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you don't know...

funk 3 five,
did you kno that most of the palenstines moved out on their own when the israelis moved in? did you also know that the palenstines had their war with the israelis and lost, but the israelis still gave the palenstines their own territories that they still have today? do you know of the palenstine struggle? it is to get rid of the jews from the middle east. that aint ever gonna happen. both sides arent going anywhere. if they want the best for their ppl theyre gonna have to make peace with one another first.
 
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WestRumble said:
funk 3 five,
did you kno that most of the palenstines moved out on their own when the israelis moved in? did you also know that the palenstines had their war with the israelis and lost, but the israelis still gave the palenstines their own territories that they still have today? do you know of the palenstine struggle? it is to get rid of the jews from the middle east. that aint ever gonna happen. both sides arent going anywhere. if they want the best for their ppl theyre gonna have to make peace with one another first.

wow lollll u seem like an idiot

how do israelis "give" palestinian territories that they have been living in for thousands of years?

rip arafat, if it werent for him than we wouldnt even know wtf a palestinian was

he dedicated over 50 yrs of his life to the cause
 
Mar 2, 2004
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A1Yola415 said:
wow lollll u seem like an idiot
fuck you moron!!!! :dead:

A1Yola415 said:
how do israelis "give" palestinian territories that they have been living in for thousands of years?
you want to go back in time. go back to the begining. it wuz all the israelis first and lastly they won the fukin war and the palenstines knew they couldnt defeat the israeli army so they starting resorting to terrorist attacks on women and children, thanks to your buddy arafat and they didnt just kill israelis but palenstinians 2 and bombed palenstinian owned cafe's in a rash of attacks. good going a1yola.

A1Yola415 said:
rip arafat, if it werent for him than we wouldnt even know wtf a palestinian was

he dedicated over 50 yrs of his life to the cause.
they couldve used anyone to get recognition of the palenstinian ppl. they didnt need a terrorist. that kept their ppl suffering more. like in soak game's pic hes probly burning in hell like hitler for their same cause to kill off innocent israelis.
 
Jun 17, 2004
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WestRumble said:
cuz they won the fukin war and the palenstine knew they couldnt defeat the israeli army so they starting resorting to terrorist attacks on women and children thanks to your buddy arafat and they didnt just kill israelis but palenstinians 2 and bombed palenstinian owned cafe's in a rash of attacks. good going a1yola.

they couldve used anyone to get recognition of the palenstinian ppl. they didnt need a terrorist. that kept their ppl suffering more. like in soak game's pic hes probly burning in hell like hitler for their same cause to kill off innocent israelis.
You are such a fucking moron, do some research before you post again on this topic. and actually read my post.
What war did Israel win? god damn stop making up shit. I don't why you continue to post this bullshit straight from WestRumble's own fantasy factory.
 
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FunK-3-FivE said:
You are such a fucking moron, do some research before you post again on this topic. and actually read my post.
What war did Israel win? god damn stop making up shit. I don't why you continue to post this bullshit straight from WestRumble's own fantasy factory.
1967 6 day war bitch. i aint making shit up so get the fuck off my back fag. you dont know what the fuck youre talking about. go back to school youngster maybe you'll learn something.
 
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WestRumble said:
1967 6 day war bitch. i aint making shit up so get the fuck off my back fag. you dont know what the fuck youre talking about. go back to school youngster maybe you'll learn something.
This was not a war with Palestine, it was with Egypt, educated fool :dead:
 
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isreali war won against the arab world

FunK-3-FivE said:
This was not a war with Palestine, it was with Egypt, educated fool :dead:
it was a war won against the arab world. that gives the right for the israelis to be in the middle east. palestinians are a collection of ppl from all over the arab world. they didnt have a leader, major cities, any borders, etc, etc. And they didnt call for their independence til the israelis got there. terrorism doesnt give the palestinians the right. they know they dont stand a chance against the israeli army, so they take it out on the innocent and you want to sit here and argue with me about this shit. how can you look for a right that the palestinians have to use terrorism on the innocent. theres no such right. without disrespectin me, how can you try and contest this?
 
