SHORT SENTENCE AND WAS FUCCIN' WITH HIM. NOW I CAN'T EVEN CHOP IT UP WITH OLD POSTERS CAUSE HERE YOU ARE TRYIN' TO HOg ATTENTION. CALM DOWN KRISHNA CUZZ. MATTER OF FACT, STIK TO THE SUBJECT.
 
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51ST OF ALL LOAK,
AIN'T NOBODY ACTIN' DOWN THIS WAY. YOU TRYIN' TOO HARD TO gUESS AND MISSIN' MY WHOLE POINT SIR-PSYCHOLOgIST-A-LOT. YES I HAVE PRIDE, IN WHATEVA THE FUK I DO(INCLUDIN' TYPIN' THESE WORDS AND REBUTTALS). BUT IT AIN'T THAT EgO BULLSHIT TEACHINgS OF LIL BOY BLUE WITH MAKE UP ON THAT YOU STRESS WITH YOUR ABSOLUTE gARBAgE LOgIC. WHY I SAY THAT "YOU SHOULDN'T BELONg ON THIS SITE OR INDULgE IN PREDOMINANT URBAN SUBCULTURE IS MORE OF A CULTURAL THANg. CAUSE YOU INSULTIN' THE VERY SAME LANgUAgE USED IN THIS SUBCULTURE AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO EVEN TRY TO PARTAKE IN SUCH. THAT'S WHY.
BUT I'M A REAL MUTHA-FUKA THAT BRANgS IT LIKE HE SANgS IT. I AIN'T gOT SHIT TO PROVE. I BET YOU YOU WON'T SEE ME IN REAL LIFE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.




I SAID ONE SHORT SENTENCE AND WAS FUCCIN' WITH HIM. NOW I CAN'T EVEN CHOP IT UP WITH OLD POSTERS CAUSE HERE YOU ARE TRYIN' TO HOg ATTENTION. CALM DOWN KRISHNA CUZZ. MATTER OF FACT, STIK TO THE SUBJECT.
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