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SO U REALLY THINK HE WAS A PEACE ADVOCATE? REALLY? HE NEVER CALLED FOR ONE ATTACK ON ISRAEL? HE TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS TO STOP FIGHTING?

YOU HAVE NEVER MET HIM, SO YOU HONESTLY DONT KNOW, YES I BELIEVE BUSH IS DOING THE CORRECT JOB, BUT I DONT HAVE TO MEET HIM TO SAY THAT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE I HAVE TO MEET BARRY BONDS TO SAY HES A GOOD BASEBALL PLAYER?

FINE I WILL STOP

GOOD FOR THEM BOTH, AND THEY WERE BOTH VERY SUCCESFUL
 
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WestRumble said:
shit, if you think so? you should be for him in those areas you mention cuz you're pro-arafat. And he's a president idiot not a governor. don't get it :confused:!!!!

Look it your sig moron! you're just as :confused: as Heresy!!!!
You are a FUCKING IDIOT.

Dubya was governor before he was president. FUCK YOU ARE STUPID

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#83
SO U REALLY THINK HE WAS A PEACE ADVOCATE? REALLY? HE NEVER CALLED FOR ONE ATTACK ON ISRAEL? HE TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS TO STOP FIGHTING?


ACTUALLY HE DID CALL FOR A CEASE FIRE. IN FACT HE CALLED FOR A CEASE FIRE A YEAR BEFORE HE PASSED. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HIS STANCE ON PEACE YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO THE BOOK I SUGGESTED OR HIT THE SITE I LINKED. YOU WILL FIND VALUABLE INFORMATION.


YOU HAVE NEVER MET HIM, SO YOU HONESTLY DONT KNOW, YES I BELIEVE BUSH IS DOING THE CORRECT JOB, BUT I DONT HAVE TO MEET HIM TO SAY THAT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE I HAVE TO MEET BARRY BONDS TO SAY HES A GOOD BASEBALL PLAYER?


YOU CAN SAY BARRY BONDS IS A GOOD PLAYER BASED ON HIS STATS AND WATCHING THE MAN PLAY BASEBALL. I CAN SAY ARAFAT IS A DECENT MAN BY HEARING HIS WORDS AND WATCHING HIS STRUGGLE. I CAN SAY ARAFAT IS A GOOD MAN BECAUSE I KNOW ABOUT THE BALFOUR AGREEMENT....SOMETHING WHICH ***NONE**** OF YOU WISH TO DISCUSS. SO BEFORE *YOU* CAN HONESTLY SAY WHAT THE MAN IS OR ISN'T YOU SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH AND SEE *WHY* HE TOOK THE ROAD HE DID.


YES YOU BELIEVE BUSH IS DOING A GOOD JOB? WHY? BECAUSE THE AMERICAN MEDIA (WHICH IS CFR AND TLC OWNED) HAS TOLD YOU HE IS DOING A GOOD JOB. YOU BELIEVE ARAFAT WASN'T A CERTAIN WAY. WHY? BECAUSE THE AMERICAN MEDIA HAS SHOWN YOU A CERTAIN IMAGE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET BUSH TO FORM AN OPINION ABOUT HIS JOB. HOWEVER LOOK AT HIS BACKGROUND AND CURRENT RESULTS TO SEE IF HE'S DOING A CORRECT JOB. LOOK AT HIS MEMBERSHIP WITH THE SKULL&BONES ORDER. LOOK AT HIS FINANCERS. LOOK AT HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH CARLYLE. LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY HIS COMPANIES LOOK TO EARN BY INVADING IRAQ. LOOK AT HOW HIS GRANDFATHER FUNDED AND SUPPORTED THE NAZI PARTY. YEAH HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB MY FRIEND. WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THIS......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT....WASN'T THE WAR "OVER" MONTHS AGO?


CAN YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON HOW BUSH IS DOING A GOOD JOB? I'D LOVE TO LAUGH AT YOU RIGHT ABOUT NOW (ACTUALLY I'M ALREADY DOING IT)



FINE I WILL STOP


YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED.....




