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HERESY

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Doesn't the violence which erupted following Camp David prove that Palestinians do not really want to live in peace with Israel?



Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exist in 1988 and re-iterated this recognition on several occasions including Madrid in 1991 and the Oslo Accords in September, 1993. Nevertheless, Israel has yet to explicitly and formally recognize Palestine's right to exist. The Palestinian people waited patiently since the Madrid Conference in 1991 for their freedom and independence despite Israel's incessant policy of creating facts on the ground by building colonies in occupied territory (Israeli housing units in Occupied Palestinian Territory - not including East Jerusalem - increased by 52% since the signing of the Oslo Accords and the settler population, including those in East Jerusalem, more than doubled). The Palestinians do indeed wish to live at peace with Israel but peace with Israel must be a fair peace - not an unfair peace imposed by a stronger party over a weaker party.



Doesn't the failure of Camp David prove that the Palestinians are just not prepared to compromise?




The Palestinians have indeed compromised. In the Oslo Accords, the Palestinians recognized Israeli sovereignty over 78% of historic Palestine (23% more than Israel was granted pursuant to the 1947 UN partition plan) on the assumption that the Palestinians would be able to exercise sovereignty over the remaining 22%. The overwhelming majority of Palestinians accepted this compromise but this extremely generous compromise was ignored at Camp David and the Palestinians were asked to "compromise the compromise" and make further concessions in favor of Israel. Though the Palestinians can continue to make compromises, no people can be expected to compromise fundamental rights or the viability of their state.



Have the Palestinians abandoned the two-state solution and do they now insist on all of historic Palestine?



The current situation has undoubtedly hardened positions on both sides, with extremists in both Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories claiming all of historic Palestine. Nevertheless, there is no evidence that the PA or the majority of Palestinians have abandoned the two-state solution. The two-state solution however is most seriously threatened by the on-going construction of Israeli colonies and by-pass roads aimed at incorporating the Occupied Palestinian Territories into Israel. Without a halt to such construction, a two-state solution may simply be impossible to implement - already prompting a number of Palestinian academics and intellectuals to argue that Israel will never allow the Palestinians to have a viable state and Palestinians should instead focus their efforts on obtaining equal rights as Israeli citizens.



Isn't it unreasonable for the Palestinians to demand the unlimited right of return to Israel of all Palestinian refugees?



The refugees were never seriously discussed at Camp David because Prime Minister Barak declared that Israel bore no responsibility for the refugee problem or its solution. Obviously, there can be no comprehensive solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict without resolving one of its key components: the plight of the Palestinian refugees. There is a clearly recognized right under international law that non-combatants who flee during a conflict have the right to return after the conflict is over. But an Israeli recognition of the Palestinian right of return does not mean that all refugees will exercise that right. What is needed in addition to such recognition is the concept of choice. Many refugees may opt for (i) resettlement in third countries, (ii) resettlement in a newly independent Palestine (though they originate from that part of Palestine which became Israel) or (iii) normalization of their legal status in the host country where they currently reside. In addition, the right of return may be implemented in phases so as to address Israel's demographic concerns.



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yup, arafats fam is sittin fat and cozy at their home in france. just like saddam, arafat and his fam were rakin in the doe by the billions while his ppl didnt see that money and starved. samething saddam and his fam did to their ppl. we give them, the palenstines, a support of 20 million a year in taxpayers money.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
MAG: Arafat Skimmed $2 Million a Month From the Gas Trade
Sun Nov 14 2004 09:53:40 ET

New York -- Last year auditors discovered Arafat was guilty of skimming $2 million a month from the gasoline trade in the territories, TIME reports.

In August 2002 international donors forced Arafat to sign over his investments to the Palestine Investment Fund, which was audited by U.S. accountants and managed by Palestinian Finance Minister Salam Fayyad, a former International Monetary Fund official. After scouring corporations throughout the Arab world and bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and Luxembourg, the auditors identified $800 million, which has been made a part of the Palestinian Authority’s official budget. “It’s the most successful financial reform in the Arab world,” Jim Prince, president of the Los Angeles–based Democracy Council and head of the audit team, tells TIME.

