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miggidy · Feb 18, 2004

EDJ said:

Like you said, research. That's how you find the real from the fake.
I don't know of any Christian denomination who follows the scripture as true Christians should....

EDJ said:

Yes? But that doesn't change anything....

Moving on, I am really against the idea of havin different denominations/spin-offs from Christianity. These muthafuckas.... If they only knew the damage they have caused for splittin up instead of settling their differences and sticking together.
It's much easier to split up then it is to stick together. Just like it's easier to run away from a problem instead of facing it.
Idiots....

EDJ said:

I just pointed out the most significant one above, regarding eternal punishment.
We'll concentrate on this one for the time being....

EDJ said:

Many things. We'll start with the fact that every "Christian" must love his enemies and pray for them. People now days don't wanna deal with that, they rather duke it out.

The disciples put a strong emphases on unity. Paul and Peter split for a while but then settled their differences and reunited. It was much easier for Martin Luther to split from the church instead of tryin to settle their differences.

And then there's selfishness.... Not just the disciples but Jesus himself put a lot of emphases on being unselfish. Unselfishness was part of his message. The whole "turn the other cheek" deal is about being unselfish. There's plenty of examples of this through out the gospels.
After failing because of selfishness, the disciples succeeded after Jesus's resurrection. They were then humble....

9 out of 10 so-called Christians today are selfish pigs and don't even realize it.... If Christians are this bad, it's no wonder why the rest of the world is wicked....

EDJ said:

Do you remember saying this?
"BE A PUPPET AND FOLLOW THE MASSES. YOU HEARD OF THE TWO PATHS IN THE BOOK OF MATHEW? WHAT DOES IT SAY? WHO'S IN THE BROAD AND WHO'S IN THE NARROW?"

You were implyin that just because I believe in eternal damnation that I am taking the broad path just like the rest of masses....

EDJ said:

Sorry, I'm a straight forward and honest person LOL!

EDJ said:

Down boy down! Don't take offense LOL!

EDJ said:

Game alone can take you along way. That and good work ethic. You can have all the skills in the world but it won't get you anywhere if you're a lazy ass.

EDJ said:

Aha! Now you're talkin. So you know a little electrical eh?
Good enough, the rest of the shit is easy. Well except for HVAC (air conditioning) can be a little tougher, but nothin you can't handle.

The lowest you can probably start at is $12.50 hr.
But you can easily work your way up to $18 - $20 hr.
And after a couple of years, you can be making $25 + per hr....

EDJ said:

Further research to back up my view of things.
And research to debunk the idea that most Christians hold regarding Jesus.

EDJ said:

When you were younger, didn't you always questioned how come God doesn't just come down and live life as a human so that he can really feel what is like to live like us? To know how fucked up it is to live the way we do in such a fucked up Earth. I'm sure you've heard people askin this question before.
Well God did do such a thing. He did come down in human form, to live as we live and show us that we can live life perfectly like he asks. Just as long as we are willing.
Like I said earlier, Jesus is the Father in the flesh.
That is why he said he was the alpha and the omega,
He said that who ever knows Him, knows the Father.
That's the reason why he would often say that he is God, and etc....

I really don't think Christians even understand Jesus's nature.
Just ask one who he thinks Jesus was, what he was and so on. You will get different answers from everyone. The only common answer is that he is our Savior.
Which is true, but I just don't understand how they don't really know Him....

Anyways, knowin that Jesus is the incarnation of the Father;
He was made in the flesh, with his own conscious. Jesus is his own entity apart from God. God isn't just gonna say, "Well done Jesus, your time is up!". He was created with an everlasting perfect body, there for he now shares the thrwon with God in Heaven....

EDJ said:

I've been sayin that for a while now. Thing is, we were too concentrated on our differences.
Damn I'm a stupid ass, an oxymoron if you will.
Time and time again the biggest message I've been spittin in here is that we all need to focus on our similarities while respecting our differences (for the sake of unity). The differences are little and the similarities are huge. Kinda like Bloods and Crips killin each other ya know. The small difference is the color they wear and the huge similarity is the color of their skin.
This ties in to what I've always preached, the importance of unity....

UGH!
I guess my subconscious spoke to me through these message boards.
I set myself up for this now I must learn from it....

