R.I.P ARAFAT
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r.i.p. another great revolutionary down.
Yasser Arafat should be highly respected for his courage, leadership and his unwavering committment to achieve the aspirations of the Palestinian people. For four decades Yasser Arafat struggled tiressly towards realizing a Palestinian homeland and ending the ongoing brutal Zionist military occupation.
Yasser Arafat should be highly respected for his courage, leadership and his unwavering committment to achieve the aspirations of the Palestinian people. For four decades Yasser Arafat struggled tiressly towards realizing a Palestinian homeland and ending the ongoing brutal Zionist military occupation.
The book and the prints that I wrote my last paper on the early PLO I can't find...however I will attempt to recover the copies asap. I believe my main source was At Issue, Politics in the World Arena, volume 4.
More specifically, the monopolization of steel in South Lebanon and the attack and killings of Christians was probably the largest, most egregious example of PLO tyranny there. The fact that their organization is named the Palestine Liberation Organization proves absolutely nothing, especially coming from someone telling us not to believe everything we hear.
The PLO throughout its life has not demonstrated any of the following:
1. Accountability
2. Accessibility to Palestinians
3. Willing to make real demands and concessions and abandon military action in the fight for Palestinian sovereignty
4. Diplomatic, multilateral action with any nation on a non-military basis for the sole purpose of "liberating Palestine"
The PLO has:
1. Killed
2. Raped
3. Tortured, Coerced, Stole, Terrorized, etc
There is no difference between the Mullahs and the PLO, Saddam Hussein and the PLO, Moammar Qaddafi and the PLO. All are confined, non-responsive, pseudo representative governments guilty of a whole host of human rights violations.
The PLO is and has been the "champion" of Arab states and the pan-Arabist movement, however many of its faults have been largely overlooked based on an overriding antagonism for the state of Israel. Arafat could have easily came back from Oslo or Camp David with a concession, or at least a small agreement on some part of the cessation process.
Arafat's junta was started with the clear, stated purpose of "driving the Jews back into the sea" and "the destruction of the state of Israel". You can quote any Arab newspaper on that, and if you accuse me of being a Jew-influenced clone on any of that, you are mentally unfit for these boards. As those goals became unachievable later on in the PLO's existence, Arafat was content to sit back while attacks continued, going to the bargaining table only as a song and dance. He did not want to be known as the man who got "screwed over" by Barak, Netanyahu, or any other head Israeli.
This man and his organization received 99% of their funding from non-Palestinian sources...in traditional Middle Eastern fashion, alliances, friends, and backscratching preempted the health and welfare of his people. Arafat was far more accountable to Qaddafi, Hussein, Abdullah, and others, than in any way to the average Palestinian suffering under Israeli occupation.
More specifically, the monopolization of steel in South Lebanon and the attack and killings of Christians was probably the largest, most egregious example of PLO tyranny there. The fact that their organization is named the Palestine Liberation Organization proves absolutely nothing, especially coming from someone telling us not to believe everything we hear.
The PLO throughout its life has not demonstrated any of the following:
1. Accountability
2. Accessibility to Palestinians
3. Willing to make real demands and concessions and abandon military action in the fight for Palestinian sovereignty
4. Diplomatic, multilateral action with any nation on a non-military basis for the sole purpose of "liberating Palestine"
The PLO has:
1. Killed
2. Raped
3. Tortured, Coerced, Stole, Terrorized, etc
There is no difference between the Mullahs and the PLO, Saddam Hussein and the PLO, Moammar Qaddafi and the PLO. All are confined, non-responsive, pseudo representative governments guilty of a whole host of human rights violations.
The PLO is and has been the "champion" of Arab states and the pan-Arabist movement, however many of its faults have been largely overlooked based on an overriding antagonism for the state of Israel. Arafat could have easily came back from Oslo or Camp David with a concession, or at least a small agreement on some part of the cessation process.
Arafat's junta was started with the clear, stated purpose of "driving the Jews back into the sea" and "the destruction of the state of Israel". You can quote any Arab newspaper on that, and if you accuse me of being a Jew-influenced clone on any of that, you are mentally unfit for these boards. As those goals became unachievable later on in the PLO's existence, Arafat was content to sit back while attacks continued, going to the bargaining table only as a song and dance. He did not want to be known as the man who got "screwed over" by Barak, Netanyahu, or any other head Israeli.
This man and his organization received 99% of their funding from non-Palestinian sources...in traditional Middle Eastern fashion, alliances, friends, and backscratching preempted the health and welfare of his people. Arafat was far more accountable to Qaddafi, Hussein, Abdullah, and others, than in any way to the average Palestinian suffering under Israeli occupation.
I'm sorry I don't have hardcover copies of Arabic newspapers, or an OCD scanner so I show you an entire book. Your mind was made up on the entire situation before this discussion even began. There are a few sources listed in my "not credible" snippet, however you already know it all, so I see no point in you reading it anyways. You're kind of like a reverse DaytonFamily with a slightly larger vocabulary.