People close to Fayyad’s investigation told TIME of Arafat’s skimming from the gas trade. Breaking the gasoline smuggling and corruption boosted the Palestinian Authority’s official treasury by $10 million a month and cut gas prices for ordinary Palestinians.

“Arafat’s death means his followers may never know just how much more they may be owed,” writes TIME’s Matt Rees in “Where’s Arafat’s Money?” In the mid-1990s, Arafat controlled a financial empire worth at least $3 billion. By the time of his death, he was down to his last $1 billion, according to Israeli-intelligence estimates.

Arafat wife Suha’s outburst that his successors were “trying to bury [him] alive” came after she learned that Arafat had signed over at least $800 million to the government of the Palestinian Authority two years ago, TIME reports. Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian prime minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.’s party coffers. But a senior P.L.O. official tells TIME, “they’ll pay her a pension, and that’s it.”

People familiar with Arafat’s finances say the Palestinian leader sent Suha $200,000 a month out of the Palestinian Authority’s budget for the Office of the President. French authorities are investigating transfers of $15 million from Swiss banks to Paris accounts in Suha’s name at the Arab Bank and at BNP Paribas Bank, a French bank, TIME reports.

Senior Palestinian security officials tell TIME that Arafat also shipped money to the gunmen of the Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.

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HERESY

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WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THAT 9 BILLION DOLLARS THAT COULDN'T BE ACCOUNTED FOR? YEAH THAT 9 BILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE IRAQIS? WHAT COMPANIES BENEFITTED FROM THAT LOOT?


I MADE POST'S/THREADS ABOUT IT.


LOOK IT UP.


@MCLEANHATCH WHAT IS YOUR POINT? LET'S SAY THE MAN DID SKIM 2 MILLION A MONTH. DOES IT ADD TO 9 BILLION? 9 BILLION IN AID THAT WAS TO GO TOWARDS THE IRAQIS?


YOU'RE A HALIBURTON HOE CAKE.....EAT ONE.....A DICK THAT IS......



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RIP SRM 1/8/03 said:
THEY WERE DIRECTED AT HERSEY

FUCK I DIDNT THINK IT WAS THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT
yeah i agree it was clear who you were speaking to. i think dood is confused on alot of things. hes also havin a hard time trying to figure out how to justify arafats terrorist and money-thieving actions rather than what would've been best for the palestinian ppl.
HERESY said:
LET'S SAY THE MAN DID SKIM 2 MILLION A MONTH.
an average palestinians income for one yr is $1,000.
 
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Solidous_Snake said:
You dumb fucks believe everything you see on the news. Alot of you are sorry as fuck and have knowledge of a cardboard box.
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lol @ believe everything on the news. that bullshit is getting old. personally i think the fuckin news talks too good of the guy. for example, the burial was on for hrs. i think thats some bullshit with all the baby killing that he did and stealing money from his ppl, etc, etc.....
 
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WestRumble said:
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lol @ believe everything on the news. that bullshit is getting old. personally i think the fuckin news talks too good of the guy. for example, the burial was on for hrs. i think thats some bullshit with all the baby killing that he did and stealing money from his ppl, etc, etc.....
Hmmm...baby killing, and stealing money from his people.....hmmmm....sounds a lot like another recently "elected" world leader....btw if "that bullshit is getting old" now you know how it feels to read one of your posts.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Oh yeah, he’s pro-life alright. He executed more people than any other governor. He’s killed hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, over 1,000 of our own troops. Yeah man, he’s fucking pro-life. :dead:
@ RIP ^^^ these are the babies I was refering to....get it?
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
Hmmm...baby killing, and stealing money from his people.....hmmmm....sounds a lot like another recently "elected" world leader....btw if "that bullshit is getting old" now you know how it feels to read one of your posts.