EDJ · Feb 19, 2004

MIggIDY,

YOU STRESSED, "I think all I've done is pissed a lot of people off by just being honest. I'm gonna put some shit on my sig sayin that the views expressed in my threads do not represent the views of our group. Some shit like that LOL"

KEEP IT REAL, DON'T FAKE THE FUNK. IF YOU ALL RELIgIOUS, AND YOU PART OF THAT gROUP, THEN YOUR OPINIONS ARE PART OF THAT. DON'T BE CHRISTIAN AND BE IN A gROUP THAT SPEAKS OF EVIL SHIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Have you seen any Tongans put the beat down on their kids?
Them are some fuckin savages man. No one gets it worse than Tongans."

NO, BUT I WOULD PUT THE BEAT DOWN ON SOME TONgAN PUSSY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "So be it.
But that won't stop me from using my imagination."

IT SHOULD STOP YOU FROM IDOLIZIN' ENgRAVEN IMAgES OR MAKIN' YOUR OWN. THAT SHIT IS FORBIDDEN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The same can be said for hell."

NO IT CAN'T, CAUSE IT'S NOT JUSTICE, IT'S NOT JUST OR FAIR.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If that were the case you'd be able to see the logic in it."

SO YOU SAY. AND THAT'S WHY YOUR BIAS, CAUSE YOU FIgURE I SHOULD SEE THE LOgIC IN IT, WHEN IN FACT I LOOK AT IT DEEPER THAN THAT AND KNOW IT'S ILLOgICAL.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Like I said above, I can see the logic."

YOU ARE FOOLED TO LOOK AT IT AS LOgICAL CAUSE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SO SINCE YOU FEEL YOU SEE THE LOgIC IN A LIE, YOU FEEL THAT YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Experience from working here for a few years gave me a good idea of what the copier's power plug configeration was gonna be.
Otherwise, I would've done what you suggested.
That's the thing with these book smart muthafuckas man. They go to school and get their degrees and still come out dumber than stupid...."

LOL. AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH? BUT EVEN IF I KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKIN' BOUT I WOULDN'T OF DID SHIT TIL HE BROUgHT ME PROOF OF WHAT HE WAS TALKIN' BOUT. I'M NOT THE ONE TO BE PUT IN AN UNCERTAIN POSITION.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Ok so you believe everyone will be ressurected, good sheep and bad sheep alike.
We agree this far, but yet you still believe the bad sheep will be put back to sleep/death....
Now how is this different from believing the people will be resurrected only to be put back to death?"

MAN, I DID NOT SAY THAT THE BAD SHEEP WOULD BE PUT BAK TO DEATH. I SAID THEY WOULD BE JUDgED. THEY WILL gET ANOTHA OPPORTUNITY AND FROM THERE WILL BE JUDgED ACCORDIN' TO HOW THEY ACT OR WHAT NOT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's all competition man, you grew up among them. Be honest.
They all are shootin for a spot under the 144,000 anointed ones."

MAN, THAT'S THE MOST IgNORANT AND MISPERCEIVED NOTION YOU HAVE STRESSED THUS FAR. THE 144,000 SPOTS ARE ALL FULFILLED. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ALONg WITH N-E FOLLOWER OF TRUTH BELIEVE'S THAT WHAT AWAITS US IS AN EARTHLY DESTINATION. AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE AN OPEN MIND BUT THAT COMMENT PROVES ACTUALLY HOW CLOSED YOUR MIND IS.

EDJ · Feb 19, 2004

TO BE CONTINUED.....

illusion · Feb 20, 2004

Sup folks... been a while. But anyways I haven't read 90% of the replies under this topic but I have a quote from a song that's relevant to everyone's opinion on this matter:

"No one knows what happens when we die. You can believe what you want... but that doesn't mean you're right." - King Crimson

There is one ultimate truth and it is something none of us will discover until the biological process of death is complete. It doesn't matter how pure your faith is in any given religion... or how positive you are there is no such thing as "God"... the fact of the matter is no one really knows what happens when we die. I think it's a simple fact that we all forget about because we get so wrapped up in our own opinions and criticism on other’s beliefs. It's important to pause for a moment and remember you can believe whatever you want in terms of death... but it doesn't mean you're right.

EDJ · Feb 20, 2004

^I AgREE.

HERESY · Feb 20, 2004

I DON'T SEE HOW THE 144,000 IS LITERAL WHILE THE TRIBES ARE FIGURATIVE/ "SYMBOLIC" OF "SPIRITUAL ISRAEL". VERY ILLOGICAL............*VERY* ILLOGICAL.............

