racist ass democratic mexicans.

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YOuNg WiNo said:
a ass hole you think mexicans are lower class?
no they arent lower class.

YOuNg WiNo said:
aye proppa you dont want mexico to be apart of califas ?
well, i dont know about proppa but i sure as hell dont want mexico to be a part of california!

YOuNg WiNo said:
open your eyes mexican/chicano culture is here an been here since california has been in the union and befor that get used to it cuz its been this way
chicano culture didnt start until the early 1900 when large amounts of Mexican Nationals immigrated to America fleeing the Mexican Revolution.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
They tried getting rid of Mexicans from those jobs before and guess what happened? The Great Depression. Dont you remember when they deported all kinds of Mexicans back to Mexico, including ones that were born here back in the 30s? Oh wait, your history books dont tell you that.
because you wrong.

you are off by a few years. the depression didnt start after or because of the repatriation of Mexicans. we were in a full fledged depression when the repatriation program took effect, it was because of the depression that repatriation took effect..

while i do agree with you that it was a tragedy because many american citizens were sent back with the Mexicans.
 
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SJN14 said:
What you're still not understanding is that since Mexican's are in California and California is part of their motherland they are not illegal.
what you are forgetting though sjn14 is that according to American Law they are here illegally.

SJN14 said:
That's like me telling you that you can't go to Sweden because it's not yours.
well if it si governement law saying that he cant go back to sweeden then in reality he cant right?? at least not legally.

SJN14 said:
We didn't steal the land. We made it was it is. If you want a good read, then pick your ass up a people's history of the United States.
well as for the Aztecs they did steal the land, actually they stole alote of land and killed alote of the peoples from which they stole the land, the few that they didnt kill in battle over the land they used as slaves and the unlucky ones were sacraficed in a cruel and inhumane manner
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
how can Aztecs (mexicans) from Mexico claim northern california as their homeland?? these people left north america to go settle in Mexico City, so how can some1 claim this land as theirs.

i mean ya, shit happens but i feel things happen for a reason, and America has been blessed with many things, that sometimes it makes me wonder if some other worldly being is looking after us and helping us out.
he said nothign about the Aztecs.
 
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sorry Mclean buddy, your the wrong one. Get your nose out the textbook and learn something real. Some of my American born family were deported to Mexico BEFORE the depression was official labeled. The actual titled program didnt go into effect until after the depression was already happening, but my fam was getting shipped to a country they never even seen before. Some of my fam didnt even know spanish.

It might of not been a direct cause for the depression, but it was partly responsible for california's economy.

Also, the Mexican race isnt only derived from Aztecs in Mexico City. There were indian tribes throughout all of what is known as Aztlan. Spaniards invaded the whole area, procreated with the indians and created Mestizos - spainard/indian mix. This offspring became Mexicans when all of the full blooded spainards died off. Its not just the Aztec indians mixed with the spainard blood that creates a mexican. Its any indian of north america invaded by spainard peoples.

I cant believe you view yourself as a Mexican-American second to an American. I hate to say it, but you are the true definition of a coconut
 
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MeloTrauma said:
I cant believe you view yourself as a Mexican-American second to an American. I hate to say it, but you are the true definition of a coconut
i have no reason to claim to be "Mexican" i am not from Mexico i am from America (USA). so were my parents and grandparents.

now you can call me what you want but the fact of the matter is you are from the country in which you were born. if you are white but born in Africa and have many generation there, then you are an African.

now if you ask me what race am i then ya i will say that i am mexican.
 
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If you had any sense of pride you'd be Mexican first in a country that automatically puts us second. Youre giving in to THEIR classification.

I have a question, do you consider yourself Chicano?
 
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MeloTrauma said:
I have a question, do you consider yourself Chicano?
i am an American, me personally i would call the term "chicano" more of a lifestyle, of course that is just my opinion

MeloTrauma said:
If you had any sense of pride you'd be Mexican first in a country that automatically puts us second. Youre giving in to THEIR classification.
i have never been put second, or treated as second class.

so should an American who can trace their roots back to the Pilgrims be considered English Americans, or just Americans.

you see all these subdivisions are what keeps us from being one. every1 wants to be separated and classified differently. the day that we all just see that we are all Americans, is the day that every1 will be equal!!
 