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youre contradicting yourself playa

FunK-3-FivE said:
I don't think you realize that the Palestinian vs. Israeli conflict is VERY one-sided.
Had it not been for Arafat, the Israelis wouldn't have even considered negotiating with the Palestinians.
you haven't said one thing good about the israeli ppl and its been all poor ol' palestinian ppl on the other side.

FunK-3-FivE said:
Ya'll people are ignorant who don't know what the PLO is all about, or what Arafat struggled to do for his people
arafat's struggle for his ppl, main objective, was to take israeli out of the pic in a terrorist fashion. arafat could've had everything else he asked for @ camp david with clinton.
 
Jun 27, 2003
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since y'all keep bringin up camp david can anyone cite EXACTLY what the Israelis were willing to allocate to the Palistinians and what parts Arafat wanted included? please leave out "Israel in the bottom of the ocean" crap like that... actually cite what Israel was offering... I think it would give a lot more substance to your argument.. and if those in support of Arafat can cite what was NOT included in the Israeli proposed settlement that should have I think it would help your cause as well.. also, I'd like to know who was really screwing who over at Camp David.
 
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Jae iLL said:
since y'all keep bringin up camp david can anyone cite EXACTLY what the Israelis were willing to allocate to the Palistinians and what parts Arafat wanted included? please leave out "Israel in the bottom of the ocean" crap like that... actually cite what Israel was offering... I think it would give a lot more substance to your argument.. and if those in support of Arafat can cite what was NOT included in the Israeli proposed settlement that should have I think it would help your cause as well.. also, I'd like to know who was really screwing who over at Camp David.
i posted this in the other thread 2. this is what was offered to Arafat and his ppl at camp david but he turned down:

the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem (including Muslim holy sites) and 95 percent of the West Bank.
 
Dec 18, 2002
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Jae iLL said:
and for someone on the opposing end.. exactly why did Arafat conclude this wasn't good enough?

To remain a strong leader in the eyes of his country he had to take nothing less than ZERO jews in the middle east...His goal since day one was hatred towards the jews and everything he founded his country for would have been contradicted. Thats my idea anyways.
 
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WestRumble said:
it was a war won against the arab world. that gives the right for the israelis to be in the middle east. palestinians are a collection of ppl from all over the arab world. they didnt have a leader, major cities, any borders, etc, etc. And they didnt call for their independence til the israelis got there. terrorism doesnt give the palestinians the right. they know they dont stand a chance against the israeli army, so they take it out on the innocent and you want to sit here and argue with me about this shit. how can you look for a right that the palestinians have to use terrorism on the innocent. theres no such right. without disrespectin me, how can you try and contest this?
It was a war declared against Egypt. A point you ignored, the Israelis doubled their country's size in that war.
I'm not argueing that what the Palestinians do is right, I'm argueing that what the Israelis do is wrong, which you keep ignoring my points. How can you try and contest this?
 
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WestRumble said:
you haven't said one thing good about the israeli ppl and its been all poor ol' palestinian ppl on the other side.
What is good to say about the Israeli government? They've done nothing but violate Geneva codes and humanitarian law while dealing with the Palestinian people.

arafat's struggle for his ppl, main objective, was to take israeli out of the pic in a terrorist fashion. arafat could've had everything else he asked for @ camp david with clinton.
And Israel's main objective was to get rid of the Palestinians in a terrorist fashion, so that they could expand. If demolishing Palestinian homes with tanks and bulldozers (with residents sometimes still inside) to make way for illegal Israeli settlements isn't terrorism then I don't know what is.

In 2003, approx. 600 (some 100 were children) Palestinians were killed by Israeli security forces and 200 Israelis were killed (some 21 were children) by Palestinian terrorist groups.