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HOLD ON MAN I THINK BUSH IS DOING A GOOD JOB IN IRAQ FOR REASONS THAT YOUR NOT GONNA AGREE WITH DO U STILL WANT TO HEAR THEM?

I MEAN ITS MY OPINION TO YOURS

IVE SINCE BARRY BONDS PLAY BASEBALL IN EVERY ASPECT AND YOU CAN SAY HE IS GOOD, YOU HAVENT SEEN YASSER ARAFAT IN EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE SO U CANT SAY HE IS A SINCERE HUMAN BEING

DID ARAFAT EVER TELL, ENCOURAGE, PALESTINIANS TO ATTACK ISRAEL?
 
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THE PEOPLE THAT KILLED PEOPLE TO BE PUT ON DEATHROW OBVIOUSLY DIDNT BELIEVE IN PRO LIFE AND TOOK EXACTLY THAT FROM SOMEONE ELSE, AND I THINK IT IS FAIR FOR THEM NOT TO HAVE THE CHOICE

IF U WANT TO COMPARE A MURDERER TO AN AVERAGE CITIZEN THATS FUCKIN CRAZY

IM TELLING YOU IN IRAQ, THE ONLY REASON THE PEOPLE ARE DYING IS BECAUSE THERE IS FIGHTING, WHAT ARE OUR TROOPS SUPPOSED TO DO NOT FIGHT BACK? BUSH WENT INTO IRAQ FOR OIL, TO LIBERATE IRAQ, NOT TO FIGHT THEM... DO U THINK IF WE WENT OVER TO IRAQ CAME IN AND THEY HANDED SADDAM OVER WITHOUT A FUSS AND LET US TALK TO ALL THE PEOPLE WE WANTED TO TALK TO THEN WE WOULD BE KILLING PEOPLE?
 

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HOLD ON MAN I THINK BUSH IS DOING A GOOD JOB IN IRAQ FOR REASONS THAT YOUR NOT GONNA AGREE WITH DO U STILL WANT TO HEAR THEM?

YES I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM FOR RIDICULE PURPOSES. I SIMPLY WISH TO SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.


I MEAN ITS MY OPINION TO YOURS


I AGREE.

IVE SINCE BARRY BONDS PLAY BASEBALL IN EVERY ASPECT AND YOU CAN SAY HE IS GOOD, YOU HAVENT SEEN YASSER ARAFAT IN EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE SO U CANT SAY HE IS A SINCERE HUMAN BEING



ACTUALLY BARRY BONDS HAS BEEN UNDER SCRUTINY RECENTLY SO I CAN'T SAY IF HE IS THE BEST/GOOD. WOULD A GOOD PLAYER BE ACCUSED OF DRUG USE? I DON'T KNOW HIS STATS WHILE HE PLAYED WITH THE PADRE'S NOR DO I KNOW OF HIS HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE STATS. IF HE SUCKED IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE WOULD THAT MAKE HIM GREAT?


I DON'T NEED TO SEE ARAFAT IN EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE TO FORM AN OPINION. MAY I REMIND YOU I'M NOT FORMING MY OPINION BASED ON AMERICAN MEDIA, NOR AM I FORMING IT BASED ON PRO ARAFAT WEB SITES. NOW APPLY MY QUESTIONS ABOUT BONDS TO ARAFAT. LET'S SAY ARAFAT WAS.....WAIT. HOLD ON. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ARAFAT WAS LIKE? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? IS YOUR OPINION BASED ON MEETING HIM? IF MEETING HIM IS A PREREQUISITE (WHICH YOU SEEM TO ASHERE TO) LOL!



ID ARAFAT EVER TELL, ENCOURAGE, PALESTINIANS TO ATTACK ISRAEL?



WHEN YOU ELABORATE ON THE BALFOUR DECLARATION I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.


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THE PEOPLE THAT KILLED PEOPLE TO BE PUT ON DEATHROW OBVIOUSLY DIDNT BELIEVE IN PRO LIFE AND TOOK EXACTLY THAT FROM SOMEONE ELSE, AND I THINK IT IS FAIR FOR THEM NOT TO HAVE THE CHOICE

HONESTLY I CAN'T MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF WHAT YOUR TRYING TO CONVEY. PLEASE CLARIFY.




