THE FAKEST RELIgION
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HELL YEAH! ALL THE TIME IF YOU WANT ME TO VALIDATE YOUR POINT. BUT IT'S ON YOU TO PROVE YOUR POINT. THAT IS NOT DOIN' MY HOMEWORK. MY HOMEWORK IS ALREADY DONE. EVERY TIME I POINT SOMETHIN' OUT, I LEAVE SCRIPTURE, SHOWIN' YOU THAT IT COMES FROM SUCH AND NOT MY PERCEPTION OR WHAT SOMEONE TOLD ME. YOU NEED TO gET IN THE HABIT OF THAT IF INDEED IT'S THE SCRIPTURES THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWIN'.
Maybe,
but I tend to speak from what I read in the scripture. I wouldn't quote the bible if I were lying and I expect others to do the same.
If they lie, then they have dug their own graves.
Anyways don't forget to read the beginning of chapter 19, it is there where the bible identifies the other 2 men as angels.
but I tend to speak from what I read in the scripture. I wouldn't quote the bible if I were lying and I expect others to do the same.
If they lie, then they have dug their own graves.
Anyways don't forget to read the beginning of chapter 19, it is there where the bible identifies the other 2 men as angels.
^BUT WHERE EXACTLY IS IT IDENTIFIED THAT THE THIRD MAN WAS (gOD)?
BUT YOU STRESSED, "but I tend to speak from what I read in the scripture."
AND WHAT YOU SPEAK IS YOUR TRANSLATION AND PERCEPTION OF THAT SCRIPTURE WITHOUT BRINgIN' IT TO LIgHT. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO QUOTE THE PASSAgE AND PUT IT OUT THERE SO THERE WON'T BE NO CONFUSION.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "I wouldn't quote the bible if I were lying and I expect others to do the same."
SO YOU SAYIN' YOU LYIN' AND THAT'S WHY YOU WON'T QUOTE THE BIBLE?
BUT YOU STRESSED, "but I tend to speak from what I read in the scripture."
AND WHAT YOU SPEAK IS YOUR TRANSLATION AND PERCEPTION OF THAT SCRIPTURE WITHOUT BRINgIN' IT TO LIgHT. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO QUOTE THE PASSAgE AND PUT IT OUT THERE SO THERE WON'T BE NO CONFUSION.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "I wouldn't quote the bible if I were lying and I expect others to do the same."
SO YOU SAYIN' YOU LYIN' AND THAT'S WHY YOU WON'T QUOTE THE BIBLE?
You totally missed what I was saying.
How can I quote my personal translation of the bible?
I quote the words that are written in it.
Here's the passage I was reffering to, make a note that this is the last time I'll do this for "you"....
Genesis 18: 1-2
Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground
Remember when I said to read Genesis chapter 18?
These passages are found right in the beginning. And that was not the only reason why asked you to read the entire chapter, there is all kinds of info there about God's character. Pretty interesting stuff....
How can I quote my personal translation of the bible?
I quote the words that are written in it.
Here's the passage I was reffering to, make a note that this is the last time I'll do this for "you"....
Genesis 18: 1-2
Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground
Remember when I said to read Genesis chapter 18?
These passages are found right in the beginning. And that was not the only reason why asked you to read the entire chapter, there is all kinds of info there about God's character. Pretty interesting stuff....
I think if you believe in jesus christ the son of god, knowing that he was jewish, any other religion pertaining to the fact has no valid bases for the religion. I also believe that most, not all, but most religions are ran like businesses, they install faith, in exchange for a offering dish, and did you know church's do not pay taxes, wonder where all the money goes?
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the fakest "religion" is any one that says, "you can have God and have all these material pleasures at the same time. So go do whatever you want".
There is a lot of this shit in these new age sects. Unfortunately alot of it is leaking into true religion.
True religion is surrendering unto God. If something does not come to that point, then it is not true religion.
There is a lot of this shit in these new age sects. Unfortunately alot of it is leaking into true religion.
True religion is surrendering unto God. If something does not come to that point, then it is not true religion.
My parents are elders in a foursquare church. The money barely covers all the bases. Most churches skrimp and save what they get, and it goes out to necessary causes like "housing the church", "paying the musicians", "setting up activities".
All those people who say churches are just about an offering plate have no idea that most churches *barely* scrape by, most people involved with the church take money out of their own pocket to keep the shit going. It can be a money making business, like the scheming televangelists, but most churches run on good will and steam. Rarely is a church a profitable undertaking for any involved.
All those people who say churches are just about an offering plate have no idea that most churches *barely* scrape by, most people involved with the church take money out of their own pocket to keep the shit going. It can be a money making business, like the scheming televangelists, but most churches run on good will and steam. Rarely is a church a profitable undertaking for any involved.