Do your own research on the PLO in South Lebanon...actually, how about you do some kind of research on the PLO itself, instead of being some cool anti-establishment "US press says Arafat is bad, so he must be cool" nobody. While youre at it sport a marilyn Manson T shirt and carve 666 into your arm, that would be some rebel ass shit. Research what happened to the steel industry in Lebanon from 1970-1982.
I left three books in a taxi on the way home for the holidays so for now I'm left to sifting through the internet for bullshit, trying to prove shit to some stubborn ass newcomer nobody who can wield no facts or sources other than the All-Destroying Argument that "THEYRE NAMED THE PALESTINE LIBERATION ORGANIZATION DOG". Im through and you're stupid. Peace.
Do your own research on the PLO in South Lebanon...actually, how about you do some kind of research on the PLO itself, instead of being some cool anti-establishment "US press says Arafat is bad, so he must be cool" nobody. While youre at it sport a marilyn Manson T shirt and carve 666 into your arm, that would be some rebel ass shit. Research what happened to the steel industry in Lebanon from 1970-1982.
I left three books in a taxi on the way home for the holidays so for now I'm left to sifting through the internet for bullshit, trying to prove shit to some stubborn ass newcomer nobody who can wield no facts or sources other than the All-Destroying Argument that "THEYRE NAMED THE PALESTINE LIBERATION ORGANIZATION DOG". Im through and you're stupid. Peace.
When you refer to you're main source as "some college site" then obviously you don't have solid information.
I didn't like Arafat to much considering he was limited and didn't take a stand from the oppressive force of the Israel army constantly denying much of what he wanted to accomplish such as making Palestine into a state. So don't bother with any statements claiming I supported him.
I'm open minded and will honestly tell you when you have valid points and arguments, but obviously you just have hatred in you're words towards people you do not understand. You're main source of news is mainstream media. Am I wrong?? I don't watch one minute of local or mainstream news because they will be biased one way or another. They will tell their audience whatever they want to hear.
BBC news and the Arab news channels will show you what you weren't intended to see. You probably already know these news stations don't advertise towards Americans so they have nothing to gain by make believing the real facts. They have nothing to gain by lying because these channels are not based in America.
These books you refer to, what point were you trying to make saying you left them in a taxi??
Showing me a book will no impress me. and saying " Im through and you're stupid. Peace" is immature.
I didn't like Arafat to much considering he was limited and didn't take a stand from the oppressive force of the Israel army constantly denying much of what he wanted to accomplish such as making Palestine into a state. So don't bother with any statements claiming I supported him.
I'm open minded and will honestly tell you when you have valid points and arguments, but obviously you just have hatred in you're words towards people you do not understand. You're main source of news is mainstream media. Am I wrong?? I don't watch one minute of local or mainstream news because they will be biased one way or another. They will tell their audience whatever they want to hear.
BBC news and the Arab news channels will show you what you weren't intended to see. You probably already know these news stations don't advertise towards Americans so they have nothing to gain by make believing the real facts. They have nothing to gain by lying because these channels are not based in America.
These books you refer to, what point were you trying to make saying you left them in a taxi??
Showing me a book will no impress me. and saying " Im through and you're stupid. Peace" is immature.
It's "your", and actually that isn't my main source at all. The book I was mentioning was At Issue: Politics in the World Arena, 4th edition. I also just finished a few other books dealing with Middle Eastern geopolitics and the Israel-Palestine situation, including some works by Lewis and Khalidi. I don't know if some of the best Middle Eastern experts in the world, including not a few Palestinian journalists, are valid sources, but in fact I'd say they are. Challenge anyone as to Bernard Lewis' validation as the premier Middle Eastern scholar in the west...I doubt you'll win.
Reiterating the fact that the PLO is the PALESTINE LIBERATION ORGANIZATION, and that this man is the protector of his own people, is support.
Research the Lebanese steel monopoly, who held it, and how that control was kept.
There are simple truths in the mainstream media:
I don't get anything from the "mainstream media" other than entertainment. In fact if you think in any way I am proponent of fucking Fox News and CNN...lmao...you're just proving yourself an uneducated newcomer, which is basically what you are.
I admit that the BBC News is a great source of information. Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiyah are the equivalent of the Fox News Channel over here. Some of the lies and distortions they tell about America are tantamount to the lies and distortions you hear about the Arabs from the American Media. In fact, many Middle Eastern scholars have even agreed that "some of the reporting on America from Arab news stations approaches science fiction, with mosques electronically targeted and attacked by US Gvt. smart bombs, and zionism playing a role in everything from candy and ice cream sales to dating shows." And these aren't fucking your mortal enemy Jewie Jews, these are Arabs living in Arab countries. In fact, many of the more high-minded Arab scholars hate the media they have in their own countries, media that is often loyal to a fault.