IF U WANT TO COMPARE A MURDERER TO AN AVERAGE CITIZEN THATS FUCKIN CRAZY



LETS COMPARE BUSH TO ARAFAT.



IM TELLING YOU IN IRAQ, THE ONLY REASON THE PEOPLE ARE DYING IS BECAUSE THERE IS FIGHTING,


LETS APPLY YOUR LOGIC/CURRENT WAY OF THINKING TO YOUR STATEMENT. HOW DO YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE DYING IN IRAQ BECAUSE OF FIGHTING? HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ?



WHAT ARE OUR TROOPS SUPPOSED TO DO NOT FIGHT BACK?


THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN IRAQ PERIOD. IF THEY WERE NOT IN IRAQ THEY WOULD HAVE NO NEED TO FIGHT BACK. THATS VERY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND.



BUSH WENT INTO IRAQ FOR OIL,

IT'S DEEPER....NOT JUST OIL.



TO LIBERATE IRAQ,


LOL!!!!! HOW CAN YOU SAY HE WENT FOR OIL AND TO LIBERATE THE PEOPLE IN THE SAME SENTENCE? YOU'RE TELLING ME HE WENT TO PLUNDER AND AS A HUMANITARIAN? LMAO!
IF HE WANTED TO SAVE/LIBERATE THE PEOPLE...WAIT LIBERATE THEM FROM WHO? SADDAM? YES! I GET IT NOW!!! "LIBERATE" THE PEOPLE, INSTALL A PUPPET REGIME AND REAP THE REWARDS! DO IT JUST LIKE THE 70'S. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON AMERICA SUPPORTING SADDAM DURING THE IRAQ/IRAN WAR? IF BUSH WANTED TO LIBERATE IRAQ WHY DID HE NOT ASK THAT SANCTIONS BE LIFTED *FIRST*?




NOT TO FIGHT THEM...

SEE THE ABOVE.


DO U THINK IF WE WENT OVER TO IRAQ CAME IN AND THEY HANDED SADDAM OVER WITHOUT A FUSS AND LET US TALK TO ALL THE PEOPLE WE WANTED TO TALK TO THEN WE WOULD BE KILLING PEOPLE?


THE MAN WAS REMOVED FROM POWER ILLEGALLY. WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF SOMEONE CAME TO YOUR HOME AND SET UP SHOP JUST BECAUSE YOU HAD SOMETHING THEY WANTED? LET US TALK TO PEOPLE? AMERICAN WEAPONS INSPECTORS CONSTANTLY STATED HE DIDN'T HAVE WEAPONS SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT? MY POINT IS AMERICA HAS NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ PERIOD. WHY IS AMERICA TRYING TO LIBERATE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ WHEN WE HAVE HOMELESS IN AMERICA WHO DIE ON THE STREETS? WHY IS AMERICA TRYING TO LIBERATE IRAQ WHEN OUR ELDERLY CAN BARELY RECEIVE SUFFICIENT HEALTH CARE? WHY IS AMERICA TRYING TO LIBERATE IRAQ WHEN AMERICAN UN-EMPLOYMENT RATE IS HIGH? WHY IS AMERICA TRYING TO LIBERATE IRAQ WHEN WE HAVE A PRISON SYSTEM FILLED WITH MINORITIES? WHY IS AMERICA TRYING TO LIBERATE IRAQ WHEN CROOKED COPS PLANT DRUGS AND BEAT SUSPECTS?



YOU'D MAKE A FINE AND UTTERLY USELESS LEADER MY FRIEND. TO BE HONEST MY WAY OF THINKING WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO BE PRESIDENT EITHER. MY WAY OF THINKING DOES NOT BENEFIT CORPS AND BILLION DOLLAR CONTRACTORS.