Like I said this is a VERY one-sided conflict, and American media usually only shows the Israeli side.
 
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KrypticFlowz said:
To remain a strong leader in the eyes of his country he had to take nothing less than ZERO jews in the middle east...His goal since day one was hatred towards the jews and everything he founded his country for would have been contradicted. Thats my idea anyways.
thats exactly right. funk 3 five must be one of those guys that want the israelis to leave or die rather than live in peace side by side with the palestinians cuz Arafat either personally killed or ordered the killing of thousands of innocent ppl. One of his most documented orders was the kidnapping and execution of 11 jewish athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics. One of them was a U.S. citizen. Arafat is the man who developed the idea of suicide bombers. He gave the orders that has unleashed a flood of terrorists who indiscriminately kill men, women, and children. Arafat was a hate-filled money-thieving baby killer. funk 3 five you are missing my points of terrorists and terrorism laid upon the innocent by the hands of Arafat on BOTH of the lands of the PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS or you're supporting this terrorism....
 
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Who ever is trying to make the similie of Arafat to MLK is off their freggin' rocker. One lead a revolution by non-violent civil disobedience, the other encouraged violent terroist attacks upon civilians. A base difference in their fundamental values. The two have NOTHING in common...
 

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FOR THE "ANTI ARAFAT" PEOPLE I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE BALFOUR DECLARATION? IF YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF IT PLEASE SHARE IT BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF YOU ARE GOING OFF WHAT YOU LEARNED FROM CNN.

SOME OF THE "LEMMINGS" ON THIS SITE SHOULD LOOK INTO: THE TRUTH ABOUT CAMP DAVID. YOU CAN FIND THE BOOK ON THE NET (AMAZON).


@JAE ILL YOU CAN START WITH THAT BOOK (IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT CAMP DAVID). IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS OFFERED HIT THIS LINK:


http://electronicintifada.net/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/4/518


:HGK:
 

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http://www.nad-plo.org


hit this site for more info. It contains a lot of info for peopel who wish to learn.


Heres an excerpt:


Why did the Palestinians reject the Camp David Peace Proposal?




For a true and lasting peace between the Israeli and Palestinian peoples, there must be two viable and independent states living as equal neighbors. Israel's Camp David proposal, which was never set forth in writing, denied the Palestinian state viability and independence by dividing Palestinian territory into four separate cantons entirely surrounded, and therefore controlled, by Israel. The Camp David proposal also denied Palestinians control over their own borders, airspace and water resources while legitimizing and expanding illegal Israeli colonies in Palestinian territory. Israel's Camp David proposal presented a 're-packaging' of military occupation, not an end to military occupation.



Didn't Israel's proposal give the Palestinians almost all of the territories occupied by Israel in 1967?




No. Israel sought to annex almost 9% of the Occupied Palestinian Territories and in exchange offered from Israel's own territory only the equivalent of 1% of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. In addition, Israel sought control over an additional 10% of the Occupied Palestinian Territories in the form of a "long-term lease". However, the issue is not one of percentages - the issue is one of viability and independence. In a prison for example, 95% of the prison compound is ostensibly for the prisoners - cells, cafeterias, gym and medical facilities - but the remaining 5% is all that is needed for the prison guards to maintain control over the prisoner population. Similarly, the Camp David proposal, while admittedly making Palestinian prison cells larger, failed to end Israeli control over the Palestinian population.



Did the Palestinians accept the idea of a land swap?



The Palestinians were (and are) prepared to consider any idea that is consistent with a fair peace based on international law and equality of the Israeli and Palestinian peoples. The Palestinians did consider the idea of a land swap but proposed that such land swap must be based on a one-to-one ratio, with land of equal value and in areas adjacent to the border with Palestine and in the same vicinity as the lands to be annexed by Israel. However, Israel's Camp David proposal of a nine-to-one land swap (in Israel's favor) was viewed as so unfair as to seriously undermine belief in Israel's commitment to a fair territorial compromise.