I DON'T SEE HOW THE 144,000 CAN ALREADY HAVE THESE "SLOTS" FULFILLED WHEN THE 144,000 OF THE BIBLE ARE "SEALED" DURING A *SPECIFIC* TIME PERIOD THAT HAS ****YET**** TO HAPPEN. VERY ILLOGICAL......*VERY* ILLOGICAL.......

I DON'T SEE HOW YESHUA COULD BE YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? YES. YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? NO. SOME OF YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND *MODALISM* AND *TRITHEISM* BECAUSE I'VE BEEN READING LUNACY IN THIS THREAD. UNSOUND DOCTRINE/DOGMA THAT NEEDS TO BE STAMPED OUT.........

"I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE" DOES *NOT* MEAN THEY ARE THE EXACT BEING. TO IMPLY OR THINK THAT CAN'T (NOR WILL IT EVER) BE SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE *OR* THE LANGUAGES THE SCRIPTURES WERE WRITTEN IN.

IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE SHEMA WHICH IS:
SH'MA YISRAEL ADONAI ELOHAYNOO, ADONAI ECHAD

YOU WILL UNDERSTAND *EXACTLY* WHAT "GOD" IS.

KEYWORDS:

ECHAD

ADONAI

ELOHAYNOO

I DON'T CARE *WHO* YOU ARE *DON'T* REPLY TO THIS POST IF YOU KNOW *NOTHING* ABOUT MODALISM OR TRITHEISM. IF YOU REPLY WITH A REBUTTAL WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE YOU WILL SIMPLY MAKE YOURSELF APPEAR AS A FOOL.......GET IN THE HABIT OF READING.......

:HGK:

miggidy · Feb 20, 2004

HERESY said:

As far as I know from just reading the New Testiment;
the message I'm getting is that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. There's nothing in the scripture that says otherwise.

I'll look into your suggestions and get back to you to share what I think. This is very interesting to me cuz I have yet to find anyone who can explain who both Jesus and the Father are.
There's always a gray area surrounding them, and no solid white or black.

By the way, what's up with them tracks you said you was gonna share with us?

miggidy · Feb 23, 2004

EDJ said:

I agree, we no longer hold the views once held during the time we recorded those tracks.

EDJ said:

LOL! Most of them girls are big man. But every now and then you see a slim one and they ain't that bad.

EDJ said:

Who says I idolize images?
Can you explain that?
I do not worship the image, in other words I do not put my faith on it. Who would I be kidding? You only see that shit in Mexico, Central and South America....

EDJ said:

Says who? You're speaking from your perspective. To the selfish and primative human mind, nothing is fair....

EDJ said:

Maybe you just block yourself from seeing the logic. It's there....

EDJ said:

The logic is fact. You simply don't wanna see it because it goes against what you personally believe.

EDJ said:

Why would they get another opportunity if they have only lived once?

They will be brought back to life just like every other sheep, some will recieve eternal life while most will recieve eternal punishment....

EDJ said:

There's nothing in the scripture that indicates whether those slots are already filled.

Now even if they are competing to get a spot in this new Earth, how does that change anything????
They are still trying to earn their ticket through works alone, and that was my whole point....

miggidy · Feb 23, 2004

miggidy said:

Heresy I just looked into what you were stressing.
I didn't learn anything new....

I understand that there is only one God like the Shema suggests, but it doesn't give any further insight as to who Jesus is.
You say that Jesus cannot be God in the flesh, if so who do you think he is then?
What belief do you hold, modalism, tritheism, or trinitarianism?
I'm assuming you believe in trinitarianism since it fits what you've been stressin in these boards.

But so far these three are just biblical theology....

I am tryin to look past these theologies because none seem to fully explain who Jesus is. They seem to know who the father is (except for Modalism, I think this one's wacked out) but don't offer too much insight as to who/what Jesus is.
Maybe the answer lies in understanding what the Old Testiment says about the messiah....

HERESY · Feb 24, 2004

"Heresy I just looked into what you were stressing.
I didn't learn anything new...."

1.either you didn't look into it deep enough.

OR

2. It's not for you to understand right now.

I don't see how you could NOT have learned anything new. I suggest you READ again and research the word ECHAD.

"I understand that there is only one God like the Shema suggests, but it doesn't give any further insight as to who Jesus is."