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ALRIGHT IT IS MY POINT OF VIEW THAT BUSH IS CORRECT ON

GAY MARRIAGE STANCE
ABORTION STANCE
THE IRAQ SITUATION:
1 TAKE DOWN SADDAM
2 GET HANDS ON MORE OIL TO KEEP MY GAS PRICES DOWN
3 SET UP A GOVT IN THE MIDDLE EAST WE CAN BE ALLIES WITH OTHER THAN ISRAEL
4 SEARCH IRAQ FOR LINKS TO TERRORISM, WHICH WE FOUND THAT SADDAM WAS MAKING MONEY OFF THE FOOD PROGRAM WE HAD WIHT IRAQ AND GAVE MONEY TO THE IRAQIS WE ARE FIGHTING RIGHT NOW
5 LIBERATE IRAQ, AND SET UP A DEMOCRACY WHERE THEY CAN VOTE WHO THEY HAVE IN POWER AS WE DO
6 I LIKE BUSHS TAX CUT THAT DO FAVOR THE RICH BECAUSE I PLAN TO BE RICH WHEN I GET OLDER
7 AND I FEEL BY GOING INTO IRAQ WE NEED TO FLEX OUR MUSCLE IF THEY WANNA FIGHT, WE NEED TO SHOW TERRORISTS THAT WE ARE GAINING MORE AND MORE INFORMATION, AND THAT IF WE CAN TAKE DOWN A TERRORFUL REGIME THAN FINDING TERRORISTS WILL COME OVER TIME
8 AND I THINK ITS IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT THAT OUR ECONOMY CAN BENFIT OFF THIS WAR AT THE SAME TIME, HALIBURTON ALL THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES MAKING MONEY WHICH IS OGING TOWARDS OUR ECONOMY
9 I DONT THINK BUSH WAS GIVEN A FAIR CHANCE AT IMPLEMENTING HIS FISCAL POLICIES BECAUSE RIGHT WHEN HE STEPED INTO OFFICE HE INHERETED A DECLINIGN ECONOMY(WHICH IS NORMAL) AND SEPTEMBER 11 THAT SHOCKED ALMOST ALL ASPECTS OF THE ECONOMY

IF U ARGUE WOULD A GOOD PLAYER BE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING BAD? WOULD A SINCERE HUMAN BEING AN A PEACE ADVOCATE BE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING BAD LIKE CALLING ATTACKS?

AND I DONT SEE HOW I HAVE TO ELABORATE ON SOMETHING BEFORE YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION, THE ANSWER SHOULD BE THE SAME WHETHER I READ IT OR NOT
 

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GAY MARRIAGE STANCE
ABORTION STANCE



I AGREE WITH THESE ISSUES BUT MY STANCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUSH.


1 TAKE DOWN SADDAM

TAKE DOWN A MAN PLACED IN POWER BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT? A MAN FUNDED BY AMERICA? WHY REMOVE HIM?

2 GET HANDS ON MORE OIL TO KEEP MY GAS PRICES DOWN GAS PRICES HAVE NOT DECREASED. AMERICA CAN LOOK INTO OTHER SOURCES OF OIL. ARKANSAS HAS OIL, ALASKA HAS OIL ETC ETC ETC. YOU DON'T NEED IRAQS.


3 SET UP A GOVT IN THE MIDDLE EAST WE CAN BE ALLIES WITH OTHER THAN ISRAEL



WHY IS ANOTHER ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST NEEDED? SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER ALLY IN THE MID EAST? ANOTHER ALLY AMERICA WILL SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO?

4 SEARCH IRAQ FOR LINKS TO TERRORISM, WHICH WE FOUND THAT SADDAM WAS MAKING MONEY OFF THE FOOD PROGRAM WE HAD WIHT IRAQ AND GAVE MONEY TO THE IRAQIS WE ARE FIGHTING RIGHT NOW


WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 9 BILLION HALIBURTON SWINDLED? YEAH THE 9 BILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO IRAQI AID.....WANT TO STOP THE TERRORISM? REMOVE THE SANCTIONS.