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Subdivisions, as you call them, are necessary for individualism, unless you want to be a drone to the government. Subdivisions are neccessary for keeping a democracy. This country is supposed to be built on the ideals that everyone is equal no matter what race or religion the citizens are. You say you want us to be one. If you have one voice, one mind, one group of people as citizens of America, thats when democracy is truly over and the principals by which this country was founded are moot.
 
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both yall are right.


we need individualism but not matred. you dons see me callin some dude that just moved here from germany not a "real" white person.


but alot of mexicans have there own veiws. if your mexican your mexican. if your black your black, your born that way.


you cant say oh your not a "real mexican"

people need to recognize each toher. embrace each other and put the bull shit aside. its cool to love ya culture, its cool to be ya self. but its not cool to throw lables around like you pricin shit for a department store
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Subdivisions, as you call them, are necessary for individualism, unless you want to be a drone to the government.
what they are neccasary for is polititians to get votes, they keep people hating each other and thinking of each other as different and that is what keeps them in power.

MeloTrauma said:
Subdivisions are neccessary for keeping a democracy. This country is supposed to be built on the ideals that everyone is equal no matter what race or religion the citizens are.
we are not a democracy, never have been, never will be (hopefully).
what we are is a republic.

MeloTrauma said:
You say you want us to be one. If you have one voice, one mind, one group of people as citizens of America, thats when democracy is truly over and the principals by which this country was founded are moot.
i never said one voice, one mind, i said one people.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
what they are neccasary for is polititians to get votes, they keep people hating each other and thinking of each other as different and that is what keeps them in power.

we are not a democracy, never have been, never will be (hopefully).
what we are is a republic.

i never said one voice, one mind, i said one people.
The fact is we are different. And that is suppose to be the beauty of America. Yes politicians use that for votes, but the seperate groups of people will always be seperate. We have seperate interests, seperate religions, seperate ethnic backgrounds... but beyond all of that we are suppose to be all that and equal to one another. The latter is not true. Why give up my own personal identity, my american right?

Second, this country's political system is and always has been a democracy. The actual term is a "liberal democracy" if you really want to get technical (or at least its supposed to be)

One people will give way to one voice, one mind. You want everybody to think your way, just like I want everybody to think my way. The beauty of it is that we are free to think differently in America. Checks and balances is the best thing this country has going for us. The pendulem swings both ways, liberal and conservative. We are unified as a people already, people who agree and disagree on a lot of things. Nobody here has said we dont want to be american, we all are blessed by living here... but there are injustices that have been affecting people that just dont go away overnight. This is why "one people" will not work in a system of "many peoples" There are issues that just cant be mended so easily by saying "All we have to do to fix this country is this...this...and this." Others will always disagree.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
The fact is we are different. And that is suppose to be the beauty of America.
yes it is.

MeloTrauma said:
One people will give way to one voice, one mind. You want everybody to think your way, just like I want everybody to think my way.
what i mean by one people is a colorblind society. yes we can have our differnces but ultimatley at the end of the day we are all Americans, not Mexicans, Africans, Asians, or any other.

MeloTrauma said:
The beauty of it is that we are free to think differently in America. Checks and balances is the best thing this country has going for us. The pendulem swings both ways, liberal and conservative.
i couldnt agree with you more.

MeloTrauma said:
This is why "one people" will not work in a system of "many peoples"
with that i disagree.

well anyway is feels great to finally take opposite points of views with some1 and carry in intelligent conversation, there isnt many poeple here that can do that.

good luck in whatever you do Melo
 
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proppa said:
i only got one thing to say.

THERE ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 SO WE SHOULD REWARD THEM????????????????????