LMAO! Damn nigga. WestRumble...You just got Punkd!!
 

HERESY

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WestRumble said:
yeah i agree it was clear who you were speaking to. i think dood is confused on alot of things. hes also havin a hard time trying to figure out how to justify arafats terrorist and money-thieving actions rather than what would've been best for the palestinian ppl.
an average palestinians income for one yr is $1,000.

Actually it wasn't clear because the IDIOT started his sentence without addressing anyone. I'm not teh only person who didn't know who he was speaking to. I will address him after I deal with you. "dood" is not confused. You are confused. I don't see how I'm having a hard time dealing with arafats terrorist and money thieving actions. What would have been best for the palestinian people? Before you can suggest what would be in best interest of the people refer to the Balfour Declaration. Is it possible for you to elaborate on it? I ask you to do so because it's relevent to the people of israel and "palestine".


An average palestinians income for one year is $1,000? What is the average income for an israeli?

please post the info if you have it.
 

HERESY

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original stated by the IDIOT:


FIRST, IN THE VERY FIRST POST U SAID HE WAS A PEACE ADVOCATE, AND THROUGH ALL THESE POSTS ITS PROVEN THAT I WAS JUST IN LAUGHING AT YOU


The man WAS a peace advocate. If you were not blinded by american propaganda and associated press reportings you would have known that. I don't understand what you mean by "its proven that i was just in laughing at you". Are you saying laughter is justified because I made a statement you don't agree with? Please clarify because you don't make sense my friend.


SECOND YOU SAID HE WAS A SINCERE HUMAN BEING... HAVE YOU MET HIM?"


Do I have to meet a perseon to feel they are sincere? No I have not met the man but I wish I have met him. Have you met Bush? I think not yet you believe he's doing the correct job. So it's a matter of opinion. Some people who have met the man think he's a snake while others have met the man, weep and mourn for him. Once again I see no logic in your statement which brings me to the final point.



IT SAYS BY ISRAEL EXPANDING THEY ISOLATED THE TERRORISTS INTO CANTONS, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME


Can you elaborate on what land was offered to the palestinians or the Balfour Declaration? If not refrain from speaking on the subject.



AND TO COMPARE MLK TO ARAFAT......................................HAHA


This is another reason why I asked you who you were speaking to. I don't recall comparing the two however BOTH fought for their people and the rights to exist.
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
Hmmm...baby killing, and stealing money from his people.....hmmmm....sounds a lot like another recently "elected" world leader....btw if "that bullshit is getting old" now you know how it feels to read one of your posts.
2-0-Sixx said:
Oh yeah, he’s pro-life alright. He executed more people than any other governor. He’s killed hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, over 1,000 of our own troops. Yeah man, he’s fucking pro-life. :dead:
shit, if you both think so? you guys should be for him in those areas you mention cuz you're pro-arafat. And he's a president idiot not a governor. don't get it :confused:!!!!

Solidous_Snake said:
LMAO! Damn nigga. WestRumble...You just got Punkd!!
Look it your sig moron! you're just as :confused: as Heresy!!!!
 
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SO U REALLY THINK HE WAS A PEACE ADVOCATE? REALLY? HE NEVER CALLED FOR ONE ATTACK ON ISRAEL? HE TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS TO STOP FIGHTING?

YOU HAVE NEVER MET HIM, SO YOU HONESTLY DONT KNOW, YES I BELIEVE BUSH IS DOING THE CORRECT JOB, BUT I DONT HAVE TO MEET HIM TO SAY THAT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE I HAVE TO MEET BARRY BONDS TO SAY HES A GOOD BASEBALL PLAYER?

FINE I WILL STOP

GOOD FOR THEM BOTH, AND THEY WERE BOTH VERY SUCCESFUL