5 LIBERATE IRAQ, AND SET UP A DEMOCRACY WHERE THEY CAN VOTE WHO THEY HAVE IN POWER AS WE DO


AMERICANS DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT AND THE PRESIDENCY IS CHOSEN BY ELITE FAMILIES AND INTERNATIONAL BANKERS. THIS SI WHY YOU HAD TWO ROTH FAMILY MEMBERS FUNDING CLINTON AND BUSH SR. THIS IS WHY YOU HAD TWO SKULL&BONES MEMBERS (BUSH AND KERRY) RUNNING FOR OFFICE. DO IRAQIS HAVE AN ELECTORAL SYSTEM LIKE AMERICANS? NOPE. DO THEY HAVE A COURT TO OVERSEE THE RULINGS AND SELECTION? NOPE. IF I'M WRONG PLEASE CORRECT ME. IF I'M CORRECT YOUR POINT HAS BEEN RENDERED INVALID AND ILLOGICAL AT BEST....


6 I LIKE BUSHS TAX CUT THAT DO FAVOR THE RICH BECAUSE I PLAN TO BE RICH WHEN I GET OLDER


......:rolleyes:


7 AND I FEEL BY GOING INTO IRAQ WE NEED TO FLEX OUR MUSCLE IF THEY WANNA FIGHT, WE NEED TO SHOW TERRORISTS THAT WE ARE GAINING MORE AND MORE INFORMATION, AND THAT IF WE CAN TAKE DOWN A TERRORFUL REGIME THAN FINDING TERRORISTS WILL COME OVER TIME



DURING THE LAST 12 YEARS HOW MANY TERRORISTS ATTACKS HAVE IRAQ COMMITED AGAINST THE U.S.?



8 AND I THINK ITS IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT THAT OUR ECONOMY CAN BENFIT OFF THIS WAR AT THE SAME TIME, HALIBURTON ALL THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES MAKING MONEY WHICH IS OGING TOWARDS OUR ECONOMY


YOU'RE A MISINFORMED IDIOT.

I'LL FINISH THIS LATER.


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THE IRAQ SITUATION:
1 TAKE DOWN SADDAM
Take down all 30 brutal dictators in other parts of the world. Replace all 30 countries with US occupations. Experience more terrorism than ever before, along with hundreds of thousands of US casualties. Watch as US-friendly governments with no legitimacy or public support in those countries get destroyed, toppled, and replaced. Watch all US taxpayer money dwindle away into failed efforts at establishing friendly "satellite states". Good plan.

2 GET HANDS ON MORE OIL TO KEEP MY GAS PRICES DOWN
Actually *lose* oil supplies in the long run as large chunks of Iraq without power, water, security, or stability lack ability to pump oil. Watch gas prices rise as unstable, dangerous post-Saddam Iraq loses nearly all ability to produce oil.

3 SET UP A GOVT IN THE MIDDLE EAST WE CAN BE ALLIES WITH OTHER THAN ISRAEL
Any government "set up", as the Iraq govt. is, will not have any legitimacy in the eyes of the people. An ally with no political clout in the region is, and will be, useless. That's like planting a KKK member in the middle of the Black Panther Party. While he may be an "ally", he is not a force for change or deciding factor in his transplanted environment.

4 SEARCH IRAQ FOR LINKS TO TERRORISM, WHICH WE FOUND THAT SADDAM WAS MAKING MONEY OFF THE FOOD PROGRAM WE HAD WIHT IRAQ AND GAVE MONEY TO THE IRAQIS WE ARE FIGHTING RIGHT NOW
Iraq has/had no links to terrorism. Searching Iraq for links to terrorism is like searching the state of Alabama for breakthroughs in philosophical thought. The assumption that "Since Iraq fought us in the Gulf War, they must be a part of some terrorist activities" is based on an idiotic, racist, Bush-style mindset, a political map of the Middle East that only includes Israel, Palestine, and Iraq. Saddam lacks now and before any mechanism for the channeling of funds to the "terrorists we are fighting now". The *main* funding of Iraq resistance has come through foreigners influencing and aiding the Iraqi resistance, foreigners who are now able to enter Iraq through a border filled with holes since the toppling of Saddam.