It took me a while but at least I got you an answer. I asked my bible literature and history professor and he gave me about 3 different responces. It says that God appeared to Abraham but one must know one thing about Judeism (sp?). And that is that although God is everywhere at once there is a specific term when God makes it know that he is there. Such as the burning bush, because God is omnipresent he is everywhere, but because he specifically wanted to reveal himself to Moses that term (I cant remember it now) is most likely used in this passage. The second thing it could be is redaction. The author of the bible might have implied that God was physically there although he never was. Look into the word and meaning of redaction if confusion still arises. Thirdly Angel literally means "messeger" in (what I believe) is Hebrew. Later on, more spicifically in the time of Abraham, Angels were known as "The son's of God." Perhaps it was an angel and not God that relayed the message to Abraham. And now what I was going to originally say (note that the former answers are what the professor believes off the top of his head) It never directly says that God shows up. It shows three men (most commonly refered to as angels) who are messengers (angels?) of God. God is there but only in a way (and I cant remember the term) that shows Abraham he is paying attention to Abraham right then and there.
SJ did you read the whole chapter?
Here it is complete....
Genesis 18
Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant."
They said, "Do as you have said."
So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes." And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.
Then they said to him, "Where is Sarah your wife?"
So he said, "Here, in the tent."
And He said, "I will certainly return to you according to the time of life, and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son."
(Sarah was listening in the tent door which was behind him.) Now Abraham and Sarah were old, well advanced in age; and Sarah had passed the age of childbearing. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, "After I have grown old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?"
And the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, "Shall I surely bear a child, since I am old?' Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son."
But Sarah denied it, saying, "I did not laugh," for she was afraid.
And He said, "No, but you did laugh!"
Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. And the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him." And the LORD said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know."
Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD. And Abraham came near and said, "Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes."
Then Abraham answered and said, "Indeed now, I who am but dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for lack of five?"
So He said, "If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy it."
And he spoke to Him yet again and said, "Suppose there should be forty found there?"
So He said, "I will not do it for the sake of forty."
Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Suppose thirty should be found there?"
So He said, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."
And he said, "Indeed now, I have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose twenty should be found there?"
So He said, "I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty."
Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?"
And He said, "I will not destroy it for the sake of ten." So the LORD went His way as soon as He had finished speaking with Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.
Now the story continues into the next chapter....
Genesis 19: 1-3
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. And he said, "Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way."
And they said, "No, but we will spend the night in the open square."
But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
Like I said before, I ain't tryin to debate with you and Heresy, I'm just sharing what I've read.
I don't know, I read it a few times and to me I still get the impression that this is God manifested in the flesh and not in the Spirit.
What do you think Heresy? You wanna throw some ideas into this? Was this The Father/The Son/The Holy Spirit? All or one, in the flesh or in the spirit?
Notice how Lott refered to the 2 angels as lords? Could these 2 angels be any of the 3 modes of GOD? The New King James version didn't capitalize the word lord in that passage so maybe these are angels after all.
Also take note that chapter 18 never specified which of the 3 men was the Lord.
Personally I think one of the men was God himself, either the Father, the Son, or the Spirit. But He was in the flesh....
The other 2 men were angels as confirmed in chapter 19....
Here it is complete....
Genesis 18
Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant."
They said, "Do as you have said."
So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes." And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.
Then they said to him, "Where is Sarah your wife?"
So he said, "Here, in the tent."
And He said, "I will certainly return to you according to the time of life, and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son."
(Sarah was listening in the tent door which was behind him.) Now Abraham and Sarah were old, well advanced in age; and Sarah had passed the age of childbearing. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, "After I have grown old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?"
And the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, "Shall I surely bear a child, since I am old?' Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son."
But Sarah denied it, saying, "I did not laugh," for she was afraid.
And He said, "No, but you did laugh!"
Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. And the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him." And the LORD said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know."
Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD. And Abraham came near and said, "Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes."
Then Abraham answered and said, "Indeed now, I who am but dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for lack of five?"
So He said, "If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy it."
And he spoke to Him yet again and said, "Suppose there should be forty found there?"
So He said, "I will not do it for the sake of forty."
Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Suppose thirty should be found there?"
So He said, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."
And he said, "Indeed now, I have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose twenty should be found there?"
So He said, "I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty."
Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?"
And He said, "I will not destroy it for the sake of ten." So the LORD went His way as soon as He had finished speaking with Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.
Now the story continues into the next chapter....
Genesis 19: 1-3
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. And he said, "Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way."
And they said, "No, but we will spend the night in the open square."
But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
Like I said before, I ain't tryin to debate with you and Heresy, I'm just sharing what I've read.
I don't know, I read it a few times and to me I still get the impression that this is God manifested in the flesh and not in the Spirit.
What do you think Heresy? You wanna throw some ideas into this? Was this The Father/The Son/The Holy Spirit? All or one, in the flesh or in the spirit?
Notice how Lott refered to the 2 angels as lords? Could these 2 angels be any of the 3 modes of GOD? The New King James version didn't capitalize the word lord in that passage so maybe these are angels after all.
Also take note that chapter 18 never specified which of the 3 men was the Lord.
Personally I think one of the men was God himself, either the Father, the Son, or the Spirit. But He was in the flesh....
The other 2 men were angels as confirmed in chapter 19....
2 points of knowledge for yaw. Take the D from devil and what do you have. Place an O in God and what do you have. Also the greatest trick the devil ever did was make the world think he never exsisted lazee. You think you worship satan but not the devil. You are blinded. (shakes head) You've got shakels on your mind.