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IF YOU DID YOU WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT IT GIVES NO FURTHER INSIGHT AS TO WHO YESHUA IS.

"You say that Jesus cannot be God in the flesh, if so who do you think he is then?"

THE *ONLY* THING THAT **REALLY** TICKS ME OFF IS WHEN PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD *DON'T* READ WHAT HAS BEEN POSTED. *HERE* IS WHAT I SAID:

"I DON'T SEE HOW YESHUA COULD BE YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? YES. YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? NO."

ONLY AN "ANTI-CHRIST" WOULD DENY THAT YESHUA CAME IN THE FLESH (READ THE BOOK OF JAMES). MY BELIEFS ARE SIMPLE. I FOLLOW THE WAY. NO "MULTIPLE" GODS. NO MARY, NO THREE HEADED GOD NO SCHIZOPHRENIC GOD WHO SWITCHES ROLES AT THE DROP OF A DIME. *ONE* GOD. ECHAD. LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS. AMERICA (BABYLON) HAS *ONE* GOVERNMENT. WITHIN THAT GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE THREE BRANCHES. LEGISLATIVE,EXECUTIVE AND JUDICIAL. NO ONE BRANCH IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE OTHER. THEY ALL CO-EXIST THEY EACH HAVE A FUNCTION. ***YOU*** ARE MADE OF THREE DISTINCT PARTS BUT YOU ARENT THREE MIGG'S. ARE YOU STARTING TO SEE IT NOW?

:HGK:

miggidy · Feb 24, 2004

^^^^
Heresy,

Let me borrow your line, "THE *ONLY* THING THAT **REALLY** TICKS ME OFF IS WHEN PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD *DON'T* READ WHAT HAS BEEN POSTED."
You didn't understand what I said,
I didn't say Jesus manifested in the flesh, I said God AKA YHWH manifested in the flesh.

As for "Echad" I'll look into it again.
And I'll post on it later today....

miggidy · Feb 24, 2004

Heresy,

Ok I dug a little deeper, and found out there is a dispute between scholars regarding the meaning of the Hebrew word "Echad" and how it applies to certain biblical scripture. It is translated to "one" in the bible.
It seems the word has two meanings, it means the union of two or more things, and the number "one" itself.
The dispute lies in the Shema and under what context is the word "Echad" being used. Trinitarians argue that the word's being used as a union, and Jews argue that it's being used in a numerical form.

From what I have learned so far, this is up for dispute.
And not a clear shot to support anyone's belief.

I'll look into it some more to draw my own conclusion. But if you can shed some light on the subject, be my guest.

HERESY · Feb 25, 2004

@migg you stated the following:

"You didn't understand what I said, I didn't say Jesus manifested in the flesh, I said God AKA YHWH manifested in the flesh."

Here is what you said in the previous post:

"You say that Jesus cannot be God in the flesh, if so who do you think he is then?"

Again I'll quote myself and prove once again that siccness members see what they want to see.

"I DON'T SEE HOW YESHUA COULD BE YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? YES. YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? NO."

1. I SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "GOD" AND YHWH. AT THIS TIME YOU *DON'T* AND PROOF OF THAT IS IN YOUR STATEMENT.

2.IF I SAID "GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? YES." (REFER TO MY STATEMENT) WHY WOULD YOU ASK ME THAT QUESTION OR IMPLY THAT I SAID THAT JESUS CANNOT BE GOD IN THE FLESH?

YHWH
YESHUA
RAUCH HAKODESH

READ JOHN 1:1-14 KEY VERSES ARE 1,2,3 AND 14.

I HAVE A LOT OF STUFF ON ECHAD (ONE IN UNITY/ONE IN NUMBER)AND JEWISH/HEBREW TEXT/LANGUAGE. FOR NOW HIT THIS LINK
http://www.haydid.org/wings9.htm

*STOP* THINKING AS A "CHRISTIAN" AND SIMPLY START THINKING. WHEN IT'S TIME TO UNDERSTAND ALLOW THE RAUCH TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND.

HGK

miggidy · Feb 26, 2004

"I DON'T SEE HOW YESHUA COULD BE YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? YES. YHWH MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? NO."

Alright, I think I know what you mean then.
You're basically sayin that Jesus was the triune God manifested in the flesh.
It was a matter of us seeing the word "God" differently.