5 LIBERATE IRAQ, AND SET UP A DEMOCRACY WHERE THEY CAN VOTE WHO THEY HAVE IN POWER AS WE DO
The problem with setting up a democracy among those who do not understand it or fully comprehend the necessary politics is it will quickly degenerate. Historically, the introduction of democracy must be gradual. What will it degenerate into? A cry to racial and religious sensibilities for votes. "Do not vote for him, he is Sunni!" "Vote for me, I practice real Sha'Hi Islam!" "Vote for me, I will expel the American elements!" In the face of an unsteady Iraq, democracy could possibly elect an Osama bin Laden.

The great contradiction of Democracy in the Middle East is that many of the most undemocratic states and countries have the most freedom. Liberalism in Middle Eastern countries is most often introduced through totalitarian regimes wishing to modernize and expand their hold on power.

6 I LIKE BUSHS TAX CUT THAT DO FAVOR THE RICH BECAUSE I PLAN TO BE RICH WHEN I GET OLDER
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7 AND I FEEL BY GOING INTO IRAQ WE NEED TO FLEX OUR MUSCLE IF THEY WANNA FIGHT, WE NEED TO SHOW TERRORISTS THAT WE ARE GAINING MORE AND MORE INFORMATION, AND THAT IF WE CAN TAKE DOWN A TERRORFUL REGIME THAN FINDING TERRORISTS WILL COME OVER TIME
If a tank rolled down your street and soldiers came out on false pretenses, taking your country over, would you fight? All we are showing the "terrorists" is that everything they have been saying is true! The Iraq invasion has been the best Terror Recruitment Program that we could have ever launched. Osama bin Laden probably danced with joy when we invaded Iraq. Bush could not have helped him out any more.

8 AND I THINK ITS IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT THAT OUR ECONOMY CAN BENFIT OFF THIS WAR AT THE SAME TIME, HALIBURTON ALL THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES MAKING MONEY WHICH IS OGING TOWARDS OUR ECONOMY
Like the Guiness commercial...Brilliant! I hope when the Nazis made lampshades from Jews, the German lampshade industry benefitted!

9 I DONT THINK BUSH WAS GIVEN A FAIR CHANCE AT IMPLEMENTING HIS FISCAL POLICIES BECAUSE RIGHT WHEN HE STEPED INTO OFFICE HE INHERETED A DECLINIGN ECONOMY(WHICH IS NORMAL) AND SEPTEMBER 11 THAT SHOCKED ALMOST ALL ASPECTS OF THE ECONOMY
Bush has been implementing his fiscal policies since before 9/11. In fact, Bush is the only leader, of any leader in recorded history, to cut taxes during wartime. I'd say "in spite of" Bush's economic policies, our economy has still survived. "Supply side" and "trickle down" policies have always been known to benefit 1. the rich, and 2. to bankrupt the government,

The Bush deficit is undeniably huge...and it is almost solely due to his economic policies.
 
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SEE NOW I GOTTA TAKE THE TIME TO RESPOND TO THIS IDIOT

AND THEN I GOTTA RESPOND TO THE WHITE DEVIL AKA GEORGE BUSH JUNIOR

AND I DONT GOT THE TIME NOW CUZ I GOT SCHOOL AND A GAME SO ILL RESPOND IN A COUPLE MONTHS SOON AS I GATHER EVERYTHIGN IM GOING TO SAY

AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN COEM BACK WIHT UR OPINION, THAN I CAN SAY MY OPINION, THEN YOURS, THEN MINE, THEN YOURS, AND THEN ILL PROBABLY SAY YOUR RIGHT CAN WE HANG OUT SOME TIME?

BUT ILL C BACK
 
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shit, if you both think so? you guys should be for him in those areas you mention cuz you're pro-arafat. And he's a president idiot not a governor. don't get it :confused:!!!!

Look it your sig moron! you're just as :confused: as Heresy!!!!
Whats wrong with my sig? It matches my avatar....