I actually did leave all three of the great books I was reading in a taxi, which means I'm left to sort through the internet, a sometimes crappy source of information. I don't know, maybe I can take a google class next semester. Your blind insistence that "Arab media channels show you the truth" is a hilarious falsehood. Arab media channels even hide behnd "freedom of speech" when confronted about the fact that they do not give even-footed coverage to any conflict. "Hey, your reporting is biased an inaccurate" "Well, we have freedom of speech!"
I doubt you've done any serious academic work on the Middle East, or the PLO.
You rely on a simplistic base assumption formula relied on by others on this board.
"If Mainstream media says X, than -X in every case." In fact, life and the truth is not a math equation, and the story you hear from both the mainstream media and alternative media is often simplified, brief falsehoods of omission or alteration.
Reiterating the fact that the PLO is the PALESTINE LIBERATION ORGANIZATION, and that this man is the protector of his own people, is support.
Research the Lebanese steel monopoly, who held it, and how that control was kept.
There are simple truths in the mainstream media:
- Arafat is a terrorist
- We are freeing Iraq
- Immigrants are all bad
- Arafat is a good man
- We are putting Iraq into a future of control and domination
- Immigrants are all good
I don't get anything from the "mainstream media" other than entertainment. In fact if you think in any way I am proponent of fucking Fox News and CNN...lmao...you're just proving yourself an uneducated newcomer, which is basically what you are.
I admit that the BBC News is a great source of information. Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiyah are the equivalent of the Fox News Channel over here. Some of the lies and distortions they tell about America are tantamount to the lies and distortions you hear about the Arabs from the American Media. In fact, many Middle Eastern scholars have even agreed that "some of the reporting on America from Arab news stations approaches science fiction, with mosques electronically targeted and attacked by US Gvt. smart bombs, and zionism playing a role in everything from candy and ice cream sales to dating shows." And these aren't fucking your mortal enemy Jewie Jews, these are Arabs living in Arab countries. In fact, many of the more high-minded Arab scholars hate the media they have in their own countries, media that is often loyal to a fault.
I actually did leave all three of the great books I was reading in a taxi, which means I'm left to sort through the internet, a sometimes crappy source of information. I don't know, maybe I can take a google class next semester. Your blind insistence that "Arab media channels show you the truth" is a hilarious falsehood. Arab media channels even hide behnd "freedom of speech" when confronted about the fact that they do not give even-footed coverage to any conflict. "Hey, your reporting is biased an inaccurate" "Well, we have freedom of speech!"
I doubt you've done any serious academic work on the Middle East, or the PLO.
You rely on a simplistic base assumption formula relied on by others on this board.
"If Mainstream media says X, than -X in every case." In fact, life and the truth is not a math equation, and the story you hear from both the mainstream media and alternative media is often simplified, brief falsehoods of omission or alteration.
Considering you spent a serious amount of time on your reply to my statements concludes you have nothing better to do.
You even went to the point of cutting down my quotes and adding bulletin points like this is a fuckin report. I apparently have less time to waste in front of a computer. That’s sorry as fuck.
You even went to the point of cutting down my quotes and adding bulletin points like this is a fuckin report. I apparently have less time to waste in front of a computer. That’s sorry as fuck.
Yea, and I can write a 20 page report on the importance of cardboard boxes in 9 minutes.
"Obviously you are one who cannot handle, and does not often deal with, words and reading"
How retarded do you sound?? You constantly change the subject on things that are irrelevant. How can someone not handle being able to read?? What does that have to do with this thread topic??? I'm reading your ignorant posts aren’t I???
Stop wasting my time with childish games.
You did not address any of my points at face. You did not even address any of my base arguments. This sort of "B + C = E" debating holds no substance.
You did not deal with anything I said, other than to say:
"You have hatred you learned from the mainstream media. Open your eyes"
"You are a buster who spends all your time writing long ass bullshit on some online shit"
Childish perhaps? How, on a debate board, do you respond to this?
"Hell Nah man that aint true I read Guerilla Underground three times daily"
"Me a nerd hell nah I be posted on the block 9 times outta 10 you just caught me the one time on this online shit"
I guess that was the "debate" on Arafat you wanted.
You did not deal with anything I said, other than to say:
"You have hatred you learned from the mainstream media. Open your eyes"
"You are a buster who spends all your time writing long ass bullshit on some online shit"
Childish perhaps? How, on a debate board, do you respond to this?
"Hell Nah man that aint true I read Guerilla Underground three times daily"
"Me a nerd hell nah I be posted on the block 9 times outta 10 you just caught me the one time on this online shit"
I guess that was the "debate" on Arafat you wanted.
Now you're just adding words. The whole way through this argument, not once did you admit to any Israel Army wrong-doings. You're in denial and don't make for a good debate.
BOTTOM LINE: there is more proof and evidence of Palestinian deaths and suffering then there is of Israelis. If you even remotely question that statement then you’re avoiding the truth.
BOTTOM LINE: there is more proof and evidence of Palestinian deaths and suffering then there is of Israelis. If you even remotely question that statement then you’re avoiding the truth.