How did Israel's proposal envision the territory of a Palestinian state?



Israel's proposal divided Palestine into four separate cantons surrounded by Israel: the Northern West Bank, the Central West Bank, the Southern West Bank and Gaza. Going from any one area to another would require crossing Israeli sovereign territory and consequently subject movement of Palestinians within their own country to Israeli control. Not only would such restrictions apply to the movement of people, but also to the movement of goods, in effect subjecting the Palestinian economy to Israeli control. Lastly, the Camp David proposal would have left Israel in control over all Palestinian borders thereby allowing Israel to control not only internal movement of people and goods but international movement as well. Such a Palestinian state would have had less sovereignty and viability than the Bantustans created by the South African apartheid government.



How did Israel's proposal address Palestinian East Jerusalem?



The Camp David Proposal required Palestinians to give up any claim to the occupied portion of Jerusalem. The proposal would have forced recognition of Israel's annexation of all of Arab East Jerusalem. Talks after Camp David suggested that Israel was prepared to allow Palestinians sovereignty over isolated Palestinian neighborhoods in the heart of East Jerusalem, however such neighborhoods would remain surrounded by illegal Israeli colonies and separated not only from each other but also from the rest of the Palestinian state. In effect, such a proposal would create Palestinian ghettos in the heart of Jerusalem.



Why didn't the Palestinians ever present a comprehensive permanent settlement proposal of their own in response to Barak's proposals?




The comprehensive settlement to the conflict is embodied in United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338, which were accepted by both sides at the Madrid Summit in 1991 and later in the Oslo Accords of 1993. The purpose of the negotiations is to implement these UN resolutions (which call for an Israeli withdrawal from land occupied by force by Israel in 1967) and reach agreement on final status issues. On a number of occasions since Camp David - especially at the Taba talks - the Palestinian negotiating team presented its concept for the resolution of the key permanent status issues. It is important to keep in mind, however, that Israel and the Palestinians are differently situated. Israel seeks broad concessions from the Palestinians: it wants to annex Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem; obtain rights to Palestinian water resources in the West Bank; maintain military locations on Palestinian soil; and deny the Palestinian refugees' their right of return. Israel has not offered a single concession involving its own territory and rights. The Palestinians, on the other hand, seek to establish a viable, sovereign State on their own territory, to provide for the withdrawal of Israeli military forces and colonies (which are universally recognized as illegal), and to secure the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes they were forced to flee in 1948. Although Palestinian negotiators have been willing to accommodate legitimate Israeli needs within that context, particularly with respect to security and refugees, it is up to Israel to define these needs and to suggest the narrowest possible means of addressing them.



Why did the peace process fall apart just as it was making real progress toward a permanent agreement?



Palestinians entered the peace process on the understanding that (1) it would deliver concrete improvements to their lives during the interim period, (2) that the interim period would be relatively short in duration - i.e., five years, and (3) that a permanent agreement would implement United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338. But the peace process delivered none of these things. Instead, Palestinians suffered more burdensome restrictions on their movement and a serious decline in their economic situation. Israeli colonies expanded at an unprecedented pace and the West Bank and Gaza Strip became more fragmented with the construction of settler "by-pass" roads and the proliferation of Israeli military checkpoints. Deadlines were repeatedly missed in the implementation of agreements. In sum, Palestinians simply did not experience any "progress" in terms of their daily lives.

However, what decisively undermined Palestinian support for the peace process was the way Israel presented its proposal. Prior to entering into the first negotiations on permanent status issues, Prime Minister Barak publicly and repeatedly threatened Palestinians that his "offer" would be Israel's best and final offer and if not accepted, Israel would seriously consider "unilateral separation" (a euphemism for imposing a settlement rather than negotiating one). Palestinians felt that they had been betrayed by Israel who had committed itself at the beginning of the Oslo process to ending its occupation of Palestinian lands in accordance with UN Resolutions 242 and 338.