If your talking about the "Price of war" link, that just refers to the cost we are wasting on Bush's war. I am pro peace and anti war BITCH! No problem with that and it has nothing to do with Israel Army TERRORISM!!!!

Now what fool!!!
 
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a. misinformed idiot
b. george w bush

1 a. why remove him becuz he killed his own people for having an oppsoing opinion, i really dont think you needed to ask that
b. ya thats your opinion of what will happen, thanx for the input

2 a. im sure they can but there is oil in iraq, so thats just another reason to be there
b. lose oil in the long run? the real long run? like when iraq is back running we're not gonna have a govt that likes america and we will get our oil cheaper????

3 a. yes i think it is good to have allies in all parts of the world
b. that is most likely true, but im saying is that iraq might hear stuff and tell us and we can use their bases run aways etc if more action ever needs to be taken. iraq is rich with oil and we're not the only ones trying to get ahold of it, business has a lot of influence over other countries

4 a. your statement has nothing to do with what i said
b. nope there is an article that saddam took the money from our food program and gave it to the people we are fighting in iraq today, as far as links to terrorism i agree saddam had no visable links to terrorism but i said IRAQ and there is definetly terrorist in IRAQ

5 a. if u think our vote does not count than ur wrong. what do u mean theyre not ognna have a court to oversee it, and there system is goingt o be run just like ours, we will stay there until things become right
b. so what should we do appoint somebody? that wouldnt fly to well in iraq... i think if you give the people a chance they can at least say they had the freedom to choose

6 a....
b....

7 a. i said that we needed to go into iraq, and if they wanted to fight than we have to flex our muscle and show them why we are the #1 world power, and show other countries that too, and also show them we are getting info and clued in on other terrorists
b. what you said has nothing to do with showing our power, finding more info etc...

8 a....
b....

9. And he had to impplement these policies because of this war... that i think is just and thats why i understand the defecit, but the economy is back up, and running normal
 

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RIP SRM 1/8/03 said:
a. misinformed idiot
b. george w bush

1 a. why remove him becuz he killed his own people for having an oppsoing opinion, i really dont think you needed to ask that
b. ya thats your opinion of what will happen, thanx for the input

2 a. im sure they can but there is oil in iraq, so thats just another reason to be there
b. lose oil in the long run? the real long run? like when iraq is back running we're not gonna have a govt that likes america and we will get our oil cheaper????

3 a. yes i think it is good to have allies in all parts of the world
b. that is most likely true, but im saying is that iraq might hear stuff and tell us and we can use their bases run aways etc if more action ever needs to be taken. iraq is rich with oil and we're not the only ones trying to get ahold of it, business has a lot of influence over other countries

4 a. your statement has nothing to do with what i said
b. nope there is an article that saddam took the money from our food program and gave it to the people we are fighting in iraq today, as far as links to terrorism i agree saddam had no visable links to terrorism but i said IRAQ and there is definetly terrorist in IRAQ

5 a. if u think our vote does not count than ur wrong. what do u mean theyre not ognna have a court to oversee it, and there system is goingt o be run just like ours, we will stay there until things become right
b. so what should we do appoint somebody? that wouldnt fly to well in iraq... i think if you give the people a chance they can at least say they had the freedom to choose

6 a....
b....

7 a. i said that we needed to go into iraq, and if they wanted to fight than we have to flex our muscle and show them why we are the #1 world power, and show other countries that too, and also show them we are getting info and clued in on other terrorists
b. what you said has nothing to do with showing our power, finding more info etc...

8 a....
b....

9. And he had to impplement these policies because of this war... that i think is just and thats why i understand the defecit, but the economy is back up, and running normal

I will assume all "a" statement's are directed at me (lol).


1. Who are the people he killed for having an opposing opinion? Are you making reference to those killed when he was placed in power?


2. Oil also exists in South america. Oil also exists in saudi arabia....what's your point?


3. Good to have allies in all parts of the world....allies you will most likely have to help but won't help you? France ring a bell? Russia ring a bell? In your opinion why is it good to have another presence in the mid east?