But you know that only opens a can of worms right?
YHWH is translated to God (the triune God and not a part of it as you suggest) in just about every bible.
What I mean is that YHWH's name is that of the complete God and not just the Father.
Or, it can be just the name of the Father, just depends who you ask....

Anyways, thanks for the link.
So far it's a back and forth thing, I don't see any clear indication as to which version of Echad was used in the Shema.
The passages you suggested can be used on both sides of the argument. One passage that popped to my head is found very early in Genesis during the creation of man. What did God say?
He said, "Let us create man in our image"....
Interesting, kinda kills the whole Jewish belief that God doesn't have 3 or 2 faces....
I'm gonna digg up some info to see how the Jews argue against this passage.

*STOP* THINKING AS A "CHRISTIAN" AND SIMPLY START THINKING. WHEN IT'S TIME TO UNDERSTAND ALLOW THE RAUCH TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND.

Well a real Christian to me is someone like Jesus's disciples, I try to think like they did. It usually helps but I think what you are telling me is to stop thinking like these so-called AKA half assed Christians.

MEXCOM · Feb 26, 2004

What I was trying to tell EDJ

Ok I havent posted in this thread in quite a while, one of the main reasons was because EDJ never responded to my final responce about the word Echad, he probably overlooked it or didnt have acces to the internet. Anyways....

miggidy said:

My personal belief is that YHWH is the name of God or lord. The father is not YHWH, Jesus is not YHWH, and the holy spirit is not YHWH. Just like Heresy said the legislative, the judicial, and the executive all make up ONE entity, the United States Government yet none of these IS the US Government. YHWH then is YHWH.

miggidy said:

Exactly! I brought this up before and its God Speaking about creation. He is talking to someone else but who is it he is speaking of? He is using ECHAD as in a unity of one, which means that there most be more than one in order to make a unity of one. Sounds strange but thats what the word implies. He is speaking to himself because God is 3 figures we know that make him YWHW. If he was using a one as in singularity he would have used the word yachiyd (sp?) which means one is singularity. When talking about the word of the LORD echad is used.
(I admit i dont know everything about this subject and some of my information might be perverted or wrong, though i did extremely research this topic and am also taking courses in bible literature and history to further my understanding. The thing is th more you learn the more you question [not questioning my faith] how much is accurate and what really was and wasnt.)

miggidy · Feb 26, 2004

Re: What I was trying to tell EDJ

SJN14 said:

Good point, that's one way to look at it.

SJN14 said:

Just when this shit started to make more sense to me, this shit pops into my head;
In Genesis, it says that God (YHWH) walked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve. As we know the garden was some where here on Earth (middle east I think). It doesn't say the Spirit was in the garden, it specifically says God walked in the garden meaning he was physically there. Just like when he visited Abraham in route to Soddom and Gamorah. He manifested himself in the flesh.
So how can YHWH manifest himself in the flesh if he's the triune God? I made a comment to my Christian friends when I first started reading the scripture. I told them that I thought it was Jesus whom was in the garden and also the man who visited Abraham with 2 other angels. They thought it was a good guess.

Anyways, I think this is a good point and I'm not saying it to debate against you or Heresy. It's more like I'm tryin to bring more info into the conversation so that we can all get a clear picture and come into some kind of understanding....

MEXCOM · Feb 26, 2004

Re: Re: What I was trying to tell EDJ

miggidy said:

You have to remember one thing. God (YHWH) has no body. He is a spirit and as we all know Spirits have no body. Mormons would tell you otherwise. I used to think like this also. I used to believe God was a Man (not a woman) since he made Man in his image. This is not so. If God has no body then how are we made in his image? I think the answer is because we are here to experience God and to seperate us from the animals (and possibly angels). When we read Genisis it says "The Voice of the Lord," it does not say his body since he does not have one. And Jesus (in the flesh) was not created at this time, he comes much after.

miggidy · Feb 26, 2004

Yeah but read Soddom and Gamorah,
Abraham saw 3 men walking near his home. And it was only after he got closer that he realized one of the men was God.

MEXCOM · Feb 26, 2004

I'll get back to this when I have time, but remember even Jesus said Spirits have no body made of flesh and bone. Maybe he came back as what we would think of as a ghost.

miggidy · Feb 26, 2004

^^^^
Spirits need bodies, that's why demons are always possessing people.
Anyways, if you read the passage I told you about, Abraham's wife fixes the three a meal to eat. They were not in Spirit form.

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