WAKE THE FUCK UP. THESES ARNT PEOPLE WORKING HERE LEGALLY COMMING THROUGH BY A PROCESS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE LAW AND THEN NOW WERE POSSED TO GIVE THEM DRIVERS LICENSE'S? THERE NOT POSSED TO BE HERE WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM A FORM OF IDEA AND RIGHT TO BE HERE. UMMMMMMM THEN THAT MAKES IT LEGAL FOR I GUESS THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF MEXICO TO COME HERE. THEN AGAIN WE HAVE MEXACALI.



DOSENT ANYONE GET THIS.
Let me ask you a simple question,
are illegal aliens evil for breaking the law?
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
look california requires US american citizens to fingerprint in order to get our drivers license (which is a privlidge not a right by the way) but they wont require illegals to have to get the fingerprint.
Yeah that's what they say, "it's a privlidge and not a right".
Fuck'em! I as a citizen should have the right to drive when ever and where ever the hell I want. Why should the government dictate my form of transportation?

Mcleanhatch said:

that doesnt mean we have to make it easier for them after all they did break our laws.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Proppa,
are illegal aliens evil for breaking the law?

Mcleanhatch said:

would you like it if people cut in line in front of you at the DMV??? tht is what illegal aliens are doing to the law abiding immigrants that are trying yo come here legally.
No but at least I see the real problem here. Government workers are like union workers if you know what I mean.
THEY ARE LAZY!!!!
People wouldn't cut the line if they pulled their thumbs out their asses and worked in a timely matter!
Do you know how long it takes to get a visa? Better yet a green card? It's fucking ridiculous.

Mcleanhatch said:

i dont, beside encouraging kids to have sex all that does is make it easy for those who might not otherwise have sex to do it because it was so easy to get the condoms, i mean the ones that are going to do it anyways will go out and get their own condoms at the store anyways.
This is a whole different subject but it ties to this one.
Giving kids condoms does not encourage them to have sex at all.
The freaks will always be freaks no matter what you do to prevent it. And as for the kids who will find condoms else where, nope! They will have sex regardless if they find condoms or not. That is why teens get pregnant.... Which then leads to abortion....
Condoms will save inocent baby lives, that's why I support the idea of giving teens condoms. I look at it in the long run unlike certain people. And I look at this license issue in the very same way....

Mcleanhatch said:

you must have a good eye, you cant expect every1 else to be as sharp as you.

i know some Mexicans from Jalisco, Mexico that i bet you if you met them you would think that they were white.
No I cannot, people do not take the time to learn about other races and ethnic groups.
Most people are ignorant when it comes to that.....

As for your white Mexican cousins, I know what you're talkin about. They are Castellano's but hey, you gotta put one and two together. In other words, common sense. You're in Jalisco, chances are these people are white Mexicans....

Mcleanhatch said:

They all had drivers linsense from states that give them to any1 even ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Who let them inside in the first place?
 

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MCLEANHATCH,
YOU STRESSED, "i know some Mexicans from Jalisco, Mexico that i bet you if you met them you would think that they were white."

AND I BET THEY THINK THEY BETTER THAN THE DARKER MEXICANS CAUSE THEY HAVE HIgH SPANIARD BLOOD. WHAT A SHAME.

SO CONTAJUS,
SO YOU "ACT WHITE"? WHY POPS JOKIN' LIKE THAT?
 
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EDJ said:

SO CONTAJUS,
SO YOU "ACT WHITE"? WHY POPS JOKIN' LIKE THAT?
The reason is my father is Very Old fashioned. He was born in Mexico and is legal in the US. Now He says that little things I do such as if I speak to him in English. My father speaks very good English and spanish CLEARLY. But if I answer him in English he will tell me to repeat everything I said in Spanish. He doesn't want me to forget where I came from and my background.

Or an example of the above is if he calls my name and I say "WHAT!?!?! he will get upset with me. He tells me that is not the way I answer him it's suppose to be " Mande Usted" which is a respectful way of saying "Yes?" or "How can I help you" ... it has to do with respect. I'm not saying White people don't have respect it's just that my father doesn't want me to forget where I came from.