4. My statement does have something to do with what you said. You mentioned saddam having links to terrorism and his actions concerning the food for oil program. Not one link between saddam and "terrorist" has ever been established. You make reference to his alleged abuse of funds but what about those who were in iraq to "liberate"? Can you understand my point now?


5. I don't "think" votes don't count I know they don't count. Once again do iraqis have an electoral system? Has a court been implemented to oversee these elections?


6....


7. Every country on the planet knows america is the top superpower. America as a whole is #1 in reference to world economy (California is #5 on that last) , is the #1 nuke power, has the most advanced technology etc etc etc. With this info being common knowledge why flex your muscle? Why flex on a country that can't even fire a missle that has a range of 1,000 miles? We are getting info and clued in on terrorism? LMAO! When it's alleged that the cia and fbi were not sharing info how can your point be valid? Once again during the last 12 years how many terrorist attacks have iraq commited against the united states?



8. How will our economy benefit? Silk rugs?


9. I'll make reference to something white devil stated: I'd say "in spite of" Bush's economic policies, our economy has still survived. "Supply side" and "trickle down" policies have always been known to benefit 1. the rich, and 2. to bankrupt the government,


This is why the Fed Reserve was created in the first place. The only people who benefit from the iraq war are elite families and international bankers.


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Heresy...I don't understand how you can call Arafat a "man of peace". He may have made some small concessions in the peace process but the PLO has roots in the same kind of tyrannical, oppressive, murderous authoritarianism as many other Middle Eastern governments.

Research what happened in South Lebanon in the 70's because of the PLO moving in. They monopolized several industries, took over the economy, and terrorized dissenting civilians, even Palestinians. Their policies included murder, rape, kidnapping, and espionage against South Lebanese, Palestinians and others who opposed them. And this doesn't came from the AP or American sources. There is a great amount of coumentation among the Arab papers, Al-Ahram in Cairo, Al-Muzghraib in Syria, and others, about the early activities of the PLO.

Their laundry list of offenses includes basically everything under the sun. They even took up military positions in towns who opposed them, fired off rockets and mortars at the Israelis, then withdrew in order to make sure the town was hit hard. Their reign of South Lebanon was basically the law of the Kalashnikov, murdering dissenters, using civilians, including many Palestinians, as bullet shields, and forcing the service of 12 year olds.

This is due, in large part, towards a complete lack of accountability on Arafat's part. PLO's support and funding came from a pan-Arabic conglomeration of states that listed the destruction of Israel and Zionism as its sole goal. The Arab pipe dream of driving the Jews out into the sea was the stated goal of the PLO, and only until the late 90's did Arafat even consider clamping down on violence in order to bring chips to the bargaining table with the Israelis.

The PLO's early inception was due to funding and support, as I said earlier, by a group of Arab states with the intent purpose of smashing Zionism. These states included Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Tunisia, etc. The PLO received millions upon millions from these sources, while getting next to nothing from actual Palestinians. In 99 cases out of 100 Arafat and the PLO were answerable and in fact, subordinate to the Arab majority which funded them.

Never did they actually represent the Palestinian people, a people much more ready to embrace peace than Arafat himself. The PLO's diplomatic duty was largely an exercise in consensus, as they took actions which were the most likely to please their funding constituency. Accountability, responsibility, and representational government were never, *ever* a factor in the PLO's activities.

Since the PLO was based on the destruction of Israel, and founded upon the wishes of foreign rulers, Arafat was never able to actually take into account the best course of action for the PLO in regards to the Palestinian situation, or he risked a drying up of funds. In fact, the PLO did nothing but pander to the pan-Arab groups, who did not ever wish to see it deviate from military force and "driving the Jews into the sea".

Take out the "revolutionary movement" and darling label from the PLO, and you are left with basically just another Arab government. Ruling by the gun, disregarding its own people, and in fact working far harder in the interests of the elite and unachievable, impossible, quixotic goals.
 
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Damn you people are writing reports and essays over this.

Debate is good, but some of ya'll think you know the facts cause the media told you it was true. More specifically anyone that believes that "terrorist" bullshit.